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£44.76. An extreme example, but it contains the average person's calorie requrements for 23 days.Pulpstar said:
How much would https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/272515844 5 litres of veg oil cost with its 41265 calories cost under your plan ?Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/10035500760971345920 -
So Leavers are loving the union to death.0
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If we eat celery do we get a rebate?Benpointer said:
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.Philip_Thompson said:
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)0 -
Haha - no, but it's tax free!Slackbladder said:
If we eat celery do we get a rebate?Benpointer said:
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.Philip_Thompson said:
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)0 -
Beyond the pale.AlastairMeeks said:So Leavers are loving the union to death.
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Eating celery is its own punishment.0
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Pity the poor customs officers having to get the latex gloves out to check whether pensioners were trying to smuggle in Werther's Originals.Benpointer said:
£44.76. An extreme example, but it contains the average person's calorie requrements for 23 days.Pulpstar said:
How much would https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/272515844 5 litres of veg oil cost with its 41265 calories cost under your plan ?Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/10035500760971345920 -
The aspect that never seems to be mentioned is the assumption that the opinion poll figures for the Scottish Greens and UKIP will be achieved at a general election.
The Greens are unlikely to put up more than a token few candidates, like they did in 2017 when achieving 0.2% of the vote, as did UKIP who are now a busted flush.
This leaves a crucial 2-2.5% of the vote share up for grabs.
As the sweet spot for the SNP starts at about a 40% SNP/26.5% Con/25% Lab split, picking the low hanging fruit could deliver them 40-45 seats and crucially, a renewed mandate to keep Indyref 2 on the agenda.0 -
Trump the Fatalist
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/08/donald-trump-beliefs-what-matters-fatalism-218663
Trump quotes:
"What will be will be", "We'll see", “Nothing scares me. Nothing,” he answered. “I’m a great fatalist—whatever happens, happens, and you just have to go along with it.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/08/donald-trump-beliefs-what-matters-fatalism-218663
"Trump is giving voice to one of the least talked-about but most abiding convictions of his long, loud, public life—his unambiguous belief in the inherent meaningless of human existence, and his repeated self-identification as a fatalist."0 -
Sounds pretty expensive!Benpointer said:
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.Philip_Thompson said:
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.0 -
The problem is it would be absolubtely brutal on a family of four with say a couple of 11 year old kids where there is a household income of ~ £30k. It's the poll tax by another nameBenpointer said:
Haha - no, but it's tax free!Slackbladder said:
If we eat celery do we get a rebate?Benpointer said:
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.Philip_Thompson said:
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
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The eagerness of some for puritanical meddling is beyond me. (In related news, I need to gain some weight).0
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ROFL - we resort to sub-sample against a national Scottish poll. Null points for effort.justin124 said:
Polls in Scotland have been overstating SNP support levels for several years now. Also the crossbreak for Scotland in the most recent national poll came up with SNP 38 Lab 30 Con 26.felix said:We await Justin, Surby and other Labour analysis with interest. Not much sign here of the Scottish Corbyn breakthrough we heard so much about a few months ago.
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Sadly it's my day for smearing lard on the cat's boil!FrancisUrquhart said:So come on, who's is going to labour live next weekend....
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57p calorie tax on a 135g pack by my reckoning. Not sure it's going to start a trend in 'chews-cruises' tbh.AlastairMeeks said:
Pity the poor customs officers having to get the latex gloves out to check whether pensioners were trying to smuggle in Werther's Originals.Benpointer said:
£44.76. An extreme example, but it contains the average person's calorie requrements for 23 days.Pulpstar said:
How much would https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/272515844 5 litres of veg oil cost with its 41265 calories cost under your plan ?Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
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Thanks. I quite like the Lakes, but it's a little too far away from me to go to regularly. It also seems to rain whenever I'm there ...Cyclefree said:Morning all from a very sunny Cumbria.
I find it odd that the Tories are increasing their poll lead, if polls are to be believed. They seem to me to be an absolute shower but maybe most people don’t follow the ins and outs much.
One word of caution though: Corbyn is a good campaigner and quite shameless when it comes to offering all sorts of goodies as we saw last year so even if the polls are right now we should not assume that they will stay this way during a GE. And by then something will have happened with Brexit, though I haven’t the faintest idea what.
Anyway well done to @JosiasJessop for his walks, though he should really get to the Lakes. Some wonderful walks here.
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How does a hard working family with both mum and Dad employed as NHS auxilliaries afford thisBenpointer said:
57p calorie tax on a 135g pack by my reckoning. Not sure it's going to start a trend in 'chews-cruises' tbh.AlastairMeeks said:
Pity the poor customs officers having to get the latex gloves out to check whether pensioners were trying to smuggle in Werther's Originals.Benpointer said:
£44.76. An extreme example, but it contains the average person's calorie requrements for 23 days.Pulpstar said:
How much would https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/272515844 5 litres of veg oil cost with its 41265 calories cost under your plan ?Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592 ? 0 -
They could always eat a bit less.rkrkrk said:
Sounds pretty expensive!Benpointer said:
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.Philip_Thompson said:
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.
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Also worth remembering the popularity of Sturgeon, Davidson and Leonard are not judged on the same basis.
Nicola is being judged on her performance as First Minister, whereas Ruth and Richard (as a political nerd I do know about him) are only being judged on leading their party group.0 -
Ah - apologies, I didn't read the article. I think you're probably right about double jeopardy.TOPPING said:
Thing is, it is or was in the public domain when it happened,and he apologised for it then. There is I think an element of double jeopardy about dragging it up again to accuse him, even though, as the Buzzfeed article points out, that he says politicians should be responsible for their actions whenever they happened.rkrkrk said:
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.MaxPB said:
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Morris_Dancer said:
The eagerness of some for puritanical meddling is beyond me. (In related news, I need to gain some weight).
It's not really about nannying people. Tbh if individuals want to eat (or drink, or smoke, or drug) themselves to an early grave, that's up to them. It's about covering the cost of their choices on our shared health services.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/health-matters-obesity-and-the-food-environment/health-matters-obesity-and-the-food-environment--20 -
rkrkrk said:
Sounds pretty expensive!Benpointer said:
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.Philip_Thompson said:
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.
Or changing their eating habits.
Let them eat asparagus.0 -
The next general election is irrelevant to indyref2 as the next Holyrood election is due the year before and on today's Yougov would produce a unionist majoritysarissa said:The aspect that never seems to be mentioned is the assumption that the opinion poll figures for the Scottish Greens and UKIP will be achieved at a general election.
The Greens are unlikely to put up more than a token few candidates, like they did in 2017 when achieving 0.2% of the vote, as did UKIP who are now a busted flush.
This leaves a crucial 2-2.5% of the vote share up for grabs.
As the sweet spot for the SNP starts at about a 40% SNP/26.5% Con/25% Lab split, picking the low hanging fruit could deliver them 40-45 seats and crucially, a renewed mandate to keep Indyref 2 on the agenda.0 -
They're eating 1917 calories per day each on these sums. That's below average.Benpointer said:
They could always eat a bit less.rkrkrk said:
Sounds pretty expensive!Benpointer said:
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.Philip_Thompson said:
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.0 -
Mr. Pointer, are you going to charge people for doing charity sky diving for the NHS? According to QI (admittedly, not impeccable) the costs of treating resultant injuries exceeds the money raised.
Will mountain climbers be taxed?
How far does the green-eyed taxman's reach extend, in your perfect world?0 -
No they won't this is 1 allegation 18 years ago and Democrats rallied around Bill Clinton for far worserkrkrk said:
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.MaxPB said:
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Perhaps a sugar tax is unfair because it targets those with a sweet tooth as opposed to other gastronomic weaknesses. But the government is never going to be entirely fair in what it puts sin taxes on. I don't really see it as nanny statism. These taxes have been bringing in less money in recent years.0
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Bill Clinton was a different era. The tolerance now is much lower - especially for a politician like Trudeau who goes on about being a feminist etc. That said - I didn't realise the allegations had surfaced already, which i think does limit their impact.HYUFD said:
No they won't this is 1 allegation 18 years ago and Democrats rallied around Bill Clinton for far worserkrkrk said:
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.MaxPB said:
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Even then I think fresh food tends to be more expensive than processed without the tax so there will be a significant increase in food expenditure... I don't think the idea is workable at that level of taxation, it will hit the poor too hard.David_Evershed said:rkrkrk said:
Sounds pretty expensive!Benpointer said:
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.Philip_Thompson said:
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.
Or changing their eating habits.
Let them eat asparagus.0 -
There is a difference for Weinstein scale allegations but sexual allegations tend to not make much difference as most voters are tribal and will rally around their candidate.rkrkrk said:
Bill Clinton was a different era. The tolerance now is much lower - especially for a politician like Trudeau who goes on about being a feminist etc. That said - I didn't realise the allegations had surfaced already, which i think does limit their impact.HYUFD said:
No they won't this is 1 allegation 18 years ago and Democrats rallied around Bill Clinton for far worserkrkrk said:
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.MaxPB said:
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...TheScreamingEagles said:
As you state it was reported in the press at the time anyway and has just resurfaced, it is nothing new0 -
Leave Lib Dems moving to Conservative andBarnesian said:
The churn in the LibDem share is interesting too.Scott_P said:
On the surface the LibDems look to be static. 98 LibDems in today's weighted sample. 99 voted LibDem in 2017.
But the LibDems lost a net 15 to the Tories and gained a net 15 from Labour leaving them basically all square. Small sample of course. Why would they be losing to the Tories and gaining from Labour? If it is true, it explains 1% point of the gain in Tory share and loss in Labour share.
Remain Labour moving to Lib Dem
Result - Lib Dems becoming more social liberal and less economic liberal0 -
@Benpointer I think a modified version of your proposed calorie tax could work - instead of simply taking all the revenue from high calorie foods, balance it up by subsidising foods of lower calorific density (vegetables basically). That way healthy eating families wouldn't be clobbered.0
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Well for a start some of the money raised could go towards paying NHS staff better.Pulpstar said:
How does a hard working family with both mum and Dad employed as NHS auxilliaries afford thisBenpointer said:
57p calorie tax on a 135g pack by my reckoning. Not sure it's going to start a trend in 'chews-cruises' tbh.AlastairMeeks said:
Pity the poor customs officers having to get the latex gloves out to check whether pensioners were trying to smuggle in Werther's Originals.Benpointer said:
£44.76. An extreme example, but it contains the average person's calorie requrements for 23 days.Pulpstar said:
How much would https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/272515844 5 litres of veg oil cost with its 41265 calories cost under your plan ?Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592 ?
I acknowledge it's a regressive tax, like VAT (which of course is not currently charged on food). As such I'd see it alongside other measures to support those on lower incomes.
Also I quickly plucked out a rate of 0.1p per kCal from thin air to do the maths. We don'e need to raise £64bn to boost the NHS - a rate of 0.015p (£0.00015) per kCal giving £9bn would be sufficient to cover the proijected costs of obesity
That would be a circa 10% increase on average food bills (assuming people don't eat less or eat more healthily.)0 -
Interesting move by him considering his history:Scott_P said:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scots-food-industry-chiefs-audrey-4114102
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Yes I like that. I am sure their Lordships will suitably review and amend my bill when it comes before themPulpstar said:@Benpointer I think a modified version of your proposed calorie tax could work - instead of simply taking all the revenue from high calorie foods, balance it up by subsidising foods of lower calorific density (vegetables basically). That way healthy eating families wouldn't be clobbered.
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Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?0
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Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. Pointer, are you going to charge people for doing charity sky diving for the NHS? According to QI (admittedly, not impeccable) the costs of treating resultant injuries exceeds the money raised.
Will mountain climbers be taxed?
How far does the green-eyed taxman's reach extend, in your perfect world?
Not that far - now stop being so silly!0 -
rkrkrk said:
Even then I think fresh food tends to be more expensive than processed without the tax so there will be a significant increase in food expenditure... I don't think the idea is workable at that level of taxation, it will hit the poor too hard.David_Evershed said:rkrkrk said:
Sounds pretty expensive!Benpointer said:
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.Philip_Thompson said:
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.
Or changing their eating habits.
Let them eat asparagus.
The less well educated people are too short of time/lazy to prepare meals from fresh food. Also they snack.
Result - obesity0 -
I forget, is it over 20 or over 25 seats that you think SLab are going to gain at the next GE?justin124 said:
Polls in Scotland have been overstating SNP support levels for several years now. Also the crossbreak for Scotland in the most recent national poll came up with SNP 38 Lab 30 Con 26.felix said:We await Justin, Surby and other Labour analysis with interest. Not much sign here of the Scottish Corbyn breakthrough we heard so much about a few months ago.
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65m people at 2700 cals per day, I think.Pulpstar said:
They're eating 1917 calories per day each on these sums. That's below average.Benpointer said:
They could always eat a bit less.rkrkrk said:
Sounds pretty expensive!Benpointer said:
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.Philip_Thompson said:
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.0 -
Benpointer said:Morris_Dancer said:
The eagerness of some for puritanical meddling is beyond me. (In related news, I need to gain some weight).
It's not really about nannying people. Tbh if individuals want to eat (or drink, or smoke, or drug) themselves to an early grave, that's up to them. It's about covering the cost of their choices on our shared health services.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/health-matters-obesity-and-the-food-environment/health-matters-obesity-and-the-food-environment--2
If we want the cost of health care to fall on those who use the service then we should not provide it free at the point of delivery but charge.Benpointer said:Morris_Dancer said:The eagerness of some for puritanical meddling is beyond me. (In related news, I need to gain some weight).
It's not really about nannying people. Tbh if individuals want to eat (or drink, or smoke, or drug) themselves to an early grave, that's up to them. It's about covering the cost of their choices on our shared health services.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/health-matters-obesity-and-the-food-environment/health-matters-obesity-and-the-food-environment--20 -
So little faith in your countryfolkFoxy said:
On the other hand Davidson did get the Unionist voters who were amongst the 30% of Scots for Brexit.hamiltonace said:One of my swim team a young teacher just announced last night that she has quit her job and is going to Spain to work at a private school for less money. She mentioned Brexit and the general sxxt culture as the reason. The political discussion that followed showed a general gloom. The Scots think the English are talking to themselves as usual, ignoring everyone else and up their own a**e. In this environment only strong Scots will be supported.
The Ruth Davidson factor is still an important part of the final Brexit outcome. Without her support the Scottish Tory mps will not vote for the deal. People vote conservative here for Ruth and the union not for Brexit.
I share the gloom of your young teacher friend. The future of Britain looks grim, negative and unappealing. If I were a recent graduate I too would emigrate.0 -
Lol, 'jungle-like settlements built up north of the Tweed'!Purple said:
On the first poll: people in NI will vote to keep the NHS. Shocker.Theuniondivvie said:Probably the 2 most important polling results today.
https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1004960844231462913
https://twitter.com/KevinJPringle/status/1004851299886731271
On the second: one begins to despair when so many people think the Scottish economy would fare better under independence. Many are reasoning that Brexit will be such a shambles that Scotland should stay out of it, of course, but they are too stupid to realise what having Scotland inside the CU and England outside would do to Scotland. I wonder how many realise that an independent Scotland inside the EU would NOT control its own borders, and would NOT be allowed to trade freely with England? (Nor, when jungle-like settlements built up north of the Tweed, would they be able to demand successfully that England open its borders.) Many Scottish nationalists are so infantile and drunk on sunshine that they don't realise EU membership brings responsibilities.
You can almost hear a few very well-connected people in both NI and Scotland salivating at the thought of benefiting from the opportunities that Armageddon will bring.
Only 102 posts in and already well versed in the dumbass memes practiced 100s of times on PB - fast work.0 -
Since exercise is the other side of the equation (the more exercise you do, the less the heath problems from eating nice things), can I get a tax rebate? Firstly I walk a great deal myself, and I've also encouraged many others to go out for a walk. (Mainly by entering a room)Benpointer said:
Well for a start some of the money raised could go towards paying NHS staff better.Pulpstar said:
How does a hard working family with both mum and Dad employed as NHS auxilliaries afford thisBenpointer said:
57p calorie tax on a 135g pack by my reckoning. Not sure it's going to start a trend in 'chews-cruises' tbh.AlastairMeeks said:
Pity the poor customs officers having to get the latex gloves out to check whether pensioners were trying to smuggle in Werther's Originals.Benpointer said:
£44.76. An extreme example, but it contains the average person's calorie requrements for 23 days.Pulpstar said:
How much would https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/272515844 5 litres of veg oil cost with its 41265 calories cost under your plan ?Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592 ?
I acknowledge it's a regressive tax, like VAT (which of course is not currently charged on food). As such I'd see it alongside other measures to support those on lower incomes.
Also I quickly plucked out a rate of 0.1p per kCal from thin air to do the maths. We don'e need to raise £64bn to boost the NHS - a rate of 0.015p (£0.00015) per kCal giving £9bn would be sufficient to cover the proijected costs of obesity
That would be a circa 10% increase on average food bills (assuming people don't eat less or eat more healthily.) 0 -
Lin Dems may be logical but .................hamiltonace said:
In Scotland the SNP lost the vote on independence but did not disappear as expected but got stronger. Labour and Lib Dems dithered and the Tories took a big chunk of the unionist vote. This allowed them to move from the 4th party in Scotland to a strong 2nd.Benpointer said:
I'd suggest that for most 'Leave' (and 'Remain') voters, Brexit is not their sole reason for voting in a GE, and for many it's not likely to be in the top half-a-dozen reasons for voting.Richard_Tyndall said:
In which case they simply won't vote.Jonathan said:
Leave voters currently have nowhere to go.GIN1138 said:
Well at the moment Tories are holding on Leavers and gaining Remainers.Stark_Dawning said:
Tory RemainGIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Well given the Tories have become the part of remain who would be surprised by that?
Voters gain
Leave voters haven't realized they are being sold down the river and there's no genuine Brexit Party to vote for at the moment anyway,
I'm sure both those things won't last much longer...
We are an odd Brexit-obsessed minority on PB.
I am surprised that the Lib Dems have not done better so far in England. Their position is logical.
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You forgot to mention the plague of locusts and the collapse of Western civilization.Purple said:
You're buying in to Trump's self-description. He went bankrupt several times. It won't end well.SeanT said:BoJo is completely right, of course. A Mad Hatter approach - fuck you, we're capable of anything, look I have a knife, and I will cut off my own testicles, AND your nose, HAH - would have been better than May's cautious, turgid, idiotic Red Line which is then immediately crossed approach.
The EU is mugging us. If a blade-flashing mugger is about to mug you, the best bet is to make yourself look so loony and weird and dangerous he think it ain't worth the uncertainty and risk: is he armed too? Why is he acting so strangely? (...)
We should have Trumped the EU. Too late now.
What do you mean by "too late now"?
And can you specify some British testicles that Britain can threaten to cut off? When I did, Richard Tyndall said I was coming over as "utterly deranged". They include peace in Ireland, British sovereignty over NI, British sovereignty over Scotland, and uninterrupted food supply:
Then there's the question of what will serve as the EU's "nose". The most available "nose" has got to be in the financial system somewhere.Purple said:I do wonder how far the Brexit lunacy can go. When the present stage of dogwhistling stops, the following will take its place:
* F*** the Irish border; we want Brexit;
* F*** empty shelves in Aldi and Lidl; we want Brexit;
* F*** whether or not we keep NI; we want Brexit;
* F*** whether or not we keep Scotland; we want Brexit;
* F*** a collapse of the food and retail banking systems; everyone who's anyone has got a home or three abroad;
* F*** the left, the chavs, schoolteachers, and gentlemen of a Windrush and Oriental persuasion; we're going to remove kebab.0 -
The best part of your calorie tax is that it hits tallest people hardest, and thus compensates for their unfair advantages when it comes to getting the best jobs and more sex.Benpointer said:
Yes I like that. I am sure their Lordships will suitably review and amend my bill when it comes before themPulpstar said:@Benpointer I think a modified version of your proposed calorie tax could work - instead of simply taking all the revenue from high calorie foods, balance it up by subsidising foods of lower calorific density (vegetables basically). That way healthy eating families wouldn't be clobbered.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/11615756/Tall-men-earn-more-are-more-attractive-and-have-healthier-hearts.html0 -
I don't get why nanny state taxes are worse than employment taxes, which everyone accepts. Better to tax bad things than good things.FrankBooth said:Perhaps a sugar tax is unfair because it targets those with a sweet tooth as opposed to other gastronomic weaknesses. But the government is never going to be entirely fair in what it puts sin taxes on. I don't really see it as nanny statism. These taxes have been bringing in less money in recent years.
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I have no clear idea as to what might be happening re-the national polls at the moment. Prima facie it seems a bit odd. On the other hand, the Tories may be benefitting from something akin to 'the party conference' effect in that parties tend to receive a polling boost at conference time to a large extent because other parties are frozen out of media coverage etc.0
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But most of the advocates for taxes on the bad things see them as additions to, rather than replacements for, the taxes on good things.Elliot said:
I don't get why nanny state taxes are worse than employment taxes, which everyone accepts. Better to tax bad things than good things.FrankBooth said:Perhaps a sugar tax is unfair because it targets those with a sweet tooth as opposed to other gastronomic weaknesses. But the government is never going to be entirely fair in what it puts sin taxes on. I don't really see it as nanny statism. These taxes have been bringing in less money in recent years.
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Mr. Elliot, because puritanism is the creed of joyless ascetics and greedy socialists.0
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Just saw your website on last night’s thread. An awesome achievement, not only in all the walking but in taking the time to document everything you’ve done.JosiasJessop said:
Since exercise is the other side of the equation (the more exercise you do, the less the heath problems from eating nice things), can I get a tax rebate? Firstly I walk a great deal myself, and I've also encouraged many others to go out for a walk. (Mainly by entering a room)Benpointer said:
Well for a start some of the money raised could go towards paying NHS staff better.Pulpstar said:
How does a hard working family with both mum and Dad employed as NHS auxilliaries afford thisBenpointer said:
57p calorie tax on a 135g pack by my reckoning. Not sure it's going to start a trend in 'chews-cruises' tbh.AlastairMeeks said:
Pity the poor customs officers having to get the latex gloves out to check whether pensioners were trying to smuggle in Werther's Originals.Benpointer said:
£44.76. An extreme example, but it contains the average person's calorie requrements for 23 days.Pulpstar said:
How much would https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/272515844 5 litres of veg oil cost with its 41265 calories cost under your plan ?Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592 ?
I acknowledge it's a regressive tax, like VAT (which of course is not currently charged on food). As such I'd see it alongside other measures to support those on lower incomes.
Also I quickly plucked out a rate of 0.1p per kCal from thin air to do the maths. We don'e need to raise £64bn to boost the NHS - a rate of 0.015p (£0.00015) per kCal giving £9bn would be sufficient to cover the proijected costs of obesity
That would be a circa 10% increase on average food bills (assuming people don't eat less or eat more healthily.)
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Not into Formula E especially, but this sounds like a fantastic idea:
https://twitter.com/FIAFormulaE/status/10050304245848678400 -
Austrian government closes 7 mosques and says there is no room for a parallel society in their country.
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article177185002/Sebastian-Kurz-Kein-Platz-fuer-Parallelgesellschaften-Oesterreich-schliesst-sieben-Moscheen.html0 -
Electorate saying “we’ve given you a tough gig and Barnier is beating you with a shitty stick but we appreciate your efforts so have some moral support”?kle4 said:
How?!TheScreamingEagles said:YouGov Times GB wide Poll
Con 44 (+2)
Labour 37 (-2)
LD 8 (-1)
Largest Tory lead since the GE.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/may-heads-off-brexit-revolt-with-backstop-concession-fbg5hbmv3
The cabinet are openly divided and all the news is about how badly Brexit is going, even from the pro brexit side. How on that situation do they rise?0 -
CON: 44% (+2)
LAB: 37% (-2)
LDEM: 8% (-1)
UKIP: 3% (-)
GRN: 3% (+1)
via @YouGov, 04 - 05 Jun
Time for a GE?0 -
Easy one - Con's = Con's.Stark_Dawning said:
Tory RemainGIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Well given the Tories have become the part of remain who would be surprised by that?
Voters gain0 -
They'll never win the Ashes with that attitude.Alanbrooke said:Austrian government closes 7 mosques and says there is no room for a parallel society in their country.
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article177185002/Sebastian-Kurz-Kein-Platz-fuer-Parallelgesellschaften-Oesterreich-schliesst-sieben-Moscheen.html
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Not just yet, need to see how big the kitty is once we've got the new house fully furnished.bigjohnowls said:CON: 44% (+2)
LAB: 37% (-2)
LDEM: 8% (-1)
UKIP: 3% (-)
GRN: 3% (+1)
via @YouGov, 04 - 05 Jun
Time for a GE?0 -
Too late for this side of Summer break!bigjohnowls said:CON: 44% (+2)
LAB: 37% (-2)
LDEM: 8% (-1)
UKIP: 3% (-)
GRN: 3% (+1)
via @YouGov, 04 - 05 Jun
Time for a GE?0 -
Why do they need to add “and members of the Labour Party”? Are they not members of the public too?Theuniondivvie said:
Where Jezza goes, mini me SLab follows. Having Hugh 'diversity training' Gaffney as special guest is brave.SandyRentool said:
This is a bloody awful poll for us. But we're organising a music festival. So that's OK then.TheScreamingEagles said:YouGov Times GB wide Poll
Con 44 (+2)
Labour 37 (-2)
LD 8 (-1)
Largest Tory lead since the GE.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/may-heads-off-brexit-revolt-with-backstop-concession-fbg5hbmv3
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As one of the many PB Leavers who have left, I am surprised that you are surprised.Charles said:
So little faith in your countryfolkFoxy said:
On the other hand Davidson did get the Unionist voters who were amongst the 30% of Scots for Brexit.hamiltonace said:One of my swim team a young teacher just announced last night that she has quit her job and is going to Spain to work at a private school for less money. She mentioned Brexit and the general sxxt culture as the reason. The political discussion that followed showed a general gloom. The Scots think the English are talking to themselves as usual, ignoring everyone else and up their own a**e. In this environment only strong Scots will be supported.
The Ruth Davidson factor is still an important part of the final Brexit outcome. Without her support the Scottish Tory mps will not vote for the deal. People vote conservative here for Ruth and the union not for Brexit.
I share the gloom of your young teacher friend. The future of Britain looks grim, negative and unappealing. If I were a recent graduate I too would emigrate.0 -
Bugger, quite liked him.
'CNN's Anthony Bourdain dead at 61'
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/anthony-bourdain-obit/index.html0 -
there's nowt so queer as [Scotslab] folk?Charles said:
Why do they need to add “and members of the Labour Party”? Are they not members of the public too?Theuniondivvie said:
Where Jezza goes, mini me SLab follows. Having Hugh 'diversity training' Gaffney as special guest is brave.SandyRentool said:
This is a bloody awful poll for us. But we're organising a music festival. So that's OK then.TheScreamingEagles said:YouGov Times GB wide Poll
Con 44 (+2)
Labour 37 (-2)
LD 8 (-1)
Largest Tory lead since the GE.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/may-heads-off-brexit-revolt-with-backstop-concession-fbg5hbmv3
https://twitter.com/CentralCLP/status/10036740458151157760 -
SandyRentool said:
If you join all of the full stops on Page 7 of today's Guardian it reveals a secret map showing the location of the most pretentious coffee shop in Camden.kle4 said:
Those are symbols of the Liberal elite!Theuniondivvie said:
You seem a little garbled. Some punctuation and syntax please.HYUFD said:
So despite endless trawling you still find every new poll backing staying in the UK in both Scotland and NI and of course the SNP is projected to use its Holyrood majority with the Greens with yougov today tooTheuniondivvie said:Probably the 2 most important polling results today.
https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1004960844231462913
https://twitter.com/KevinJPringle/status/1004851299886731271 0 -
she's just one of those preachy middle class I know whats best for you typesTykejohnno said:
since religion died in England we've gone from God botherers to just plain botherers
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No but a Calorie tax is an excellent proposal. Cake and tax it tooAlastairMeeks said:Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
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That's really cool.Morris_Dancer said:Not into Formula E especially, but this sounds like a fantastic idea:
https://twitter.com/FIAFormulaE/status/10050304245848678400 -
Was t it caused by a QE splurge anyway?MaxPB said:The data from Europe keeps getting worse.
German industrial production down 1% MoM, yearly growth down to just 2%. Construction down by 6.9% YoY. French industrial production down 0.5% MoM.
The Eurozone recovery turned out to be very short indeed.
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Yeah, always seemed like a cool guy. Very shocking.Theuniondivvie said:Bugger, quite liked him.
'CNN's Anthony Bourdain dead at 61'
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It’s more of an issue that - until recently - most US milk was made with cows that had been dosed with rBSTDecrepitJohnL said:
Yes but it is not specific to American milk -- it is just that everyone else is too far away.Pulpstar said:Does Canada really stick a 300% tariff on US dairy ?
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Mr. rkrkrk, it is indeed super cool. And I say that as someone not into Formula E, or online gaming, and who's only played a couple of F1 games.
It could even help the sport itself. If you've got a 13 year old who's very competitive, they might end up becoming either an e-sport star, or being diverted onto the path of actual motor racing.0 -
Snow -- the beast from the East -- would explain why construction is worst hit.Charles said:
Was t it caused by a QE splurge anyway?MaxPB said:The data from Europe keeps getting worse.
German industrial production down 1% MoM, yearly growth down to just 2%. Construction down by 6.9% YoY. French industrial production down 0.5% MoM.
The Eurozone recovery turned out to be very short indeed.
People forget that the US is unwinding QE, the U.K. is static at least and only the EU has the taps on0 -
But what about what she said?Alanbrooke said:
she's just one of those preachy middle class I know whats best for you typesTykejohnno said:
since religion died in England we've gone from God botherers to just plain botherers0 -
Very true Alan.Alanbrooke said:
she's just one of those preachy middle class I know whats best for you typesTykejohnno said:
since religion died in England we've gone from God botherers to just plain botherers
I remember wollaston just before the EU referendum jumping ship from leave to remain hoping to cause maximum damage.
Lucky the British public saw straight through her bull.0 -
Mr, Dancer, since you were asking the other day, the kind FIA have published everyone’s power unit component usage up until now. Renault and Ferrari are apparently making new ICEs available this weekend, but Mercedes have delayed theirs until the next event in France in a fortnight. Hamilton is still on the first of all his components.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. rkrkrk, it is indeed super cool. And I say that as someone not into Formula E, or online gaming, and who's only played a couple of F1 games.
It could even help the sport itself. If you've got a 13 year old who's very competitive, they might end up becoming either an e-sport star, or being diverted onto the path of actual motor racing.
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Crickey...
Anthony Bourdain has died aged 61. The popular US television personality - who had worked for CNN since 2013 - committed suicide in a hotel room in France where he was filming an upcoming episode of his TV series.
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Mr. Sandpit, cheers. Handy advantage for Hamilton. Is there not also a new Honda engine?0
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EasierBarnesian said:
The churn in the LibDem share is interesting too.Scott_P said:
On the surface the LibDems look to be static. 98 LibDems in today's weighted sample. 99 voted LibDem in 2017.
But the LibDems lost a net 15 to the Tories and gained a net 15 from Labour leaving them basically all square. Small sample of course. Why would they be losing to the Tories and gaining from Labour? If it is true, it explains 1% point of the gain in Tory share and loss in Labour share.
Right wing Remainers move from LD to Tories because of softer tone
Left wing Remainers realising Corbyn is a Leaver move to the Lib Dems
It’s only a small percentage of the population that cares enough about Brexit for it to drive their vote, but that group tends to be more politically engaged0 -
Got to be off, but shall return (probably). F1 practice starts at 3pm. I think.0
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Highly regressive tax.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
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Toby Young with some "helpful" advice for Labour Live...
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/how-to-cope-with-unsold-tickets-and-empty-halls-my-advice-to-owen-jones/0 -
Did you read the “apology”?!!TOPPING said:
Thing is, it is or was in the public domain when it happened,and he apologised for it then. There is I think an element of double jeopardy about dragging it up again to accuse him, even though, as the Buzzfeed article points out, that he says politicians should be responsible for their actions whenever they happened.rkrkrk said:
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.MaxPB said:
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...TheScreamingEagles said:
“If I had known you were working for a national newspaper I wouldn’t have been so forward”0 -
Yes, it’s surprising that only four cars, all Mercedes powered, are under par for PU component usage at this stage. Yes, I think there are new Honda engines for Canada too, but the table shows their reliability is still clearly the worst of the lot.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, cheers. Handy advantage for Hamilton. Is there not also a new Honda engine?
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If we want a progressive tax we should tax Twitter. £1 a tweetCharles said:
Highly regressive tax.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
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haha yes that was a shocker but howsoever he apologised, it's done and dusted in most people's minds IMO.Charles said:
Did you read the “apology”?!!TOPPING said:
Thing is, it is or was in the public domain when it happened,and he apologised for it then. There is I think an element of double jeopardy about dragging it up again to accuse him, even though, as the Buzzfeed article points out, that he says politicians should be responsible for their actions whenever they happened.rkrkrk said:
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.MaxPB said:
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...TheScreamingEagles said:
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Perhaps a lobster, truffle, caviar and champagne tax then?Charles said:
Highly regressive tax.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
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I left Zone 1... not the U.K.!Foxy said:
As one of the many PB Leavers who have left, I am surprised that you are surprised.Charles said:
So little faith in your countryfolkFoxy said:
On the other hand Davidson did get the Unionist voters who were amongst the 30% of Scots for Brexit.hamiltonace said:One of my swim team a young teacher just announced last night that she has quit her job and is going to Spain to work at a private school for less money. She mentioned Brexit and the general sxxt culture as the reason. The political discussion that followed showed a general gloom. The Scots think the English are talking to themselves as usual, ignoring everyone else and up their own a**e. In this environment only strong Scots will be supported.
The Ruth Davidson factor is still an important part of the final Brexit outcome. Without her support the Scottish Tory mps will not vote for the deal. People vote conservative here for Ruth and the union not for Brexit.
I share the gloom of your young teacher friend. The future of Britain looks grim, negative and unappealing. If I were a recent graduate I too would emigrate.
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Greetings from pre-dawn San Francisco. Happy to say that BA have upgraded their business class service. So much better than it was last time I flew with them.
In other news, I see that Oh, Jeremy Corbyn continues to guarantee the worst government of my lifetime perpetual power. Lovely to think that, thanks to the far left, deceitful, xenophobic charlatans like Johnson, Rees Mogg and co will be shaping my childrens’ futures.0 -
Avocado tax.HYUFD said:
Perhaps a lobster, truffle, caviar and champagne tax then?Charles said:
Highly regressive tax.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
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Zone 1 is basically a mini United Nations of the world's super rich anywayCharles said:
I left Zone 1... not the U.K.!Foxy said:
As one of the many PB Leavers who have left, I am surprised that you are surprised.Charles said:
So little faith in your countryfolkFoxy said:
On the other hand Davidson did get the Unionist voters who were amongst the 30% of Scots for Brexit.hamiltonace said:One of my swim team a young teacher just announced last night that she has quit her job and is going to Spain to work at a private school for less money. She mentioned Brexit and the general sxxt culture as the reason. The political discussion that followed showed a general gloom. The Scots think the English are talking to themselves as usual, ignoring everyone else and up their own a**e. In this environment only strong Scots will be supported.
The Ruth Davidson factor is still an important part of the final Brexit outcome. Without her support the Scottish Tory mps will not vote for the deal. People vote conservative here for Ruth and the union not for Brexit.
I share the gloom of your young teacher friend. The future of Britain looks grim, negative and unappealing. If I were a recent graduate I too would emigrate.
Wanted to get out of the bubble0 -
That too and add guacomale as well, after all only the likes of Mandelson could confuse it with mushy peasSandyRentool said:
Avocado tax.HYUFD said:
Perhaps a lobster, truffle, caviar and champagne tax then?Charles said:
Highly regressive tax.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well0 -
"...far left, deceitful, xenophobic charlatans like Johnson..."SouthamObserver said:Greetings from pre-dawn San Francisco. Happy to say that BA have upgraded their business class service. So much better than it was last time I flew with them.
In other news, I see that Oh, Jeremy Corbyn continues to guarantee the worst government of my lifetime perpetual power. Lovely to think that, thanks to the far left, deceitful, xenophobic charlatans like Johnson, Rees Mogg and co will be shaping my childrens’ futures.
So now we know - he is a deep-cover North Korean agent!0 -
Most people won’t have heard about it and it won’t get traction in the mediaTOPPING said:
haha yes that was a shocker but howsoever he apologised, it's done and dusted in most people's minds IMO.Charles said:
Did you read the “apology”?!!TOPPING said:
Thing is, it is or was in the public domain when it happened,and he apologised for it then. There is I think an element of double jeopardy about dragging it up again to accuse him, even though, as the Buzzfeed article points out, that he says politicians should be responsible for their actions whenever they happened.rkrkrk said:
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.MaxPB said:
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...TheScreamingEagles said:
“If I had known you were working for a national newspaper I wouldn’t have been so forward”0 -
That’s fine. Don’t like lobster and champagbe anywayHYUFD said:
Perhaps a lobster, truffle, caviar and champagne tax then?Charles said:
Highly regressive tax.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well0 -
Whisper it - but a bit more loudly - the Tories don`t have a clue either.felix said:J. Forsyth: The disconnect between the mood at Westminster, where nearly all Tories--regardless of where they stand on Brexit--are very worried, and the polls is really quite striking
Whisper it - the pundits have not got a clue.0 -
What a man of the people you are!Charles said:
That’s fine. Don’t like lobster and champagbe anywayHYUFD said:
Perhaps a lobster, truffle, caviar and champagne tax then?Charles said:
Highly regressive tax.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well0 -
It’s been fascinating to watch Argyll Road over the last 40 yearsHYUFD said:
Zone 1 is basically a mini United Nations of the world's super rich anywayCharles said:
I left Zone 1... not the U.K.!Foxy said:
As one of the many PB Leavers who have left, I am surprised that you are surprised.Charles said:
So little faith in your countryfolkFoxy said:
On the other hand Davidson did get the Unionist voters who were amongst the 30% of Scots for Brexit.hamiltonace said:One of my swim team a young teacher just announced last night that she has quit her job and is going to Spain to work at a private school for less money. She mentioned Brexit and the general sxxt culture as the reason. The political discussion that followed showed a general gloom. The Scots think the English are talking to themselves as usual, ignoring everyone else and up their own a**e. In this environment only strong Scots will be supported.
The Ruth Davidson factor is still an important part of the final Brexit outcome. Without her support the Scottish Tory mps will not vote for the deal. People vote conservative here for Ruth and the union not for Brexit.
I share the gloom of your young teacher friend. The future of Britain looks grim, negative and unappealing. If I were a recent graduate I too would emigrate.
Wanted to get out of the bubble
Originally doctors and architects
Then lawyers
The bankers
Then hedgies
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Very representative of his constituency, HartlepoolHYUFD said:
That too and add guacomale as well, after all only the likes of Mandelson could confuse it with mushy peasSandyRentool said:
Avocado tax.HYUFD said:
Perhaps a lobster, truffle, caviar and champagne tax then?Charles said:
Highly regressive tax.Benpointer said:
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Clipp, all parties are broad churches. If you only stay in a party that thinks precisely as you do, that's more of a cult.
That said, Wollaston's a hectoring nanny state puritanical meddler. She's not exactly a splendid advert for the party herself. As a silly commentator suggested:
https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1003550076097134592
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7p8hfaVz6E0
