Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
The aspect that never seems to be mentioned is the assumption that the opinion poll figures for the Scottish Greens and UKIP will be achieved at a general election. The Greens are unlikely to put up more than a token few candidates, like they did in 2017 when achieving 0.2% of the vote, as did UKIP who are now a busted flush.
This leaves a crucial 2-2.5% of the vote share up for grabs.
As the sweet spot for the SNP starts at about a 40% SNP/26.5% Con/25% Lab split, picking the low hanging fruit could deliver them 40-45 seats and crucially, a renewed mandate to keep Indyref 2 on the agenda.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
Sounds pretty expensive! A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
If we eat celery do we get a rebate?
Haha - no, but it's tax free!
The problem is it would be absolubtely brutal on a family of four with say a couple of 11 year old kids where there is a household income of ~ £30k. It's the poll tax by another name
We await Justin, Surby and other Labour analysis with interest. Not much sign here of the Scottish Corbyn breakthrough we heard so much about a few months ago.
Polls in Scotland have been overstating SNP support levels for several years now. Also the crossbreak for Scotland in the most recent national poll came up with SNP 38 Lab 30 Con 26.
ROFL - we resort to sub-sample against a national Scottish poll. Null points for effort.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
I find it odd that the Tories are increasing their poll lead, if polls are to be believed. They seem to me to be an absolute shower but maybe most people don’t follow the ins and outs much.
One word of caution though: Corbyn is a good campaigner and quite shameless when it comes to offering all sorts of goodies as we saw last year so even if the polls are right now we should not assume that they will stay this way during a GE. And by then something will have happened with Brexit, though I haven’t the faintest idea what.
Anyway well done to @JosiasJessop for his walks, though he should really get to the Lakes. Some wonderful walks here.
(Snip)
Thanks. I quite like the Lakes, but it's a little too far away from me to go to regularly. It also seems to rain whenever I'm there ...
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
Sounds pretty expensive! A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.
Also worth remembering the popularity of Sturgeon, Davidson and Leonard are not judged on the same basis.
Nicola is being judged on her performance as First Minister, whereas Ruth and Richard (as a political nerd I do know about him) are only being judged on leading their party group.
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.
Thing is, it is or was in the public domain when it happened,and he apologised for it then. There is I think an element of double jeopardy about dragging it up again to accuse him, even though, as the Buzzfeed article points out, that he says politicians should be responsible for their actions whenever they happened.
Ah - apologies, I didn't read the article. I think you're probably right about double jeopardy.
The eagerness of some for puritanical meddling is beyond me. (In related news, I need to gain some weight).
It's not really about nannying people. Tbh if individuals want to eat (or drink, or smoke, or drug) themselves to an early grave, that's up to them. It's about covering the cost of their choices on our shared health services.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
Sounds pretty expensive! A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.
The aspect that never seems to be mentioned is the assumption that the opinion poll figures for the Scottish Greens and UKIP will be achieved at a general election. The Greens are unlikely to put up more than a token few candidates, like they did in 2017 when achieving 0.2% of the vote, as did UKIP who are now a busted flush.
This leaves a crucial 2-2.5% of the vote share up for grabs.
As the sweet spot for the SNP starts at about a 40% SNP/26.5% Con/25% Lab split, picking the low hanging fruit could deliver them 40-45 seats and crucially, a renewed mandate to keep Indyref 2 on the agenda.
The next general election is irrelevant to indyref2 as the next Holyrood election is due the year before and on today's Yougov would produce a unionist majority
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
Sounds pretty expensive! A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.
They could always eat a bit less.
They're eating 1917 calories per day each on these sums. That's below average.
Mr. Pointer, are you going to charge people for doing charity sky diving for the NHS? According to QI (admittedly, not impeccable) the costs of treating resultant injuries exceeds the money raised.
Will mountain climbers be taxed?
How far does the green-eyed taxman's reach extend, in your perfect world?
Perhaps a sugar tax is unfair because it targets those with a sweet tooth as opposed to other gastronomic weaknesses. But the government is never going to be entirely fair in what it puts sin taxes on. I don't really see it as nanny statism. These taxes have been bringing in less money in recent years.
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.
No they won't this is 1 allegation 18 years ago and Democrats rallied around Bill Clinton for far worse
Bill Clinton was a different era. The tolerance now is much lower - especially for a politician like Trudeau who goes on about being a feminist etc. That said - I didn't realise the allegations had surfaced already, which i think does limit their impact.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
Sounds pretty expensive! A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.
Or changing their eating habits.
Let them eat asparagus.
Even then I think fresh food tends to be more expensive than processed without the tax so there will be a significant increase in food expenditure... I don't think the idea is workable at that level of taxation, it will hit the poor too hard.
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.
No they won't this is 1 allegation 18 years ago and Democrats rallied around Bill Clinton for far worse
Bill Clinton was a different era. The tolerance now is much lower - especially for a politician like Trudeau who goes on about being a feminist etc. That said - I didn't realise the allegations had surfaced already, which i think does limit their impact.
There is a difference for Weinstein scale allegations but sexual allegations tend to not make much difference as most voters are tribal and will rally around their candidate.
As you state it was reported in the press at the time anyway and has just resurfaced, it is nothing new
On the surface the LibDems look to be static. 98 LibDems in today's weighted sample. 99 voted LibDem in 2017.
But the LibDems lost a net 15 to the Tories and gained a net 15 from Labour leaving them basically all square. Small sample of course. Why would they be losing to the Tories and gaining from Labour? If it is true, it explains 1% point of the gain in Tory share and loss in Labour share.
Leave Lib Dems moving to Conservative and
Remain Labour moving to Lib Dem
Result - Lib Dems becoming more social liberal and less economic liberal
@Benpointer I think a modified version of your proposed calorie tax could work - instead of simply taking all the revenue from high calorie foods, balance it up by subsidising foods of lower calorific density (vegetables basically). That way healthy eating families wouldn't be clobbered.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
£44.76. An extreme example, but it contains the average person's calorie requrements for 23 days.
Pity the poor customs officers having to get the latex gloves out to check whether pensioners were trying to smuggle in Werther's Originals.
57p calorie tax on a 135g pack by my reckoning. Not sure it's going to start a trend in 'chews-cruises' tbh.
How does a hard working family with both mum and Dad employed as NHS auxilliaries afford this ?
Well for a start some of the money raised could go towards paying NHS staff better.
I acknowledge it's a regressive tax, like VAT (which of course is not currently charged on food). As such I'd see it alongside other measures to support those on lower incomes.
Also I quickly plucked out a rate of 0.1p per kCal from thin air to do the maths. We don'e need to raise £64bn to boost the NHS - a rate of 0.015p (£0.00015) per kCal giving £9bn would be sufficient to cover the proijected costs of obesity
That would be a circa 10% increase on average food bills (assuming people don't eat less or eat more healthily.)
@Benpointer I think a modified version of your proposed calorie tax could work - instead of simply taking all the revenue from high calorie foods, balance it up by subsidising foods of lower calorific density (vegetables basically). That way healthy eating families wouldn't be clobbered.
Yes I like that. I am sure their Lordships will suitably review and amend my bill when it comes before them
Mr. Pointer, are you going to charge people for doing charity sky diving for the NHS? According to QI (admittedly, not impeccable) the costs of treating resultant injuries exceeds the money raised.
Will mountain climbers be taxed?
How far does the green-eyed taxman's reach extend, in your perfect world?
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
Sounds pretty expensive! A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.
Or changing their eating habits.
Let them eat asparagus.
Even then I think fresh food tends to be more expensive than processed without the tax so there will be a significant increase in food expenditure... I don't think the idea is workable at that level of taxation, it will hit the poor too hard.
The less well educated people are too short of time/lazy to prepare meals from fresh food. Also they snack.
We await Justin, Surby and other Labour analysis with interest. Not much sign here of the Scottish Corbyn breakthrough we heard so much about a few months ago.
Polls in Scotland have been overstating SNP support levels for several years now. Also the crossbreak for Scotland in the most recent national poll came up with SNP 38 Lab 30 Con 26.
I forget, is it over 20 or over 25 seats that you think SLab are going to gain at the next GE?
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
All packaged food. Fresh food doesn't have to - but that could be a good exemption then.
However there's "good" and "bad" calories.
EDIT: Sadly while your idea is reasonable in theory I can just imagine it won't be long before some nanny from the other extreme starts screaming about how the government is encouraging bulimia and anorexia.
I like your fresh food exemption. I agree some calorie dense foods (olive oil?) are better than others (white sugar) but to keep it simple just tax all calories the same.
Maybe some of the funds raised could go to boost support for eating disorders.
A tax of 0.1p per kCal would raise about £64bn pa and cost each person £2.70 per day if I have got my maths right. (Edit: a bit less given the fresh food exemption.)
Sounds pretty expensive! A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.
They could always eat a bit less.
They're eating 1917 calories per day each on these sums. That's below average.
The eagerness of some for puritanical meddling is beyond me. (In related news, I need to gain some weight).
It's not really about nannying people. Tbh if individuals want to eat (or drink, or smoke, or drug) themselves to an early grave, that's up to them. It's about covering the cost of their choices on our shared health services.
The eagerness of some for puritanical meddling is beyond me. (In related news, I need to gain some weight).
It's not really about nannying people. Tbh if individuals want to eat (or drink, or smoke, or drug) themselves to an early grave, that's up to them. It's about covering the cost of their choices on our shared health services.
One of my swim team a young teacher just announced last night that she has quit her job and is going to Spain to work at a private school for less money. She mentioned Brexit and the general sxxt culture as the reason. The political discussion that followed showed a general gloom. The Scots think the English are talking to themselves as usual, ignoring everyone else and up their own a**e. In this environment only strong Scots will be supported.
The Ruth Davidson factor is still an important part of the final Brexit outcome. Without her support the Scottish Tory mps will not vote for the deal. People vote conservative here for Ruth and the union not for Brexit.
On the other hand Davidson did get the Unionist voters who were amongst the 30% of Scots for Brexit.
I share the gloom of your young teacher friend. The future of Britain looks grim, negative and unappealing. If I were a recent graduate I too would emigrate.
On the first poll: people in NI will vote to keep the NHS. Shocker.
On the second: one begins to despair when so many people think the Scottish economy would fare better under independence. Many are reasoning that Brexit will be such a shambles that Scotland should stay out of it, of course, but they are too stupid to realise what having Scotland inside the CU and England outside would do to Scotland. I wonder how many realise that an independent Scotland inside the EU would NOT control its own borders, and would NOT be allowed to trade freely with England? (Nor, when jungle-like settlements built up north of the Tweed, would they be able to demand successfully that England open its borders.) Many Scottish nationalists are so infantile and drunk on sunshine that they don't realise EU membership brings responsibilities.
You can almost hear a few very well-connected people in both NI and Scotland salivating at the thought of benefiting from the opportunities that Armageddon will bring.
Lol, 'jungle-like settlements built up north of the Tweed'!
Only 102 posts in and already well versed in the dumbass memes practiced 100s of times on PB - fast work.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
£44.76. An extreme example, but it contains the average person's calorie requrements for 23 days.
Pity the poor customs officers having to get the latex gloves out to check whether pensioners were trying to smuggle in Werther's Originals.
57p calorie tax on a 135g pack by my reckoning. Not sure it's going to start a trend in 'chews-cruises' tbh.
How does a hard working family with both mum and Dad employed as NHS auxilliaries afford this ?
Well for a start some of the money raised could go towards paying NHS staff better.
I acknowledge it's a regressive tax, like VAT (which of course is not currently charged on food). As such I'd see it alongside other measures to support those on lower incomes.
Also I quickly plucked out a rate of 0.1p per kCal from thin air to do the maths. We don'e need to raise £64bn to boost the NHS - a rate of 0.015p (£0.00015) per kCal giving £9bn would be sufficient to cover the proijected costs of obesity
That would be a circa 10% increase on average food bills (assuming people don't eat less or eat more healthily.)
Since exercise is the other side of the equation (the more exercise you do, the less the heath problems from eating nice things), can I get a tax rebate? Firstly I walk a great deal myself, and I've also encouraged many others to go out for a walk. (Mainly by entering a room)
Well given the Tories have become the part of remain who would be surprised by that?
Tory Remain Voters gain
Well at the moment Tories are holding on Leavers and gaining Remainers.
Leave voters haven't realized they are being sold down the river and there's no genuine Brexit Party to vote for at the moment anyway,
I'm sure both those things won't last much longer...
Leave voters currently have nowhere to go.
In which case they simply won't vote.
I'd suggest that for most 'Leave' (and 'Remain') voters, Brexit is not their sole reason for voting in a GE, and for many it's not likely to be in the top half-a-dozen reasons for voting.
We are an odd Brexit-obsessed minority on PB.
In Scotland the SNP lost the vote on independence but did not disappear as expected but got stronger. Labour and Lib Dems dithered and the Tories took a big chunk of the unionist vote. This allowed them to move from the 4th party in Scotland to a strong 2nd.
I am surprised that the Lib Dems have not done better so far in England. Their position is logical.
BoJo is completely right, of course. A Mad Hatter approach - fuck you, we're capable of anything, look I have a knife, and I will cut off my own testicles, AND your nose, HAH - would have been better than May's cautious, turgid, idiotic Red Line which is then immediately crossed approach.
The EU is mugging us. If a blade-flashing mugger is about to mug you, the best bet is to make yourself look so loony and weird and dangerous he think it ain't worth the uncertainty and risk: is he armed too? Why is he acting so strangely? (...)
We should have Trumped the EU. Too late now.
You're buying in to Trump's self-description. He went bankrupt several times. It won't end well.
What do you mean by "too late now"?
And can you specify some British testicles that Britain can threaten to cut off? When I did, Richard Tyndall said I was coming over as "utterly deranged". They include peace in Ireland, British sovereignty over NI, British sovereignty over Scotland, and uninterrupted food supply:
I do wonder how far the Brexit lunacy can go. When the present stage of dogwhistling stops, the following will take its place:
* F*** the Irish border; we want Brexit; * F*** empty shelves in Aldi and Lidl; we want Brexit; * F*** whether or not we keep NI; we want Brexit; * F*** whether or not we keep Scotland; we want Brexit; * F*** a collapse of the food and retail banking systems; everyone who's anyone has got a home or three abroad; * F*** the left, the chavs, schoolteachers, and gentlemen of a Windrush and Oriental persuasion; we're going to remove kebab.
Then there's the question of what will serve as the EU's "nose". The most available "nose" has got to be in the financial system somewhere.
You forgot to mention the plague of locusts and the collapse of Western civilization.
@Benpointer I think a modified version of your proposed calorie tax could work - instead of simply taking all the revenue from high calorie foods, balance it up by subsidising foods of lower calorific density (vegetables basically). That way healthy eating families wouldn't be clobbered.
Yes I like that. I am sure their Lordships will suitably review and amend my bill when it comes before them
Perhaps a sugar tax is unfair because it targets those with a sweet tooth as opposed to other gastronomic weaknesses. But the government is never going to be entirely fair in what it puts sin taxes on. I don't really see it as nanny statism. These taxes have been bringing in less money in recent years.
I don't get why nanny state taxes are worse than employment taxes, which everyone accepts. Better to tax bad things than good things.
I have no clear idea as to what might be happening re-the national polls at the moment. Prima facie it seems a bit odd. On the other hand, the Tories may be benefitting from something akin to 'the party conference' effect in that parties tend to receive a polling boost at conference time to a large extent because other parties are frozen out of media coverage etc.
Perhaps a sugar tax is unfair because it targets those with a sweet tooth as opposed to other gastronomic weaknesses. But the government is never going to be entirely fair in what it puts sin taxes on. I don't really see it as nanny statism. These taxes have been bringing in less money in recent years.
I don't get why nanny state taxes are worse than employment taxes, which everyone accepts. Better to tax bad things than good things.
But most of the advocates for taxes on the bad things see them as additions to, rather than replacements for, the taxes on good things.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
£44.76. An extreme example, but it contains the average person's calorie requrements for 23 days.
Pity the poor customs officers having to get the latex gloves out to check whether pensioners were trying to smuggle in Werther's Originals.
57p calorie tax on a 135g pack by my reckoning. Not sure it's going to start a trend in 'chews-cruises' tbh.
How does a hard working family with both mum and Dad employed as NHS auxilliaries afford this ?
Well for a start some of the money raised could go towards paying NHS staff better.
I acknowledge it's a regressive tax, like VAT (which of course is not currently charged on food). As such I'd see it alongside other measures to support those on lower incomes.
Also I quickly plucked out a rate of 0.1p per kCal from thin air to do the maths. We don'e need to raise £64bn to boost the NHS - a rate of 0.015p (£0.00015) per kCal giving £9bn would be sufficient to cover the proijected costs of obesity
That would be a circa 10% increase on average food bills (assuming people don't eat less or eat more healthily.)
Since exercise is the other side of the equation (the more exercise you do, the less the heath problems from eating nice things), can I get a tax rebate? Firstly I walk a great deal myself, and I've also encouraged many others to go out for a walk. (Mainly by entering a room)
Just saw your website on last night’s thread. An awesome achievement, not only in all the walking but in taking the time to document everything you’ve done.
The cabinet are openly divided and all the news is about how badly Brexit is going, even from the pro brexit side. How on that situation do they rise?
Electorate saying “we’ve given you a tough gig and Barnier is beating you with a shitty stick but we appreciate your efforts so have some moral support”?
One of my swim team a young teacher just announced last night that she has quit her job and is going to Spain to work at a private school for less money. She mentioned Brexit and the general sxxt culture as the reason. The political discussion that followed showed a general gloom. The Scots think the English are talking to themselves as usual, ignoring everyone else and up their own a**e. In this environment only strong Scots will be supported.
The Ruth Davidson factor is still an important part of the final Brexit outcome. Without her support the Scottish Tory mps will not vote for the deal. People vote conservative here for Ruth and the union not for Brexit.
On the other hand Davidson did get the Unionist voters who were amongst the 30% of Scots for Brexit.
I share the gloom of your young teacher friend. The future of Britain looks grim, negative and unappealing. If I were a recent graduate I too would emigrate.
So little faith in your countryfolk
As one of the many PB Leavers who have left, I am surprised that you are surprised.
So despite endless trawling you still find every new poll backing staying in the UK in both Scotland and NI and of course the SNP is projected to use its Holyrood majority with the Greens with yougov today too
You seem a little garbled. Some punctuation and syntax please.
Those are symbols of the Liberal elite!
If you join all of the full stops on Page 7 of today's Guardian it reveals a secret map showing the location of the most pretentious coffee shop in Camden.
Mr. rkrkrk, it is indeed super cool. And I say that as someone not into Formula E, or online gaming, and who's only played a couple of F1 games.
It could even help the sport itself. If you've got a 13 year old who's very competitive, they might end up becoming either an e-sport star, or being diverted onto the path of actual motor racing.
Mr. rkrkrk, it is indeed super cool. And I say that as someone not into Formula E, or online gaming, and who's only played a couple of F1 games.
It could even help the sport itself. If you've got a 13 year old who's very competitive, they might end up becoming either an e-sport star, or being diverted onto the path of actual motor racing.
Mr, Dancer, since you were asking the other day, the kind FIA have published everyone’s power unit component usage up until now. Renault and Ferrari are apparently making new ICEs available this weekend, but Mercedes have delayed theirs until the next event in France in a fortnight. Hamilton is still on the first of all his components. https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/18522
Anthony Bourdain has died aged 61. The popular US television personality - who had worked for CNN since 2013 - committed suicide in a hotel room in France where he was filming an upcoming episode of his TV series.
His Parts Unknown Series on CNN was really rather good.
On the surface the LibDems look to be static. 98 LibDems in today's weighted sample. 99 voted LibDem in 2017.
But the LibDems lost a net 15 to the Tories and gained a net 15 from Labour leaving them basically all square. Small sample of course. Why would they be losing to the Tories and gaining from Labour? If it is true, it explains 1% point of the gain in Tory share and loss in Labour share.
Easier
Right wing Remainers move from LD to Tories because of softer tone
Left wing Remainers realising Corbyn is a Leaver move to the Lib Dems
It’s only a small percentage of the population that cares enough about Brexit for it to drive their vote, but that group tends to be more politically engaged
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
Highly regressive tax.
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.
Thing is, it is or was in the public domain when it happened,and he apologised for it then. There is I think an element of double jeopardy about dragging it up again to accuse him, even though, as the Buzzfeed article points out, that he says politicians should be responsible for their actions whenever they happened.
Did you read the “apology”?!!
“If I had known you were working for a national newspaper I wouldn’t have been so forward”
Mr. Sandpit, cheers. Handy advantage for Hamilton. Is there not also a new Honda engine?
Yes, it’s surprising that only four cars, all Mercedes powered, are under par for PU component usage at this stage. Yes, I think there are new Honda engines for Canada too, but the table shows their reliability is still clearly the worst of the lot.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
Highly regressive tax.
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well
If we want a progressive tax we should tax Twitter. £1 a tweet
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.
Thing is, it is or was in the public domain when it happened,and he apologised for it then. There is I think an element of double jeopardy about dragging it up again to accuse him, even though, as the Buzzfeed article points out, that he says politicians should be responsible for their actions whenever they happened.
Did you read the “apology”?!!
“If I had known you were working for a national newspaper I wouldn’t have been so forward”
haha yes that was a shocker but howsoever he apologised, it's done and dusted in most people's minds IMO.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
Highly regressive tax.
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well
Perhaps a lobster, truffle, caviar and champagne tax then?
One of my swim team a young teacher just announced last night that she has quit her job and is going to Spain to work at a private school for less money. She mentioned Brexit and the general sxxt culture as the reason. The political discussion that followed showed a general gloom. The Scots think the English are talking to themselves as usual, ignoring everyone else and up their own a**e. In this environment only strong Scots will be supported.
The Ruth Davidson factor is still an important part of the final Brexit outcome. Without her support the Scottish Tory mps will not vote for the deal. People vote conservative here for Ruth and the union not for Brexit.
On the other hand Davidson did get the Unionist voters who were amongst the 30% of Scots for Brexit.
I share the gloom of your young teacher friend. The future of Britain looks grim, negative and unappealing. If I were a recent graduate I too would emigrate.
So little faith in your countryfolk
As one of the many PB Leavers who have left, I am surprised that you are surprised.
Greetings from pre-dawn San Francisco. Happy to say that BA have upgraded their business class service. So much better than it was last time I flew with them.
In other news, I see that Oh, Jeremy Corbyn continues to guarantee the worst government of my lifetime perpetual power. Lovely to think that, thanks to the far left, deceitful, xenophobic charlatans like Johnson, Rees Mogg and co will be shaping my childrens’ futures.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
Highly regressive tax.
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well
Perhaps a lobster, truffle, caviar and champagne tax then?
One of my swim team a young teacher just announced last night that she has quit her job and is going to Spain to work at a private school for less money. She mentioned Brexit and the general sxxt culture as the reason. The political discussion that followed showed a general gloom. The Scots think the English are talking to themselves as usual, ignoring everyone else and up their own a**e. In this environment only strong Scots will be supported.
The Ruth Davidson factor is still an important part of the final Brexit outcome. Without her support the Scottish Tory mps will not vote for the deal. People vote conservative here for Ruth and the union not for Brexit.
On the other hand Davidson did get the Unionist voters who were amongst the 30% of Scots for Brexit.
I share the gloom of your young teacher friend. The future of Britain looks grim, negative and unappealing. If I were a recent graduate I too would emigrate.
So little faith in your countryfolk
As one of the many PB Leavers who have left, I am surprised that you are surprised.
I left Zone 1... not the U.K.!
Wanted to get out of the bubble
Zone 1 is basically a mini United Nations of the world's super rich anyway
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
Highly regressive tax.
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well
Perhaps a lobster, truffle, caviar and champagne tax then?
Avocado tax.
That too and add guacomale as well, after all only the likes of Mandelson could confuse it with mushy peas
Greetings from pre-dawn San Francisco. Happy to say that BA have upgraded their business class service. So much better than it was last time I flew with them.
In other news, I see that Oh, Jeremy Corbyn continues to guarantee the worst government of my lifetime perpetual power. Lovely to think that, thanks to the far left, deceitful, xenophobic charlatans like Johnson, Rees Mogg and co will be shaping my childrens’ futures.
"...far left, deceitful, xenophobic charlatans like Johnson..."
So now we know - he is a deep-cover North Korean agent!
Well Trump grabbed 'em by the p**** and got away with it...
Trump supporters don't care, but Trudeau supporters really will.
Thing is, it is or was in the public domain when it happened,and he apologised for it then. There is I think an element of double jeopardy about dragging it up again to accuse him, even though, as the Buzzfeed article points out, that he says politicians should be responsible for their actions whenever they happened.
Did you read the “apology”?!!
“If I had known you were working for a national newspaper I wouldn’t have been so forward”
haha yes that was a shocker but howsoever he apologised, it's done and dusted in most people's minds IMO.
Most people won’t have heard about it and it won’t get traction in the media
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
Highly regressive tax.
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well
Perhaps a lobster, truffle, caviar and champagne tax then?
That’s fine. Don’t like lobster and champagbe anyway
J. Forsyth: The disconnect between the mood at Westminster, where nearly all Tories--regardless of where they stand on Brexit--are very worried, and the polls is really quite striking
Whisper it - the pundits have not got a clue.
Whisper it - but a bit more loudly - the Tories don`t have a clue either.
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
Highly regressive tax.
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well
Perhaps a lobster, truffle, caviar and champagne tax then?
That’s fine. Don’t like lobster and champagbe anyway
One of my swim team a young teacher just announced last night that she has quit her job and is going to Spain to work at a private school for less money. She mentioned Brexit and the general sxxt culture as the reason. The political discussion that followed showed a general gloom. The Scots think the English are talking to themselves as usual, ignoring everyone else and up their own a**e. In this environment only strong Scots will be supported.
The Ruth Davidson factor is still an important part of the final Brexit outcome. Without her support the Scottish Tory mps will not vote for the deal. People vote conservative here for Ruth and the union not for Brexit.
On the other hand Davidson did get the Unionist voters who were amongst the 30% of Scots for Brexit.
I share the gloom of your young teacher friend. The future of Britain looks grim, negative and unappealing. If I were a recent graduate I too would emigrate.
So little faith in your countryfolk
As one of the many PB Leavers who have left, I am surprised that you are surprised.
I left Zone 1... not the U.K.!
Wanted to get out of the bubble
Zone 1 is basically a mini United Nations of the world's super rich anyway
It’s been fascinating to watch Argyll Road over the last 40 years
Originally doctors and architects Then lawyers The bankers Then hedgies Now only oligarchs can afford it
Haha, very good. However, I do think we should tax all food calories - to help pay for the cost of obesity on health services. Not just sugar, all calories. It would be easy to implement since pretty much all food has to display its calories now.
Highly regressive tax.
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well
Perhaps a lobster, truffle, caviar and champagne tax then?
Avocado tax.
That too and add guacomale as well, after all only the likes of Mandelson could confuse it with mushy peas
Very representative of his constituency, Hartlepool
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The Greens are unlikely to put up more than a token few candidates, like they did in 2017 when achieving 0.2% of the vote, as did UKIP who are now a busted flush.
This leaves a crucial 2-2.5% of the vote share up for grabs.
As the sweet spot for the SNP starts at about a 40% SNP/26.5% Con/25% Lab split, picking the low hanging fruit could deliver them 40-45 seats and crucially, a renewed mandate to keep Indyref 2 on the agenda.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/08/donald-trump-beliefs-what-matters-fatalism-218663
Trump quotes:
"What will be will be", "We'll see", “Nothing scares me. Nothing,” he answered. “I’m a great fatalist—whatever happens, happens, and you just have to go along with it.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/08/donald-trump-beliefs-what-matters-fatalism-218663
"Trump is giving voice to one of the least talked-about but most abiding convictions of his long, loud, public life—his unambiguous belief in the inherent meaningless of human existence, and his repeated self-identification as a fatalist."
A family of 5 looking at paying an extra 3 and half grand a year.
Nicola is being judged on her performance as First Minister, whereas Ruth and Richard (as a political nerd I do know about him) are only being judged on leading their party group.
It's not really about nannying people. Tbh if individuals want to eat (or drink, or smoke, or drug) themselves to an early grave, that's up to them. It's about covering the cost of their choices on our shared health services.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/health-matters-obesity-and-the-food-environment/health-matters-obesity-and-the-food-environment--2
Or changing their eating habits.
Let them eat asparagus.
Will mountain climbers be taxed?
How far does the green-eyed taxman's reach extend, in your perfect world?
As you state it was reported in the press at the time anyway and has just resurfaced, it is nothing new
Remain Labour moving to Lib Dem
Result - Lib Dems becoming more social liberal and less economic liberal
I acknowledge it's a regressive tax, like VAT (which of course is not currently charged on food). As such I'd see it alongside other measures to support those on lower incomes.
Also I quickly plucked out a rate of 0.1p per kCal from thin air to do the maths. We don'e need to raise £64bn to boost the NHS - a rate of 0.015p (£0.00015) per kCal giving £9bn would be sufficient to cover the proijected costs of obesity
That would be a circa 10% increase on average food bills (assuming people don't eat less or eat more healthily.)
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scots-food-industry-chiefs-audrey-4114102
Not that far - now stop being so silly!
The less well educated people are too short of time/lazy to prepare meals from fresh food. Also they snack.
Result - obesity
Only 102 posts in and already well versed in the dumbass memes practiced 100s of times on PB - fast work.
the electorate are emotional.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/11615756/Tall-men-earn-more-are-more-attractive-and-have-healthier-hearts.html
https://twitter.com/FIAFormulaE/status/1005030424584867840
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article177185002/Sebastian-Kurz-Kein-Platz-fuer-Parallelgesellschaften-Oesterreich-schliesst-sieben-Moscheen.html
LAB: 37% (-2)
LDEM: 8% (-1)
UKIP: 3% (-)
GRN: 3% (+1)
via @YouGov, 04 - 05 Jun
Time for a GE?
https://t.co/KW9rubdlR0
'CNN's Anthony Bourdain dead at 61'
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/anthony-bourdain-obit/index.html
since religion died in England we've gone from God botherers to just plain botherers
People forget that the US is unwinding QE, the U.K. is static at least and only the EU has the taps on
It could even help the sport itself. If you've got a 13 year old who's very competitive, they might end up becoming either an e-sport star, or being diverted onto the path of actual motor racing.
I remember wollaston just before the EU referendum jumping ship from leave to remain hoping to cause maximum damage.
Lucky the British public saw straight through her bull.
https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/18522
Anthony Bourdain has died aged 61. The popular US television personality - who had worked for CNN since 2013 - committed suicide in a hotel room in France where he was filming an upcoming episode of his TV series.
His Parts Unknown Series on CNN was really rather good.
Right wing Remainers move from LD to Tories because of softer tone
Left wing Remainers realising Corbyn is a Leaver move to the Lib Dems
It’s only a small percentage of the population that cares enough about Brexit for it to drive their vote, but that group tends to be more politically engaged
Food is a larger part of poorer people’s budgets and they (in general) eat less healthily as well
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/how-to-cope-with-unsold-tickets-and-empty-halls-my-advice-to-owen-jones/
“If I had known you were working for a national newspaper I wouldn’t have been so forward”
Wanted to get out of the bubble
In other news, I see that Oh, Jeremy Corbyn continues to guarantee the worst government of my lifetime perpetual power. Lovely to think that, thanks to the far left, deceitful, xenophobic charlatans like Johnson, Rees Mogg and co will be shaping my childrens’ futures.
So now we know - he is a deep-cover North Korean agent!
Originally doctors and architects
Then lawyers
The bankers
Then hedgies
Now only oligarchs can afford it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7p8hfaVz6E