WRT Labor Live, do we know how many people have turned up?
As I understand it, about 3,000 tickets were sold at full price. from a target of 20,000. the rest seem to have been given away, but how many have actually gone?
Hell, looks like a good chance the the Mackintosh may be a complete goner this time. Written in the heat of the moment, so hopefully over pessimistic.
'Lost Glasgow
Having tried, and failed, to get near the site, the latest, tragic word, comes from site fan John Pollock, who writes: "I’ve just left and the floors inside are falling and the buildings going in on itself.
"I can guarantee that it’s the end for the building. Even the fire brigade were saying they’re not saving the building - now it’s a case of damage limitation to the surrounding buildings"
I am weeping here...
And, for all you amateur 'fire investigators', already claiming it's an 'insurance job'; shame on you - men and women are still risking their lives...'
I used the Mackintosh building to create an art studio for a commercial I shot in Glasgow in about 2000. It was one of the finest and most interesting Scottish buildings I've been in. Anyone who hasn't visited has missed a treat. I was recreating something that looked like one of Degas' dancing classes and it looked almost perfect. A very sad day for Glasgow and if it was deliberately started I can only blame Brexit for creating the red mist that seems to be affecting us all.
Have a lie down, Rog. The sun in the South of France must have got to you.
Hell, looks like a good chance the the Mackintosh may be a complete goner this time. Written in the heat of the moment, so hopefully over pessimistic.
'Lost Glasgow
Having tried, and failed, to get near the site, the latest, tragic word, comes from site fan John Pollock, who writes: "I’ve just left and the floors inside are falling and the buildings going in on itself.
"I can guarantee that it’s the end for the building. Even the fire brigade were saying they’re not saving the building - now it’s a case of damage limitation to the surrounding buildings"
I am weeping here...
And, for all you amateur 'fire investigators', already claiming it's an 'insurance job'; shame on you - men and women are still risking their lives...'
I used the Mackintosh building to create an art studio for a commercial I shot in Glasgow in about 2000. It was one of the finest and most interesting Scottish buildings I've been in. Anyone who hasn't visited has missed a treat. I was recreating something that looked like one of Degas' dancing classes and it looked almost perfect. A very sad day for Glasgow and if it was deliberately started I can only blame Brexit for creating the red mist that seems to be affecting us all.
Have a lie down, Rog. The sun in the South of France must have got to you.
A grave insult particularly after I'd strongly defended Britain's finest against accusations of dereliction of duty at Grenfell Tower
Hell, looks like a good chance the the Mackintosh may be a complete goner this time. Written in the heat of the moment, so hopefully over pessimistic.
'Lost Glasgow
Having tried, and failed, to get near the site, the latest, tragic word, comes from site fan John Pollock, who writes: "I’ve just left and the floors inside are falling and the buildings going in on itself.
"I can guarantee that it’s the end for the building. Even the fire brigade were saying they’re not saving the building - now it’s a case of damage limitation to the surrounding buildings"
I am weeping here...
And, for all you amateur 'fire investigators', already claiming it's an 'insurance job'; shame on you - men and women are still risking their lives...'
I used the Mackintosh building to create an art studio for a commercial I shot in Glasgow in about 2000. It was one of the finest and most interesting Scottish buildings I've been in. Anyone who hasn't visited has missed a treat. I was recreating something that looked like one of Degas' dancing classes and it looked almost perfect. A very sad day for Glasgow and if it was deliberately started I can only blame Brexit for creating the red mist that seems to be affecting us all.
Have a lie down, Rog. The sun in the South of France must have got to you.
A grave insult particularly after I'd strongly defended Britain's finest against accusations of dereliction of duty at Grenfell Tower
Hell, looks like a good chance the the Mackintosh may be a complete goner this time. Written in the heat of the moment, so hopefully over pessimistic.
'Lost Glasgow
Having tried, and failed, to get near the site, the latest, tragic word, comes from site fan John Pollock, who writes: "I’ve just left and the floors inside are falling and the buildings going in on itself.
"I can guarantee that it’s the end for the building. Even the fire brigade were saying they’re not saving the building - now it’s a case of damage limitation to the surrounding buildings"
I am weeping here...
And, for all you amateur 'fire investigators', already claiming it's an 'insurance job'; shame on you - men and women are still risking their lives...'
I used the Mackintosh building to create an art studio for a commercial I shot in Glasgow in about 2000. It was one of the finest and most interesting Scottish buildings I've been in. Anyone who hasn't visited has missed a treat. I was recreating something that looked like one of Degas' dancing classes and it looked almost perfect. A very sad day for Glasgow and if it was deliberately started I can only blame Brexit for creating the red mist that seems to be affecting us all.
Have a lie down, Rog. The sun in the South of France must have got to you.
A grave insult particularly after I'd strongly defended Britain's finest against accusations of dereliction of duty at Grenfell Tower
Finest are the coppers, we're the Bravest. But only if you think Chicago Fire is a documentary.
Hell, looks like a good chance the the Mackintosh may be a complete goner this time. Written in the heat of the moment, so hopefully over pessimistic.
'Lost Glasgow
Having tried, and failed, to get near the site, the latest, tragic word, comes from site fan John Pollock, who writes: "I’ve just left and the floors inside are falling and the buildings going in on itself.
"I can guarantee that it’s the end for the building. Even the fire brigade were saying they’re not saving the building - now it’s a case of damage limitation to the surrounding buildings"
I am weeping here...
And, for all you amateur 'fire investigators', already claiming it's an 'insurance job'; shame on you - men and women are still risking their lives...'
I used the Mackintosh building to create an art studio for a commercial I shot in Glasgow in about 2000. It was one of the finest and most interesting Scottish buildings I've been in. Anyone who hasn't visited has missed a treat. I was recreating something that looked like one of Degas' dancing classes and it looked almost perfect. A very sad day for Glasgow and if it was deliberately started I can only blame Brexit for creating the red mist that seems to be affecting us all.
I read something on Facebook that said "most of the salvaged & restored fixtures are off site". Hope, however small, springs eternal!
And I am going to ask a rather difficult question: if it has been totally destroyed, should the building be rebuilt as it was (*), or should something else replace it?
(*) With the addition of better fire-suppression systems ...
Rebuilt I think with as much of the original material as possible, it was the most complete expression of CRM's genius. I believe it suffered slightly from being not being able to be seen as a whole because of the built up surroundings, but it was an amazing structure.
As I mentioned previously they were already going to restore it largely as a museum, the building itself being the main exhibit; most of the teaching to be moved to other buildings. Of course you then get into the Ship of Theseus conundrum. Part of the charm of the Mackintosh was the brass polished by students' hands, the paint spattered floorboards, the wood literally soaked in the DNA of thousands of students and their teachers. Hopefully salvaged & restored fixtures would give some sense of that.
Hell, looks like a good chance the the Mackintosh may be a complete goner this time. Written in the heat of the moment, so hopefully over pessimistic.
'Lost Glasgow
Having tried, and failed, to get near the site, the latest, tragic word, comes from site fan John Pollock, who writes: "I’ve just left and the floors inside are falling and the buildings going in on itself.
"I can guarantee that it’s the end for the building. Even the fire brigade were saying they’re not saving the building - now it’s a case of damage limitation to the surrounding buildings"
I am weeping here...
And, for all you amateur 'fire investigators', already claiming it's an 'insurance job'; shame on you - men and women are still risking their lives...'
I used the Mackintosh building to create an art studio for a commercial I shot in Glasgow in about 2000. It was one of the finest and most interesting Scottish buildings I've been in. Anyone who hasn't visited has missed a treat. I was recreating something that looked like one of Degas' dancing classes and it looked almost perfect. A very sad day for Glasgow and if it was deliberately started I can only blame Brexit for creating the red mist that seems to be affecting us all.
Have a lie down, Rog. The sun in the South of France must have got to you.
A grave insult particularly after I'd strongly defended Britain's finest against accusations of dereliction of duty at Grenfell Tower
I'd guess there will be all sorts of "lessons to be learnt", but we will only learn the ones that don't cost too much money.
Labour Live... embarrassing, embarrassing, embarrassing....
Probably not as embarrassing as William Hague's baseball cap even though it shows a far bigger failure of decision-making because there must have been many occasions when Labour Live could have been killed. Otoh Hague's hat featured in almost every story about him. The same with Neil Kinnock tripping at the seaside. Ain't life unfair.
Or the Sheffield Rally. Or that pop video he made. Or the fight he was involved in.
But this looks like a combination of the lot.
Yes but however laughable this is, and however inept it shows Jezza's aides to be, it will not be personally embarrassing for Corbyn in the way the baseball cap was for Hague, to take one example. It's the personal link.
Cost of baseball cap == £2 to £30 on amazon.
Cost of Labour Live == unknown, but estimates are between £ 10^5 to 10^6.
True, Hague looked like a wanker, trying to get down with the kidz.
But Corbyn looks like he can't organise a piss-up, even if he's nationalised the breweries.
Hard to say which is more damaging, but Labour Live is certainly more costly.
By "humiliating", do they mean that we wont, after all, be having cake and eating it?
I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.
If the EU decides to humiliate the UK for having the temerity to leave I would have thought that will only increase support for leaving with UK voters.
It will. The EU - and their enthusiastic British kowtowers, egging them on - seem to be operating under some strange belief that making a humiliating example of the UK will bring us to heel, and grovelling back under their umbrella in time.
They are getting it very badly wrong. The anger will not be solely directed at Theresa May, and they risk driving support for a much harder Brexit in the longer term.
He absolutely nails May's strategy. She is going to play for time until October, fuck the RoI and then hope the other 26 tell Varadkar to bend over and take it out of fear of no deal.
The contradictory EU concern that there isn’t a time limit for the backstop and that the backstop isn’t the end state is entirely illogical.
The obvious solution is a time limited UK wide backstop.
This sentence is very telling: ‘The concern is that a huge economy like the UK’s, sitting on the edge of the EU, but not fully bound by the rules and obligations of the single market, could significantly undercut the EU economy.’
The idea of British divergence terrifies the EU.
This article analyses that claim.
Parts of it haven't aged well - prepare to laugh at the bit about the 2020 election.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
By "humiliating", do they mean that we wont, after all, be having cake and eating it?
I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.
If the EU decides to humiliate the UK for having the temerity to leave I would have thought that will only increase support for leaving with UK voters.
It will. The EU - and their enthusiastic British kowtowers, egging them on - seem to be operating under some strange belief that making a humiliating example of the UK will bring us to heel, and grovelling back under their umbrella in time.
They are getting it very badly wrong. The anger will not be solely directed at Theresa May, and they risk driving support for a much harder Brexit in the longer term.
He absolutely nails May's strategy. She is going to play for time until October, fuck the RoI and then hope the other 26 tell Varadkar to bend over and take it out of fear of no deal.
The contradictory EU concern that there isn’t a time limit for the backstop and that the backstop isn’t the end state is entirely illogical.
The obvious solution is a time limited UK wide backstop.
This sentence is very telling: ‘The concern is that a huge economy like the UK’s, sitting on the edge of the EU, but not fully bound by the rules and obligations of the single market, could significantly undercut the EU economy.’
The idea of British divergence terrifies the EU.
This article analyses that claim.
Parts of it haven't aged well - prepare to laugh at the bit about the 2020 election.
A crash Brexit is the shortest way to divergence. If the EU had any sense they'd propose a time limited, strung out transition.
Because it gives them what they want, gives us what we need, and makes long-term co-operation likely.
The EU are showing next to zero interest in long-term co-operation.
they have realised that they will ultimately be much more successful without British obstructionism. As a bonus they'll enjoy the schadenfreude of watching us fail
By "humiliating", do they mean that we wont, after all, be having cake and eating it?
I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.
The only way Brexit will be humiliating is if we have vassal status, and the deal is overseen by a court from just one side. I think May is smart enough to realise that would be idiotic.
She is. But she's also unwilling to accept no deal, the other side know we won't go to no deal so therefore that's all they're willing to offer us. Between no deal and vassal she's going to take vassal.
It's almost as if the idiots who ensured zero preparation was done for no deal have never heard of Game Theory.
Yes, but here's the thing: even then, we'd have to be prepared to go through with no deal too if things didn't turn out the way we wanted.
It's no good putting on a good show, even if that's better than putting on no show at all, because there's always the risk the other side will call your bluff.
By "humiliating", do they mean that we wont, after all, be having cake and eating it?
I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.
If the EU decides to humiliate the UK for having the temerity to leave I would have thought that will only increase support for leaving with UK voters.
It will. The EU - and their enthusiastic British kowtowers, egging them on - seem to be operating under some strange belief that making a humiliating example of the UK will bring us to heel, and grovelling back under their umbrella in time.
They are getting it very badly wrong. The anger will not be solely directed at Theresa May, and they risk driving support for a much harder Brexit in the longer term.
Plus of course the EU's two biggest export markets are the post Brexit UK and the USA, with Trump already imposing tariffs on their exports to the US do they really want to add heavy UK tariffs to that to?
If only someone could have warned us that the EU were not going to accede to a deal that would challenge the fairness of the single market and cause more countries to leave.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
The more urban and flexible knowledge economy of Remania will cope much better than Leaverstan with Brexit. Particularly with Javid junking the migration target, taking out students and boosting Tier 2 Visas.
A couple of good saves by Kasper of Leicester City...
But there is barely anyone there. Journalists must be a thirsty bunch
So the 3,000 people they’d thought were coming last weekend were allocated three socialist beers each, and no-one expected that 2,000 free ticket holders and however many £10 on-the-door-ers might also want a beer?
He absolutely nails May's strategy. She is going to play for time until October, fuck the RoI and then hope the other 26 tell Varadkar to bend over and take it out of fear of no deal.
The contradictory EU concern that there isn’t a time limit for the backstop and that the backstop isn’t the end state is entirely illogical.
The obvious solution is a time limited UK wide backstop.
This sentence is very telling: ‘The concern is that a huge economy like the UK’s, sitting on the edge of the EU, but not fully bound by the rules and obligations of the single market, could significantly undercut the EU economy.’
The idea of British divergence terrifies the EU.
This article analyses that claim.
Parts of it haven't aged well - prepare to laugh at the bit about the 2020 election.
A crash Brexit is the shortest way to divergence. If the EU had any sense they'd propose a time limited, strung out transition.
Because it gives them what they want, gives us what we need, and makes long-term co-operation likely.
The EU are showing next to zero interest in long-term co-operation.
they have realised that they will ultimately be much more successful without British obstructionism. As a bonus they'll enjoy the schadenfreude of watching us fail
And people are saying we should stay in this organisation?
But there is barely anyone there. Journalists must be a thirsty bunch
So the 3,000 people they’d thought were coming last weekend were allocated three socialist beers each, and no-one expected that 2,000 free ticket holders and however many £10 on-the-door-ers might also want a beer?
He absolutely nails May's strategy. She is going to play for time until October, fuck the RoI and then hope the other 26 tell Varadkar to bend over and take it out of fear of no deal.
The contradictory EU concern that there isn’t a time limit for the backstop and that the backstop isn’t the end state is entirely illogical.
The obvious solution is a time limited UK wide backstop.
This sentence is very telling: ‘The concern is that a huge economy like the UK’s, sitting on the edge of the EU, but not fully bound by the rules and obligations of the single market, could significantly undercut the EU economy.’
The idea of British divergence terrifies the EU.
This article analyses that claim.
Parts of it haven't aged well - prepare to laugh at the bit about the 2020 election.
The EU simply has more pressing problems right now than sorting out its long term relationship with Britain. They’re making some major mistakes in my view as a result but given the offensive stupidity Britain has displayed over the last couple of years, it’s easy to understand why.
WRT Labor Live, do we know how many people have turned up?
As I understand it, about 3,000 tickets were sold at full price. from a target of 20,000. the rest seem to have been given away, but how many have actually gone?
Stadium capacity is 20,000. They sold 13,000 tickets at various prices, and some will have turned up on the day, but some who bought tickets won't turn up, so overall ptobably 70-75% of capacity. Not amazing but not too bad in the end.
Labour Live... embarrassing, embarrassing, embarrassing....
Probably not as embarrassing as William Hague's baseball cap even though it shows a far bigger failure of decision-making because there must have been many occasions when Labour Live could have been killed. Otoh Hague's hat featured in almost every story about him. The same with Neil Kinnock tripping at the seaside. Ain't life unfair.
Or the Sheffield Rally. Or that pop video he made. Or the fight he was involved in.
But this looks like a combination of the lot.
Yes but however laughable this is, and however inept it shows Jezza's aides to be, it will not be personally embarrassing for Corbyn in the way the baseball cap was for Hague, to take one example. It's the personal link.
Cost of baseball cap == £2 to £30 on amazon.
Cost of Labour Live == unknown, but estimates are between £ 10^5 to 10^6.
True, Hague looked like a wanker, trying to get down with the kidz.
But Corbyn looks like he can't organise a piss-up, even if he's nationalised the breweries.
Hard to say which is more damaging, but Labour Live is certainly more costly.
Labour Live... embarrassing, embarrassing, embarrassing....
Probably not as embarrassing as William Hague's baseball cap even though it shows a far bigger failure of decision-making because there must have been many occasions when Labour Live could have been killed. Otoh Hague's hat featured in almost every story about him. The same with Neil Kinnock tripping at the seaside. Ain't life unfair.
Or the Sheffield Rally. Or that pop video he made. Or the fight he was involved in.
But this looks like a combination of the lot.
Yes but however laughable this is, and however inept it shows Jezza's aides to be, it will not be personally embarrassing for Corbyn in the way the baseball cap was for Hague, to take one example. It's the personal link.
Cost of baseball cap == £2 to £30 on amazon.
Cost of Labour Live == unknown, but estimates are between £ 10^5 to 10^6.
True, Hague looked like a wanker, trying to get down with the kidz.
But Corbyn looks like he can't organise a piss-up, even if he's nationalised the breweries.
Hard to say which is more damaging, but Labour Live is certainly more costly.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
I'm dismayed at the UK increasingly developing into two halves, broadly N and S of the Severn-Wash line.
North: little public investment, not getting much richer South: getting richer, lots of public investment and, following on, private investment. N.B. The line's very tilted in the far west. Dorset's just about in the South but Cornwall's the North ... very poor.
Government investment used to be concentrated in poor regions. The 2018 policy puts most public money into London-Surrey-Berks-Oxon-Bucks (aka Remainia), where the growth already is. Elsewhere stagnates or grows only slowly. Typical of the new pro-south bias, Cross Rail goes from Berkshire to East London.
WRT Labor Live, do we know how many people have turned up?
As I understand it, about 3,000 tickets were sold at full price. from a target of 20,000. the rest seem to have been given away, but how many have actually gone?
They sold 13,000 tickets at various prices, and some will have turned up on the day, but some who bought tickets won't turn up, so overall ptobably 70-75% of capacity. Not amazing but not too bad in the end.
That would include all the ones they gave away, including 6 to a Mr Tony Blair etc etc etc.
If only someone could have warned us that the EU were not going to accede to a deal that would challenge the fairness of the single market and cause more countries to leave.
There is no reason the EU cannot do a Free Trade deal with the UK as they have done with Canada or Mexico or South Korea for example even if the UK leaves the single market and the customs union
Hell, looks like a good chance the the Mackintosh may be a complete goner this time. Written in the heat of the moment, so hopefully over pessimistic.
'Lost Glasgow
Having tried, and failed, to get near the site, the latest, tragic word, comes from site fan John Pollock, who writes: "I’ve just left and the floors inside are falling and the buildings going in on itself.
"I can guarantee that it’s the end for the building. Even the fire brigade were saying they’re not saving the building - now it’s a case of damage limitation to the surrounding buildings"
I am weeping here...
And, for all you amateur 'fire investigators', already claiming it's an 'insurance job'; shame on you - men and women are still risking their lives...'
I used the Mackintosh building to create an art studio for a commercial I shot in Glasgow in about 2000. It was one of the finest and most interesting Scottish buildings I've been in. Anyone who hasn't visited has missed a treat. I was recreating something that looked like one of Degas' dancing classes and it looked almost perfect. A very sad day for Glasgow and if it was deliberately started I can only blame Brexit for creating the red mist that seems to be affecting us all.
Have a lie down, Rog. The sun in the South of France must have got to you.
A grave insult particularly after I'd strongly defended Britain's finest against accusations of dereliction of duty at Grenfell Tower
Finest are the coppers, we're the Bravest. But only if you think Chicago Fire is a documentary.
I defended you as the finest. I'm not sure I'd go as far as the bravest
Hell, looks like a good chance the the Mackintosh may be a complete goner this time. Written in the heat of the moment, so hopefully over pessimistic.
I am weeping here...
And, for all you amateur 'fire investigators', already claiming it's an 'insurance job'; shame on you - men and women are still risking their lives...'
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Have a lie down, Rog. The sun in the South of France must have got to you.
A grave insult particularly after I'd strongly defended Britain's finest against accusations of dereliction of duty at Grenfell Tower
Strange non-sequitur there.
The recently unsuccessful 'Fire Stopper' knows what I'm talking about
If only someone could have warned us that the EU were not going to accede to a deal that would challenge the fairness of the single market and cause more countries to leave.
There is no reason the EU cannot do a Free Trade deal with the UK as they have done with Canada or Mexico or South Korea for example even if the UK leaves the single market and the customs union
Do they want to ? Do they really want to reward a recent wrecker ? I was in Madrid at a meeting the whole week. Brexit is probably no even #9 in their list of priorities / problems.
"F*ck we lost" exclaimed Paddington bear. Mrs Brown presented the bear with a marmalade sandwich and commiserated "Never mind it could be worse you might be an England rugby supporter" "Sod that" said Paddington bear "I had a pony on a Peru/England double .. useless bastards !!"
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
The problem with that theory is that the UK's exports of goods are higher than its exports of services and that's without taking into account the UK manufacturing which is for the UK market.
And the UK is already a country which runs a long term and large scale trade deficit and an even longer term and larger current account deficit.
To put some figures to that in 2017 UK exports of goods excluding oil were over £300bn while the UK trade deficit was less than £30bn.
Now as manufacturing is about 10% of the UK economy you could make an estimate of what effect losing most of it would have to the UK's ability to pay its way in the world.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
Government investment used to be concentrated in poor regions. The 2018 policy puts most public money into London-Surrey-Berks-Oxon-Bucks (aka Remainia), where the growth already is. Elsewhere stagnates or grows only slowly. Typical of the new pro-south bias, Cross Rail goes from Berkshire to East London.
The characterisation of the Home Counties as Remainia is wide of the mark. Without Brexit voters in those areas Remain would have won.
If only someone could have warned us that the EU were not going to accede to a deal that would challenge the fairness of the single market and cause more countries to leave.
There is no reason the EU cannot do a Free Trade deal with the UK as they have done with Canada or Mexico or South Korea for example even if the UK leaves the single market and the customs union
Do they want to ? Do they really want to reward a recent wrecker ? I was in Madrid at a meeting the whole week. Brexit is probably no even #9 in their list of priorities / problems.
As I have stated the EU's current biggest export destination is the USA and Trump has just imposed heavy tariffs on EU imports in the US, post Brexit the EU's biggest export destination will then be the UK and if the EU refuse to do a free trade deal with the UK and want heavy tariffs on EU imports to the UK too just to prove a point then that is up to them!
In any case, their biggest problem is probably migration currently, which was a key reason for the Brexit vote anyway, followed by trying to balance the needs of the German and southern European economies in the Eurozone, something we sensibly stayed out of
"F*ck we lost" exclaimed Paddington bear. Mrs Brown presented the bear with a marmalade sandwich and commiserated "Never mind it could be worse you might be an England rugby supporter" "Sod that" said Paddington bear "I had a pony on a Peru/England double .. useless bastards !!"
While another bear has been spotted at Labour Live,
More than that. But nowhere near 70% capacity or whatever Nick is trying to spin,
Well, I'm not there, so what do I know? But the Guardian report has it at 13K sold and 20K capacity. I gather the site is more than the field and a lot of people there are more interested in perusing books etc rather than listening to the music.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
I'm dismayed at the UK increasingly developing into two halves, broadly N and S of the Severn-Wash line.
North: little public investment, not getting much richer South: getting richer, lots of public investment and, following on, private investment. N.B. The line's very tilted in the far west. Dorset's just about in the South but Cornwall's the North ... very poor.
Government investment used to be concentrated in poor regions. The 2018 policy puts most public money into London-Surrey-Berks-Oxon-Bucks (aka Remainia), where the growth already is. Elsewhere stagnates or grows only slowly. Typical of the new pro-south bias, Cross Rail goes from Berkshire to East London.
No, Remainia is Scotland plus the Nationalist bits of NI
More than that. But nowhere near 70% capacity or whatever Nick is trying to spin,
Well, I'm not there, so what do I know? But the Guardian report has it at 13K sold and 20K capacity. I gather the site is more than the field and a lot of people there are more interested in perusing books etc rather than listening to the music.
Do you have a doctor issued sick note? Names will be taken.
I had a strong feeling Hammond would be the next chancellor after Osborne. I have the same feeling about Javid becoming the next Tory leader and probably PM.
The EU simply has more pressing problems right now than sorting out its long term relationship with Britain.
Well indeed, same during Cameron's renegotiation. That's why we're leaving, they've not prioritised dealing with out interests in about 30 years.
The usual unhinged nonsense from Leavers. Britain had far more influence and was far more interesting to the EU when it was a long term member. Now it’s just a neighbour to be handled from time to time.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
I'm dismayed at the UK increasingly developing into two halves, broadly N and S of the Severn-Wash line.
North: little public investment, not getting much richer South: getting richer, lots of public investment and, following on, private investment. N.B. The line's very tilted in the far west. Dorset's just about in the South but Cornwall's the North ... very poor.
Government investment used to be concentrated in poor regions. The 2018 policy puts most public money into London-Surrey-Berks-Oxon-Bucks (aka Remainia), where the growth already is. Elsewhere stagnates or grows only slowly. Typical of the new pro-south bias, Cross Rail goes from Berkshire to East London.
No, Remainia is Scotland plus the Nationalist bits of NI
I had a strong feeling Hammond would be the next chancellor after Osborne. I have the same feeling about Javid becoming the next Tory leader and probably PM.
IMO any candidate in the last 2 that actively campaigned for leave would beat him with the members vote. The real question that I admit I can not answer is who does JRM thenk should be the next PM. With 120 odd ERG votes that candidate will make the last 2 and JRM will let the members know they have his support. I am also thinking of putting money on JRM as next CoE.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
I'm dismayed at the UK increasingly developing into two halves, broadly N and S of the Severn-Wash line.
North: little public investment, not getting much richer South: getting richer, lots of public investment and, following on, private investment. N.B. The line's very tilted in the far west. Dorset's just about in the South but Cornwall's the North ... very poor.
Government investment used to be concentrated in poor regions. The 2018 policy puts most public money into London-Surrey-Berks-Oxon-Bucks (aka Remainia), where the growth already is. Elsewhere stagnates or grows only slowly. Typical of the new pro-south bias, Cross Rail goes from Berkshire to East London.
No, Remainia is Scotland plus the Nationalist bits of NI
London overwhelmingly voted Remain. We are in general smart, sophisticated, liberal and not one of the below: - xenophobic - thick - Little Englander
I had a strong feeling Hammond would be the next chancellor after Osborne. I have the same feeling about Javid becoming the next Tory leader and probably PM.
IMO any candidate in the last 2 that actively campaigned for leave would beat him with the members vote. The real question that I admit I can not answer is who does JRM thenk should be the next PM. With 120 odd ERG votes that candidate will make the last 2 and JRM will let the members know they have his support. I am also thinking of putting money on JRM as next CoE.
Nah He clearly believes in Brexit now, plus he is constantly pushing newsworthy items. The cannabis for that poor kid looks the mark of a potential leader to me
I had a strong feeling Hammond would be the next chancellor after Osborne. I have the same feeling about Javid becoming the next Tory leader and probably PM.
IMO any candidate in the last 2 that actively campaigned for leave would beat him with the members vote. The real question that I admit I can not answer is who does JRM thenk should be the next PM. With 120 odd ERG votes that candidate will make the last 2 and JRM will let the members know they have his support. I am also thinking of putting money on JRM as next CoE.
What? 120 MPs will just vote for a new leader as JRM tells them to? I thought there were only 60-70 in the ERG and even they surely don't just do what JRM tells them.
I had a strong feeling Hammond would be the next chancellor after Osborne. I have the same feeling about Javid becoming the next Tory leader and probably PM.
IMO any candidate in the last 2 that actively campaigned for leave would beat him with the members vote. The real question that I admit I can not answer is who does JRM thenk should be the next PM. With 120 odd ERG votes that candidate will make the last 2 and JRM will let the members know they have his support. I am also thinking of putting money on JRM as next CoE.
Nah He clearly believes in Brexit now, plus he is constantly pushing newsworthy items. The cannabis for that poor kid looks the mark of a potential leader to me
I wonder if Labour will go with legalizing cannabis (in some form) at the next GE?
I had a strong feeling Hammond would be the next chancellor after Osborne. I have the same feeling about Javid becoming the next Tory leader and probably PM.
IMO any candidate in the last 2 that actively campaigned for leave would beat him with the members vote. The real question that I admit I can not answer is who does JRM thenk should be the next PM. With 120 odd ERG votes that candidate will make the last 2 and JRM will let the members know they have his support. I am also thinking of putting money on JRM as next CoE.
Nah He clearly believes in Brexit now, plus he is constantly pushing newsworthy items. The cannabis for that poor kid looks the mark of a potential leader to me
Depressing times that someone making a sensible decision makes them a potential leader.
Another dismal capitulation by the England rugby team.
Jones’ days ought to be numbered. There is no passion or zip in this side.
We look demoralised.
On current form the England soccer team looks better than the England rugby team but we shall see how the next few weeks pan out
Blimey, now you've put the mockers on the the footie
The England rugby team came 5th in this year's 6 nations and failed to even make the quarter finals at the 2015 rugby world cup despite it being at home.
The England soccer team topped their world cup qualification group and have beaten Costa Rica, Nigeria and the Netherlands and drawn with Italy so far this year.
Of course we will see what happens in the tournament but to me the soccer team looks far better than many of their overhyped predecessors while the rugby team is a pale shadow of the 2003 world cup winners
It's enough of a crowd to make for a good photo, but my gods the whinge in that tweet is pathetic. Were they wanting or expecting the mainstream media to care about a political party holding a music event? Political events are only interesting if they are a disaster, or can be said to be racist or sexist in some way, and thus controversial.
More than that. But nowhere near 70% capacity or whatever Nick is trying to spin,
Well, I'm not there, so what do I know? But the Guardian report has it at 13K sold and 20K capacity. I gather the site is more than the field and a lot of people there are more interested in perusing books etc rather than listening to the music.
Sky News said that many of those 13,000 sold were bought en masse by the Unite Union to boost sales. The reporter estimates there are around 5,000 at the event. So less than half of those tickets sold and a quarter of the venue capacity.
More than that. But nowhere near 70% capacity or whatever Nick is trying to spin,
Well, I'm not there, so what do I know? But the Guardian report has it at 13K sold and 20K capacity. I gather the site is more than the field and a lot of people there are more interested in perusing books etc rather than listening to the music.
Sky News said that many of those 13,000 sold were bought en masse by the Unite Union to boost sales. The reporter estimates there are around 5,000 at the event. So less than half of those tickets sold and a quarter of the venue capacity.
4-5k looks about right for the number of cult members on show in that photo.
I had a strong feeling Hammond would be the next chancellor after Osborne. I have the same feeling about Javid becoming the next Tory leader and probably PM.
IMO any candidate in the last 2 that actively campaigned for leave would beat him with the members vote. The real question that I admit I can not answer is who does JRM thenk should be the next PM. With 120 odd ERG votes that candidate will make the last 2 and JRM will let the members know they have his support. I am also thinking of putting money on JRM as next CoE.
Nah He clearly believes in Brexit now, plus he is constantly pushing newsworthy items. The cannabis for that poor kid looks the mark of a potential leader to me
Depressing times that someone making a sensible decision makes them a potential leader.
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.
Whisper it, but in the very long term, I could see the UK losing most of its remaining manufacturing industry (except the really high-end stuff, and critical national security stuff) and becoming an IT/financial/professional services hub.
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
I'm dismayed ament used to be concentrated in poor regions. The 2018 policy puts most public money into London-Surrey-Berks-Oxon-Bucks (aka Remainia), where the growth already is. Elsewhere stagnates or grows only slowly. Typical of the new pro-south bias, Cross Rail goes from Berkshire to East London.
No, Remainia is Scotland plus the Nationalist bits of NI
London overwhelmingly voted Remain. We are in general smart, sophisticated, liberal and not one of the below: - xenophobic - thick - Little Englander
Presume you have never been to Bexley, Barking or Havering then? Though I prefer patriotic and no nonsense rather than xenophobic and thick
More than that. But nowhere near 70% capacity or whatever Nick is trying to spin,
Well, I'm not there, so what do I know? But the Guardian report has it at 13K sold and 20K capacity. I gather the site is more than the field and a lot of people there are more interested in perusing books etc rather than listening to the music.
Sky News said that many of those 13,000 sold were bought en masse by the Unite Union to boost sales. The reporter estimates there are around 5,000 at the event. So less than half of those tickets sold and a quarter of the venue capacity.
Sounds a bit meh then - they overestimated the heights they could reach (something which they could advertise as being 'sold out' would probably make for a good story) but it's a good many thousands, hardly a disaster from a PR point I'd have thought.
The EU simply has more pressing problems right now than sorting out its long term relationship with Britain.
Well indeed, same during Cameron's renegotiation. That's why we're leaving, they've not prioritised dealing with out interests in about 30 years.
The usual unhinged nonsense from Leavers. Britain had far more influence and was far more interesting to the EU when it was a long term member. Now it’s just a neighbour to be handled from time to time.
It had so much influence that Cameron couldn't get a single meaningful reform and was interesting in the sense that we paid hundreds of millions net per week to fund their project.
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As I understand it, about 3,000 tickets were sold at full price. from a target of 20,000. the rest seem to have been given away, but how many have actually gone?
O Tannenbaum
Wie grunst in deine blatte
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/16/labour-live-jezfest-london-jeremy-corbyn-scepticism
Hmmm....
As I mentioned previously they were already going to restore it largely as a museum, the building itself being the main exhibit; most of the teaching to be moved to other buildings. Of course you then get into the Ship of Theseus conundrum. Part of the charm of the Mackintosh was the brass polished by students' hands, the paint spattered floorboards, the wood literally soaked in the DNA of thousands of students and their teachers. Hopefully salvaged & restored fixtures would give some sense of that.
https://twitter.com/nikkidarling/status/1007779184779898882
And vegan stuff for picky peeps
They are getting it very badly wrong. The anger will not be solely directed at Theresa May, and they risk driving support for a much harder Brexit in the longer term.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/16/labour-live-jezfest-london-jeremy-corbyn-scepticism
Regardless of whether we're a member of the EU or not, which may simply affect the rate at which that happens, but not the trend.
It's no good putting on a good show, even if that's better than putting on no show at all, because there's always the risk the other side will call your bluff.
A couple of good saves by Kasper of Leicester City...
Socialism in action!
Just saying ....
'FTM Lanyard ' - looks like the event has been infiltrated by Mackems!
(F*** The Mags, for those unaware)
North: little public investment, not getting much richer
South: getting richer, lots of public investment and, following on, private investment.
N.B. The line's very tilted in the far west. Dorset's just about in the South but Cornwall's the North ... very poor.
Government investment used to be concentrated in poor regions. The 2018 policy puts most public money into London-Surrey-Berks-Oxon-Bucks (aka Remainia), where the growth already is. Elsewhere stagnates or grows only slowly. Typical of the new pro-south bias, Cross Rail goes from Berkshire to East London.
https://twitter.com/idvck/status/1007238589841903616
https://twitter.com/idvck/status/1007282848418721794
I reckon about 1,500 in this photo
https://twitter.com/lewiscomptonuk/status/1008038852840382465
Cueva's an entertaining player to watch
I've got Denmark in the station sweep. Pays out on 1st, 3rd and last! I'm aiming for 3rd!
"Sod that" said Paddington bear "I had a pony on a Peru/England double .. useless bastards !!"
And the UK is already a country which runs a long term and large scale trade deficit and an even longer term and larger current account deficit.
To put some figures to that in 2017 UK exports of goods excluding oil were over £300bn while the UK trade deficit was less than £30bn.
Now as manufacturing is about 10% of the UK economy you could make an estimate of what effect losing most of it would have to the UK's ability to pay its way in the world.
In any case, their biggest problem is probably migration currently, which was a key reason for the Brexit vote anyway, followed by trying to balance the needs of the German and southern European economies in the Eurozone, something we sensibly stayed out of
This is part of the reason I don't like betting or playing fantasy football affects my ability to enjoy the match.
Jones’ days ought to be numbered. There is no passion or zip in this side.
We look demoralised.
Whatever it is its certainly not a trait of teams which win tournaments.
Unless it was all the idea of three batsmen and nobody else knew anything about anything.
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People have had a vote numpties.
Jo Richards
Two years ago.
People have changed their minds.
#StopBrexit
BenBeasant
So Corbyn is elected at next general election are you happy to have another 1 two years later just in case people change their mind?
(In fairness it isn't actually any worse than debate anywhere else)
- xenophobic
- thick
- Little Englander
The England soccer team topped their world cup qualification group and have beaten Costa Rica, Nigeria and the Netherlands and drawn with Italy so far this year.
Of course we will see what happens in the tournament but to me the soccer team looks far better than many of their overhyped predecessors while the rugby team is a pale shadow of the 2003 world cup winners
That crowd looks like a good turn out...compared to my local village fete. We will probably get a few more though.