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I've just realised I'm one of the few PBers who do not watch Eurovision and honestly does not care. Weird...
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They don't have to, but historically they have awarded us more points than any other nation, and the points they have received from us is higher than from any other nation.viewcode said:
So getting none from them is unusual, although apparently in the last couple of decades they have been awarding us less than they used to before 1997 according to wiki.0 -
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Great Country to visitHYUFD said:
Yes it will be in Jerusalem next year (which I am also visiting in February).AnneJGP said:
Is this the one where the winner has to host next year's event?Ishmael_Z said:Must be Israel now
Netanyahu will be pleased
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YBarddCwsc said:
I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
You got what you deserved in the referendum.
Gosh, I wonder what we could have done to upset the Irish...kle4 said:
They don't have to, but historically they have awarded us more points than any other nation, and the points they have received from us is higher than from any other nation.viewcode said:
So getting none from them is unusual, although apparently in the last couple of decades they have been awarding us less than they used to before 1997 according to wiki.0 -
https://mobile.twitter.com/netanyahu/status/995435130985635840
Bibi breaks off from annoying leftwingers over Iran to annoy leftwingers with Israel's Eurovision win0 -
17 of the 26 final entries were sung in English.viewcode said:I've just realised I'm one of the few PBers who do not watch Eurovision and honestly does not care. Weird...
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As a brief amusment I did a google search for 'boycott israeli eurovision' but other than the Liverpool friends of Palestine ('we have no particular political bias') wanting a campaign to award Israel nul points I don't see anything obvious that there were any big, bonkers campaigns against them to cause a laugh.TheScreamingEagles said:
Why do you hate Israel? Are you a Corbynista?Casino_Royale said:I want to vote Leave again.
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We were being super nice to them up to 1997, when they regularly awarded us the top points? It's a long term trend apparently, I guess they no longer like UK songs (or are not willing to pretend to like the eurovision offerings due to being neighbours)not_on_fire said:
Gosh, I wonder what we could have done to upset the Irish...
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Our immediate post-Brexit Vote Eurovision surge has been reversed.
we came 24th in 2016, then 15th in 2017, but 24th again this year 0 -
Israeli Ambassador thanks the UK for the 10 points
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A sign of the negotiations? A period of improvement, followed by being back where we started.Sunil_Prasannan said:Our immediate post-Brexit Vote Eurovision surge has been reversed.
we came 24th in 2016, then 15th in 2017, but 24th again this year0 -
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Such as? They been independent for nigh on 100 years.not_on_fire said:YBarddCwsc said:I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
You got what you deserved in the referendum.
Gosh, I wonder what we could have done to upset the Irish...kle4 said:
They don't have to, but historically they have awarded us more points than any other nation, and the points they have received from us is higher than from any other nation.viewcode said:
So getting none from them is unusual, although apparently in the last couple of decades they have been awarding us less than they used to before 1997 according to wiki.0 -
We got 10 points from the Ireland audience, 6 from Australia, 3 from Albania, 1 from Germany, 1 from Malta.not_on_fire said:YBarddCwsc said:I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
You got what you deserved in the referendum.
Gosh, I wonder what we could have done to upset the Irish...kle4 said:
They don't have to, but historically they have awarded us more points than any other nation, and the points they have received from us is higher than from any other nation.viewcode said:
So getting none from them is unusual, although apparently in the last couple of decades they have been awarding us less than they used to before 1997 according to wiki.0 -
Juries, not audienceFoxy said:
We got 10 points from the Ireland audience, 6 from Australia, 3 from Albania, 1 from Germany, 1 from Malta.not_on_fire said:YBarddCwsc said:I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
You got what you deserved in the referendum.
Gosh, I wonder what we could have done to upset the Irish...kle4 said:
They don't have to, but historically they have awarded us more points than any other nation, and the points they have received from us is higher than from any other nation.viewcode said:
So getting none from them is unusual, although apparently in the last couple of decades they have been awarding us less than they used to before 1997 according to wiki.
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It's a fair point but my response is that the referendum was an argument between two parts of the elite: those who were doing very well out of the Eurocentric setup and those who felt limited by it. The latter enlisted the support of the poor in the Referendum and consequently won: famously, the EU referendum was the first election won by the working class since 1974(?). In that respect it fit the profile of a revolution, albeit a civilised one.YBarddCwsc said:I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
You got what you deserved in the referendum.
So I assume it will proceed like every other revolution: the poor will be discarded as they have been since time immemorial and the victorious side of the elite will carry on with whatever they intended to do in the first place, without regard to the poor.
So your fire is directed at the wrong people.
If you don't believe me, ask yourself the problem is (inequality? immigration? whatever?), what level was it at the time of the referendum, and what level do you think it will be in the future... 0 -
Audience votes. From the Eurovision app results page. We got no points from the Irish jury.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Juries, not audienceFoxy said:
We got 10 points from the Ireland audience, 6 from Australia, 3 from Albania, 1 from Germany, 1 from Malta.not_on_fire said:YBarddCwsc said:I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
You got what you deserved in the referendum.
Gosh, I wonder what we could have done to upset the Irish...kle4 said:
They don't have to, but historically they have awarded us more points than any other nation, and the points they have received from us is higher than from any other nation.viewcode said:
So getting none from them is unusual, although apparently in the last couple of decades they have been awarding us less than they used to before 1997 according to wiki.0 -
Typical out of touch judges, eh?Foxy said:
Audience votes. From the Eurovision app results page. We got no points from the Irish jury.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Juries, not audienceFoxy said:
We got 10 points from the Ireland audience, 6 from Australia, 3 from Albania, 1 from Germany, 1 from Malta.not_on_fire said:YBarddCwsc said:I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
You got what you deserved in the referendum.
Gosh, I wonder what we could have done to upset the Irish...kle4 said:
They don't have to, but historically they have awarded us more points than any other nation, and the points they have received from us is higher than from any other nation.viewcode said:
So getting none from them is unusual, although apparently in the last couple of decades they have been awarding us less than they used to before 1997 according to wiki.
Night all.0 -
My apologies, yes of course!Foxy said:
Audience votes. From the Eurovision app results page. We got no points from the Irish jury.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Juries, not audienceFoxy said:
We got 10 points from the Ireland audience, 6 from Australia, 3 from Albania, 1 from Germany, 1 from Malta.not_on_fire said:YBarddCwsc said:I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
You got what you deserved in the referendum.
Gosh, I wonder what we could have done to upset the Irish...kle4 said:
They don't have to, but historically they have awarded us more points than any other nation, and the points they have received from us is higher than from any other nation.viewcode said:
So getting none from them is unusual, although apparently in the last couple of decades they have been awarding us less than they used to before 1997 according to wiki.0 -
Today's Iraqi election. A triumph for Blair and Bush's 2003 policy of invasion.0
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I have just woken up and made myself a cup of tea. Why are grown men behaving like kids ?Foxy said:
Audience votes. From the Eurovision app results page. We got no points from the Irish jury.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Juries, not audienceFoxy said:
We got 10 points from the Ireland audience, 6 from Australia, 3 from Albania, 1 from Germany, 1 from Malta.not_on_fire said:YBarddCwsc said:I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
You got what you deserved in the referendum.
Gosh, I wonder what we could have done to upset the Irish...kle4 said:
They don't have to, but historically they have awarded us more points than any other nation, and the points they have received from us is higher than from any other nation.viewcode said:
So getting none from them is unusual, although apparently in the last couple of decades they have been awarding us less than they used to before 1997 according to wiki.
Null points, obviously for the hard border!0 -
PM Netanyahu has now personally phoned Netta to congratulate her on winning Eurovision for Israel
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Apparently, the Israeli entry is a feminist song. So it's OK.0
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He calls her a cow in Hebrew - or is there something lost in (auto-)translation there?HYUFD said:
Yes it will be in Jerusalem next year (which I am also visiting in February).AnneJGP said:
Is this the one where the winner has to host next year's event?Ishmael_Z said:Must be Israel now
Netanyahu will be pleased
https://mobile.twitter.com/netanyahu/status/9954151171761479730 -
They are taking this farce so seriously!HYUFD said:Israeli Ambassador thanks the UK for the 10 points
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkRegev/status/9954356306865602560 -
I was going to reply to this, but then I realise it would be my reaction to your reaction to my reaction to other's reactions to a competition I did not witness...Sunil_Prasannan said: 0 -
"I'm not your toysurby said:Apparently, the Israeli entry is a feminist song. So it's OK.
You stupid boy!"0 -
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If the lyrics had beenSunil_Prasannan said:
"I'm not your toysurby said:Apparently, the Israeli entry is a feminist song. So it's OK.
You stupid boy!"
'Don't do a twirl
You stupid girl!' - there would have been outrage and the song would never have won0 -
“organisations representing” 1m students =/= 1m students.0
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Interesting background to the standoff between Westminster & Holyrood:
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/fear-of-sinn-fein-the-root-cause-of-brexit-power-grab-1-47387550 -
Tessa Jowell has passed away. RIP.0
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The correct headline should be: More than a million students and young people who did not have a vote about their future wants a new vote on Brexit.CarlottaVance said:0 -
But NI already makes / has made their own laws since Sinn Fein came into government. Ironically, one of their demands , abortion, which the DUP opposes will bring NI closer to the rest of the UK. Same goes for gay rights.CarlottaVance said:Interesting background to the standoff between Westminster & Holyrood:
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/fear-of-sinn-fein-the-root-cause-of-brexit-power-grab-1-47387550
