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By 45% to 41% latest ORB poll finds voters thinking access to free trade more important than immigration pic.twitter.com/XeuLJHe2EX
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First, like Leave.0
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2nd, like the importance of restricting immigration0
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Mine has been eaten by vanilla
Is the continued closeness of this result due to the respondents not having the knowledge to make an informed choice? As such a close result is likely.0 -
3rd like Don't know
EDIT: philiph has got in there and spoiled my frankly hiliarious comment
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Do any of us really have the knowledge to make an informed choice on most things? We all do the best we can and trust sheer numbers will see a generally acceptable option gets picked.philiph said:Mine has been eaten by vanilla
Is the continued closeness of this result due to the respondents not having the knowledge to make an informed choice? As such a close result is likely.0 -
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Vanilla ate two of my comments.philiph said:Mine has been eaten by vanilla
Is the continued closeness of this result due to the respondents not having the knowledge to make an informed choice? As such a close result is likely.0 -
Ahhhh... so it's a way of referring to people who look vaguely like Zionists, but are not - actually - Zionists.AlastairMeeks said:
Zio is to Zionist as Paki is to Pakistani.Benpointer said:
Zio is a new one on me. Is Zionist a derogative term?AlastairMeeks said:
I’d struggle to see how Zio could be used in a non-anti-Semitic way.Danny565 said:The one bit about the Corbyn story that makes me raise my eyebrows is that he apparently posted a comment in a thread where other people were using the term "Zios".
Admittedly "Zio" or "Zionist" are not in themselves anti-Semitic, but the people who use the terms almost invariably are.0 -
If that were the case Don't Know should be aheadphiliph said:Mine has been eaten by vanilla
Is the continued closeness of this result due to the respondents not having the knowledge to make an informed choice? As such a close result is likely.
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You should have posted your "First" on here before posting NEW THREAD on the prev threadTheScreamingEagles said:
Vanilla ate two of my comments.philiph said:Mine has been eaten by vanilla
Is the continued closeness of this result due to the respondents not having the knowledge to make an informed choice? As such a close result is likely.
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I had to wait for you and then get my timing perfect to bump you out of bronze plane into the also rans.Benpointer said:3rd like Don't know
EDIT: philiph has got in there and spoiled my frankly hiliarious comment
Have to make sure I'm available for drug testing after that performance. I don't want a ban.0 -
People get upset when I get the first on a new thread.Benpointer said:
You should have posted your "First" on here before posting NEW THREAD on the prev threadTheScreamingEagles said:
Vanilla ate two of my comments.philiph said:Mine has been eaten by vanilla
Is the continued closeness of this result due to the respondents not having the knowledge to make an informed choice? As such a close result is likely.
They think it is the equivalent of insider trading.0 -
You can do one but not the other I think.TheScreamingEagles said:
People get upset when I get the first on a new thread.Benpointer said:
You should have posted your "First" on here before posting NEW THREAD on the prev threadTheScreamingEagles said:
Vanilla ate two of my comments.philiph said:Mine has been eaten by vanilla
Is the continued closeness of this result due to the respondents not having the knowledge to make an informed choice? As such a close result is likely.
They think it is the equivalent of insider trading.0 -
Fair point. And they'd be rightTheScreamingEagles said:
People get upset when I get the first on a new thread.Benpointer said:
You should have posted your "First" on here before posting NEW THREAD on the prev threadTheScreamingEagles said:
Vanilla ate two of my comments.philiph said:Mine has been eaten by vanilla
Is the continued closeness of this result due to the respondents not having the knowledge to make an informed choice? As such a close result is likely.
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philiph said:
I had to wait for you and then get my timing perfect to bump you out of bronze plane into the also rans.Benpointer said:3rd like Don't know
EDIT: philiph has got in there and spoiled my frankly hiliarious comment
Have to make sure I'm available for drug testing after that performance. I don't want a ban.
It may take me a few threads to get over this - I know how Elise Christie feels 0 -
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We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.0 -
You can only do it on the overnight thread, but I'm in bed at that time.kle4 said:
You can do one but not the other I think.TheScreamingEagles said:
People get upset when I get the first on a new thread.Benpointer said:
You should have posted your "First" on here before posting NEW THREAD on the prev threadTheScreamingEagles said:
Vanilla ate two of my comments.philiph said:Mine has been eaten by vanilla
Is the continued closeness of this result due to the respondents not having the knowledge to make an informed choice? As such a close result is likely.
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Nah, all I was doing was uploading a thread for publication.Benpointer said:
Fair point. And they'd be rightTheScreamingEagles said:
People get upset when I get the first on a new thread.Benpointer said:
You should have posted your "First" on here before posting NEW THREAD on the prev threadTheScreamingEagles said:
Vanilla ate two of my comments.philiph said:Mine has been eaten by vanilla
Is the continued closeness of this result due to the respondents not having the knowledge to make an informed choice? As such a close result is likely.
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Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.0 -
God I hate these bed blocking North London clubs.
They stink out the Champions League.0 -
Tottenham out - who'd a thunked it?0
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Me.Benpointer said:Tottenham out - who'd a thunked it?
I called it, a couple of weeks ago the press were getting all excited about 4/5 English clubs in the quarters and I said it was more likely we'd have only 2 clubs in the quarters.0 -
Apologies, the complaint was the NHS was blocked from bringing in any more - i.e. there is demand from doctors to come here. Who do we prioritize over them?rcs1000 said:
Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.0 -
"Freddie Starr ate my PB Threads!"TheScreamingEagles said:
Vanilla ate two of my comments.philiph said:Mine has been eaten by vanilla
Is the continued closeness of this result due to the respondents not having the knowledge to make an informed choice? As such a close result is likely.0 -
FPT, I liked Rod Crosby's political analyses, but he was rather an admirer of Mr. Hitler.0
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If you look at our Visa schemes, they're based on a whitelist, which is unhelpful if you don't fit neatly into the SOCL. There have been several recent reports on health professionals failing on salary grounds or the aforementioned classification difficulties.tlg86 said:
Apologies, the complaint was the NHS was blocked from bringing in any more - i.e. there is demand from doctors to come here. Who do we prioritize over them?rcs1000 said:
Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.0 -
The dog ate my homework.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Freddie Starr ate my PB Threads!"TheScreamingEagles said:
Vanilla ate two of my comments.philiph said:Mine has been eaten by vanilla
Is the continued closeness of this result due to the respondents not having the knowledge to make an informed choice? As such a close result is likely.0 -
We've got enough ducky!
Highlight of Panorama programme to me.0 -
Completely OT.
A couple of my friends live in upstate New York. They have just had a state of emergency declared and been told not to travel as they are expecting 3 to 4 inches of snow per hour for the next 8 hours.
When they were sympathizing with me last week over our snow I thought they were being concerned. Now I realise they were just taking the mickey. 0 -
The immigrants ate my Mansfield.0
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Upstate New York can get very heavy snow, Bills Vs Colts proved it lolRichard_Tyndall said:Completely OT.
A couple of my friends live in upstate New York. They have just had a state of emergency declared and been told not to travel as they are expecting 3 to 4 inches of snow per hour for the next 8 hours.
When they were sympathizing with me last week over our snow I thought they were being concerned. Now I realise they were just taking the mickey.0 -
Yep, Leicester was the only English club in the quarters last year.TheScreamingEagles said:God I hate these bed blocking North London clubs.
They stink out the Champions League.
Though it may be a while before we get another go!
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Listening to various Russian diplomats this evening I'm 99% certain that they do not believe a word they are saying. They are dishing out some absolute claptrap with little sign that they are doing anything other than delivering the party line.
Still you can't blame them, as people who cross Putin are murdered.0 -
The thing is it is not entirely a straight choice between the 2.
Even Barnier has said we can get a Canada style FTA and end free movement0 -
A Canada style FTA is free trade, but not frictionless trade, and would still leave important parts of our economy outside the single market with inferior access.HYUFD said:The thing is it is not entirely a straight choice between the 2.
Even Barnier has said we can get a Canada style FTA and end free movement0 -
The interesting thing is I think being outside the EU leads in the long run to a higher total UK population..rcs1000 said:
Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.0 -
Yep, it is quite a common issue, Tier 2 visas are oversubscribed and the time to get one so prolonged that it is quite common for staff to go elsewhere.tlg86 said:
Apologies, the complaint was the NHS was blocked from bringing in any more - i.e. there is demand from doctors to come here. Who do we prioritize over them?rcs1000 said:
Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.
https://news.sky.com/story/doctors-blocked-by-arbitrary-visa-rules-from-taking-up-nhs-jobs-11222690
Of course, the policy is to create a hostile environment to immigrants. This is a feature, not a bug.
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But surely they would chose to work in the 'envy of the world' ?rcs1000 said:
Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.0 -
Maybe we should train more of our own doctors here in the UK.tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.0 -
I think that quite likely. Fertility rates of non EU migrants are higher than native born and EU migrants.Pulpstar said:
The interesting thing is I think being outside the EU leads in the long run to a higher total UK population..rcs1000 said:
Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.
They are also less likely to retire back to their home country, and more likely to bring in family.0 -
Yes but crucially it ends free movement which is the only way to properly respect the Leave vote while still getting a trade deal with the EUwilliamglenn said:
A Canada style FTA is free trade, but not frictionless trade, and would still leave important parts of our economy outside the single market with inferior access.HYUFD said:The thing is it is not entirely a straight choice between the 2.
Even Barnier has said we can get a Canada style FTA and end free movement0 -
Pretty much the perfect pool of migrants tbhFoxy said:
I think that quite likely. Fertility rates of non EU migrants are higher than native born and EU migrants.Pulpstar said:
The interesting thing is I think being outside the EU leads in the long run to a higher total UK population..rcs1000 said:
Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.
They are also less likely to retire back to their home country, and more likely to bring in family.0 -
Canada+ has long looked like the most plausible outcome. Of course that doesn't mean we'll end up there, we still need to do a deal even to get there.HYUFD said:
Yes but crucially it ends free movement which is the only way to properly respect the Leave vote while still getting a trade deal with the EUwilliamglenn said:
A Canada style FTA is free trade, but not frictionless trade, and would still leave important parts of our economy outside the single market with inferior access.HYUFD said:The thing is it is not entirely a straight choice between the 2.
Even Barnier has said we can get a Canada style FTA and end free movement0 -
Not so sure that is what the average Leave voter intended, but so be it.Pulpstar said:
Pretty much the perfect pool of migrants tbhFoxy said:
I think that quite likely. Fertility rates of non EU migrants are higher than native born and EU migrants.Pulpstar said:
The interesting thing is I think being outside the EU leads in the long run to a higher total UK population..rcs1000 said:
Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.
They are also less likely to retire back to their home country, and more likely to bring in family.0 -
Canada+ also means we need to accept special status for Northern Ireland.glw said:
Canada+ has long looked like the most plausible outcome. Of course that doesn't mean we'll end up there, we still need to do a deal even to get there.HYUFD said:
Yes but crucially it ends free movement which is the only way to properly respect the Leave vote while still getting a trade deal with the EUwilliamglenn said:
A Canada style FTA is free trade, but not frictionless trade, and would still leave important parts of our economy outside the single market with inferior access.HYUFD said:The thing is it is not entirely a straight choice between the 2.
Even Barnier has said we can get a Canada style FTA and end free movement
We can't do all three things at once:
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Yes, could well be Canada minus, as it would be a rush job to get even Canada neutral finished by end of transition.glw said:
Canada+ has long looked like the most plausible outcome. Of course that doesn't mean we'll end up there, we still need to do a deal even to get there.HYUFD said:
Yes but crucially it ends free movement which is the only way to properly respect the Leave vote while still getting a trade deal with the EUwilliamglenn said:
A Canada style FTA is free trade, but not frictionless trade, and would still leave important parts of our economy outside the single market with inferior access.HYUFD said:The thing is it is not entirely a straight choice between the 2.
Even Barnier has said we can get a Canada style FTA and end free movement0 -
They are both important.0
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Disabling air conditioning in the UK. Well, you've got us bang to rights there, Mr Putin!williamglenn said:
EDIT: Of course, server rooms and industrial air con could be a sizeable problem, but I still think it a slightly amusing threat compared with the others.0 -
That is a bit bizarre. If you can bring down power supplies, why bother woth AirCon?Pro_Rata said:
Disabling air conditioning in the UK. Well, you've got us bang to rights there, Mr Putin!williamglenn said:0 -
It's probably Daily Mail speak, and really means that the UK intelligence community know that the Russians have been looking to target HVAC systems that have remote management, along with all other industrial control systems.Benpointer said:That is a bit bizarre. If you can bring down power supplies, why bother woth AirCon?
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From the little I know of air conditioning I don't really understand how that could be done on all that large a scale, or very efficiently.
Edit: there are rooms filled with important equipment kept cool by air conditioning. If you could somehow take it all out it would cause problems.0 -
There is a simple way to destroy Putin, and that is to freeze the assets of his kleptocrat chums. Putin and the kleptocrats are one and the same; freezing their squillions held in banks in British Overseas Territories will paralyse them quicker than any nervegas0
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Interesting article about the effects of Brexit on the pharma industry. Spoiler alert, not good. He makes the point that it doesn't matter if your industry gets special customs treatment when all trucks are held up in the queues at the border. In the medium term a hard Brexit will cut the UK out of European supply chains in several important industries.
On topic, Mrs May's red lines are becoming very expensive. In a marginally won referendum where there's now probably a majority against the whole project, there will be pressure to give way on CU, SM, ECJ etc
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Shouldn't think they know one way or the other, but clearly routine denial is the standard. If there are murderous secret agents on the staff, I doubt if they natter about it over tea.glw said:Listening to various Russian diplomats this evening I'm 99% certain that they do not believe a word they are saying. They are dishing out some absolute claptrap with little sign that they are doing anything other than delivering the party line.
Still you can't blame them, as people who cross Putin are murdered.0 -
Of course they don't know about individuals and operations, but Russian diplomats would have to be in denial to be unaware of what the state they represent all too routinely does to those who cross them.NickPalmer said:Shouldn't think they know one way or the other, but clearly routine denial is the standard. If there are murderous secret agents on the staff, I doubt if they natter about it over tea.
I've heard Russian diplomats all but say "Britain is murdering people and blaming Russia to make us look bad".0 -
If the EU is seen to be bullying the U.K. by not agreeing a trade deal better than Canada’s, I think this country’s ‘bugger off’ mentality will come to the fore.FF43 said:Interesting article about the effects of Brexit on the pharma industry. Spoiler alert, not good. He makes the point that it doesn't matter if your industry gets special customs treatment when all trucks are held up in the queues at the border. In the medium term a hard Brexit will cut the UK out of European supply chains in several important industries.
On topic, Mrs May's red lines are becoming very expensive. In a marginally won referendum where there's now probably a majority against the whole project, there will be pressure to give way on CU, SM, ECJ etc
https://twitter.com/J_Strachan_Edit/status/966976165943697408
The EU wants free trade in goods, in which they have a surplus, and no concessions for financial services, in which they have a deficit. They will only allow fish exports if they retain access to our territorial waters, which represent well over half the catch of the whole EU. At the same time, they expect us to help with defence, when the vast majority of members don’t spend at least 2% on defence.
This is cherry picking on an epic scale. I am glad Hammond held out the prospect of no free trade if they refuse to play on financial services.
If the public becomes broadly aware of the EU’s stance, I would expect a larger majority for Leave if a second referendum were held. The gulf in understanding of the purpose of the EU (Common Market vs European Union) remains as wide as ever.0 -
+1franklyn said:There is a simple way to destroy Putin, and that is to freeze the assets of his kleptocrat chums. Putin and the kleptocrats are one and the same; freezing their squillions held in banks in British Overseas Territories will paralyse them quicker than any nervegas
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RacistFoxy said:
I think that quite likely. Fertility rates of non EU migrants are higher than native born and EU migrants.Pulpstar said:
The interesting thing is I think being outside the EU leads in the long run to a higher total UK population..rcs1000 said:
Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.
They are also less likely to retire back to their home country, and more likely to bring in family. 0 -
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He got a bit too Hitlery. A pity: he was the best analyst on PB in the 2010s, and that's in a field including @AndyJS, @BlackRook, @isam, and, um, me. If memory serves, he predicted the 2015 Con maj a full year ahead. Last I heard he was flying microlites for fun.bigjohnowls said:Where is Rod these days
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Non tariff barriers, I guess. Foreign doctors need UK recognised qualifications and certifications. Also good English.tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.0 -
Unfortunately we have a government full of overeducated undersensible manchildren who are only concerned with their own future and think blaming the EU for their failures is preferable to achieving success.FF43 said:Interesting article about the effects of Brexit on the pharma industry. Spoiler alert, not good. He makes the point that it doesn't matter if your industry gets special customs treatment when all trucks are held up in the queues at the border. In the medium term a hard Brexit will cut the UK out of European supply chains in several important industries.
On topic, Mrs May's red lines are becoming very expensive. In a marginally won referendum where there's now probably a majority against the whole project, there will be pressure to give way on CU, SM, ECJ etc
https://twitter.com/J_Strachan_Edit/status/966976165943697408
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But who’ll fund the Tories then?franklyn said:There is a simple way to destroy Putin, and that is to freeze the assets of his kleptocrat chums. Putin and the kleptocrats are one and the same; freezing their squillions held in banks in British Overseas Territories will paralyse them quicker than any nervegas
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The big question facing both May and Corbyn is whether they will stand up to Putin. Given Corbyn's past work for the regime, I am guessing he won't.NickPalmer said:
Shouldn't think they know one way or the other, but clearly routine denial is the standard. If there are murderous secret agents on the staff, I doubt if they natter about it over tea.glw said:Listening to various Russian diplomats this evening I'm 99% certain that they do not believe a word they are saying. They are dishing out some absolute claptrap with little sign that they are doing anything other than delivering the party line.
Still you can't blame them, as people who cross Putin are murdered.0 -
It is rather good, and even handed:bigjohnowls said:We've got enough ducky!
Highlight of Panorama programme to me.
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Neither EU nor non-EU migrants are a single pool. Iranian immigrants tend to be highly educated with few kids and low unemployment. Somali immigrants are largely uneducated with many kids and very high unemployment.Pulpstar said:
Pretty much the perfect pool of migrants tbhFoxy said:
I think that quite likely. Fertility rates of non EU migrants are higher than native born and EU migrants.Pulpstar said:
The interesting thing is I think being outside the EU leads in the long run to a higher total UK population..rcs1000 said:
Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.
They are also less likely to retire back to their home country, and more likely to bring in family.0 -
EU/EEA qualifications are automatically recognised, as are some others, most have to take the PLAB covering language and skills. It usually takes 6 months or so.FF43 said:
Non tariff barriers, I guess. Foreign doctors need UK recognised qualifications and certifications. Also good English.tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.
The difficulty getting Tier 2 work visas is on top, as per the CEO of the QE in Brum.
Of course, if this forces better pay and conditions for sturdy yeoman doctors of British stock, that can only be a good thing. Indeed it is the purpose of Brexit surely?0 -
205 000 Non EU migrants last year suggests to me that the government is not in control even of these.Elliot said:
Neither EU nor non-EU migrants are a single pool. Iranian immigrants tend to be highly educated with few kids and low unemployment. Somali immigrants are largely uneducated with many kids and very high unemployment.Pulpstar said:
Pretty much the perfect pool of migrants tbhFoxy said:
I think that quite likely. Fertility rates of non EU migrants are higher than native born and EU migrants.Pulpstar said:
The interesting thing is I think being outside the EU leads in the long run to a higher total UK population..rcs1000 said:
Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.
They are also less likely to retire back to their home country, and more likely to bring in family.0 -
You are surprised a man that never met an Islamist he didn't like is blase about anti-Semitism?Danny565 said:The one bit about the Corbyn story that makes me raise my eyebrows is that he apparently posted a comment in a thread where other people were using the term "Zios".
Admittedly "Zio" or "Zionist" are not in themselves anti-Semitic, but the people who use the terms almost invariably are.0 -
Migrants from different nations behave differently in terms of sending money home, frequency and duration of return visits, length of stay, propensity to give birth and attain a profession. If we assume Indians have the same profile to Bangladeshis, Poles to Russians, Irish to Italians, Greeks to Turks, Canadians to Americans, Somalis to Ugandan Asians to Ethiopians, Koreans to Japanese to Chinese, or even Swedes to Finns, we run the risk of getting things wrong and making analysis meaningless.Sunil_Prasannan said:
RacistFoxy said:
I think that quite likely. Fertility rates of non EU migrants are higher than native born and EU migrants.Pulpstar said:
The interesting thing is I think being outside the EU leads in the long run to a higher total UK population..rcs1000 said:
Because economic migrants are economically rational, and there might be other countries where doctors earn more?tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.
They are also less likely to retire back to their home country, and more likely to bring in family.0 -
You forget that many Tories also 'work' for the regime, if work means appear on RT. As well as Mourinho who will be helping spout Russian propaganda under the cover of a 'world cup' and chatting about 'football'.Elliot said:
The big question facing both May and Corbyn is whether they will stand up to Putin. Given Corbyn's past work for the regime, I am guessing he won't.NickPalmer said:
Shouldn't think they know one way or the other, but clearly routine denial is the standard. If there are murderous secret agents on the staff, I doubt if they natter about it over tea.glw said:Listening to various Russian diplomats this evening I'm 99% certain that they do not believe a word they are saying. They are dishing out some absolute claptrap with little sign that they are doing anything other than delivering the party line.
Still you can't blame them, as people who cross Putin are murdered.
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Yes, but. The entire economic model of some of these places would then be shot.franklyn said:There is a simple way to destroy Putin, and that is to freeze the assets of his kleptocrat chums. Putin and the kleptocrats are one and the same; freezing their squillions held in banks in British Overseas Territories will paralyse them quicker than any nervegas
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Maybe we should. But why bother training when selling dodgy financial instruments requires none, and is so much more rewarding? And, dare I say, respected?AndyJS said:
Maybe we should train more of our own doctors here in the UK.tlg86 said:FPT
We watched it. My dad wants to know, how can net migration be at 240k and yet we still aren't getting enough doctors in. It's a very fair question.bigjohnowls said:Anyone see Panorama from Mansfield
Did you see that bigoted woman as GB would say.0 -
Lionesses in action in a few minutes against the United States.
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Not really, I think. The basic point at issue, and main point of disagreement/lack of understanding in all this is the extent to which the EU prioritises doing a “rational” deal in it’s economic interest and effectively treating the U.K. as an other third party country, versus framing it’s stance in the context of Britain as an ex-EU country, potentially even one that can be persuaded to change its mind if they play hardball.viewcode said:
I can't think of a better example of snowflakism than equating "not giving you what you want" with "bullying".RoyalBlue said:If the EU is seen to be bullying the U.K. by not agreeing a trade deal better than Canada’s...
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It’s all a question of perspectiveviewcode said:
I can't think of a better example of snowflakism than equating "not giving you what you want" with "bullying".RoyalBlue said:If the EU is seen to be bullying the U.K. by not agreeing a trade deal better than Canada’s...
How the public view the EU’s actions more than the actions themselves is key.
I’ve always been pessimistic about the likelihood of an acceptable trade deal being reached, because it is in the EU’s overwhelming political interest and long-term economic interest to make the cost of leaving very high for the U.K. This is why we should have been spending serious money on customs and border infrastructure since March 2017.0 -
I thought you meant real lionesses, not the US national female soccer team. I am oddly disappointed...AndyJS said:Lionesses in action in a few minutes against the United States.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/42992633 0 -
Indeed. You are proobably right. But then the question why is my library closing/kids TA let go/bins not collected may arise.RoyalBlue said:
It’s all a question of perspectiveviewcode said:
I can't think of a better example of snowflakism than equating "not giving you what you want" with "bullying".RoyalBlue said:If the EU is seen to be bullying the U.K. by not agreeing a trade deal better than Canada’s...
How the public view the EU’s actions more than the actions themselves is key.
I’ve always been pessimistic about the likelihood of an acceptable trade deal being reached, because it is in the EU’s overwhelming political interest and long-term economic interest to make the cost of leaving very high for the U.K. This is why we should have been spending serious money on customs and border infrastructure since March 2017.0 -
But we haven’t. So what now, Einstein?RoyalBlue said:
It’s all a question of perspectiveviewcode said:
I can't think of a better example of snowflakism than equating "not giving you what you want" with "bullying".RoyalBlue said:If the EU is seen to be bullying the U.K. by not agreeing a trade deal better than Canada’s...
How the public view the EU’s actions more than the actions themselves is key.
I’ve always been pessimistic about the likelihood of an acceptable trade deal being reached, because it is in the EU’s overwhelming political interest and long-term economic interest to make the cost of leaving very high for the U.K. This is why we should have been spending serious money on customs and border infrastructure since March 2017.0 -
Sounds fascinating - anyone seen it?
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/02/15/brexitannia-an-unsettling-beautiful-insight-into-post-referendum-uk/0 -
But this comes back to the problem of the trilemma. Where would we put the customs infrastructure? We can't prepare for a UK wide exit from the customs union, let alone a WTO Brexit, without customs infrastructure on the Irish border, but that would show us in a seriously bad light internationally and incite very serious protests against what we were doing.RoyalBlue said:
It’s all a question of perspectiveviewcode said:
I can't think of a better example of snowflakism than equating "not giving you what you want" with "bullying".RoyalBlue said:If the EU is seen to be bullying the U.K. by not agreeing a trade deal better than Canada’s...
How the public view the EU’s actions more than the actions themselves is key.
I’ve always been pessimistic about the likelihood of an acceptable trade deal being reached, because it is in the EU’s overwhelming political interest and long-term economic interest to make the cost of leaving very high for the U.K. This is why we should have been spending serious money on customs and border infrastructure since March 2017.
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Unsarcastically, no it isn't a question of perspective. We've been involving ourselves for so long with the debate side of things (whereRoyalBlue said:
It’s all a question of perspectiveviewcode said:
I can't think of a better example of snowflakism than equating "not giving you what you want" with "bullying".RoyalBlue said:If the EU is seen to be bullying the U.K. by not agreeing a trade deal better than Canada’s...
How the public view the EU’s actions more than the actions themselves is key.
I’ve always been pessimistic about the likelihood of an acceptable trade deal being reached, because it is in the EU’s overwhelming political interest and long-term economic interest to make the cost of leaving very high for the U.K. This is why we should have been spending serious money on customs and border infrastructure since March 2017.manipulating opinion,managing opinion, engineering opinion and presentation was important) we've forgotten that from March next year it moves into the reality side of things, where results become real and the phoney war ends.
The public can view the results of the EU's actions any way it damn well pleases (oddly enough it doesn't listen to my eternal wisdom: who knew? ) but if it retreats into the "failing and blaming" culture I have so often criticised, then we will be in trouble.
Incidentally, you may be interested to know I agree with you regarding the wisdom of starting building customs/borders at least a year ago. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail and all that...
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Salisbury gets even more worrying - policeman now in coma:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5750698/russian-spy-poisoning-sergei-skripal-salisbury-latest-ill-nerve-agent-first-police-coma/0 -
https://www.retailni.com/news/business-leaders-urge-ireland’s-europe-minister-ensure-there-must-be-no-border-across-or
Leaders from Northern Ireland’s retail and manufacturing industries met with Helen McEntee TD, the Irish Minister of State for European Affairs, and pressed her to ensure that there is no border across or between these islands as a result of Brexit.0 -
there is no border across or between these islands as a result of Brexit.williamglenn said:https://www.retailni.com/news/business-leaders-urge-ireland’s-europe-minister-ensure-there-must-be-no-border-across-or
Leaders from Northern Ireland’s retail and manufacturing industries met with Helen McEntee TD, the Irish Minister of State for European Affairs, and pressed her to ensure that there is no border across or between these islands as a result of Brexit.
There goes the EU's proposal then......0 -
Paragraph 50 of the joint report gives Belfast the power to prevent Great Britain from diverging from Northern Ireland in the even of the backstop solution being implemented.CarlottaVance said:
there is no border across or between these islands as a result of Brexit.williamglenn said:https://www.retailni.com/news/business-leaders-urge-ireland’s-europe-minister-ensure-there-must-be-no-border-across-or
Leaders from Northern Ireland’s retail and manufacturing industries met with Helen McEntee TD, the Irish Minister of State for European Affairs, and pressed her to ensure that there is no border across or between these islands as a result of Brexit.
There goes the EU's proposal then......0 -
A couple of feet at least in some areas, and this is on top of last week's. We've had about 6" here closer to NYC. The biggest problem is that last week's storm brought down so many power lines that not even half were restored before the new storm hit.Pulpstar said:
Upstate New York can get very heavy snow, Bills Vs Colts proved it lolRichard_Tyndall said:Completely OT.
A couple of my friends live in upstate New York. They have just had a state of emergency declared and been told not to travel as they are expecting 3 to 4 inches of snow per hour for the next 8 hours.
When they were sympathizing with me last week over our snow I thought they were being concerned. Now I realise they were just taking the mickey.0 -
Problem is, there is no "Belfast" at the moment, only direct rule ministers.williamglenn said:
Paragraph 50 of the joint report gives Belfast the power to prevent Great Britain from diverging from Northern Ireland in the even of the backstop solution being implemented.CarlottaVance said:
there is no border across or between these islands as a result of Brexit.williamglenn said:https://www.retailni.com/news/business-leaders-urge-ireland’s-europe-minister-ensure-there-must-be-no-border-across-or
Leaders from Northern Ireland’s retail and manufacturing industries met with Helen McEntee TD, the Irish Minister of State for European Affairs, and pressed her to ensure that there is no border across or between these islands as a result of Brexit.
There goes the EU's proposal then......0 -
And seemingly no prospect of devolution being restored, even as no one wants new elections as it justifiably woukd seem to solve nothing.rpjs said:
Problem is, there is no "Belfast" at the moment, only direct rule ministers.williamglenn said:
Paragraph 50 of the joint report gives Belfast the power to prevent Great Britain from diverging from Northern Ireland in the even of the backstop solution being implemented.CarlottaVance said:
there is no border across or between these islands as a result of Brexit.williamglenn said:https://www.retailni.com/news/business-leaders-urge-ireland’s-europe-minister-ensure-there-must-be-no-border-across-or
Leaders from Northern Ireland’s retail and manufacturing industries met with Helen McEntee TD, the Irish Minister of State for European Affairs, and pressed her to ensure that there is no border across or between these islands as a result of Brexit.
There goes the EU's proposal then......0 -
Trump softening on tariffs - adding exemptions for Mexico and Canada... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-433250600
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Hammond puts 'no deal' back on the table:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/07/philip-hammond-reignites-the-no-deal-brexit-argument0 -
I am really looking forward to TMay explaining to HMQ at one of their weekly meetings, how she has accidently lost part of the UK while trying to keep the Conservative Party united.. . .CarlottaVance said:
there is no border across or between these islands as a result of Brexit.williamglenn said:https://www.retailni.com/news/business-leaders-urge-ireland’s-europe-minister-ensure-there-must-be-no-border-across-or
Leaders from Northern Ireland’s retail and manufacturing industries met with Helen McEntee TD, the Irish Minister of State for European Affairs, and pressed her to ensure that there is no border across or between these islands as a result of Brexit.
There goes the EU's proposal then......0 -
How many more of his trade and commerce advisors have to resign, before he realises that a trade war is a bad idea?rkrkrk said:Trump softening on tariffs - adding exemptions for Mexico and Canada... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43325060
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I still think it’s highly likely a deal will be done.CarlottaVance said:Hammond puts 'no deal' back on the table:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/07/philip-hammond-reignites-the-no-deal-brexit-argument
The unity of the EU has been a pleasant surprise to me - that seems a very good sign for the UK, once we agree something with Barnier, there’s an excellent chance it will stick with the rest of the EU.0 -
I still think he will only do symbolic tariffs at most... he just wants to look tough.Sandpit said:
How many more of his trade and commerce advisors have to resign, before he realises that a trade war is a bad idea?rkrkrk said:Trump softening on tariffs - adding exemptions for Mexico and Canada... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43325060
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Nothing to see - no sireeee!
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/us/politics/stormy-daniels-trump.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur0
