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"My suggestion is that he visits Yad Vashem – the World Holocaust Remembrance Centre near Jerusalem."

yeah, what could possibly go wrong

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I don't think Corbyn is an anti-Semite, he's just thick.

BannedInParis said:

"My suggestion is that he visits Yad Vashem – the World Holocaust Remembrance Centre near Jerusalem."

yeah, what could possibly go wrong

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BannedInParis said:

"My suggestion is that he visits Yad Vashem – the World Holocaust Remembrance Centre near Jerusalem."

yeah, what could possibly go wrong

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There's a considerable distance, surely, between horror at the Holocaust...... and there have been some pretty horrendous anti-Jewish episodes in English history...... and a view of the Israeli-Palestinan conflict.

Pulpstar said:

Fen poly fillies smashing it here

As you say!

FPT:

Foxy said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Dr. Foxy, people have been expressing discontent with the EU and our level of integration with it for decades. Just denouncing it as populism rather disregards the genuine and long-held concerns people had, and may, I fear, be used as an excuse by those who are pro-EU to avoid having to bother with engaging with said concerns or, in some cases, even treating them as valid.

If such concerns had been treated more seriously ahead of time, we would have voted to remain.

King Cole, and thanks for asking

Brexitism is just one example of right wing Populism. Trumpism, Le Pen, Orban, even Putin all drink from the same cup. Most political movements have movements have their origins in some degree of percieved greivance. Those wanting to counter the Left wing Populists like Corbyn should not be blind to the grievances that cause followers to flock to him

Yep. I firmly believe that the Iraq war and its aftermath was one of the causes of the resurgence of the radical left. It lead so many to walk away from left of centre, moderate, social democracy. The other big reason is dissatisfaction with the current economic settlement.

What, actually go to Israel and talk to Israeli's ???

Don't be silly Mike.

Freggles said:

OT. Has anyone seen Sunil recently? Seems like I haven't seen him post in a while

He posted on the last thread.

WARNING: I'M ABOUT TO UPGRADE THE SERVER. THERE MAY BE SOME DOWNTIME.

The_Apocalypse said:

FPT:

Foxy said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Dr. Foxy, people have been expressing discontent with the EU and our level of integration with it for decades. Just denouncing it as populism rather disregards the genuine and long-held concerns people had, and may, I fear, be used as an excuse by those who are pro-EU to avoid having to bother with engaging with said concerns or, in some cases, even treating them as valid.

If such concerns had been treated more seriously ahead of time, we would have voted to remain.

King Cole, and thanks for asking

Brexitism is just one example of right wing Populism. Trumpism, Le Pen, Orban, even Putin all drink from the same cup. Most political movements have movements have their origins in some degree of percieved greivance. Those wanting to counter the Left wing Populists like Corbyn should not be blind to the grievances that cause followers to flock to him

Yep. I firmly believe that the Iraq war and its aftermath was one of the causes of the resurgence of the radical left. It lead so many to walk away from left of centre, moderate, social democracy. The other big reason is dissatisfaction with the current economic settlement.

Indeed it was the Iraq war, and the increasing marketisation of the NHS, that caused me to resign from the Labour party 15 years ago. I had been a member for 10 years, but exited stage left.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

OT. Has anyone seen Sunil recently? Seems like I haven't seen him post in a while

He posted on the last thread.

Seems like I'm not lurking enough!

I was remembering his "Note: the subject responds to the stimulus as expected!" trolling

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

2-0 Cambridge. ☹️

The men had better do a better job.

All right thinking people will be cheering for Cambridge.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5531741/Oxford-University-rower-selected-Boat-Race-despite-KKK-costume.html

Quite right, turf Oxford out and give Hull a chance!

FPT

TGOHF said:

AlastairMeeks said:

TGOHF said:

viewcode said:

TGOHF said:

Remainers drinking the EU Kool Aid again - you can’t have human rights without the ECHR ? What piffle.

The question is not whether one can have human rights outwith the ECHR, the question is what is the motive in wanting to withdraw from it.

Well can I suggest like Brexit it isn’t about something better , worse or different for a laugh - it’s about being able to vote in and out those who make the laws.

You can suggest it but it isn’t true.

One day these über Remainers might “get” why they lost. But it’s not here yet.

The bigger problem is that the Jurassic Leavers have no idea why they won.

Omnium said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

2-0 Cambridge. ☹️

The men had better do a better job.

All right thinking people will be cheering for Cambridge.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5531741/Oxford-University-rower-selected-Boat-Race-despite-KKK-costume.html

Quite right, turf Oxford out and give Hull a chance!

Plus Oxford's second team glorify ISIS.

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

2-0 Cambridge. ☹️

The men had better do a better job.

All right thinking people will be cheering for Cambridge.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5531741/Oxford-University-rower-selected-Boat-Race-despite-KKK-costume.html

Who hasn't worn a KKK costume?

The_Apocalypse said:

FPT:

Foxy said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Dr. Foxy, people have been expressing discontent with the EU and our level of integration with it for decades. Just denouncing it as populism rather disregards the genuine and long-held concerns people had, and may, I fear, be used as an excuse by those who are pro-EU to avoid having to bother with engaging with said concerns or, in some cases, even treating them as valid.

If such concerns had been treated more seriously ahead of time, we would have voted to remain.

King Cole, and thanks for asking

Brexitism is just one example of right wing Populism. Trumpism, Le Pen, Orban, even Putin all drink from the same cup. Most political movements have movements have their origins in some degree of percieved greivance. Those wanting to counter the Left wing Populists like Corbyn should not be blind to the grievances that cause followers to flock to him

Yep. I firmly believe that the Iraq war and its aftermath was one of the causes of the resurgence of the radical left. It lead so many to walk away from left of centre, moderate, social democracy. The other big reason is dissatisfaction with the current economic settlement.

The moderate centre left was hugely damaged by the recession of 2008/10. Governments ran out of money, public spending had to be cut, and gains for one group meant losses for another.

Tasty . . . Selmayr, Brexit and Wikipedia.

On topic, Jeremy Corbyn has not taken a single step in 40 years to reassure those worried about the extent of anti-Semitism in the hard left. I doubt he’s about to start now.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cheating Aussie convicts.

Australia's Cameron Bancroft has admitted he tampered with the ball during the third Test against South Africa - and captain Steve Smith says he knew of the plan in advance.

Television footage showed Bancroft take what he said was yellow tape out of his trouser pocket before rubbing the ball.

The 25-year-old said after play he had been charged with attempting to change the condition of the ball.

Smith said it was a "big mistake" but added he would not stand down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43526870

And they’ve just started with the ball tampering now, or have they been doing it their whole summer..?

dupe

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cheating Aussie convicts.

Australia's Cameron Bancroft has admitted he tampered with the ball during the third Test against South Africa - and captain Steve Smith says he knew of the plan in advance.

Television footage showed Bancroft take what he said was yellow tape out of his trouser pocket before rubbing the ball.

The 25-year-old said after play he had been charged with attempting to change the condition of the ball.

Smith said it was a "big mistake" but added he would not stand down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43526870

And they’ve just started with the ball tampering now, or have they been doing it their whole summer..?

If the captain is involved then it is probably institutionalised, so they did it during the Ashes I reckon.

nielh said:

Foxy said:

The_Apocalypse said:

FPT:

Foxy said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Dr. Foxy, people have been expressing discontent with the EU and our level of integration with it for decades. Just denouncing it as populism rather disregards the genuine and long-held concerns people had, and may, I fear, be used as an excuse by those who are pro-EU to avoid having to bother with engaging with said concerns or, in some cases, even treating them as valid.

If such concerns had been treated more seriously ahead of time, we would have voted to remain.

King Cole, and thanks for asking

Brexitism is just one example of right wing Populism. Trumpism, Le Pen, Orban, even Putin all drink from the same cup. Most political movements have movements have their origins in some degree of percieved greivance. Those wanting to counter the Left wing Populists like Corbyn should not be blind to the grievances that cause followers to flock to him

Yep. I firmly believe that the Iraq war and its aftermath was one of the causes of the resurgence of the radical left. It lead so many to walk away from left of centre, moderate, social democracy. The other big reason is dissatisfaction with the current economic settlement.

Indeed it was the Iraq war, and the increasing marketisation of the NHS, that caused me to resign from the Labour party 15 years ago. I had been a member for 10 years, but exited stage left.

It was the abandonment of any progressive vision. It just became managerial politics, with ultimately disastorous consequences.

Partly, but managerialism is not intrinsically a turnoff. The killer for me was the mendacity, not just over the Iraq war, but over internal issues too. In 1997 the pledge was to end the internal market in the NHS. There are pros and cons to this as a policy, but my point is that the Blair government mendaciously went back on the policy.

I am not the only citizen affronted by this. Why should we believe any politician if they lie so brazenly? Either stick to the policy or don't make it policy in the first place. The same is true of the LibDems over tuition fees, or Cameron over his Brexit "renegotiation".

Corbyn gets this, perhaps unintentionally. He is as stubbon as a mule, and he has an air of authenticity as a result. He didn't have an easy time over his SF links, but he stuck to it, however unpopular. What he lost in terms of patriotism he gained in consistency.

Pulpstar said:

All over. Fen poly win

Don't curse us.

https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/977600013273587712

Having MAs from both universities my one will win

rcs1000 said:

geoffw said:

Tasty . . . Selmayr, Brexit and Wikipedia.

What an idiot. Most people hire firms to edit to their wikipedia pages and bolster them with tonnes of spurious links.

He's not an idiot. Far from it. It is just brazen. But two for the price of one, what a delicious prospect.

Foxy said:

nielh said:

Foxy said:

The_Apocalypse said:

FPT:

Foxy said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Dr. Foxy, people have been expressing discontent with the EU and our level of integration with it for decades. Just denouncing it as populism rather disregards the genuine and long-held concerns people had, and may, I fear, be used as an excuse by those who are pro-EU to avoid having to bother with engaging with said concerns or, in some cases, even treating them as valid.

If such concerns had been treated more seriously ahead of time, we would have voted to remain.

King Cole, and thanks for asking

Brexitism is just one example of right wing Populism. Trumpism, Le Pen, Orban, even Putin all drink from the same cup. Most political movements have movements have their origins in some degree of percieved greivance. Those wanting to counter the Left wing Populists like Corbyn should not be blind to the grievances that cause followers to flock to him

Yep. I firmly believe that the Iraq war and its aftermath was one of the causes of the resurgence of the radical left. It lead so many to walk away from left of centre, moderate, social democracy. The other big reason is dissatisfaction with the current economic settlement.

Indeed it was the Iraq war, and the increasing marketisation of the NHS, that caused me to resign from the Labour party 15 years ago. I had been a member for 10 years, but exited stage left.

It was the abandonment of any progressive vision. It just became managerial politics, with ultimately disastorous consequences.

I am not the only citizen affronted by this. Why should we believe any politician if they lie so brazenly? Either stick to the policy or don't make it policy in the first place. The same is true of the LibDems over tuition fees, or Cameron over his Brexit "renegotiation".

Corbyn gets this, perhaps unintentionally. He is as stubbon as a mule, and he has an air of authenticity as a result. He didn't have an easy time over his SF links, but he stuck to it, however unpopular. What he lost in terms of patriotism he gained in consistency.

You are not, Dr F, by any means the only citizen affronted. I was horrified by Iraq, although as (then) a LibDem, proud of the stance Kennedy took. I thought the Coalition was necessary, but am, almost, as appalled by the LibDem support for what I regard as regressive measures... tuition fees were the least of my problems.
So I agree with your last paragraph.

williamglenn said:

twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/977600013273587712

Not on the scale of HMG's overspending with the free pamphlet they got to send to each and every household in the land.

Cambridge = Scipio Africanus

Oxford = Hannibal

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TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cheating Aussie convicts.

Australia's Cameron Bancroft has admitted he tampered with the ball during the third Test against South Africa - and captain Steve Smith says he knew of the plan in advance.

Television footage showed Bancroft take what he said was yellow tape out of his trouser pocket before rubbing the ball.

The 25-year-old said after play he had been charged with attempting to change the condition of the ball.

Smith said it was a "big mistake" but added he would not stand down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43526870

And they’ve just started with the ball tampering now, or have they been doing it their whole summer..?

If the captain is involved then it is probably institutionalised, so they did it during the Ashes I reckon.

Maybe they didn't need to bother cheating against the Poms..

On topic has anyone seen or got a picture of this mural? Just how obvious was it that it was anti-Semitic?

Normally PB Leavers get really outraged at potentially illegal electoral practices involving members of the Asian community.

What's wrong with you people?

DavidL said:

On topic has anyone seen or got a picture of this mural? Just how obvious was it that it was anti-Semitic?

Here you go.

DavidL said:

The search for reasons that explains how all the clever people who thought remain was the correct answer were beaten by a bus goes on. It’s a bit sad.

We don't really know what the correct answer was, nor will we ever know. There is a small chance that Brexit is wildly helpful to the UK, and as such we might conclude that Brexit was the right answer. There's a somewhat larger chance that the UK might have a substantial downturn - it'd be reasonable to conclude that Brexit was the wrong answer if that happened. (More bad things can influence this than good things though)

DavidL said:

On topic has anyone seen or got a picture of this mural? Just how obvious was it that it was anti-Semitic?

It's in the thread about it. It features bloated oligarchs all with very prominent noses.

williamglenn said:

Sandpit said:

And what are they hoping to actually achieve with a complaint nearly two years after the event?

Another referendum is coming.
https://twitter.com/LeedsEurope/status/977518011228852224

Good on them, but they’re two years too late.

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

On topic has anyone seen or got a picture of this mural? Just how obvious was it that it was anti-Semitic?

Here you go.

Thanks. Pardon my ignorance but are the Illuminati supposed to be Jewish?

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

On topic has anyone seen or got a picture of this mural? Just how obvious was it that it was anti-Semitic?

Here you go.

Thanks. Pardon my ignorance but are the Illuminati supposed to be Jewish?

Yeah, the noses uses a well known anti-Semitic trope.

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

Sandpit said:

And what are they hoping to actually achieve with a complaint nearly two years after the event?

Another referendum is coming.
https://twitter.com/LeedsEurope/status/977518011228852224

Good on them, but they’re two years too late.

It's never too late, unless of course we've ceased to be a democracy? Brexit has brought about the kind of pro-EU grassroots movement that was lacking in 2016.

Foxy said:

nielh said:

Foxy said:

The_Apocalypse said:

FPT:

Foxy said:

Brexitism is just one example of right wing Populism. Trumpism, Le Pen, Orban, even Putin all drink from the same cup. Most political movements have movements have their origins in some degree of percieved greivance. Those wanting to counter the Left wing Populists like Corbyn should not be blind to the grievances that cause followers to flock to him

Yep. I firmly believe that the Iraq war and its aftermath was one of the causes of the resurgence of the radical left. It lead so many to walk away from left of centre, moderate, social democracy. The other big reason is dissatisfaction with the current economic settlement.

Indeed it was the Iraq war, and the increasing marketisation of the NHS, that caused me to resign from the Labour party 15 years ago. I had been a member for 10 years, but exited stage left.

It was the abandonment of any progressive vision. It just became managerial politics, with ultimately disastorous consequences.

Partly, but managerialism is not intrinsically a turnoff. The killer for me was the mendacity, not just over the Iraq war, but over internal issues too. In 1997 the pledge was to end the internal market in the NHS. There are pros and cons to this as a policy, but my point is that the Blair government mendaciously went back on the policy.

I am not the only citizen affronted by this. Why should we believe any politician if they lie so brazenly? Either stick to the policy or don't make it policy in the first place. The same is true of the LibDems over tuition fees, or Cameron over his Brexit "renegotiation".

Corbyn gets this, perhaps unintentionally. He is as stubbon as a mule, and he has an air of authenticity as a result. He didn't have an easy time over his SF links, but he stuck to it, however unpopular. What he lost in terms of patriotism he gained in consistency.

The mendacity upset many natural centre-right supporters - not just Blair's but his self-styled 'heir'

' Paying down Britain's debts '
' Halved the bill '
' Reduce net immigration to the tens of thousands '
' 70,000 strong moderate army '

We had 'radical centralism' for nearly twenty years and it shafted large parts of the population.

What did those 60% Leave towns get from the parties of 'minesandfactories' and 'March of the Makers' but manufacturing output lower in June 2016 than it was in May 1997 plus immigration which was uncontrolled, unprepared for and what was promised would not happen.

While what did the young get but a housing crisis, stagnant wages, a two trillion quid national debt (borrowed to spend on the oldies) and ever rising student debt.

Mr. L, aye. It looks appalling.

Mr. Meeks, a reversal is still possible. But it may reduce British politics to decades of bitter trench warfare.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. L, aye. It looks appalling.

Mr. Meeks, a reversal is still possible. But it may reduce British politics to decades of bitter trench warfare.

That was certain once Leave fought and won the referendum through xenophobic lies.

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

On topic has anyone seen or got a picture of this mural? Just how obvious was it that it was anti-Semitic?

Here you go.

Thanks. Pardon my ignorance but are the Illuminati supposed to be Jewish?

Yeah, the noses uses a well known anti-Semitic trope.

Ok, I think I can see that now. Is it just possible that Corbyn didn’t?

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

On topic has anyone seen or got a picture of this mural? Just how obvious was it that it was anti-Semitic?

Here you go.

Thanks. Pardon my ignorance but are the Illuminati supposed to be Jewish?

Yeah, the noses uses a well known anti-Semitic trope.

Ok, I think I can see that now. Is it just possible that Corbyn didn’t?

Just like when he didn’t see all those empty seats on the train or twice when he was a member of a antisemitic / conspiracy nutter groups on Facebook.

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

On topic has anyone seen or got a picture of this mural? Just how obvious was it that it was anti-Semitic?

Here you go.

Thanks. Pardon my ignorance but are the Illuminati supposed to be Jewish?

I'd see it as anti-Masonic as well as anti-Jewish.

Pro-EU marchers in Exeter today too. Who'd have expected to see this on our streets back in 2015?
https://twitter.com/Devon4Europe/status/977579473968226305

williamglenn said:

Pro-EU marchers in Exeter today too. Who'd have expected to see this on our streets back in 2015?
https://twitter.com/Devon4Europe/status/977579473968226305

No you can’t, and no you won’t.

Leave would win a second referendum with a larger margin, but it doesn’t matter because there won’t be one.

It is true that when a narrative like this starts it will be difficult to close down but do people really care and do those who do care actually believe that Jeremy Corbyn is a racist? I don't think so. There's a lot of reasons not to fancy Corbyn as PM but being an anti Semite would come near the bottom of a long list.

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

On topic has anyone seen or got a picture of this mural? Just how obvious was it that it was anti-Semitic?

Here you go.

Thanks. Pardon my ignorance but are the Illuminati supposed to be Jewish?

Yeah, the noses uses a well known anti-Semitic trope.

Ok, I think I can see that now. Is it just possible that Corbyn didn’t?

Depends on

1) How good the picture resolution was on Facebook

2) Had Corbyn been to mural in person

That would still beg the question what Jeremy Corbyn was referring to when he commented that Rockefeller had effaced a mural that featured Lenin.