DavidL said:

ydoethur said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Just seen the Telegraph front page, on which Corbyn apparently has called for Ireland to be united. Hmm, frankly. Reminds me of that buffoon (his name escapes me, alas) from Labour who kept wibbling about giving Gibraltar to Spain.

Peter Hain? (He's also the one who called Lisbon a 'tidying up exercise,' so I was a bit surprised to see the claim on a previous thread that the Labour minister in question had subsequently been convicted of fraud.)

The SQA has once again covered itself in glory by giving a source piece which got the date of death of Mary Queen of Scots wrong by 20 years in the National 5 this year, claiming it happened in 1567. Children (at least those who noticed) were allegedly deeply traumatised which may say even more about how their educational experience is preparing them for life. It seems incredible to me that this sort of thing is not picked up.

You're joking, surely? I mean if even Wikipedia can get that right...

At least however they probably have marking criteria. Ours is still provisional and the exam is a week on Monday.

Edit - shit, you're not. That's really, really poor:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/pupils-upset-after-exam-board-s-blunder-over-mary-queen-of-scots-1-4742945

I think I know what happened actually. Google shows the first paragraph of her Wiki entry, which says she 'reigned over Scotland' until 24th July 1567. Which is of course true. But some idiot has taken the dates of her reign to be coterminous with her life, whereas actually in a line underneath it correctly gives the date of her death as February 1587.

But my goodness, what an error. That cannot be the examiner, it must be a clerk of some description, but to fail to pick it up in proof is just extraordinary.

Mr. Doethur, not heard that before, but it does seem to bear the Hain level of buffoonery

Still, happy days when Labour had mere dingbats in the Cabinet rather than socialists dominating the front bench.

Morning all I see our ex-pat PB Brexiters are fighting like cats in a sack over what exactly they passionately voted for.

rcs1000 said:

Mortimer said:

rcs1000 said:

archer101au said:

CarlottaVance said:

prominent Leavers were huffing and puffing about a Brexit bill of £40 billion.

Well, it was progress on the £100 billion we'd been told we'd have to pay:

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-uk-will-not-pay-100-billion-euro-eu-exit-bill-says-brexit-minister-2017-5/?IR=T

No it wasn't. The bill was never 100bn; this was just thrown out there to make the British feel better about the eventual climbdown.

The UK agreed to pay EVERYTHING that the EU asked for

I really don't know if you are just ignorant and making shit up, or actually mendacious.

I'm going to assume the former.

Did the EU ever think it would get €100bn plus transition payments? No.

But everything the EU demanded, and the rational, is all in the public domain. I also have pretty good inside knowledge of what happened. The EU was engaged in anchoring, but David Davis held firm on a large number of issues:

- we ended up with no contingent liabilities associated with Ireland and Ukraine
- we ended up less than a fifth of what was asked for with regard to post 2020/21 'commitments'
- pensions numbers were based around our (sensible) discount rate, and not their one

Given we asked for a transition period, the real bill was c. £20bn - which is barely more than our share of the net asset deficit of the EU (€18bn). David Davis did a pretty good job.

Davis has been underestimated by the left and the EU since taking on the role.

He was described to me as "the only adult in the room"* in a meeting between him, Johnson, Fox, and Hammond.

Admittedly a low bar.

Nigelb said:

CarlottaVance said:

Looks like that 'MaxFac' £20 billion figure may have been out.....by a factor of 20......

https://twitter.com/DMcWilliams_UK/status/999382936720953344

Given he claimed in the same discussion to have (I think) 1100 civil servants working on the two plans, that's rather odd....

Indeed, but that factor of 20 would actually bring the costs down into the same region as what I'm quite sure the Swiss customs facilitation are. About 0.05% of GDP. If the EU also insists on collecting customs duty for imports that go via the EU it will be another 0.05% of GDP so a total cost of about £2bn per year.

Beverley_C said:

TOPPING said:

Morning all I see our ex-pat PB Brexiters are fighting like cats in a sack over what exactly they passionately voted for.

Did they vote? I thought exPats were up in arms over not being allowed to vote because they..... live...errr.... not in the UK

No, they were allowed to vote, though I think there is a time limit (15 years?) on how long you can be away for.

On topic: excellent article, good to see the idea of strategic dithering getting currency, from my viewpoint Theresa is playing a blinder at the moment but, my Lord, what a way to have to go about things.

The ERG doesn't even nearly have the votes to topple Theresa within the party, even if they might eventually pull her into a confidence vote (that she should win) when there is no more to lose.

Within parliament may be different if Labour are whipped effectively to vote against whatever comes onto the table. This is May's second challenge, getting enough opposition remainy moderates onside with her eventual version of Hard Bino (Hard Bino is one where points 1-10 say we are leaving everything, but 10 (a) 3 (iii) and its fellow sublevel paragraphs make clear that many things are in name only). For that they need to choose between no deal Brexit and GE/ possible Corbyn Vs Hard Bino and no GE.

That should not be beyond the wit of woman, there should be enough tail end of career Labour moderates to line up behind the vote. I don't know when and how she will boil the remain centrist frog, but I suspect holding firm that the vote will be between the deal and WTO (and not entertaining a second referendum) will be a part of it.

rkrkrk said:

This article makes the case that while a national rail monopoly is not possible under EU rules, it would be possible to, for instance, have a state-owned company for track and one for trains, as in Spain or the Netherlands. Other options for publicly run railways also available.

https://theconversation.com/renationalising-britains-railways-eu-law-not-a-barrier-96759

Yes, splitting the operators and infrastructure, yet having both nationalised, is fine - as has always been known. Unfortunately that structure may not quite gain the advantages the EU wanted, which is exactly why SNCF and DB squealed when the EU tried to go further.

Although quite why you'd want to renationalise railway services, when the part of the current network that is failing is nationalised, is another question.

(It's also fairly clear that the dead hand of the DfT have a great deal to answer for NR's and the railway's travails. Witness the ludicrous and disastrous IEP trains...)

The main current problems with the railways lie not with the privatised operators, but with the nationalised sections and the DfT. Quite why people want to extend control to those organisations is mind-boggling. Well, it isn't really: its down to broken ideological dogma.

It appears that the horseshoe theory applies to religious nutsacks as well as politics.

https://twitter.com/AmandaFBelfast/status/999431743332671490

Morris_Dancer said:

Any more polling to come from Ireland on the referendum*?

Edited extra bit: sorry, people's vote*.

Nothing since the big Yes leads last week, apparently:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-sixth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_Bill_2018_(Ireland)

I'd guess some will appear today.

IFS and Health Foundation say the NHS and social care need an increase of 4% in funds each year to be funded by a rise of 3p in the £ in income tax, VAT and national insurance as well as higher property and business taxes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44230033

Mr. Palmer, cheers. It'll be interesting to see how things turn out.

Mr. 43, on the other hand:
https://twitter.com/HughRBennett/status/999313848506159104

Start of a thread, next tweet indicates the HMRC guess is 5%, which, compared to 0.1%, just looks in the wrong ball park. Later cites a WTO suggestion of 0.7%.

archer101au said:

HYUFD said:

archer101au said:

HYUFD said:

archer101au said:

HYUFD said:

No actually he has not said that, he just said he would need to align with some of the single market rules and regulations not actually remain a member of it which if we remained worse after years of negotiation

You are deluding yourself. For the CU to solve the NI border the way the EU wants, we would have to abide by ALL the SM regulations - otherwise there would still need to be border checks according to the EU. Which will mean:

1. Ongoing contributions to Brussels - against May's red line
2. ECJ jurisdiction - against May's red line
3. FOM (dressed up as something else - shall we use the term 'work permits'?) - against May's red line.

I know that you are a Tory and thus used to selling the country down the river on Europe - Heath, Maastricht, Lisbon Treaty non-referendum, Cameron's fake 're-negotiation' and now Brexit. But just be honest about what you are doing rather than pretending that you are in any way trying to carry out the referendum result.

May has always been clear she would replace FoM with work permits so there is no breaching of her red lines there. The referendum result to Leave the EU is also being carried out.

Yes I am a Tory, I am not UKIP, if people want ultra hard Brexit ie out of the Customs Union, out of the Single Market, no regulatory alignment and a hard border in Ireland and no FTA and WTO terms they can still vote for them

We did vote for it. That was the Vote Leave manifesto.

The Vote Leave manifesto was not WTO terms and the general election result was quite clear on that too

The Vote Leave manifesto, and that of your own party, was full control of our borders, full control of our trade policy and full control of our laws. That means leaving the SM and CU and having the ability to make our own trade rules and regulations.

Both groups wanted an FTA with the EU if possible on these terms. If not possible both groups discussed WTO as the fallback.

None of this is going to be delivered by the Tories.

Which May is still aiming to deliver including leaving the single market and ending free movement, a Customs Partnership that enables new trade deals and a FTA but if Parliament votes to stay in the Customs Union thanks to Labour, the LDs, the SNP and Tory rebels from Remain seats there is not much she can do about it as she lacks an overall majority. May would probably have needed a landslide of at least 100 seats last June to guarantee a hard Brexit.

CarlottaVance said:

Words fail.....

https://twitter.com/thetimesscot/status/999549057331757056

Some private school pupils have bursaries and scholarships as their parents would otherwise not have afforded the fees

Roger said:

I was thinking yesterday as I travelled the thirty five minutes from Beaulieu through Monaco to Menton and accross the invisble border to the market at Ventimiglia what cultural vandalism the timidity of our politicians have wrought on us.

Different language different feel a currency that works everywhere and no bureaucrats demanding passports or identification. It's a paradise.

The next generation are not going to forgive us

Current Temporarily Reintroduced Border Controls

Temporarily reintroduced border controls in the context of foreseeable events:

France (30 April 2018 – 30 October 2018) persistent terrorist threat; all internal borders
Austria (12 May 2018 – 11 November 2018) security situation in Europe and threats resulting from the continuous significant secondary movements; land borders with Hungary and with Slovenia;
Germany (12 May 2018 – 11 November 2018) security situation in Europe and threats resulting from the continuous significant secondary movements; land border with Austria;
Denmark (12 May 2018 – 11 November 2018) security situation in Europe and threats resulting from the continuous significant secondary movements; all internal borders with an initial focus on the land border with Germany and ports with connection to Germany;
Sweden (12 May 2018 – 11 November 2018) continuous serious threat to public policy and internal security; all internal borders;
Norway (12 May 2018 – 11 November 2018) security situation in Europe and threats resulting from the continuous significant secondary movements; all internal borders with an initial focus on ferry connections with DK, DE and SE;


https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/reintroduction-border-control_en

HYUFD said:

CarlottaVance said:

Words fail.....

https://twitter.com/thetimesscot/status/999549057331757056

Some private school pupils have bursaries and scholarships as their parents would otherwise not have afforded the fees

Yes, but I think its a bit of a stretch to call them 'disadvantaged'....

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Palmer, cheers. It'll be interesting to see how things turn out.

Mr. 43, on the other hand:
https://twitter.com/HughRBennett/status/999313848506159104

Start of a thread, next tweet indicates the HMRC guess is 5%, which, compared to 0.1%, just looks in the wrong ball park. Later cites a WTO suggestion of 0.7%.

I can't read PowerPoint presentations on this device. Nevertheless an estimated customs processing cost of £2.50 per consignment is ridiculously low.

PS it's possible Hugh Bennett is talking only about the actual duties, not the processing costs. He's pretty vague.

Roger said:

I was thinking yesterday as I travelled the thirty five minutes from Beaulieu through Monaco to Menton and accross the invisble border to the market at Ventimiglia what cultural vandalism the timidity of our politicians have wrought on us.

Different language different feel a currency that works everywhere and no bureaucrats demanding passports or identification. It's a paradise.

The next generation are not going to forgive us

Get a grip man, however bad a decision people may think it was when you wax lyrical about the horror of it like that it just comes across as silly, and thus ineffective in terms of criticism. The next generation will have the opportunity to undo it if they want, after all we keep being told how easy it would be to remain, and if the sun falls from the sky and society becomes mad max style rejoining will be damn easy too.

FF43 said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Palmer, cheers. It'll be interesting to see how things turn out.

Mr. 43, on the other hand:
https://twitter.com/HughRBennett/status/999313848506159104

Start of a thread, next tweet indicates the HMRC guess is 5%, which, compared to 0.1%, just looks in the wrong ball park. Later cites a WTO suggestion of 0.7%.

I can't read PowerPoint presentations on this device. Nevertheless an estimated customs processing cost of £2.50 per consignment is ridiculously low.

Maybe not if you are a de facto part of the single market, like Switzerland is.

Roger said:

I was thinking yesterday as I travelled the thirty five minutes from Beaulieu through Monaco to Menton and accross the invisble border to the market at Ventimiglia what cultural vandalism the timidity of our politicians have wrought on us.

Different language different feel a currency that works everywhere and no bureaucrats demanding passports or identification. It's a paradise.

The next generation are not going to forgive us

I wouldn't bother worrying about a soft border checks,the next hundred years could see our country heading towards a Bosnia type situation,lucky I won't be around to see it.

CarlottaVance said:

Roger said:

I was thinking yesterday as I travelled the thirty five minutes from Beaulieu through Monaco to Menton and accross the invisble border to the market at Ventimiglia what cultural vandalism the timidity of our politicians have wrought on us.

Different language different feel a currency that works everywhere and no bureaucrats demanding passports or identification. It's a paradise.

The next generation are not going to forgive us

Current Temporarily Reintroduced Border Controls

Temporarily reintroduced border controls in the context of foreseeable events:

France (30 April 2018 – 30 October 2018) persistent terrorist threat; all internal borders
Austria (12 May 2018 – 11 November 2018) security situation in Europe and threats resulting from the continuous significant secondary movements; land borders with Hungary and with Slovenia;
Germany (12 May 2018 – 11 November 2018) security situation in Europe and threats resulting from the continuous significant secondary movements; land border with Austria;
Denmark (12 May 2018 – 11 November 2018) security situation in Europe and threats resulting from the continuous significant secondary movements; all internal borders with an initial focus on the land border with Germany and ports with connection to Germany;
Sweden (12 May 2018 – 11 November 2018) continuous serious threat to public policy and internal security; all internal borders;
Norway (12 May 2018 – 11 November 2018) security situation in Europe and threats resulting from the continuous significant secondary movements; all internal borders with an initial focus on ferry connections with DK, DE and SE;


https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/reintroduction-border-control_en

Well I crossed the border at two different points yesterday and it was as 'manned' as the border at John O'Groats

FF43 said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Palmer, cheers. It'll be interesting to see how things turn out.

Mr. 43, on the other hand:
https://twitter.com/HughRBennett/status/999313848506159104

Start of a thread, next tweet indicates the HMRC guess is 5%, which, compared to 0.1%, just looks in the wrong ball park. Later cites a WTO suggestion of 0.7%.

I can't read PowerPoint presentations on this device. Nevertheless an estimated customs processing cost of £2.50 per consignment is ridiculously low.

PS it's possible Hugh Bennett is talking only about the actual duties, not the processing costs. He's pretty vague.

I don't see why if things are done in bulk and efficiently. Not every consignment needs inspecting, for many the customs declaration ought to cost as much as a stamp.

kle4 said:

Roger said:

I was thinking yesterday as I travelled the thirty five minutes from Beaulieu through Monaco to Menton and accross the invisble border to the market at Ventimiglia what cultural vandalism the timidity of our politicians have wrought on us.

Different language different feel a currency that works everywhere and no bureaucrats demanding passports or identification. It's a paradise.

The next generation are not going to forgive us

Get a grip man, however bad a decision people may think it was when you wax lyrical about the horror of it like that it just comes across as silly, and thus ineffective in terms of criticism. The next generation will have the opportunity to undo it if they want, after all we keep being told how easy it would be to remain, and if the sun falls from the sky and society becomes mad max style rejoining will be damn easy too.

Perhaps you haven't had the pleasure of being part of the single currency and shengen as most Europeans have? Or perhaps you have the sensitivity of John Redwood and Peter Bone?

Beverley_C said:

Roger said:

I was thinking yesterday as I travelled the thirty five minutes from Beaulieu through Monaco to Menton and accross the invisble border to the market at Ventimiglia what cultural vandalism the timidity of our politicians have wrought on us.

Different language different feel a currency that works everywhere and no bureaucrats demanding passports or identification.

The next generation are not going to forgive us

The Boomers have a lot to answer for ...

What are 'Boomers'?

rkrkrk said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

Gardenwalker said:

On topic,

May has deferred for as long as possible, and the Cabinet has not been able to form a consensus on this. Thus, she needs Parliament to vote one way or another. Probably she is “relaxed” about the outcome, she can live in, our out, of a customs union.

It does increasingly feels like the ERG - or perhaps Johnson - are preparing for a challenge, though.

And, come the parliamentary vote, if Corbyn smells blood, surely he’d take the opportunity to depose May, even if it means allowing a free vote on the single market? Deposing May is his quickest route to a Labour government.

If the price of the key to Number 10 is staying in the SM (at least agreeing to do so...) Jezza and John would jump at it.

Except it isn't as such a policy would keep free movement in place and see working class Labour Leave voters in key Midlands and Northern marginal seats abandon the party in droves

Maybe, Maybe not. Lets do it and see.

No ifs or buts about it, leaving free movement in place would see a significant number of Labour Leave seats in the Midlands and North fall to the Tories or even a revived UKIP and Corbyn knows it which is why while he is prepared to stay in the Customs Union he will not agree to stay in the Single Market. Not forgetting Corbyn is also ideologically opposed to the Single Market unlike the Customs Union as it will stop him pushing through the nationalisations he wants to undertake if he becomes PM

I have read this latter point in several places, yet if it is true, how have we

a) just renationalised the East Coast Mainline
b) are building the largest construction project in Europe under public ownership (Crossrail) and
c) have the world’s fifth largest employer within the public sector (the NHS)

This article makes the case that while a national rail monopoly is not possible under EU rules, it would be possible to, for instance, have a state-owned company for track and one for trains, as in Spain or the Netherlands. Other options for publicly run railways also available.

https://theconversation.com/renationalising-britains-railways-eu-law-not-a-barrier-96759

Interesting, thanks.

Funnily enough, I think this is one poll that actually makes sense. If it is accurate (and what polls are??) then the public is broadly right about which services should be in the public sector and which in the private sector.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/nationalisation-vs-privatisation-public-view/

Roger said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

I was thinking yesterday as I travelled the thirty five minutes from Beaulieu through Monaco to Menton and accross the invisble border to the market at Ventimiglia what cultural vandalism the timidity of our politicians have wrought on us.

Different language different feel a currency that works everywhere and no bureaucrats demanding passports or identification. It's a paradise.

The next generation are not going to forgive us

Get a grip man, however bad a decision people may think it was when you wax lyrical about the horror of it like that it just comes across as silly, and thus ineffective in terms of criticism. The next generation will have the opportunity to undo it if they want, after all we keep being told how easy it would be to remain, and if the sun falls from the sky and society becomes mad max style rejoining will be damn easy too.

Perhaps you haven't had the pleasure of being part of the single currency and shengen as most Europeans have? Or perhaps you have the sensitivity of John Redwood and Peter Bone?

On the contrary, I have great sympathy with people for whom the decision to leave has hit them hard, and as someone experiencing plenty of Bregret right now I am quite worried at how poorly things have gotten. I do not dismiss the concerns people have or even emotional toil.

But you've been essentially crying about the death of all culture and the end of civilization for 2 years now. Its hard to take that seriously. How much sensitivity is reasonable to expect in such a scenario? You are so over the top with it, in my view undermining the point you want to make.

So no, I don't think i have been particularly insensitive. I will grant you my phrasing was brusque, though I would hope others woukd accept not rude, but I while I also hope we are all civil and sensitive, I should hope most would agree that blunt dismissal of dramatically maudlin ruminations is hardly unreasonable, any more than puncturing an overly optimistic pronouncement.

If you want to be all dramatic, that's your choice. Am I obliged not to think you are overdoing it even for an arch Remainer? It is insensitive to think your chosen style is ineffective or unwarranted? It might be wrong but it's insensitive?

Tissue Price - very droll

kle4 said:

Roger said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

I was thinking yesterday as I travelled the thirty five minutes from Beaulieu through Monaco to Menton and accross the invisble border to the market at Ventimiglia what cultural vandalism the timidity of our politicians have wrought on us.

Different language different feel a currency that works everywhere and no bureaucrats demanding passports or identification. It's a paradise.

The next generation are not going to forgive us

Get a grip man, however bad a decision people may think it was when you wax lyrical about the horror of it like that it just comes across as silly, and thus ineffective in terms of criticism. The next generation will have the opportunity to undo it if they want, after all we keep being told how easy it would be to remain, and if the sun falls from the sky and society becomes mad max style rejoining will be damn easy too.

Perhaps you haven't had the pleasure of being part of the single currency and shengen as most Europeans have? Or perhaps you have the sensitivity of John Redwood and Peter Bone?

On the contrary, I have great sympathy with people for whom the decision to leave has hit them hard, and as someone experiencing plenty of Bregret right now I am quite worried at how poorly things have gotten. I do not dismiss the concerns people have or even emotional toil.

But you've been essentially crying about the death of all culture and the end of civilization for 2 years now. Its hard to take that seriously. How much sensitivity is reasonable to expect in such a scenario? You are so over the top with it, in my view undermining the point you want to make.

So no, I don't think i have been particularly insensitive. I will grant you my phrasing was brusque, though I would hope others woukd accept not rude, but I while I also hope we are all civil and sensitive, I should hope most would agree that blunt dismissal of dramatically maudlin ruminations is hardly unreasonable, any more than puncturing an overly optimistic pronouncement.

If you want to be all dramatic, that's your choice. Am I obliged not to think you are overdoing it even for an arch Remainer? It is insensitive to think your chosen style is ineffective or unwarranted? It might be wrong but it's insensitive?

FYI i woukd be happy to be in the single market so your seeming assumption of where my criticism was coming from appears to be wrong.

But I have to get to work. Ciao

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/999565551717507072

Beverley_C said:

Roger said:

Beverley_C said:

Roger said:

I was thinking yesterday as I travelled the thirty five minutes from Beaulieu through Monaco to Menton and accross the invisble border to the market at Ventimiglia what cultural vandalism the timidity of our politicians have wrought on us.

Different language different feel a currency that works everywhere and no bureaucrats demanding passports or identification.

The next generation are not going to forgive us

The Boomers have a lot to answer for ...

What are 'Boomers'?

Baby-Boomers. Those born before 1960 who got

- Free university education
- Affordable mortgages
- Good pension provision
- Benefited from massive house price inflation

etc....

My parents didn't get a free university education.

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/999565551717507072

Last note, but with all leaks from the Cabinet I'm surprised May doesn't tell them different things individually so she can easily determine who leaks what.

archer101au said:

HYUFD said:

archer101au said:

HYUFD said:

archer101au said:

We did vote for it. That was the Vote Leave manifesto.

The Vote Leave manifesto was not WTO terms and the general election result was quite clear on that too

The Vote Leave manifesto, and that of your own party, was full control of our borders, full control of our trade policy and full control of our laws. That means leaving the SM and CU and having the ability to make our own trade rules and regulations.

Both groups wanted an FTA with the EU if possible on these terms. If not possible both groups discussed WTO as the fallback.

None of this is going to be delivered by the Tories.

Which May is still aiming to deliver including leaving the single market and ending free movement, a Customs Partnership that enables new trade deals and a FTA but if Parliament votes to stay in the Customs Union thanks to Labour, the LDs, the SNP and Tory rebels from Remain seats there is not much she can do about it as she lacks an overall majority. May would probably have needed a landslide of at least 100 seats last June to guarantee a hard Brexit.

It is not Parliament that is driving May - this is just another Tory excuse. The civil service have driven her agenda and the fact she is a Remainer and utterly gutless when negotiating.

Any sensible look at the Parliamentary arithmetic suggest it will be a lot easier for May to whip her Tory CU rebels to vote down the Lords amendments (which after all, is what was in her manifesto and they already voted it down once) than for her to somehow pass the Withdrawal Agreement bill if the ERG vote it down. Labour and SNP will oppose regardless (they are not going to take responsibility for the exit agreement) so how is May going to ever pass this bill if even a small number of the ERG vote it down, to say nothing of the DUP?

Corbyn is still committed to leaving the EU and the single market given over a third of his voters and most Labour seats voted Leave even if he wants to stay in a Customs Union