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Isn't the correct title:another_richard said:
Great Uncle Vince?
Somehow that fits his image so much better than the insubstantial Uncle Vince
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But the point is that these people were here lawfully so there should never have been an issue about whether or not they could remain. If it is true that there was little discussion of this law as it passed through Parliament, then that us a real failure of Parliamentary scrutiny.AlastairMeeks said:
There must come a point - and I would suggest that point is long past after 45 years - where whether someone has been here lawfully at all times, it is inhuman to expect them now to leave the country, them having made their life here.Cyclefree said:
Is it the law that is wrong? There is nothing inherently wrong with taking steps to ensure that illegal immigration is made harder and that those who facilitate it are punished.TOPPING said:
Yep. But Brexit did nothing to make the government think it had got it wrong.Cyclefree said:
Wasn’t the law in question before the Brexit referendum?TOPPING said:There is no scandal.
The Tories were elected to bring down immigration and the Brexit vote reminded them that the country was serious about it.
If anyone thought there wouldn’t be intended and unintended consequences as a result they hadn’t been paying attention.
Again, a great article by Free Movement posted yesterday (apols can’t remember who by) on it all.
What has been wrong is not taking steps - legislative and administrative - to regularise the position of those who were already here lawfully.
On your general point, I broadly agree - subject to caveats. For instance, terrorists or those who have committed very serious crimes should not be permitted to benefit from the law’s delays (someone like Abu Qatada, say).0 -
This conservative does and has been vocal about itAlastairMeeks said:The Windrush affair is not a bureaucratic bungle. It is a thought-through policy being rigidly enforced by officials acting in accordance with instructions both on policy and implementation given from ministerial level.
It is part of the new normal, the post-referendum world we live in where pandering to xenophobia is something that wins elections. Many of those that claim to deplore the consequences have played a major part in creating that world.
Of course heads should roll over this. And of course heads won't roll because when it comes down to it Conservatives simply don't care enough about it.0 -
Reinforced, yes. But not one that it started. Brexit happened in part because of the pre-existing climate, itself a reaction to peoples’ concerns. The referendum was not Year Zero in this respect.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a climate, one that the referendum campaign has powerfully reinforced.Cyclefree said:
Was it not a law introduced by the coalition government? So part of the context which led to Brexit rather than just a consequence of it?AlastairMeeks said:The Windrush affair is not a bureaucratic bungle. It is a thought-through policy being rigidly enforced by officials acting in accordance with instructions both on policy and implementation given from ministerial level.
It is part of the new normal, the post-referendum world we live in where pandering to xenophobia is something that wins elections. Many of those that claim to deplore the consequences have played a major part in creating that world.
Of course heads should roll over this. And of course heads won't roll because when it comes down to it Conservatives simply don't care enough about it.0 -
The Liberal Democrats proclaim their belief in free movement from the EU, but are the biggest NIMBYs when they are campaigning in local elections. Bring 'em in, but do not house them anywhere near me seems to be their mantra.0
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Adam Boulton is struggling because he is having to report wages are rising above inflation for the first time in years. Why is it not good news to him - nothing to do with it not fitting his narrative then0
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Will the people affected who happen to be seriously ill get the urgent NHS treatment the need and a profuse apology? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/denied-free-nhs-cancer-care-left-die-home-office-commonwealth?CMP=share_btn_twCyclefree said:
Was it not a law introduced by the coalition government? So part of the context which led to Brexit rather than just a consequence of it?AlastairMeeks said:The Windrush affair is not a bureaucratic bungle. It is a thought-through policy being rigidly enforced by officials acting in accordance with instructions both on policy and implementation given from ministerial level.
It is part of the new normal, the post-referendum world we live in where pandering to xenophobia is something that wins elections. Many of those that claim to deplore the consequences have played a major part in creating that world.
Of course heads should roll over this. And of course heads won't roll because when it comes down to it Conservatives simply don't care enough about it.
Will those who have already been deported be brought back, ideally in first or business class? I'd say they also deserve at least £50-100k. The govt.'s behaviour would have amounted to unlawful detention if not abduction.
Abduction is what the Russians were accusing us of doing to one of their citizens. FFS.0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
Adam Boulton is struggling because he is having to report wages are rising above inflation for the first time in years. Why is it not good news to him - nothing to do with it not fitting his narrative then
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Were your friends able to give you the comparable figures for A&E waiting times in Scotland and England, or, say, the murder clear up rates and violent crime reduction stats? Always good to see the solid evidence that informs 'impressions'.Sandpit said:
She about to get severely shot down in flames by the Supreme Court, for her bill that’s quite clearly unconstitutional.fitalass said:
I think that Sturgeon is far less likely to last this Parliamentary term.old_labour said:
I wonder if Ken Macintosh will last the term of the parliament as presiding officer.fitalass said:fitalass said:Twitter
Severin Carrell@severincarrell
BREAKING: @GOVUK applies to @UKSupremeCourt to challenge Scottish and Welsh #Brexit bills
Philip Sim@BBCPhilipSim
UK government confirms the Scottish and Welsh Brexit bills are being referred to the Supreme Court. Attorney General Jeremy Wright says legislation "risks creating serious legal uncertainty for individuals and businesses as we leave the EU"
Philip Sim@BBCPhilipSim
UKgov seeking ruling in Supreme Court as to whether devolved Brexit bills are "constitutional and properly within devolved legislative powers"
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Holyrood PO Ken Macintosh has argued Scottish Brexit bill isn't within @ScotParl's competence because it makes provision for exercise of powers parliament doesn't yet hold. However Lord Advocate James Wolffe contends that it is "carefully framed" not to cut across EU law
From my friends in Scotland, the impression I get is that the day to day running of the place is being seriously neglected, by a government who are only interested in constitutional games rather than health, education and policing.0 -
I don't like Adam Boulton.Big_G_NorthWales said:Adam Boulton is struggling because he is having to report wages are rising above inflation for the first time in years. Why is it not good news to him - nothing to do with it not fitting his narrative then
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There should certainly be generous compensation for anyone who has suffered as a result.rural_voter said:
Will the people affected who happen to be seriously ill get the urgent NHS treatment the need and a profuse apology? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/denied-free-nhs-cancer-care-left-die-home-office-commonwealth?CMP=share_btn_twCyclefree said:
Was it not a law introduced by the coalition government? So part of the context which led to Brexit rather than just a consequence of it?AlastairMeeks said:The Windrush affair is not a bureaucratic bungle. It is a thought-through policy being rigidly enforced by officials acting in accordance with instructions both on policy and implementation given from ministerial level.
It is part of the new normal, the post-referendum world we live in where pandering to xenophobia is something that wins elections. Many of those that claim to deplore the consequences have played a major part in creating that world.
Of course heads should roll over this. And of course heads won't roll because when it comes down to it Conservatives simply don't care enough about it.
Will those who have already been deported be brought back, ideally in first or business class? I'd say they also deserve at least £50-100k. The govt.'s behaviour would have amounted to unlawful detention if not abduction.
Abduction is what the Russians were accusing us of doing to one of their citizens. FFS.0 -
Labour "moderates", such as Yvette Cooper and Chris Leslie, refused to oppose Theresa May's Immigration Bill which led to the #WindrushGeneration scandal.
Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott were among just 7 Labour MPs who rebelled and voted against it.0 -
To be fair to Vince Cable (why?) dual-use rules can be utterly messy, at least in my limited experience. It'd be interesting to know more about what the chemicals were and what the claimed usage was.0
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Without questionCyclefree said:
There should certainly be generous compensation for anyone who has suffered as a result.rural_voter said:
Will the people affected who happen to be seriously ill get the urgent NHS treatment the need and a profuse apology? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/denied-free-nhs-cancer-care-left-die-home-office-commonwealth?CMP=share_btn_twCyclefree said:
Was it not a law introduced by the coalition government? So part of the context which led to Brexit rather than just a consequence of it?AlastairMeeks said:The Windrush affair is not a bureaucratic bungle. It is a thought-through policy being rigidly enforced by officials acting in accordance with instructions both on policy and implementation given from ministerial level.
It is part of the new normal, the post-referendum world we live in where pandering to xenophobia is something that wins elections. Many of those that claim to deplore the consequences have played a major part in creating that world.
Of course heads should roll over this. And of course heads won't roll because when it comes down to it Conservatives simply don't care enough about it.
Will those who have already been deported be brought back, ideally in first or business class? I'd say they also deserve at least £50-100k. The govt.'s behaviour would have amounted to unlawful detention if not abduction.
Abduction is what the Russians were accusing us of doing to one of their citizens. FFS.0 -
The more salient point is whether anyone raised the issue of those who were here lawfully who might be affected. It is not necessary to take no steps against illegal immigration to do right by those who are here lawfully.bigjohnowls said:Labour "moderates", such as Yvette Cooper and Chris Leslie, refused to oppose Theresa May's Immigration Bill which led to the #WindrushGeneration scandal.
Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott were among just 7 Labour MPs who rebelled and voted against it.
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This law change did come in during the coalition - the question is whether there was proper consultation. TMay had a terrible reputation during that period for not consulting.0
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The government claim as of 10 a.m. was that *nobody* has actually been deported as a result of this cock-up (which is not to say they haven't been threatened, refused medical treatment, lost pensions etc.)rural_voter said:
Will the people affected who happen to be seriously ill get the urgent NHS treatment the need and a profuse apology? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/denied-free-nhs-cancer-care-left-die-home-office-commonwealth?CMP=share_btn_twCyclefree said:
Was it not a law introduced by the coalition government? So part of the context which led to Brexit rather than just a consequence of it?AlastairMeeks said:The Windrush affair is not a bureaucratic bungle. It is a thought-through policy being rigidly enforced by officials acting in accordance with instructions both on policy and implementation given from ministerial level.
It is part of the new normal, the post-referendum world we live in where pandering to xenophobia is something that wins elections. Many of those that claim to deplore the consequences have played a major part in creating that world.
Of course heads should roll over this. And of course heads won't roll because when it comes down to it Conservatives simply don't care enough about it.
Will those who have already been deported be brought back, ideally in first or business class? I'd say they also deserve at least £50-100k. The govt.'s behaviour would have amounted to unlawful detention if not abduction.
Abduction is what the Russians were accusing us of doing to one of their citizens. FFS.
Except that they said nobody has been "sent abroad," which is new to me and presumably meant to sound cuddlier than deporting people.0 -
Ditto.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This conservative does and has been vocal about itAlastairMeeks said:The Windrush affair is not a bureaucratic bungle. It is a thought-through policy being rigidly enforced by officials acting in accordance with instructions both on policy and implementation given from ministerial level.
It is part of the new normal, the post-referendum world we live in where pandering to xenophobia is something that wins elections. Many of those that claim to deplore the consequences have played a major part in creating that world.
Of course heads should roll over this. And of course heads won't roll because when it comes down to it Conservatives simply don't care enough about it.0 -
May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.0 -
It was how they campaigned in the General Election down here in the SW. Green-belt nimbyism, going for the Kipper vote. For some reason, Brexit was not such a big font on their literature....old_labour said:The Liberal Democrats proclaim their belief in free movement from the EU, but are the biggest NIMBYs when they are campaigning in local elections. Bring 'em in, but do not house them anywhere near me seems to be their mantra.
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Rudd is in Office and must be under threat.but the government isn't despite your wishful thinkingSandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.0 -
A&E waiting times barely scratch the surface of the current crisis in the Scottish NHS under the stewardship of the SNP government at Holyrood, and it's a crisis entirely of their own making. Also worth noting that Nicola Sturgeon was Health Minister in Salmond's first term as FM.Theuniondivvie said:
Were your friends able to give you the comparable figures for A&E waiting times in Scotland and England, or, say, the murder clear up rates and violent crime reduction stats? Always good to see the solid evidence that informs 'impressions'.Sandpit said:
She about to get severely shot down in flames by the Supreme Court, for her bill that’s quite clearly unconstitutional.fitalass said:
I think that Sturgeon is far less likely to last this Parliamentary term.old_labour said:
I wonder if Ken Macintosh will last the term of the parliament as presiding officer.fitalass said:fitalass said:Twitter
Severin Carrell@severincarrell
BREAKING: @GOVUK applies to @UKSupremeCourt to challenge Scottish and Welsh #Brexit bills
Philip Sim@BBCPhilipSim
UK government confirms the Scottish and Welsh Brexit bills are being referred to the Supreme Court. Attorney General Jeremy Wright says legislation "risks creating serious legal uncertainty for individuals and businesses as we leave the EU"
Philip Sim@BBCPhilipSim
UKgov seeking ruling in Supreme Court as to whether devolved Brexit bills are "constitutional and properly within devolved legislative powers"
Philip Sim@BBCPhilipSim
Holyrood PO Ken Macintosh has argued Scottish Brexit bill isn't within @ScotParl's competence because it makes provision for exercise of powers parliament doesn't yet hold. However Lord Advocate James Wolffe contends that it is "carefully framed" not to cut across EU law
From my friends in Scotland, the impression I get is that the day to day running of the place is being seriously neglected, by a government who are only interested in constitutional games rather than health, education and policing.0 -
No-one has actually been deported owing to Labour anti-semitism either, which is what Guido chooses to lead on this morning. Thank heaven there is no racial slant to targeting Windrush. It is to the credit of pb Tories they have been quick to call foul on this, as pb socialists called out Corbyn.Ishmael_Z said:
The government claim as of 10 a.m. was that *nobody* has actually been deported as a result of this cock-up (which is not to say they haven't been threatened, refused medical treatment, lost pensions etc.)rural_voter said:
Will the people affected who happen to be seriously ill get the urgent NHS treatment the need and a profuse apology? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/denied-free-nhs-cancer-care-left-die-home-office-commonwealth?CMP=share_btn_twCyclefree said:
Was it not a law introduced by the coalition government? So part of the context which led to Brexit rather than just a consequence of it?AlastairMeeks said:The Windrush affair is not a bureaucratic bungle. It is a thought-through policy being rigidly enforced by officials acting in accordance with instructions both on policy and implementation given from ministerial level.
It is part of the new normal, the post-referendum world we live in where pandering to xenophobia is something that wins elections. Many of those that claim to deplore the consequences have played a major part in creating that world.
Of course heads should roll over this. And of course heads won't roll because when it comes down to it Conservatives simply don't care enough about it.
Will those who have already been deported be brought back, ideally in first or business class? I'd say they also deserve at least £50-100k. The govt.'s behaviour would have amounted to unlawful detention if not abduction.
Abduction is what the Russians were accusing us of doing to one of their citizens. FFS.
Except that they said nobody has been "sent abroad," which is new to me and presumably meant to sound cuddlier than deporting people.0 -
'My sense is that Mrs. May is pushing her luck at the moment: agreeing to the Syria attacks without recalling parliament, her handling of immigration while Home Secretary and of course the divides within her party over Brexit. Her Salisbury boost in the polls has fizzled out.'
I agree that we appear to be seeing a return to the Bad Old Theresa on show before the election fiasco - lofty, blinkered and convinced of her own righteousness. But she should be fine: the Tories won't want to rock the boat with a new leader lest he or she implodes spectacularly and lets Jezza in. Best to stick with the known option and hope that Jezza will have lost much of his campaigning alchemy next time.0 -
Oh good, a Tory suggesting that politicians should bear retrospective responsibility for ministerial departments which they previously ran.fitalass said:
A&E waiting times barely scratch the surface of the current crisis in the Scottish NHS under the stewardship of the SNP government at Holyrood, and it's a crisis entirely of their own making. Also worth noting that Nicola Sturgeon was Health Minister in Salmond's first term as FM.Theuniondivvie said:
Were your friends able to give you the comparable figures for A&E waiting times in Scotland and England, or, say, the murder clear up rates and violent crime reduction stats? Always good to see the solid evidence that informs 'impressions'.Sandpit said:
She about to get severely shot down in flames by the Supreme Court, for her bill that’s quite clearly unconstitutional.fitalass said:
I think that Sturgeon is far less likely to last this Parliamentary term.old_labour said:
I wonder if Ken Macintosh will last the term of the parliament as presiding officer.fitalass said:fitalass said:Twitter
Severin Carrell@severincarrell
BREAKING: @GOVUK applies to @UKSupremeCourt to challenge Scottish and Welsh #Brexit bills
Philip Sim@BBCPhilipSim
UK government confirms the Scottish and Welsh Brexit bills are being referred to the Supreme Court. Attorney General Jeremy Wright says legislation "risks creating serious legal uncertainty for individuals and businesses as we leave the EU"
Philip Sim@BBCPhilipSim
UKgov seeking ruling in Supreme Court as to whether devolved Brexit bills are "constitutional and properly within devolved legislative powers"
Philip Sim@BBCPhilipSim
Holyrood PO Ken Macintosh has argued Scottish Brexit bill isn't within @ScotParl's competence because it makes provision for exercise of powers parliament doesn't yet hold. However Lord Advocate James Wolffe contends that it is "carefully framed" not to cut across EU law
From my friends in Scotland, the impression I get is that the day to day running of the place is being seriously neglected, by a government who are only interested in constitutional games rather than health, education and policing.
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Presumably ‘Albert Thompson’ (it’s a pseudonym), the guy who was refused prostate cancer treatment without forking out £54k up front will very shortly get a letter from Amber Rudd and rock up for treatment.
If so, what’s going to happen to the £30k already collected? Prostate Cancer Research would be my chose, as a donor and sufferer.0 -
Excellent suggestionOldKingCole said:Presumably ‘Albert Thompson’ (it’s a pseudonym), the guy who was refused prostate cancer treatment without forking out £54k up front will very shortly get a letter from Amber Rudd and rock up for treatment.
If so, what’s going to happen to the £30k already collected? Prostate Cancer Research would be my chose, as a donor and sufferer.0 -
Do you have a link for that please?bigjohnowls said:Labour "moderates", such as Yvette Cooper and Chris Leslie, refused to oppose Theresa May's Immigration Bill which led to the #WindrushGeneration scandal.
Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott were among just 7 Labour MPs who rebelled and voted against it.0 -
Lecturer on Media and Communication at University of Winchester...
https://twitter.com/SChrles/status/9861811479683932160 -
The weasel words may hide the fact that they've been removed from their home, detained against their will but not yet bundled onto a plane against their will. It's still a serious offence to treat people like that.Ishmael_Z said:
The government claim as of 10 a.m. was that *nobody* has actually been deported as a result of this cock-up (which is not to say they haven't been threatened, refused medical treatment, lost pensions etc.)rural_voter said:
Will the people affected who happen to be seriously ill get the urgent NHS treatment the need and a profuse apology? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/denied-free-nhs-cancer-care-left-die-home-office-commonwealth?CMP=share_btn_twCyclefree said:
Was it not a law introduced by the coalition government? So part of the context which led to Brexit rather than just a consequence of it?AlastairMeeks said:The Windrush affair is not a bureaucratic bungle. It is a thought-through policy being rigidly enforced by officials acting in accordance with instructions both on policy and implementation given from ministerial level.
It is part of the new normal, the post-referendum world we live in where pandering to xenophobia is something that wins elections. Many of those that claim to deplore the consequences have played a major part in creating that world.
Of course heads should roll over this. And of course heads won't roll because when it comes down to it Conservatives simply don't care enough about it.
Will those who have already been deported be brought back, ideally in first or business class? I'd say they also deserve at least £50-100k. The govt.'s behaviour would have amounted to unlawful detention if not abduction.
Abduction is what the Russians were accusing us of doing to one of their citizens. FFS.
Except that they said nobody has been "sent abroad," which is new to me and presumably meant to sound cuddlier than deporting people.0 -
The thing about Chris Williamsov is we know he's the Icarus of the rabid left...it's just a matter of time before his wing-nuts fall off entirely but in the meantime, what a ride.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/9861797207977410560 -
Precisely, a 30-second check should be able to resolve for this for many people.Pulpstar said:NI records are all electronically stored for everyone in the country so far as I can work out. It seems to be a major IT database that actually works!, I accessed it the other day so the Gov't should be able to work out themselves if someone has been here x number of years before going to the expense of sticking them on a flight to Jamaica or w/e..
It won't cover all cases (women who stayed at home bringing up families may not be covered, others will have gaps for other reasons), but it would greatly reduce the number of cases where more checks are needed if the government simply accepted the NI record as by definition conclusive evidence.0 -
The people voted in the Conservatives, who thereby received a mandate to reduce immigration as per their manifesto commitment. I am not particularly proud of the fact that, although I was one of those people, I didn't give serious enough thought to the consequences of such a policy.SandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.
Now they are being criticised for bringing the policy in whereas it was the one they were elected on. (The other side of that coin is, of course, that they are criticised for not bringing down non-EU immigration.)0 -
Sodium chloride is the precursor to chlorine which seems to have been the toxic chemical used in this case. Sodium chloride has dual uses.JosiasJessop said:To be fair to Vince Cable (why?) dual-use rules can be utterly messy, at least in my limited experience. It'd be interesting to know more about what the chemicals were and what the claimed usage was.
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maybe bottom of this webpage.old_labour said:
Do you have a link for that please?bigjohnowls said:Labour "moderates", such as Yvette Cooper and Chris Leslie, refused to oppose Theresa May's Immigration Bill which led to the #WindrushGeneration scandal.
Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott were among just 7 Labour MPs who rebelled and voted against it.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cm140130/debtext/140130-0004.htm#140130620031700 -
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Probably in combination with some of that nasty dihydrogen monoxide.Barnesian said:
Sodium chloride is the precursor to chlorine which seems to have been the toxic chemical used in this case. Sodium chloride has dual uses.JosiasJessop said:To be fair to Vince Cable (why?) dual-use rules can be utterly messy, at least in my limited experience. It'd be interesting to know more about what the chemicals were and what the claimed usage was.
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Cameron at GE2010 and May at GE2017 both failed to win majorities and therefore had no mandate.TOPPING said:
The people voted in the Conservatives, who thereby received a mandate to reduce immigration as per their manifesto commitment. I am not particularly proud of the fact that, although I was one of those people, I didn't give serious enough thought to the consequences of such a policy.SandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.
Now they are being criticised for bringing the policy in whereas it was the one they were elected on. (The other side of that coin is, of course, that they are criticised for not bringing down non-EU immigration.)0 -
I would have thought it was possible to crack down on people who are here illegally, without having to throw out people who have lived here lawfully, for decades. It really doesn't follow that if you support the former, the latter logically follows.Cyclefree said:
The more salient point is whether anyone raised the issue of those who were here lawfully who might be affected. It is not necessary to take no steps against illegal immigration to do right by those who are here lawfully.bigjohnowls said:Labour "moderates", such as Yvette Cooper and Chris Leslie, refused to oppose Theresa May's Immigration Bill which led to the #WindrushGeneration scandal.
Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott were among just 7 Labour MPs who rebelled and voted against it.0 -
Esther's idea of being nice would be put an ill dog out its misery by battering it to death with a baseball bat.SandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.0 -
Is this it at the bottom of the page?bigjohnowls said:Labour "moderates", such as Yvette Cooper and Chris Leslie, refused to oppose Theresa May's Immigration Bill which led to the #WindrushGeneration scandal.
Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott were among just 7 Labour MPs who rebelled and voted against it.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cm140130/debtext/140130-0004.htm#140130620031700 -
Yeah well they ended up forming governments and that's the system we're stuck with.MikeSmithson said:
Cameron at GE2010 and May at GE2017 both failed to win majorities and therefore had no mandate.TOPPING said:
The people voted in the Conservatives, who thereby received a mandate to reduce immigration as per their manifesto commitment. I am not particularly proud of the fact that, although I was one of those people, I didn't give serious enough thought to the consequences of such a policy.SandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.
Now they are being criticised for bringing the policy in whereas it was the one they were elected on. (The other side of that coin is, of course, that they are criticised for not bringing down non-EU immigration.)0 -
To coin a phrase, they are the nasty party.MarqueeMark said:
It was how they campaigned in the General Election down here in the SW. Green-belt nimbyism, going for the Kipper vote. For some reason, Brexit was not such a big font on their literature....old_labour said:The Liberal Democrats proclaim their belief in free movement from the EU, but are the biggest NIMBYs when they are campaigning in local elections. Bring 'em in, but do not house them anywhere near me seems to be their mantra.
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While that is so, the Coalition had a clear majority of both seats and votes, and the Coalition chose to implement legislation to make life tougher for illegal immigrants (for the avoidance of doubt, I think the Coalition was right to do so).MikeSmithson said:
Cameron at GE2010 and May at GE2017 both failed to win majorities and therefore had no mandate.TOPPING said:
The people voted in the Conservatives, who thereby received a mandate to reduce immigration as per their manifesto commitment. I am not particularly proud of the fact that, although I was one of those people, I didn't give serious enough thought to the consequences of such a policy.SandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.
Now they are being criticised for bringing the policy in whereas it was the one they were elected on. (The other side of that coin is, of course, that they are criticised for not bringing down non-EU immigration.)0 -
@Barnesian
From before, TMay might be many things, but she's not autistic. Burnham would testify to that through the work with the Hillsborough associations. Corbyn is much more on the spectrum...his interest in drainpipe and train timetables, say no more....On that matter, 90% of the pbCOM commentariat are well up the spectrum...from those obsessively posting on all things F1 to the folk who get off on different Brexit options....And yes, those of you here who are aged 12 and over and obsess over any of...Dr Who, Star Wars, James Bond...yes you are all on the spectrum.
Windrush is one of those policy fuckups that gets mashed by the law of unintended consequences.
That said, it is a political gift to TMay's opponents......0 -
Poor Danny boy. He has not recovered from David Miliband losing the Labour leadership election.Scrapheap_as_was said:The thing about Chris Williamsov is we know he's the Icarus of the rabid left...it's just a matter of time before his wing-nuts fall off entirely but in the meantime, what a ride.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/9861797207977410560 -
The problem is that when you are dealing with ongoing cuts, staff turnover, agency staff, no continuity...set against constant policy changes.....even the best of us would struggle to manage a piss up in a brewery never mind something as complex as immigration....Sean_F said:
I would have thought it was possible to crack down on people who are here illegally, without having to throw out people who have lived here lawfully, for decades. It really doesn't follow that if you support the former, the latter logically follows.Cyclefree said:
The more salient point is whether anyone raised the issue of those who were here lawfully who might be affected. It is not necessary to take no steps against illegal immigration to do right by those who are here lawfully.bigjohnowls said:Labour "moderates", such as Yvette Cooper and Chris Leslie, refused to oppose Theresa May's Immigration Bill which led to the #WindrushGeneration scandal.
Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott were among just 7 Labour MPs who rebelled and voted against it.
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I 'd hazard a guess that Arron Banks might soon be getting a letter from the Information Commissioner. See 11:14 here:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/apr/17/syria-debate-corbyn-may-will-be-very-frightened-by-internet-campaigning-nazi-propaganda-revelations-says-culture-committee-chair-politics-live
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The Scottish homicide rate has fallen 47% since 2007.
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Mr. Tyson, I did once have someone who (genuinely, not unkindly) suggested I might be on the autism spectrum. Whilst I do have one or two of the quirks, my capacity to lie and also to be tremendously witty and modest suggest it's unlikely.
However, those on the spectrum do get better treatment generally here than elsewhere, due to the legacy of a fondness for eccentrics.
There's also a serious risk of over-diagnosing generally, as well as over-pathologising so every damned personal quirk becomes medicalised, a condition of some variety.0 -
I'd disagree. In 2010 the Lib Dems and Tories formed the Gov't, together they had a mandate. In 2017 the parties forming the Gov't (And a majority of seats) are the DUP + Tories.MikeSmithson said:
Cameron at GE2010 and May at GE2017 both failed to win majorities and therefore had no mandate.TOPPING said:
The people voted in the Conservatives, who thereby received a mandate to reduce immigration as per their manifesto commitment. I am not particularly proud of the fact that, although I was one of those people, I didn't give serious enough thought to the consequences of such a policy.SandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.
Now they are being criticised for bringing the policy in whereas it was the one they were elected on. (The other side of that coin is, of course, that they are criticised for not bringing down non-EU immigration.)
If Corbyn wins via Labour + Uncle Tom Cobley in 2022 he will have a mandate.
Confidence of the commons is the crucial test, not gaining a majority.0 -
It also strengthens Boris: after this foul-up with TMay's fingerprints all over it, she can hardly use his ill-chosen comments about Obama against him, which was possible after the Labour anti-semitism row.tyson said:@Barnesian
From before, TMay might be many things, but she's not autistic. Burnham would testify to that through the work with the Hillsborough associations. Corbyn is much more on the spectrum...his interest in drainpipe and train timetables, say no more....On that matter, 90% of the pbCOM commentariat are well up the spectrum...from those obsessively posting on all things F1 to the folk who get off on different Brexit options....And yes, those of you here who are aged 12 and over and obsess over any of...Dr Who, Star Wars, James Bond...yes you are all on the spectrum.
Windrush is one of those policy fuckups that gets mashed by the law of unintended consequences.
That said, it is a political gift to TMay's opponents......0 -
I'm not saying this should bring down the government - just a change of PM and Home Sec.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Rudd is in Office and must be under threat.but the government isn't despite your wishful thinkingSandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.
Let BoJo or the Moggster take over.0 -
Yes but there can be no mandate for what was fudged together in the coalition negotiations, as Nick Clegg acknowledged in 2010.Pulpstar said:
I'd disagree. In 2010 the Lib Dems and Tories formed the Gov't, together they had a mandate. In 2017 the parties forming the Gov't (And a majority of seats) are the DUP + Tories.MikeSmithson said:
Cameron at GE2010 and May at GE2017 both failed to win majorities and therefore had no mandate.TOPPING said:
The people voted in the Conservatives, who thereby received a mandate to reduce immigration as per their manifesto commitment. I am not particularly proud of the fact that, although I was one of those people, I didn't give serious enough thought to the consequences of such a policy.SandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.
Now they are being criticised for bringing the policy in whereas it was the one they were elected on. (The other side of that coin is, of course, that they are criticised for not bringing down non-EU immigration.)
If Corbyn wins via Labour + Uncle Tom Cobley in 2022 he will have a mandate.
Confidence of the commons is the crucial test, not gaining a majority.0 -
Neither will win the leadership IMOSandyRentool said:
I'm not saying this should bring down the government - just a change of PM and Home Sec.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Rudd is in Office and must be under threat.but the government isn't despite your wishful thinkingSandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.
Let BoJo or the Moggster take over.0 -
Theresa May meeting with leaders of the Caribbean countries today. Oh, to be a fly on the wall.0
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As a mathematician and political obsessive, I'm definitely on the spectrum, and I think you are right about many PBers.tyson said:@Barnesian
From before, TMay might be many things, but she's not autistic. Burnham would testify to that through the work with the Hillsborough associations. Corbyn is much more on the spectrum...his interest in drainpipe and train timetables, say no more....On that matter, 90% of the pbCOM commentariat are well up the spectrum...from those obsessively posting on all things F1 to the folk who get off on different Brexit options....And yes, those of you here who are aged 12 and over and obsess over any of...Dr Who, Star Wars, James Bond...yes you are all on the spectrum.
Windrush is one of those policy fuckups that gets mashed by the law of unintended consequences.
That said, it is a political gift to TMay's opponents......
I've just done a course on autism to understand it better.
https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/autism
Corbyn has his obsessions, as you say, but he displays empathy in his relationships.
May has more features of autism which presents as behavioural difference in communication, social interactions and patterns of behaviour which include:
literal interpretation of information (rather than contextual interpretation)
an eye for details (rather than for the ‘big picture’)
concrete things and facts (rather than abstract things and vague ideas)
following the rules (rather than ‘living between the rules’)
absolutes (rather than ‘relativism’)
calculations (rather than intuitive feelings)
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I think it is incumbent upon the incumbent to try to action as much of the manifesto as possible. Nick Clegg thought so too but was over-ruled by the majority coalition party. Such again is a feature or bug of our system.DecrepitJohnL said:
Yes but there can be no mandate for what was fudged together in the coalition negotiations, as Nick Clegg acknowledged in 2010.Pulpstar said:
I'd disagree. In 2010 the Lib Dems and Tories formed the Gov't, together they had a mandate. In 2017 the parties forming the Gov't (And a majority of seats) are the DUP + Tories.MikeSmithson said:
Cameron at GE2010 and May at GE2017 both failed to win majorities and therefore had no mandate.TOPPING said:
The people voted in the Conservatives, who thereby received a mandate to reduce immigration as per their manifesto commitment. I am not particularly proud of the fact that, although I was one of those people, I didn't give serious enough thought to the consequences of such a policy.SandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.
Now they are being criticised for bringing the policy in whereas it was the one they were elected on. (The other side of that coin is, of course, that they are criticised for not bringing down non-EU immigration.)
If Corbyn wins via Labour + Uncle Tom Cobley in 2022 he will have a mandate.
Confidence of the commons is the crucial test, not gaining a majority.
And of course, poor thing, he has never been forgiven for getting into power under such circumstances, and with such constraints, since.0 -
When did any UK party last win over 50% of the votes at a general election - what, itcould be argued, is necessary to claim a mandate?MikeSmithson said:
Cameron at GE2010 and May at GE2017 both failed to win majorities and therefore had no mandate.TOPPING said:
The people voted in the Conservatives, who thereby received a mandate to reduce immigration as per their manifesto commitment. I am not particularly proud of the fact that, although I was one of those people, I didn't give serious enough thought to the consequences of such a policy.SandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.
Now they are being criticised for bringing the policy in whereas it was the one they were elected on. (The other side of that coin is, of course, that they are criticised for not bringing down non-EU immigration.)0 -
Theresa May urges Commonwealth countries to reform 'outdated' homosexuality laws
Ms May tells Commonwealth leaders she 'deeply regrets' colonial-era legislation and the legacy of discrimination left behind
But happy to deport gay people to Jamaica, cats and all.0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
Adam Boulton is struggling because he is having to report wages are rising above inflation for the first time in years. Why is it not good news to him - nothing to do with it not fitting his narrative then
Apparently it is only a year since wages were last rising above inflation.0 -
On topic - I'd imagine Mr Brady hasn't had as few letters in his drawer since last summer.
May is safe as long as losses in the council elections are sub 200.0 -
They had a mandate to govern but no mandate to implement what happened to be in one of the party's manifesto, which is what we were talking about.Pulpstar said:
I'd disagree. In 2010 the Lib Dems and Tories formed the Gov't, together they had a mandate. In 2017 the parties forming the Gov't (And a majority of seats) are the DUP + Tories.MikeSmithson said:
Cameron at GE2010 and May at GE2017 both failed to win majorities and therefore had no mandate.TOPPING said:
The people voted in the Conservatives, who thereby received a mandate to reduce immigration as per their manifesto commitment. I am not particularly proud of the fact that, although I was one of those people, I didn't give serious enough thought to the consequences of such a policy.SandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.
Now they are being criticised for bringing the policy in whereas it was the one they were elected on. (The other side of that coin is, of course, that they are criticised for not bringing down non-EU immigration.)
If Corbyn wins via Labour + Uncle Tom Cobley in 2022 he will have a mandate.
Confidence of the commons is the crucial test, not gaining a majority.0 -
Many men are on the spectrum somewhere...some of my very close friends who are witty, humorous, warm etc.... are very, very spectrumy, some have an insight and some don't. Without a bit of asbergers in our genes nothing would have been invented...we'd all be living in the wild beating each other over heads with clubs.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Tyson, I did once have someone who (genuinely, not unkindly) suggested I might be on the autism spectrum. Whilst I do have one or two of the quirks, my capacity to lie and also to be tremendously witty and modest suggest it's unlikely.
However, those on the spectrum do get better treatment generally here than elsewhere, due to the legacy of a fondness for eccentrics.
There's also a serious risk of over-diagnosing generally, as well as over-pathologising so every damned personal quirk becomes medicalised, a condition of some variety.
It's not just your interest in F1...the sci fi and fantasy side is a bit of a giveaway. Nicky P likes sci fi and role playing games....do we need to say more, and he is a lovely fella.
Spectrumy and pompous are bad combinations...that is often because spectrumy people are very intelligent and cannot deal with fools easily....
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Theresa May slashed police numbers and it bit her in the arse during the election campaign after the terror attack in Manchester. Now, her withdrawal of protection from deportation for the Windrush generation has come back to haunt her. I fear this war in Syria is not going to end well either.0
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+1old_labour said:The Liberal Democrats proclaim their belief in free movement from the EU, but are the biggest NIMBYs when they are campaigning in local elections. Bring 'em in, but do not house them anywhere near me seems to be their mantra.
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Over in the US the Dems lead in the generic congressional ballot seems to be declining slightly. I've traded out of my position that Dems would retake the House for a reasonable profit.0
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Is the present Home Office , institutionally racist ?0
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Since Esther won't be there, at least the fly can be reasonably confident of not having its wings pulled off.old_labour said:Theresa May meeting with leaders of the Caribbean countries today. Oh, to be a fly on the wall.
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Finally, someone in Western Europe has noticed the big problems in EU east zone:
"The European Union risks being torn apart by a “civil war” between its liberal and authoritarian democracies, Emmanuel Macron, the president of France has warned."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/17/macron-warns-european-civil-war-growing-east-west-divide/0 -
What on earth are you talking about?tyson said:
Many men are on the spectrum somewhere...some of my very close friends who are witty, humorous, warm etc.... are very, very spectrumy, some have an insight and some don't. Without a bit of asbergers in our genes nothing would have been invented...we'd all be living in the wild beating each other over heads with clubs.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Tyson, I did once have someone who (genuinely, not unkindly) suggested I might be on the autism spectrum. Whilst I do have one or two of the quirks, my capacity to lie and also to be tremendously witty and modest suggest it's unlikely.
However, those on the spectrum do get better treatment generally here than elsewhere, due to the legacy of a fondness for eccentrics.
There's also a serious risk of over-diagnosing generally, as well as over-pathologising so every damned personal quirk becomes medicalised, a condition of some variety.
It's not just your interest in F1...the sci fi and fantasy side is a bit of a giveaway. Nicky P likes sci fi and role playing games....do we need to say more, and he is a lovely fella.
Spectrumy and pompous are bad combinations...that is often because spectrumy people are very intelligent and cannot deal with fools easily....0 -
In 2013, the coalition stopped legal aid for divorce, child contact, welfare benefits, employment, clinical negligence, domestic abuse and housing law (homelessness) except in very limited circumstances.
The Liberal Democrats must have known about this if they had a passing accquanitance with a newspaper or the Today programme on Radio 4.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22936684
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Since the the 6th April the NLW has risen by 4.4% and the personal tax allowance has risen to £11,850.David_Evershed said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Adam Boulton is struggling because he is having to report wages are rising above inflation for the first time in years. Why is it not good news to him - nothing to do with it not fitting his narrative then
Apparently it is only a year since wages were last rising above inflation.
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Mr. Tyson, lots of psych conditions have stark gender splits (psychopaths are very much more likely to be male). Not sure how it stands for the autism spectrum.
I think the sci-fi/fantasy aspect is irrelevant. If you look at the biggest film franchises in history (Harry Potter, Star Wars, and James Bond), two out of three are SFF. It's just very popular.
And, as we know, all wise men like F1.0 -
What was the unintended consequence here? Surely the law, the manifesto and not least the Prime Minister's slow reaction all suggest that deporting these people was indeed the intention and the only unintended bit was the political damage.tyson said:@Barnesian
From before, TMay might be many things, but she's not autistic. Burnham would testify to that through the work with the Hillsborough associations. Corbyn is much more on the spectrum...his interest in drainpipe and train timetables, say no more....On that matter, 90% of the pbCOM commentariat are well up the spectrum...from those obsessively posting on all things F1 to the folk who get off on different Brexit options....And yes, those of you here who are aged 12 and over and obsess over any of...Dr Who, Star Wars, James Bond...yes you are all on the spectrum.
Windrush is one of those policy fuckups that gets mashed by the law of unintended consequences.
That said, it is a political gift to TMay's opponents......0 -
rottenborough said:
Finally, someone in Western Europe has noticed the big problems in EU east zone:
"The European Union risks being torn apart by a “civil war” between its liberal and authoritarian democracies, Emmanuel Macron, the president of France has warned."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/17/macron-warns-european-civil-war-growing-east-west-divide/
He's a very adept politician that Macron bloke...from managing Trump to now filling the vacuum in mainstream Europe that is being vacated by populism....
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The Windrush scandal is dreadful and it is being addressed but it should not have happened.old_labour said:Theresa May slashed police numbers and it bit her in the arse during the election campaign after the terror attack in Manchester. Now, her withdrawal of protection from deportation for the Windrush generation has come back to haunt her. I fear this war in Syria is not going to end well either.
Syria will be a positive for TM and an added benefit is Corbyn's exposure to the accusation that his foreign policy is subject to a Russian veto. That will cost him in an election0 -
Naughty.DecrepitJohnL said:
What was the unintended consequence here? Surely the law, the manifesto and not least the Prime Minister's slow reaction all suggest that deporting these people was indeed the intention and the only unintended bit was the political damage.tyson said:@Barnesian
From before, TMay might be many things, but she's not autistic. Burnham would testify to that through the work with the Hillsborough associations. Corbyn is much more on the spectrum...his interest in drainpipe and train timetables, say no more....On that matter, 90% of the pbCOM commentariat are well up the spectrum...from those obsessively posting on all things F1 to the folk who get off on different Brexit options....And yes, those of you here who are aged 12 and over and obsess over any of...Dr Who, Star Wars, James Bond...yes you are all on the spectrum.
Windrush is one of those policy fuckups that gets mashed by the law of unintended consequences.
That said, it is a political gift to TMay's opponents......
The intention was to ensure that people who had no right to live here could not receive the benefits of citizenship. Fair enough.
The unintended consequence was that proving the right to live here turned out to be problematic for a subset of people with a right to live here which, it seems, no one foresaw.0 -
Wage growth by sector.
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Mr. City, I think the UK's migration bureaucracy is more likely to be institutionally incompetent than racist. I remember reading here of terrible and obviously stupid mistakes made regarding Americans who had every right to work here yet, upon a quick holiday back home, returned to Blighty only to find their status under question.0
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Yesterdays debate on Syria was led, proposed and summed up by Labour MP Alison McGovern.
She did an excellent job, was confident, and had cross party support - just let down by Labour MP abstentions at the vote.
I suggest Alison McGovern as a future Labour leader once/if their Left Wing is tamed.0 -
I notice that Shami Chakrabarti has said that the recommendations made in her (not at all white-wash of) report in antisemitism still haven't been implemented.Scrapheap_as_was said:The thing about Chris Williamsov is we know he's the Icarus of the rabid left...it's just a matter of time before his wing-nuts fall off entirely but in the meantime, what a ride.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/9861797207977410560 -
She really impressed meDavid_Evershed said:Yesterdays debate on Syria was led, proposed and summed up by Labour MP Alison McGovern.
She did an excellent job, was confident, and had cross party support - just let down by Labour MP abstentions at the vote.
I suggest Alison McGovern as a future Labour leader once/if their Left Wing is tamed.0 -
If Donald trump withdraws his support from action against Syria or Russia, she will be more exposed than a nude swimmer as the tide goes out.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Windrush scandal is dreadful and it is being addressed but it should not have happened.old_labour said:Theresa May slashed police numbers and it bit her in the arse during the election campaign after the terror attack in Manchester. Now, her withdrawal of protection from deportation for the Windrush generation has come back to haunt her. I fear this war in Syria is not going to end well either.
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Methinks that is your political prejudice which of course you are entitled toold_labour said:
If Donald trump withdraws his support from action against Syria or Russia, she will be more exposed than a nude swimmer as the tide goes out.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Windrush scandal is dreadful and it is being addressed but it should not have happened.old_labour said:Theresa May slashed police numbers and it bit her in the arse during the election campaign after the terror attack in Manchester. Now, her withdrawal of protection from deportation for the Windrush generation has come back to haunt her. I fear this war in Syria is not going to end well either.
Syria will be a positive for TM and an added benefit is Corbyn's exposure to the accusation that his foreign policy is subject to a Russian veto. That will cost him in an election0 -
Corbyn outsourcing his foreign policy to the UN and thus subject to Russian veto.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Windrush scandal is dreadful and it is being addressed but it should not have happened.old_labour said:Theresa May slashed police numbers and it bit her in the arse during the election campaign after the terror attack in Manchester. Now, her withdrawal of protection from deportation for the Windrush generation has come back to haunt her. I fear this war in Syria is not going to end well either.
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As an aside, that site is hosted on Amazon. I doubt there is a single American government, state government or dog warden web site hosted by a Scottish provider. That's how America supports its own companies and turns them into world-beaters. Scotland and Britain, not so much.old_labour said:The Scottish homicide rate has fallen 47% since 2007.
https://beta.gov.scot/publications/homicide-scotland-2016-17-9781788512367/0 -
https://labourlist.org/2018/04/richard-angell-if-corbyn-wants-to-rid-labour-of-antisemitism-he-could-clean-up-twitter/FrancisUrquhart said:
I notice that Shami Chakrabarti has said that the recommendations made in her (not at all white-wash of) report in antisemitism still haven't been implemented.Scrapheap_as_was said:The thing about Chris Williamsov is we know he's the Icarus of the rabid left...it's just a matter of time before his wing-nuts fall off entirely but in the meantime, what a ride.
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Baldwin in 1931 got 55% and that was the last time a party got over 50%.David_Evershed said:
When did any UK party last win over 50% of the votes at a general election - what, itcould be argued, is necessary to claim a mandate?MikeSmithson said:
Cameron at GE2010 and May at GE2017 both failed to win majorities and therefore had no mandate.TOPPING said:
The people voted in the Conservatives, who thereby received a mandate to reduce immigration as per their manifesto commitment. I am not particularly proud of the fact that, although I was one of those people, I didn't give serious enough thought to the consequences of such a policy.SandyRentool said:May and Rudd should both go, and go now.
Just when people might be forgetting that the Tories are the Nasty Party, they kindly give us a stark reminder.
Poor Esther, her efforts at being Nasty yesterday were completely overshadowed.
Now they are being criticised for bringing the policy in whereas it was the one they were elected on. (The other side of that coin is, of course, that they are criticised for not bringing down non-EU immigration.)
Though Eden and Macmillan came close in 1955 and 1959 with 49%0 -
F1: still Red Bull at 17 on Betfair (15.5 on Ladbrokes Exchange) for the Constructors'. Whilst they are probably the outsider of the top three, that does look too long to me.0
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Immigration is usually said to be a civil matter. Why can't being here at least six years without objection give you the right to remain indefinitely? In case of a challenge, provide the written evidence and let a judge decide. But as you imply, that sort of justice doesn't seem to be on offer.DecrepitJohnL said:
What was the unintended consequence here? Surely the law, the manifesto and not least the Prime Minister's slow reaction all suggest that deporting these people was indeed the intention and the only unintended bit was the political damage.tyson said:@Barnesian
From before, TMay might be many things, but she's not autistic. Burnham would testify to that through the work with the Hillsborough associations. Corbyn is much more on the spectrum...his interest in drainpipe and train timetables, say no more....On that matter, 90% of the pbCOM commentariat are well up the spectrum...from those obsessively posting on all things F1 to the folk who get off on different Brexit options....And yes, those of you here who are aged 12 and over and obsess over any of...Dr Who, Star Wars, James Bond...yes you are all on the spectrum.
Windrush is one of those policy fuckups that gets mashed by the law of unintended consequences.
That said, it is a political gift to TMay's opponents......
Meanwhile, the UK continues selling citizenship. If you have a spare £5-10M or so, you may still become a legal immigrant. Surely such a nasty party can only be at 40% in the polls by facing an inept opposition which doesn't draw attention to the nastiest policies.
Or, given the deafening silence, maybe some of this was Labour policy before 2010 ... another PBer may know.0 -
Mr Ethical
Verified account @nw_nicholas
1h1 hour ago
Theresa May's husband's company, Capital Group is the second largest shareholder in Lockheed Martin, who's share rocketed after Syria attack
https://twitter.com/nw_nicholas/status/9861753564733480970 -
We are getting very close to a point where 'methinks the lady doth protest too much' which would be a shame but its's starting to look bogus.FrancisUrquhart said:
I notice that Shami Chakrabarti has said that the recommendations made in her (not at all white-wash of) report in antisemitism still haven't been implemented.Scrapheap_as_was said:The thing about Chris Williamsov is we know he's the Icarus of the rabid left...it's just a matter of time before his wing-nuts fall off entirely but in the meantime, what a ride.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/986179720797741056
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Err, didn't she abstain herself, and criticise the SNP for voting for her motion? They're not called the Labstainers for nothing.David_Evershed said:Yesterdays debate on Syria was led, proposed and summed up by Labour MP Alison McGovern.
She did an excellent job, was confident, and had cross party support - just let down by Labour MP abstentions at the vote.
I suggest Alison McGovern as a future Labour leader once/if their Left Wing is tamed.0 -
Theresa May has apologised to leaders of the Caribbean after the Windrush fiasco. LBC Radio0
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Are there any Scottish providers that have the sort of tech offered by the likes of AWS? To be perfectly honest, you have to have a really good reason not to use them these days when it comes to web services.DecrepitJohnL said:
As an aside, that site is hosted on Amazon. I doubt there is a single American government, state government or dog warden web site hosted by a Scottish provider. That's how America supports its own companies and turns them into world-beaters. Scotland and Britain, not so much.old_labour said:The Scottish homicide rate has fallen 47% since 2007.
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@Topping
I'm trying to say that there is an evolutionary reason for many of our mental health conditions. So for the autistic spectrum....you have high achieving, very intelligent brains who would be diagnosed with some kind of asbergers syndrome. People like Zuckerberg, Gates....certainly most of the high achievers in science, technology are asbergery.
Once human beings collectivised, there was a role for psychopaths as they were drawn to leadership.
Similarly, ADHD and creativity are linked together. Stephen Fry has learned to embrace his bi-polar disorder because of the creativity it inspires in him during his high moments.
Morris Dancer took my post a little personally. As he rightly points out mental health conditions are labelled and stigmatised. This is of course wrong...... these very same mental health conditions are part of our genetic makeup and have been responsible for the development and evolution of the human race.
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Theresa May's husband's company, Capital Group, with $1.7tn AUM, is the second largest shareholder in thousands of companies. And the largest shareholder likely in thousands more, and the third largest shareholder in...old_labour said:Mr Ethical
Verified account @nw_nicholas
1h1 hour ago
Theresa May's husband's company, Capital Group is the second largest shareholder in Lockheed Martin, who's share rocketed after Syria attack
https://twitter.com/nw_nicholas/status/986175356473348097
What are you saying Lockheed Martin's ethical crime is?0 -
The latest RCP poll average gives the Democrats a lead of 6.2%, the last time the Democrats took the House in 2006 they had a lead of 8% and won a majority of 21 seats though gerrymandering May be an issuerkrkrk said:Over in the US the Dems lead in the generic congressional ballot seems to be declining slightly. I've traded out of my position that Dems would retake the House for a reasonable profit.
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