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On this week’s PB/Polling Matters podcast Keiran Pedley is joined by Matt Singh (Number Cruncher) and Adam Drummond (Opinium) to discuss:

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 99,295
    edited April 2018
    Geoff/Damien
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 99,295
    edited April 2018
    That 10% can bugger off and live in Syria/Russia
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,822
    FPT:

    C4 news (who IIRC aren’t well thought of on here) dedicated a lot of time to antisemitism in Labour showing some of the debate and an interview with Margaret Hodge. So thought those who are concerned about it not getting a lot of coverage should know this.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    I seem to be racist because I don’t like the EU.

    (c) A. Meeks.
  • 10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 41,659

    That 10% can bugger off and live in Syria/Russia

    I guess that must be Corbyn's floor then....
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,766
    TGOHF said:

    I seem to be racist because I don’t like the EU.

    (c) A. Meeks.

    It's ok, you're not racist because you don't like the EU.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 38,789

    That 10% can bugger off and live in Syria/Russia

    I guess that must be Corbyn's floor then....
    Floor in Russian is pol. Corbyn's floor is Roger.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    I seem to be racist because I don’t like the EU.

    (c) A. Meeks.

    It's ok, you're not racist because you don't like the EU.

    But surely I feast on a diet of Xenophobic lies and the blood of Belgian orphans ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 92,692
    RIP Dale, he was one of the pillars of light entertainment
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 41,659

    That 10% can bugger off and live in Syria/Russia

    I guess that must be Corbyn's floor then....
    Floor in Russian is pol. Corbyn's floor is Roger.
    Bloody Champagne socialists.....
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 19,000
    FPT:
    Essexit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    If The Lords set themselves against the people (which it looks like that want to do) there will only be one outcome.
    At the very most they'd only be setting themselves against the 37.5% who actually voted Leave and even then it's not at all clear how many of those saw leaving the Customs Union as an essential part of Leaving the EU.
    The 37.5% argument, the mark of a truly demented Remainer.
    @Essexit You misunderstand me. I am not saying Leave didn't win the EU Ref; I was merely pointing out to GIN1138 that The Lords haven't set themselves against "the People", only against a sizeable proportion of the people (and who knows how many of the 37.5% were bothered about Customs Union or not - safe to say some at least would have wanted out of the EU but remain in the CU).
  • FPT

    Benpointer

    At the very most they'd only be setting themselves against the 37.5% who actually voted Leave and even then it's not at all clear how many of those saw leaving the Customs Union as an essential part of Leaving the EU.

    ...............................................................................................................

    I am finding myself remarkably relaxed over Brexit. I am content that TM will get a deal possibly in some form of customs union and then we move on.

    I am not hitting out at the Lords, it is their job, but they are a huge elite and are not elected so I expect even with their opposition a deal will happen.

    Maybe I would like to be a bridge between leavers and remainers and for everyone to come together but, no doubt, I suppose most will say I am a dreamer
  • FPT

    The_Apocalypse

    C4 news (who IIRC aren’t well thought of on here) dedicated a lot of time to antisemitism in Labour showing some of the debate and an interview with Margaret Hodge. So thought those who are concerned about it not getting a lot of coverage should know this.

    ..............................................................................................................................

    That debate disturbed both my wife and I and rarely, if ever, have we both been left in tears as we listened to Luciana Berger and Ruth Smeeth's statements and then they started sobbing over their utterly disgusting treatment. It was good conservative mps contributed and everyone (almost) standing to applaud both ladies raised the spirit and soul
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 19,000
    edited April 2018

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    Chill. It could be worse: 13% didn't believe in Global Warming when polled last year...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-climate-change-real-accept-majority-global-warming-poll-finds-a7909841.html
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 19,000

    FPT

    Benpointer

    At the very most they'd only be setting themselves against the 37.5% who actually voted Leave and even then it's not at all clear how many of those saw leaving the Customs Union as an essential part of Leaving the EU.

    ...............................................................................................................

    I am finding myself remarkably relaxed over Brexit. I am content that TM will get a deal possibly in some form of customs union and then we move on.

    I am not hitting out at the Lords, it is their job, but they are a huge elite and are not elected so I expect even with their opposition a deal will happen.

    Maybe I would like to be a bridge between leavers and remainers and for everyone to come together but, no doubt, I suppose most will say I am a dreamer

    A very laudible dream - keep dreaming Big_G :smile:
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 30,236

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    What is so strange about that number?
  • FPT

    Benpointer

    At the very most they'd only be setting themselves against the 37.5% who actually voted Leave and even then it's not at all clear how many of those saw leaving the Customs Union as an essential part of Leaving the EU.

    ...............................................................................................................

    I am finding myself remarkably relaxed over Brexit. I am content that TM will get a deal possibly in some form of customs union and then we move on.

    I am not hitting out at the Lords, it is their job, but they are a huge elite and are not elected so I expect even with their opposition a deal will happen.

    Maybe I would like to be a bridge between leavers and remainers and for everyone to come together but, no doubt, I suppose most will say I am a dreamer

    A very laudible dream - keep dreaming Big_G :smile:
    Dreams come true sometimes Ben
  • Sean_F said:

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    What is so strange about that number?
    That 10% of the country think we have a government and Prime Minister competent to pull of such a feat is just plain scary.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 30,236

    FPT

    Benpointer

    At the very most they'd only be setting themselves against the 37.5% who actually voted Leave and even then it's not at all clear how many of those saw leaving the Customs Union as an essential part of Leaving the EU.

    ...............................................................................................................

    I am finding myself remarkably relaxed over Brexit. I am content that TM will get a deal possibly in some form of customs union and then we move on.

    I am not hitting out at the Lords, it is their job, but they are a huge elite and are not elected so I expect even with their opposition a deal will happen.

    Maybe I would like to be a bridge between leavers and remainers and for everyone to come together but, no doubt, I suppose most will say I am a dreamer

    It would be nice, but for a lot of people, this a conflict between the forces of light, represented by Jean Claude Juncker, and the forces of darkness, represented by Michael Gove.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 17,824

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    It's very weird, even for conspiracy theorists. I can imagine just about imagine Islamists doing it to try to get a reaction against Assad (and even that seems unlikely), but why would Britain even bother, however nefarious some people think we are??

    Hadn't seen the ComRes poll in the podcast with the +1 Lab lead.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 22,267

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    Chill. It could be worse: 13% didn't believe in Global Warming when polled last year...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-climate-change-real-accept-majority-global-warming-poll-finds-a7909841.html
    Dearie me Ben.

    It had to be renamed climate change years ago.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 30,236

    Sean_F said:

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    What is so strange about that number?
    That 10% of the country think we have a government and Prime Minister competent to pull of such a feat is just plain scary.
    I don't think that our security forces are efficient enough to kill Princess Diana, and pin it on some drunken French driver, but I'll wager that more than 10% believe it.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    FPT

    Benpointer

    At the very most they'd only be setting themselves against the 37.5% who actually voted Leave and even then it's not at all clear how many of those saw leaving the Customs Union as an essential part of Leaving the EU.

    ...............................................................................................................

    I am finding myself remarkably relaxed over Brexit. I am content that TM will get a deal possibly in some form of customs union and then we move on.

    I am not hitting out at the Lords, it is their job, but they are a huge elite and are not elected so I expect even with their opposition a deal will happen.

    Maybe I would like to be a bridge between leavers and remainers and for everyone to come together but, no doubt, I suppose most will say I am a dreamer

    A very laudible dream - keep dreaming Big_G :smile:
    Stop nicking John Lennon's lyrics.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 22,267
    Bank job losses imminent:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43802021

    But don't worry its only actual prole jobs in prole towns and not the 50,000 London banking jobs to be lost in the year after a Leave vote.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 47,497
    edited April 2018
    Yorkcity said:

    FPT

    Benpointer

    At the very most they'd only be setting themselves against the 37.5% who actually voted Leave and even then it's not at all clear how many of those saw leaving the Customs Union as an essential part of Leaving the EU.

    ...............................................................................................................

    I am finding myself remarkably relaxed over Brexit. I am content that TM will get a deal possibly in some form of customs union and then we move on.

    I am not hitting out at the Lords, it is their job, but they are a huge elite and are not elected so I expect even with their opposition a deal will happen.

    Maybe I would like to be a bridge between leavers and remainers and for everyone to come together but, no doubt, I suppose most will say I am a dreamer

    A very laudible dream - keep dreaming Big_G :smile:
    Stop nicking John Lennon's lyrics.
    Not breached copyright have we
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 18,541
    edited April 2018





    I am finding myself remarkably relaxed over Brexit. I am content that TM will get a deal possibly in some form of customs union and then we move on.

    I am not hitting out at the Lords, it is their job, but they are a huge elite and are not elected so I expect even with their opposition a deal will happen.

    Maybe I would like to be a bridge between leavers and remainers and for everyone to come together but, no doubt, I suppose most will say I am a dreamer


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOgFZfRVaww


    :D
  • Man Utd need 1 point out of 4 games to qualify for next years champions league despite Brexit, sorry meant WBA
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 22,267
    edited April 2018

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    How many think it was the USA, the Jews, the Lizards or the whole lot acting together ?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 18,541
    TGOHF said:
    Theresa and Justin look good together. :)
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 22,267
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    What is so strange about that number?
    That 10% of the country think we have a government and Prime Minister competent to pull of such a feat is just plain scary.
    I don't think that our security forces are efficient enough to kill Princess Diana, and pin it on some drunken French driver, but I'll wager that more than 10% believe it.
    Even the Express has forgotten about her.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 18,541
    Has anyone seen Sean T since Viagra went "over the counter" at Boots?

    TSE seems to have "away" quite a lot too now I come to think of it... ;)
  • glwglw Posts: 7,939

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    The thing the crackpots rarely seem to explain is the "why" bit. Mitchell and Webb made some very funny sketches about just that question.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 22,267
    GIN1138 said:

    Has anyone seen Sean T since Viagra went "over the counter" at Boots?

    TSE seems to have "away" quite a lot too now I come to think of it... ;)

    Isn't SeanT rampaging through Epping Forest swinging his bongos ?

    And is swinging his bongos some sort of euphemism ?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    GIN1138 said:

    Has anyone seen Sean T since Viagra went "over the counter" at Boots?

    TSE seems to have "away" quite a lot too now I come to think of it... ;)

    I just spat my tea out :D
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 13,485
    TGOHF said:
    With the Windrush story gaining traction is it time for another Boris bid?

    After Mrs May's attempt to mislead Parliament without technically lying earlier today, perhaps it should be!
  • GIN1138 said:

    Has anyone seen Sean T since Viagra went "over the counter" at Boots?

    TSE seems to have "away" quite a lot too now I come to think of it... ;)

    I only take viagra to stop myself from rolling out of bed.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:
    With the Windrush story gaining traction is it time for another Boris bid?

    After Mrs May's attempt to mislead Parliament without technically lying earlier today, perhaps it should be!
    Gaining traction ? It’s a Norwegian Blue.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    It's very weird, even for conspiracy theorists. I can imagine just about imagine Islamists doing it to try to get a reaction against Assad (and even that seems unlikely), but why would Britain even bother, however nefarious some people think we are??

    Hadn't seen the ComRes poll in the podcast with the +1 Lab lead.
    Maybe they are reading Robert Fisk the journalist on Douma https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/04/17/no-evidence-of-chemical-attack-in-douma-doctor/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 56,574
    Scott_P said:
    I've forgotten, is this part of the zionist plot? :o
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Isn't SeanT rampaging through Epping Forest swinging his bongos ?

    And is swinging his bongos some sort of euphemism ?

    Cavorting on Dartmoor this week
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 13,485
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:
    With the Windrush story gaining traction is it time for another Boris bid?

    After Mrs May's attempt to mislead Parliament without technically lying earlier today, perhaps it should be!
    Gaining traction ? It’s a Norwegian Blue.
    You think?
  • RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    I've forgotten, is this part of the zionist plot? :o
    Nope. Its the Maomentum Fanatic Millennial Hipster Army
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 613
    HYUFD said:

    RIP Dale, he was one of the pillars of light entertainment
    Very sad, feel sorry for his family. You get to a certain age in life when friends and family die, but Dale was too young.
    I am older, but just back from running with my club, first run in 6 months, but the NHS has been marvelous in getting me fixed. I think consumer experience of the NHS is way better than what is portrayed in the media.
  • glwglw Posts: 7,939
    edited April 2018
    Yorkcity said:

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    It's very weird, even for conspiracy theorists. I can imagine just about imagine Islamists doing it to try to get a reaction against Assad (and even that seems unlikely), but why would Britain even bother, however nefarious some people think we are??

    Hadn't seen the ComRes poll in the podcast with the +1 Lab lead.
    Maybe they are reading Robert Fisk the journalist on Douma https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/04/17/no-evidence-of-chemical-attack-in-douma-doctor/
    But go to the source article for that and you see this:

    I've bolded the key bit

    War stories, however, have a habit of growing darker. For the same 58-year old senior Syrian doctor then adds something profoundly uncomfortable: the patients, he says, were overcome not by gas but by oxygen starvation in the rubbish-filled tunnels and basements in which they lived, on a night of wind and heavy shelling that stirred up a dust storm.

    As Dr Assim Rahaibani announces this extraordinary conclusion, it is worth observing that he is by his own admission not an eyewitness himself and, as he speaks good English, he refers twice to the jihadi gunmen of Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] in Douma as “terrorists” – the regime’s word for their enemies, and a term used by many people across Syria. Am I hearing this right? Which version of events are we to believe?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html

    Be careful of reports that pick a sentence or two from a long article to spin a story, there has been a hell of lot of that going on recently.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:
    With the Windrush story gaining traction is it time for another Boris bid?

    After Mrs May's attempt to mislead Parliament without technically lying earlier today, perhaps it should be!
    Gaining traction ? It’s a Norwegian Blue.
    You think?
    Only makes the front page of the Guardian today..
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 28,668

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:
    With the Windrush story gaining traction is it time for another Boris bid?

    After Mrs May's attempt to mislead Parliament without technically lying earlier today, perhaps it should be!
    Gaining traction ? It’s a Norwegian Blue.
    You think?
    I think it has legs for a while yet. There are many human interest stories of hard decisions. The Press love these stories, and one of the best chances of reversing such decisions is maximum embarrassment of the govement, so there will be a constant supply.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 13,485
    edited April 2018
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:
    With the Windrush story gaining traction is it time for another Boris bid?

    After Mrs May's attempt to mislead Parliament without technically lying earlier today, perhaps it should be!
    Gaining traction ? It’s a Norwegian Blue.
    You think?
    Only makes the front page of the Guardian today..
    We shall see!
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    edited April 2018
    glw said:

    Yorkcity said:

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    It's very weird, even for conspiracy theorists. I can imagine just about imagine Islamists doing it to try to get a reaction against Assad (and even that seems unlikely), but why would Britain even bother, however nefarious some people think we are??

    Hadn't seen the ComRes poll in the podcast with the +1 Lab lead.
    Maybe they are reading Robert Fisk the journalist on Douma https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/04/17/no-evidence-of-chemical-attack-in-douma-doctor/
    But go to the source article for that and you see this:

    I've bolded the key bit

    War stories, however, have a habit of growing darker. For the same 58-year old senior Syrian doctor then adds something profoundly uncomfortable: the patients, he says, were overcome not by gas but by oxygen starvation in the rubbish-filled tunnels and basements in which they lived, on a night of wind and heavy shelling that stirred up a dust storm.

    As Dr Assim Rahaibani announces this extraordinary conclusion, it is worth observing that he is by his own admission not an eyewitness himself and, as he speaks good English, he refers twice to the jihadi gunmen of Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] in Douma as “terrorists” – the regime’s word for their enemies, and a term used by many people across Syria. Am I hearing this right? Which version of events are we to believe?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html

    Be careful of reports that pick a sentence or two from a long article to spin a story, there has been a hell of lot of that going on recently.
    Can you ascertain then ,what Robert Fisk position is ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 70,000
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    I've forgotten, is this part of the zionist plot? :o
    Everything is, of course. That you had to ask probably means you are part of the plot.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 28,668

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    It's very weird, even for conspiracy theorists. I can imagine just about imagine Islamists doing it to try to get a reaction against Assad (and even that seems unlikely), but why would Britain even bother, however nefarious some people think we are??

    Hadn't seen the ComRes poll in the podcast with the +1 Lab lead.
    I was lunching with a colleague today, an Iraqi, present in the UK 20 years and no Russophile or lefty.

    She thinks the USA is behind ISIS, and that the Chemical atack was staged to justify bombing.

    The reason being that she cannot believe Muslims or Arabs would do such evils.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 70,000

    Sean_F said:

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    What is so strange about that number?
    That 10% of the country think we have a government and Prime Minister competent to pull of such a feat is just plain scary.
    Isn't there supposed to be some statistic that essentially says a minimum of x will pick any option presented out of sheer bloody mindedness, no matter how terrible it is, even though you'd likely not get 1 in 100 for some opinions if you had them face to face?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 13,485
    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:
    With the Windrush story gaining traction is it time for another Boris bid?

    After Mrs May's attempt to mislead Parliament without technically lying earlier today, perhaps it should be!
    Gaining traction ? It’s a Norwegian Blue.
    You think?
    I think it has legs for a while yet. There are many human interest stories of hard decisions. The Press love these stories, and one of the best chances of reversing such decisions is maximum embarrassment of the govement, so there will be a constant supply.
    I am with you on this story. Mrs May's smug put down of Corbyn using a half-truth, got a cheap laugh and animated a number of people on here, I thought it came across as disrespectful to the very people she had apologised to moments earlier. Not her finest hour.
  • glwglw Posts: 7,939
    Yorkcity said:

    Can you ascertain then ,what Robert Fisk position is ?

    I don't recall any conflict recently where Fisk has agreed with the Western position. He can always find some counter narrative or doubt. We'll know if/when the OPCW can properly do their job.

    My point though is that that Doctor's opinion is being selectively spread, when the full article covers many opinions. A bit like with Lavrov and his selective revelation that BZ had been found in a sample, which was simply OPCW protocol not a contradiction of the finding that Novichok was in the real sample.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 70,000
    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:
    With the Windrush story gaining traction is it time for another Boris bid?

    After Mrs May's attempt to mislead Parliament without technically lying earlier today, perhaps it should be!
    Gaining traction ? It’s a Norwegian Blue.
    You think?
    I think it has legs for a while yet. There are many human interest stories of hard decisions. The Press love these stories, and one of the best chances of reversing such decisions is maximum embarrassment of the govement, so there will be a constant supply.
    Agreed - it's why I think those saying Corbyn tactically was wrong to focus on Syria (however successfully or not) yesterday and the day before rather than Windrush were wrong, since this story seems like it could run for quite some time, since be it due to a terrible system or terrible policy, it will take time to resolve and there will be poignant stories to come.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,202
    Scott_P said:
    Must have been the Jews, unit 8200.
  • glwglw Posts: 7,939
    Foxy said:

    I was lunching with a colleague today, an Iraqi, present in the UK 20 years and no Russophile or lefty.

    She thinks the USA is behind ISIS, and that the Chemical atack was staged to justify bombing.

    The reason being that she cannot believe Muslims or Arabs would do such evils.

    What did you say to her when she said that?
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    glw said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Can you ascertain then ,what Robert Fisk position is ?

    I don't recall any conflict recently where Fisk has agreed with the Western position. He can always find some counter narrative or doubt. We'll know if/when the OPCW can properly do their job.

    My point though is that that Doctor's opinion is being selectively spread, when the full article covers many opinions. A bit like with Lavrov and his selective revelation that BZ had been found in a sample, which was simply OPCW protocol not a contradiction of the finding that Novichok was in the real sample.
    Much appreciated glw.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2018
    People remember the Mail's frontpage on the day the election was called, but the Sun's was possibly even more hubristic:

    https://twitter.com/fletchersimon/status/986557265556705280
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,202
    edited April 2018
    Danny565 said:

    People remember the Mail's frontpage on the day the election was called, but the Sun's was possibly even more hubristic:

    twitter.com/fletchersimon/status/986557265556705280

    Well the labour party as we knew it appears to be dead.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 56,574
    Danny565 said:

    People remember the Mail's frontpage on the day the election was called, but the Sun's was possibly even more hubristic:

    https://twitter.com/fletchersimon/status/986557265556705280

    Heady days. I miss them :D
  • tysontyson Posts: 5,979

    GIN1138 said:

    Has anyone seen Sean T since Viagra went "over the counter" at Boots?

    TSE seems to have "away" quite a lot too now I come to think of it... ;)

    I only take viagra to stop myself from rolling out of bed.
    A friend gave me a single viagra some time ago, and I discovered it today whilst searching for my sun cream. My wife is away, and I was tempted to try it on a what the heck, but then bottled out......

    Is viagra something one can take to see what happens? I’ve not researched it, but soemthing tells me there is wealth of experience on pbCOM.....

  • RobDRobD Posts: 56,574
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    I've forgotten, is this part of the zionist plot? :o
    Everything is, of course. That you had to ask probably means you are part of the plot.
    Shhhhh! I’m deep cover.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 39,061
    Danny565 said:

    People remember the Mail's frontpage on the day the election was called, but the Sun's was possibly even more hubristic:

    https://twitter.com/fletchersimon/status/986557265556705280

    "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you pesky Labour voters!" :lol:
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 28,668
    glw said:

    Foxy said:

    I was lunching with a colleague today, an Iraqi, present in the UK 20 years and no Russophile or lefty.

    She thinks the USA is behind ISIS, and that the Chemical atack was staged to justify bombing.

    The reason being that she cannot believe Muslims or Arabs would do such evils.

    What did you say to her when she said that?
    I said that I disagreed, politely. She is an old friend, and fled to Britain after the first Gulf War. She hates the Islamists, the Baathists and the USA more or less equally for destroying her homeland.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 70,000
    Danny565 said:

    People remember the Mail's frontpage on the day the election was called, but the Sun's was possibly even more hubristic:

    hts://twitter.com/fletchersimon/status/986557265556705280

    You're right, I honestly don't remember that one. Yeesh. I'm not going to pretend I didn't also think the Tories would win, but that's incredibly bullish even for a bullish paper.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited April 2018

    Scott_P said:
    Must have been the Jews, unit 8200.
    All three of those sites are hosted by Cogeco Peer 1 which has reported an outage. That's not to rule out an elite group of pro-Corbyn Jewish hackers, mind.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 7,655
    glw said:

    Yorkcity said:

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    It's very weird, even for conspiracy theorists. I can imagine just about imagine Islamists doing it to try to get a reaction against Assad (and even that seems unlikely), but why would Britain even bother, however nefarious some people think we are??

    Hadn't seen the ComRes poll in the podcast with the +1 Lab lead.
    Maybe they are reading Robert Fisk the journalist on Douma https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/04/17/no-evidence-of-chemical-attack-in-douma-doctor/
    But go to the source article for that and you see this:

    I've bolded the key bit

    War stories, however, have a habit of growing darker. For the same 58-year old senior Syrian doctor then adds something profoundly uncomfortable: the patients, he says, were overcome not by gas but by oxygen starvation in the rubbish-filled tunnels and basements in which they lived, on a night of wind and heavy shelling that stirred up a dust storm.

    As Dr Assim Rahaibani announces this extraordinary conclusion, it is worth observing that he is by his own admission not an eyewitness himself and, as he speaks good English, he refers twice to the jihadi gunmen of Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] in Douma as “terrorists” – the regime’s word for their enemies, and a term used by many people across Syria. Am I hearing this right? Which version of events are we to believe?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html

    Be careful of reports that pick a sentence or two from a long article to spin a story, there has been a hell of lot of that going on recently.
    "but by oxygen starvation in the rubbish-filled tunnels and basements in which they lived, on a night of wind and heavy shelling that stirred up a dust storm."

    That sounds like bollocks to me; why would rubbish, wind, dust or shelling cause oxygen starvation? Fire, or displacement of air by a heavier gas, like CO2, would be the likely causes of hypoxia.

    I think - ahoy @Firestopper if you are around.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    That 10% can bugger off and live in Syria/Russia

    +1
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    Looks like the Tory poll leads have gone. Why ?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    surby said:

    Looks like the Tory poll leads have gone. Why ?

    Noise. It was probably neck-and-neck all along. Labour had leads in January.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    AndyJS said:

    surby said:

    Looks like the Tory poll leads have gone. Why ?

    Noise. It was probably neck-and-neck all along. Labour had leads in January.
    There were 4 or 5 polls consecutively with Tory leads. That run ended at the end of March.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    surby said:

    Looks like the Tory poll leads have gone. Why ?

    Do you watch the news.

    Just hope the Pakistani mill workers who came to Bradford in the late 40's and 50's haven't been chucked out,it could go on for weeks.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 5,046
    edited April 2018
    AndyJS said:

    That 10% can bugger off and live in Syria/Russia

    +1
    A Corbynist facebook friend of mine has been earnestly posting links on how Russia couldn't have possibly been responsible for Salisbury. Her next link was how she found herself puzzlingly unable to pit her phone in her back pocket, and had found that the reason for this was that she had been wearing her jeans back to front all day

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    If this government wants target's on illegal or not wanted immigration, firstly start on the prisons.

    I sure we all can agree on that.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,090

    Danny565 said:

    People remember the Mail's frontpage on the day the election was called, but the Sun's was possibly even more hubristic:

    https://twitter.com/fletchersimon/status/986557265556705280

    "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you pesky Labour voters!" :lol:
    Nobody really knew they would put out such a clusterfuck of a manifesto. Still shaking my head thinking about how badly they screwed it up.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,822
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:
    With the Windrush story gaining traction is it time for another Boris bid?

    After Mrs May's attempt to mislead Parliament without technically lying earlier today, perhaps it should be!
    Gaining traction ? It’s a Norwegian Blue.
    You think?
    Only makes the front page of the Guardian today..
    And yet it was the main subject of the evening news for BBC, ITV and C4. So I’d say it’s still very much in the news.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 92,692
    surby said:

    Looks like the Tory poll leads have gone. Why ?

    Given Labour had leads for most of the latter part of last year you could equally say the Labour leads have gone too
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Foxy said:

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    It's very weird, even for conspiracy theorists. I can imagine just about imagine Islamists doing it to try to get a reaction against Assad (and even that seems unlikely), but why would Britain even bother, however nefarious some people think we are??

    Hadn't seen the ComRes poll in the podcast with the +1 Lab lead.
    I was lunching with a colleague today, an Iraqi, present in the UK 20 years and no Russophile or lefty.

    She thinks the USA is behind ISIS, and that the Chemical atack was staged to justify bombing.

    The reason being that she cannot believe Muslims or Arabs would do such evils.

    You could point out that Shia muslims are constantly at war with the Sunni muslims and vice versa.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:
    With the Windrush story gaining traction is it time for another Boris bid?

    After Mrs May's attempt to mislead Parliament without technically lying earlier today, perhaps it should be!
    Gaining traction ? It’s a Norwegian Blue.
    You think?
    Only makes the front page of the Guardian today..
    And yet it was the main subject of the evening news for BBC, ITV and C4. So I’d say it’s still very much in the news.
    And 3 days of it,Theresa what are you doing to me,just when I think you are on the front foot you F... it up.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 56,574
    surby said:

    Looks like the Tory poll leads have gone. Why ?

    Have there been polls today?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 56,574
    Foxy said:

    glw said:

    Foxy said:

    I was lunching with a colleague today, an Iraqi, present in the UK 20 years and no Russophile or lefty.

    She thinks the USA is behind ISIS, and that the Chemical atack was staged to justify bombing.

    The reason being that she cannot believe Muslims or Arabs would do such evils.

    What did you say to her when she said that?
    I said that I disagreed, politely. She is an old friend, and fled to Britain after the first Gulf War. She hates the Islamists, the Baathists and the USA more or less equally for destroying her homeland.
    Interesting that she doesn't feel the same way about the UK, who were heavily involved in the first Gulf War.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited April 2018
    RobD said:

    surby said:

    Looks like the Tory poll leads have gone. Why ?

    Have there been polls today?
    Well if the Tories are still in the lead in the next set of polls -

    Forget what I posted tonight ;-) but it's not pretty viewing the news the last couple of days.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 8,159
    tyson said:


    Is viagra something one can take to see what happens? I’ve not researched it, but soemthing tells me there is wealth of experience on pbCOM.....

    I know somebody who took 14 in a 72 hour run ashore in Dubai. His spigot was like a red jelly baby when he was finished. The surgeon said he should have been written up for a CGC.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    kle4 said:


    Isn't there supposed to be some statistic that essentially says a minimum of x will pick any option presented out of sheer bloody mindedness, no matter how terrible it is, even though you'd likely not get 1 in 100 for some opinions if you had them face to face?


    Yep. I seem to recall that 3% of Americans (10 million people!) state they've been abducted by aliens.

    Then again, perhaps that might explain the Kardashians. And Trump.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 35,030
    This is an interesting question - why are Trump’s advisers (including his former attorney) all talking as though they assume Trump is a criminal in serious legal jeopardy, when discussing the Cohen case ?
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/trumps-lawyer-cohen-forgets-to-pretend-trump-is-innocent.html
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Scott_P said:
    And they are all back up again. Odd that Guido, Red Roar and Politicshome use the same hosting company which had an outage in San Antonio.
    twitter.com/CogecoPeer1
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,261
    Nigelb said:

    This is an interesting question - why are Trump’s advisers (including his former attorney) all talking as though they assume Trump is a criminal in serious legal jeopardy, when discussing the Cohen case ?
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/trumps-lawyer-cohen-forgets-to-pretend-trump-is-innocent.html

    They know he's guilty. But will there be clear cut evidence?
    Will Republicans (particularly in the Senate) care?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,979
    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    10 hours on, I still can't believe 10% of Brits think we staged the chemical attack in Syria.

    It is making me rather cross.

    What is so strange about that number?
    That 10% of the country think we have a government and Prime Minister competent to pull of such a feat is just plain scary.
    Isn't there supposed to be some statistic that essentially says a minimum of x will pick any option presented out of sheer bloody mindedness, no matter how terrible it is, even though you'd likely not get 1 in 100 for some opinions if you had them face to face?
    Also, some people like to think they see things that other, more naive, people don’t and that consequently they’re more savvy and informed about the world.

    They start with that conclusion - how they’d like others to see them, and how they think about themselves - and then fit or create the facts to fit it after.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,979
    Saddened to hear the news about Dale Winton.

    He was in his early 40s last time I checked.

    Life really is too short.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,614
    Here’s what was meant to happen. Jeremy Corbyn would stride into PMQs, lambast Theresa May for the appalling treatment of the Windrush generation, and watch her dissolve before his righteous glare into a puddle of remorse. Unfortunately, however, there was a very slight hiccup. “Yesterday,” snapped Mr Corbyn, “we learnt that in 2010 the Home Office destroyed landing cards for a generation of Commonwealth citizens. Did the Prime Minister – the then home secretary – sign off that decision?”

    Labour frontbenchers licked their lips. I glanced down at Mrs May. She had a strange expression on her face. And it didn’t look like guilt. “No,” replied Mrs May crisply. “The decision to destroy the landing cards was taken in 2009 – under a Labour government.”

    Without another word, she plumped herself back down. There was a split-second of startled silence. Then bedlam. Tories roared and pointed at Mr Corbyn, their bellows a mixture of relief, astonishment, derision and glee. Mr Corbyn stared blankly at his notes. His notes stared blankly back.


    https://digitaledition.telegraph.co.uk/editions/edition_D8CdX_2018-04-19/data/478838/index.html
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,979
    Theresa May should go and see The Queen tomorrow and insist she creates 100 new Tory peers.

    I am happy to volunteer.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,614

    Theresa May should go and see The Queen tomorrow and insist she creates 100 new Tory peers.

    I am happy to volunteer.

    https://twitter.com/leftnon/status/986686858074738689?s=21
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Here’s what was meant to happen. Jeremy Corbyn would stride into PMQs, lambast Theresa May for the appalling treatment of the Windrush generation, and watch her dissolve before his righteous glare into a puddle of remorse. Unfortunately, however, there was a very slight hiccup. “Yesterday,” snapped Mr Corbyn, “we learnt that in 2010 the Home Office destroyed landing cards for a generation of Commonwealth citizens. Did the Prime Minister – the then home secretary – sign off that decision?”

    Labour frontbenchers licked their lips. I glanced down at Mrs May. She had a strange expression on her face. And it didn’t look like guilt. “No,” replied Mrs May crisply. “The decision to destroy the landing cards was taken in 2009 – under a Labour government.”

    Without another word, she plumped herself back down. There was a split-second of startled silence. Then bedlam. Tories roared and pointed at Mr Corbyn, their bellows a mixture of relief, astonishment, derision and glee. Mr Corbyn stared blankly at his notes. His notes stared blankly back.


    https://digitaledition.telegraph.co.uk/editions/edition_D8CdX_2018-04-19/data/478838/index.html

    That -- Theresa May's triumph -- is indeed what is meant to have happened, but unfortunately it all unravelled within an hour as the details became murkier and murkier. Fortunately for the Prime Minister, a right-wing cabal at MI5 arranged a celebrity death to wipe the whole mess off the front pages while Amber Rudd set up some sort of appeals hotline.
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