I had a strong feeling Hammond would be the next chancellor after Osborne. I have the same feeling about Javid becoming the next Tory leader and probably PM.
IMO any candidate in the last 2 that actively campaigned for leave would beat him with the members vote. The real question that I admit I can not answer is who does JRM thenk should be the next PM. With 120 odd ERG votes that candidate will make the last 2 and JRM will let the members know they have his support. I am also thinking of putting money on JRM as next CoE.
Nah He clearly believes in Brexit now, plus he is constantly pushing newsworthy items. The cannabis for that poor kid looks the mark of a potential leader to me
I wonder if Labour will go with legalizing cannabis (in some form) at the next GE?
Stealing a LD policy? For shame if they do.
Being serious, I'd think there's a decent chance if indeed it is true that young people would overwhelmingly back it (I'd assume so, but don't know the numbers), therefore it is a no brainer to be high profile as a sweetener offer to them.
I had a strong feeling Hammond would be the next chancellor after Osborne. I have the same feeling about Javid becoming the next Tory leader and probably PM.
IMO any candidate in the last 2 that actively campaigned for leave would beat him with the members vote. The real question that I admit I can not answer is who does JRM thenk should be the next PM. With 120 odd ERG votes that candidate will make the last 2 and JRM will let the members know they have his support. I am also thinking of putting money on JRM as next CoE.
What? 120 MPs will just vote for a new leader as JRM tells them to? I thought there were only 60-70 in the ERG and even they surely don't just do what JRM tells them.
80 members, but if promoted to Govt then they have to stop being members. The estimate of backbench MP's plus those in Govt is 125.
I had a strong feeling Hammond would be the next chancellor after Osborne. I have the same feeling about Javid becoming the next Tory leader and probably PM.
IMO any candidate in the last 2 that actively campaigned for leave would beat him with the members vote. The real question that I admit I can not answer is who does JRM thenk should be the next PM. With 120 odd ERG votes that candidate will make the last 2 and JRM will let the members know they have his support. I am also thinking of putting money on JRM as next CoE.
Nah He clearly believes in Brexit now, plus he is constantly pushing newsworthy items. The cannabis for that poor kid looks the mark of a potential leader to me
I wonder if Labour will go with legalizing cannabis (in some form) at the next GE?
Stealing a LD policy? For shame if they do.
Being serious, I'd think there's a decent chance if indeed it is true that young people would overwhelmingly back it (I'd assume so, but don't know the numbers), therefore it is a no brainer to be high profile as a sweetener offer to them.
Cannabis will be legalised/decriminalised within a decade. Like gay marriage its an idea whose time has come.
I had a strong feeling Hammond would be the next chancellor after Osborne. I have the same feeling about Javid becoming the next Tory leader and probably PM.
IMO any candidate in the last 2 that actively campaigned for leave would beat him with the members vote. The real question that I admit I can not answer is who does JRM thenk should be the next PM. With 120 odd ERG votes that candidate will make the last 2 and JRM will let the members know they have his support. I am also thinking of putting money on JRM as next CoE.
Nah He clearly believes in Brexit now, plus he is constantly pushing newsworthy items. The cannabis for that poor kid looks the mark of a potential leader to me
I wonder if Labour will go with legalizing cannabis (in some form) at the next GE?
Stealing a LD policy? For shame if they do.
Being serious, I'd think there's a decent chance if indeed it is true that young people would overwhelmingly back it (I'd assume so, but don't know the numbers), therefore it is a no brainer to be high profile as a sweetener offer to them.
Not to give them ideas, but the way I would do is propose to follow the US / Canada "only for medical use" approach that was initially used, and that gives some cover against parents who worry that their kids will be on the legal weed.
Why bother dealing with reality when you can insert your own straw man and say the mainstream media said it.
That raises an interesting point - have the 'mainstream media', if we are to use that stupid and odious phrase, beloved by whingers of the left and right, commented on LabourLive at all? Certainly Guido has had some fun with it, and so I figure some more traditional outlets have picked up the story, but sometimes I don't know whether those who rail at the msm so much actually dislike it or just yearn for its attention.
The EU simply has more pressing problems right now than sorting out its long term relationship with Britain.
Well indeed, same during Cameron's renegotiation. That's why we're leaving, they've not prioritised dealing with out interests in about 30 years.
The usual unhinged nonsense from Leavers. Britain had far more influence and was far more interesting to the EU when it was a long term member. Now it’s just a neighbour to be handled from time to time.
Are you seriously trying to tell me they don't need us more than we need them? Who'd have thought, eh?...
Shocking moment taxi suddenly pulls out of traffic, mounts pavement and ploughs into ‘World Cup fans’ injuring eight in busy Moscow street - before driver flees vehicle but gets pinned by furious onlookers
Why bother dealing with reality when you can insert your own straw man and say the mainstream media said it.
That raises an interesting point - have the 'mainstream media', if we are to use that stupid and odious phrase, beloved by whingers of the left and right, commented on LabourLive at all? Certainly Guido has had some fun with it, and so I figure some more traditional outlets have picked up the story, but sometimes I don't know whether those who rail at the msm so much actually dislike it or just yearn for its attention.
Well the Mail article is pretty fair. It shows the pictures of a decent crowd when the Supreme leader is speaking, but also explains lots of freebie tickets, expensive merch and a slow start.
Dr Liar lying about lies that the MSM aren't telling.
Why bother dealing with reality when you can insert your own straw man and say the mainstream media said it.
That raises an interesting point - have the 'mainstream media', if we are to use that stupid and odious phrase, beloved by whingers of the left and right, commented on LabourLive at all? Certainly Guido has had some fun with it, and so I figure some more traditional outlets have picked up the story, but sometimes I don't know whether those who rail at the msm so much actually dislike it or just yearn for its attention.
Interesting moves from Sinn F, their social liberalisation could attract some alliance and SDLP votes
Also some "liberal" votes from what was called the Unionist side. Our salesperson in NI is a Protestant from Derry and he has applied for and received an Ireland passport.
In fact, when he first referred to "Derry", I assumed he was a Catholic but I was wrong! The young there, like everywhere else, are different.
If Trump supported nationalisation, Palestine and a few other things I have no doubt he would be very popular with the more fervent Corbynites, as he is among some of the more ReesMoggian.
Coming from Dr Bullshit...the man who has had to apologize more times than I have had hot dinners for lying.
That crowd looks like a good turn out...compared to my local village fete. We will probably get a few more though.
U think its a Fake photo?
Oh how we laughed.
God you are totally beyond help aren't you. I said nothing of the sort, in fact I stated that the crowd was more than some low guesses (down thread), probably in the region of 4-5k.
Why bother dealing with reality when you can insert your own straw man and say the mainstream media said it.
That raises an interesting point - have the 'mainstream media', if we are to use that stupid and odious phrase, beloved by whingers of the left and right, commented on LabourLive at all? Certainly Guido has had some fun with it, and so I figure some more traditional outlets have picked up the story, but sometimes I don't know whether those who rail at the msm so much actually dislike it or just yearn for its attention.
London overwhelmingly voted Remain. We are in general smart, sophisticated, liberal and not one of the below: - xenophobic - thick - Little Englander
I think you are mistaken. Those are PB Tory membership criteria.
Even I voted Leave and I've got a PhD
You were clearly intelligent once, When did it go wrong ?
It's called the Tory virus - if you contract it you can be saved if you get it out of your system, but don't get treatment and it embeds itself deep into your system and eats away at the central nervous system. First it erodes the parts of the brain to do with morality, then reason, until all that is left is a husk saying 'strong and stable' and with an unconscious aversion to socialism.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
I'm dismayed at the UK increasingly developing into two halves, broadly N and S of the Severn-Wash line.
North: little public investment, not getting much richer South: getting richer, lots of public investment and, following on, private investment. N.B. The line's very tilted in the far west. Dorset's just about in the South but Cornwall's the North ... very poor.
Government investment used to be concentrated in poor regions. The 2018 policy puts most public money into London-Surrey-Berks-Oxon-Bucks (aka Remainia), where the growth already is. Elsewhere stagnates or grows only slowly. Typical of the new pro-south bias, Cross Rail goes from Berkshire to East London.
Crossrail was a decision taken in 2008. It goes from Reading to Shenfield/Abbey Wood.
But, yes, I take the point: Government policy does need to find a way to develop the North.
Indeed. Clearly plenty of people did show up, and it achieved it's aim - there were enough people to make for some good photos, and they can talk about how he is a man of the people or whatever.Maybe they didn't sell as many as they hoped, and had to slash prices in the end, so what if someone snarks about it?
The EU simply has more pressing problems right now than sorting out its long term relationship with Britain.
Well indeed, same during Cameron's renegotiation. That's why we're leaving, they've not prioritised dealing with out interests in about 30 years.
The usual unhinged nonsense from Leavers. Britain had far more influence and was far more interesting to the EU when it was a long term member. Now it’s just a neighbour to be handled from time to time.
I think it's fair to say the EU failed to understand, still less address, the delta in its assessment of what a good deal was, and that of the British public.
Whatever influence the UK may have had within the EU, which was mainly on liberalisation of markets, and encouraging the EU to pursue free trade deals, it wasn't enough to be perceived by the average British voter as worth the creeping federalisation and sidelining of the UK from the political direction driven by the core eurozone members.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
Government investment used to be concentrated in poor regions. The 2018 policy puts most public money into London-Surrey-Berks-Oxon-Bucks (aka Remainia), where the growth already is. Elsewhere stagnates or grows only slowly. Typical of the new pro-south bias, Cross Rail goes from Berkshire to East London.
The characterisation of the Home Counties as Remainia is wide of the mark. Without Brexit voters in those areas Remain would have won.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
The problem with that theory is that the UK's exports of goods are higher than its exports of services and that's without taking into account the UK manufacturing which is for the UK market.
And the UK is already a country which runs a long term and large scale trade deficit and an even longer term and larger current account deficit.
To put some figures to that in 2017 UK exports of goods excluding oil were over £300bn while the UK trade deficit was less than £30bn.
Now as manufacturing is about 10% of the UK economy you could make an estimate of what effect losing most of it would have to the UK's ability to pay its way in the world.
That's why I said very long-term. And I don't think manufacturing would entirely disappear either. I just think it could shrink to just 2-3% of our economy over 40-50 years.
Meanwhile, I'd expect our services export to blossom and boom over that period.
More than that. But nowhere near 70% capacity or whatever Nick is trying to spin,
Well, I'm not there, so what do I know? But the Guardian report has it at 13K sold and 20K capacity. I gather the site is more than the field and a lot of people there are more interested in perusing books etc rather than listening to the music.
Sky News said that many of those 13,000 sold were bought en masse by the Unite Union to boost sales. The reporter estimates there are around 5,000 at the event. So less than half of those tickets sold and a quarter of the venue capacity.
Sounds a bit meh then - they overestimated the heights they could reach (something which they could advertise as being 'sold out' would probably make for a good story) but it's a good many thousands, hardly a disaster from a PR point I'd have thought.
Compared to the love-fest of Glastonbury just 12 months ago, it does look a bit shit though? Quite a comedown. We got more at the Dart Music Festival. And going to Dartmouth requires travelling to Fin del Mundo.....
It wouldn't have taken long for Labour's media organisers to notice the photos being plastered around twitter earlier this afternoon, and corral everyone who was there via microphones and loudhailers to all herd in close together for the "Jezza shots", or pre-Jezza shots in that case.
It wouldn't have taken long for Labour's media organisers to notice the photos being plastered around twitter earlier this afternoon, and corral everyone who was there via microphones and loudhailers to all herd in close together for the "Jezza shots", or pre-Jezza shots in that case.
It wouldn't have taken long for Labour's media organisers to notice the photos being plastered around twitter earlier this afternoon, and corral everyone who was there via microphones and loudhailers to all herd in close together for the "Jezza shots", or pre-Jezza shots in that case.
They'd have had a willing audience. .
I can imagine it would be difficult to get people who went to a Labour event to go and listen to Corbyn speak, sneaky left wing tricks.
We should have been more honest and just stuck with the misleading pictures the right wingers were concentrating on....
It wouldn't have taken long for Labour's media organisers to notice the photos being plastered around twitter earlier this afternoon, and corral everyone who was there via microphones and loudhailers to all herd in close together for the "Jezza shots", or pre-Jezza shots in that case.
They'd have had a willing audience. .
I can imagine it would be difficult to get people who went to a Labour event to go and listen to Corbyn speak, sneaky left wing tricks.
We should have been more honest and just stuck with the misleading pictures the right wingers were concentrating on....
It wouldn't have taken long for Labour's media organisers to notice the photos being plastered around twitter earlier this afternoon, and corral everyone who was there via microphones and loudhailers to all herd in close together for the "Jezza shots", or pre-Jezza shots in that case.
They'd have had a willing audience. .
I can imagine it would be difficult to get people who went to a Labour event to go and listen to Corbyn speak, sneaky left wing tricks.
We should have been more honest and just stuck with the misleading pictures the right wingers were concentrating on....
Were you there?
Not sure what that has to do with either point.
People going to a Labour event like this will want to go and listen to Corbyn. The pictures earlier (the ones shown here) mostly showed the place pretty deserted, which unless the later pictures are photoshopped or from a different event is misleading.
London overwhelmingly voted Remain. We are in general smart, sophisticated, liberal and not one of the below: - xenophobic - thick - Little Englander
I think you are mistaken. Those are PB Tory membership criteria.
Even I voted Leave and I've got a PhD
You were clearly intelligent once, When did it go wrong ?
Far too many Remainers still haven't got past: you voted Leave, you must be an idiot and, if you're not a natural idiot, you must be deluded.
It would be far healthier for your cause if you asked yourself the difficult questions of why so many see the EU so differently to how you do.
Well it was pretty clear in my family. My children were pro EU and came out with plenty of solid reasons why they thought it was a good thing to be part of. My retired parents were going to vote leave. They read the Daily Express. When they heard the arguments from their grandchildren they changed their minds. Their leave votes were the result of bias in the media. Or would have been. They might be unique of course, but they are pretty normal.
London overwhelmingly voted Remain. We are in general smart, sophisticated, liberal and not one of the below: - xenophobic - thick - Little Englander
I think you are mistaken. Those are PB Tory membership criteria.
Even I voted Leave and I've got a PhD
You were clearly intelligent once, When did it go wrong ?
Far too many Remainers still haven't got past: you voted Leave, you must be an idiot and, if you're not a natural idiot, you must be deluded.
It would be far healthier for your cause if you asked yourself the difficult questions of why so many see the EU so differently to how you do.
Well it was pretty clear in my family. My children were pro EU and came out with plenty of solid reasons why they thought it was a good thing to be part of. My retired parents were going to vote leave. They read the Daily Express. When they heard the arguments from their grandchildren they changed their minds. Their leave votes were the result of bias in the media. Or would have been. They might be unique of course, but they are pretty normal.
Well, it was pretty clear in my family: I convinced my 20-year old nephew to vote Leave, as well as my wife (early 30s) and several friends (also all early 30s). They felt I came out with solid reasons why it was necessary to leave.
I had no need to convince my sister, in CTU, who was solidly for Leave from Day One. And, for the record, none of us ready the Daily Mail or the Express.
You can extrapolate to pander to a cliche far too easily, which will then strengthen your confirmation bias and cloud your judgement.
It wouldn't have taken long for Labour's media organisers to notice the photos being plastered around twitter earlier this afternoon, and corral everyone who was there via microphones and loudhailers to all herd in close together for the "Jezza shots", or pre-Jezza shots in that case.
They'd have had a willing audience. .
I can imagine it would be difficult to get people who went to a Labour event to go and listen to Corbyn speak, sneaky left wing tricks.
We should have been more honest and just stuck with the misleading pictures the right wingers were concentrating on....
Were you there?
Not sure what that has to do with either point.
People going to a Labour event like this will want to go and listen to Corbyn. The pictures earlier (the ones shown here) mostly showed the place pretty deserted, which unless the later pictures are photoshopped or from a different event is misleading.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
I'm dismayed at the UK increasingly developing into two halves, broadly N and S of the Severn-Wash line.
North: little public investment, not getting much richer South: getting richer, lots of public investment and, following on, private investment. N.B. The line's very tilted in the far west. Dorset's just about in the South but Cornwall's the North ... very poor.
Government investment used to be concentrated in poor regions. The 2018 policy puts most public money into London-Surrey-Berks-Oxon-Bucks (aka Remainia), where the growth already is. Elsewhere stagnates or grows only slowly. Typical of the new pro-south bias, Cross Rail goes from Berkshire to East London.
No, Remainia is Scotland plus the Nationalist bits of NI
London overwhelmingly voted Remain. We are in general smart, sophisticated, liberal and not one of the below: - xenophobic - thick - Little Englander
40% of Londoners voted Leave, 45% in Outer London.
I didn’t know until now Clean Bandit were at Labour Live today. Fair play to Corbyn’s team on that one. From some of the other pics on twitter, looks like it wasn’t a disaster in terms of attendance, but obviously not Glastonbury level either. Still most politically themed events won’t compete with that. Next time, they’ll know that.
I didn’t know until now Clean Bandit were at Labour Live today. Fair play to Corbyn’s team on that one. From some of the other pics on twitter, looks like it wasn’t a disaster in terms of attendance, but obviously not Glastonbury level either. Still most politically themed events won’t compete with that. Next time, they’ll know that.
It was because they were a very last minute addition. I think somebody eventually told the organizers that da kidz aren't really into the Magic Numbers these days (in fact I don't think anybody is, given they haven't had a hit for 10 years).
I didn’t know until now Clean Bandit were at Labour Live today. Fair play to Corbyn’s team on that one. From some of the other pics on twitter, looks like it wasn’t a disaster in terms of attendance, but obviously not Glastonbury level either. Still most politically themed events won’t compete with that. Next time, they’ll know that.
It was because they were a very last minute addition. I think somebody eventually told the organizers that da kidz aren't really into the Magic Numbers these days (in fact I don't think anybody is, given they haven't had a hit for 10 years).
I hadn’t heard of the Magic Numbers until I read that they were performing at Labour Live tbh. Corbyn could have gotten more well known acts to perform if his team had organised it a bit better, Clean Bandit’s the only relevant one as far as I can see. Still, better one than none.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
The problem with that theory is that the UK's exports of goods are higher than its exports of services and that's without taking into account the UK manufacturing which is for the UK market.
And the UK is already a country which runs a long term and large scale trade deficit and an even longer term and larger current account deficit.
To put some figures to that in 2017 UK exports of goods excluding oil were over £300bn while the UK trade deficit was less than £30bn.
Now as manufacturing is about 10% of the UK economy you could make an estimate of what effect losing most of it would have to the UK's ability to pay its way in the world.
That's why I said very long-term. And I don't think manufacturing would entirely disappear either. I just think it could shrink to just 2-3% of our economy over 40-50 years.
Meanwhile, I'd expect our services export to blossom and boom over that period.
Possibly but possibly not and the very long term is a very uncertain place.
We had enough of the 'manufacturing isn't necessary' attitude in the Blair and Brown years and it didn't do the country any good. So we don't need it resurrecting in any form.
Our liberal-left leaders are so compassionate that they even refuse to send convicted terrorist enemies back to their OWN countries out of fear that they may be badly treated.
Those same leaders have now consciously put Tommy Robinson in great danger by moving him to a wing of Onley prison dominated by Muslim prisoners. And not only does he face the threat of brutal attack, he also has to bear the constant mental torture of being surrounded by his would be murderers howling for his blood day and night.
Ask yourself, could you take the pressure Tommy Robinson is now under?
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Being serious, I'd think there's a decent chance if indeed it is true that young people would overwhelmingly back it (I'd assume so, but don't know the numbers), therefore it is a no brainer to be high profile as a sweetener offer to them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5851807/Seven-injured-taxi-ploughs-World-Cup-fans-Moscow.html
Dr Liar lying about lies that the MSM aren't telling.
Oh how we laughed.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6548687/jeremy-corbyn-labour-live-festival-flop/
In fact, when he first referred to "Derry", I assumed he was a Catholic but I was wrong! The young there, like everywhere else, are different.
But Jezfest is hardly this,
Why not invite Tezza to your "particular town" Should boost numbers
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/04/theresa-may-s-stage-managed-election-campaign-keeps-public-bay
- xenophobic
- thick
- Little Englander
Well that's bound to win them over if there's ever a second referendum!
Jones is a notoriously terrible man manager. Once he's gone the stories you'll hear will amaze you.
But, yes, I take the point: Government policy does need to find a way to develop the North.
Whatever influence the UK may have had within the EU, which was mainly on liberalisation of markets, and encouraging the EU to pursue free trade deals, it wasn't enough to be perceived by the average British voter as worth the creeping federalisation and sidelining of the UK from the political direction driven by the core eurozone members.
Meanwhile, I'd expect our services export to blossom and boom over that period.
They'd have had a willing audience. .
It would be far healthier for your cause if you asked yourself the difficult questions of why so many see the EU so differently to how you do.
We should have been more honest and just stuck with the misleading pictures the right wingers were concentrating on....
People going to a Labour event like this will want to go and listen to Corbyn. The pictures earlier (the ones shown here) mostly showed the place pretty deserted, which unless the later pictures are photoshopped or from a different event is misleading.
I had no need to convince my sister, in CTU, who was solidly for Leave from Day One. And, for the record, none of us ready the Daily Mail or the Express.
You can extrapolate to pander to a cliche far too easily, which will then strengthen your confirmation bias and cloud your judgement.
We had enough of the 'manufacturing isn't necessary' attitude in the Blair and Brown years and it didn't do the country any good. So we don't need it resurrecting in any form.
Those same leaders have now consciously put Tommy Robinson in great danger by moving him to a wing of Onley prison dominated by Muslim prisoners. And not only does he face the threat of brutal attack, he also has to bear the constant mental torture of being surrounded by his would be murderers howling for his blood day and night.
Ask yourself, could you take the pressure Tommy Robinson is now under?
No decent person would wish that on anybody.
Our leaders are not decent.
Pretty simple to answer!
Rest of that piece is here: https://bit.ly/2JZzi9E