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MPs are entitled to dissent. They're our representatives, not our delegates.0
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That sort of language doesn't help anyone other than the likes of Trump, Le Pen and other populists who would whip up anger to serve their own purposes.MaxPB said:
They are MPs who handed the decision making process over to the people and are now trying their best to ignore the decision the people made because they don't agree with it and it doesn't serve their masters in Brussels.TOPPING said:
No they aren't. They are MPs and are doing what they believe is appropriate within the confines of the legal and regulatory system, to achieve an outcome they believe will benefit the country.MaxPB said:
They are seeking to overturn the democratic vote through the backdoor.TOPPING said:
Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.MaxPB said:
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.Gardenwalker said:
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
Hardly a Remain trait.MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
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The “doing down” was in your head.
If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.
But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
The public told the politicians that the UK should leave the EU: that the country is doing. They didn't say how we should leave: that's for the politicians to sort out.0 -
Someone should tally up the top 20 (most frequent?) posters, divide them by Leave or Remain and figure out whether they are living in the U.K. or not.JosiasJessop said:
That's a bit rich, coming from someone who fled the country when your side won.MaxPB said:
Is that because remainers shit their pants at the first sign of trouble?Recidivist said:
It would cost a fortune to lay on the toilets. Especially for the leaver side.TOPPING said:
Leavers.MarqueeMark said:
In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?Dura_Ace said:
The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.JosiasJessop said:
It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
A lot of Leavers (Sandpit, Max, @rcs1000) seem to be living abroad. Of Remainers I can oly think of @edmundintokyo0 -
True that - for reference Celtic fans use 8080 in tribute to Bobby Sands.TheScreamingEagles said:TGOHF said:
Oh dear TSE - using offensive sectarian language - to the gulag with you for re-education.TheScreamingEagles said:
They backed Remain. They love supporting the Huns.Pulpstar said:
But how did the good supporters who attend Ibrox Park vote ?Anorak said:
Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.MarqueeMark said:
In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?Dura_Ace said:
The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.JosiasJessop said:
It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
http://nilbymouth.org/history/
"Offensive sectarian language is still used in Scotland on a daily basis, with abusive terms such as “H*n” and “Orange b*stard” being used negatively against Protestants (or those perceived to be)
All I know about Rangers is that all their fans have their PIN as 1690.0 -
I'm a bit concerned that Lansman describes Labour as a Social Democratic party, rather than as a Socialist party. Clearly he must be some sort of Blairite red Tory in the pocket of Liz Kendall.rottenborough said:0 -
Only if you want the Tory party to become the irrelevance that UKIP now is.MaxPB said:
No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, I only consider the Tory MPs to be traitors, Labour are in the opposition. It is their job to oppose and ask the tough questions. That there are 12 Tories who are playing that game is a shame and hopefully they get deselected.TOPPING said:
Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?MaxPB said:
No, they should do what the people have told them to do.Gardenwalker said:
So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?MaxPB said:
To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.Gardenwalker said:
Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.MaxPB said:
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.Gardenwalker said:
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
Hardly a Remain trait.MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
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The “doing down” was in your head.
That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.
It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.0 -
So do I have to google Tory rebels to see who has voted against their party and put them in the traitors bucket?MaxPB said:
No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, I only consider the Tory MPs to be traitors, Labour are in the opposition. It is their job to oppose and ask the tough questions. That there are 12 Tories who are playing that game is a shame and hopefully they get deselected.TOPPING said:
Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?MaxPB said:
No, they should do what the people have told them to do.Gardenwalker said:
So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?MaxPB said:
To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.Gardenwalker said:
Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.MaxPB said:
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.Gardenwalker said:
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
Hardly a Remain trait.MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
.
The “doing down” was in your head.
That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.
It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
I'm sure there will be some surprising names on there but the bigger point is that MPs rebel against their party all the time. And their electorates have the opportunity to dislodge them if they believe they are not representing their interests appropriately.
Do I really need to explain this? To you?0 -
The backdoor of a parliament elected since the referendum ?MaxPB said:
They are seeking to overturn the democratic vote through the backdoor.TOPPING said:
Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.MaxPB said:
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.Gardenwalker said:
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
Hardly a Remain trait.MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
.
The “doing down” was in your head.
If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.
But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
An interesting constitutional opinion.0 -
Mr. Walker, not sure there's much point, unless you want to dispel the myth of xenophobia, of course
F1: McLaren broke down again... [some time ago]0 -
We all know what Wilde said of the first and second time... what of the fourth or fifth ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Walker, not sure there's much point, unless you want to dispel the myth of xenophobia, of course
F1: McLaren broke down again... [some time ago]
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Is that because 80 is the number for a chicken supper on their local takeaway menu?TGOHF said:
True that - for reference Celtic fans use 8080 in tribute to Bobby Sands.TheScreamingEagles said:TGOHF said:
Oh dear TSE - using offensive sectarian language - to the gulag with you for re-education.TheScreamingEagles said:
They backed Remain. They love supporting the Huns.Pulpstar said:
But how did the good supporters who attend Ibrox Park vote ?Anorak said:
Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.MarqueeMark said:
In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?Dura_Ace said:
The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.JosiasJessop said:
It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
http://nilbymouth.org/history/
"Offensive sectarian language is still used in Scotland on a daily basis, with abusive terms such as “H*n” and “Orange b*stard” being used negatively against Protestants (or those perceived to be)
All I know about Rangers is that all their fans have their PIN as 1690.0 -
Oh, it’s one of those “it’s not your argument but you have the temerity to make it” things, is it?Gardenwalker said:
I said you were doing him down, not defaming him. Everyone on here knows what you meant. It’s not a big deal, but it’s sad that you carry on this way, day after day.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
Hardly a Remain trait.MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
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The “doing down” was in your head.
Well, that’s me put in my place! Ever so sorry, I’m sure...0 -
F1: Benson (BBC reporter) reckons the difference between the compounds is less than anticipated. I knew you'd all be excited by this news.0
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I'm sure the good people of Stoke and Hull and Hartlepool and all those other "shit-holes" that voted Leave can take offence on their own at being called pig-shit thicko decrepits by Remainers. But I'm happy to stand side-by-side with them.TOPPING said:
And now, rather than stand, naked to the waist on Salisbury Plain, challenging any and all Remainers to come and have a go, it seems instead Mark wants the good burghers of Hull and Stoke to perpetrate the violence on his behalf.williamglenn said:
It’s highly dishonourable for well-heeled Brexiteers to hide behind a human shield of ordinary voters to avoid being held to account for their own poor judgement.MarqueeMark said:I look forward to the next pb.com gathering being held in a pub in Stoke, where our Remainers will be encouraged to be full and frank on their views about those who voted for Brexit....
They told everyone to put everything they own on an old nag called ‘Take Back Control’ who now lies crippled at Becher's Brook, and now want to deflect the blame.
*stands naked to the waist*0 -
Whoooooosh. [ate nothing, ate nothing]SandyRentool said:
Is that because 80 is the number for a chicken supper on their local takeaway menu?TGOHF said:
True that - for reference Celtic fans use 8080 in tribute to Bobby Sands.TheScreamingEagles said:TGOHF said:
Oh dear TSE - using offensive sectarian language - to the gulag with you for re-education.TheScreamingEagles said:
They backed Remain. They love supporting the Huns.Pulpstar said:
But how did the good supporters who attend Ibrox Park vote ?Anorak said:
Bear in mind us remainers would be fielding most of Scotland, who are more than handy in a punch-up.MarqueeMark said:
In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?Dura_Ace said:
The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.JosiasJessop said:
It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
http://nilbymouth.org/history/
"Offensive sectarian language is still used in Scotland on a daily basis, with abusive terms such as “H*n” and “Orange b*stard” being used negatively against Protestants (or those perceived to be)
All I know about Rangers is that all their fans have their PIN as 1690.0 -
And consistently there has been a cabal of Tory MPs who want to overturn that vote, and they are doing whatever they can to see that happen.david_herdson said:
That sort of language doesn't help anyone other than the likes of Trump, Le Pen and other populists who would whip up anger to serve their own purposes.MaxPB said:
They are MPs who handed the decision making process over to the people and are now trying their best to ignore the decision the people made because they don't agree with it and it doesn't serve their masters in Brussels.TOPPING said:
No they aren't. They are MPs and are doing what they believe is appropriate within the confines of the legal and regulatory system, to achieve an outcome they believe will benefit the country.MaxPB said:
They are seeking to overturn the democratic vote through the backdoor.TOPPING said:
Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.MaxPB said:
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.Gardenwalker said:
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
Hardly a Remain trait.MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
.
The “doing down” was in your head.
If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.
But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
The public told the politicians that the UK should leave the EU: that the country is doing. They didn't say how we should leave: that's for the politicians to sort out.0 -
Roger and tyson (perhaps not now?) are emigres from our xenophobic hellhole. I, of course, will go down with the Brexit ship. Noblesse oblige etc.Gardenwalker said:
Someone should tally up the top 20 (most frequent?) posters, divide them by Leave or Remain and figure out whether they are living in the U.K. or not.JosiasJessop said:
That's a bit rich, coming from someone who fled the country when your side won.MaxPB said:
Is that because remainers shit their pants at the first sign of trouble?Recidivist said:
It would cost a fortune to lay on the toilets. Especially for the leaver side.TOPPING said:
Leavers.MarqueeMark said:
In a giant great ruck on Salisbury Plain - Leavers on one side, Remainers on the other - who would your money be on to get a battering?Dura_Ace said:
The prospect of an overflowing colostomy bag or displaced wig is generally an impediment to Leaver fisticuffs.JosiasJessop said:
It does sound as if you're saying that many leavers are violent thugs who cannot take criticism ...MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
A lot of Leavers (Sandpit, Max, @rcs1000) seem to be living abroad. Of Remainers I can oly think of @edmundintokyo0 -
(and now I have a dog to walk in the glorious spring sunshine. Play nice, Remainer c****.......)0
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Louisiana purchase ?david_herdson said:
Jefferson as president is massively overrated. Rather like Grant, he gets a huge bonus from having done great things outside his presidency.Philip_Thompson said:
Thomas Jefferson.Nigelb said:
Pretty well meaningless. Any poll which doesn't have Washington and Lincoln at the top has no sense of historical perspective.HYUFD said:
Well that is always going to be the case in that polling favours more recent leaders a bit more than those from centuries past but as I only looked at post-war presidents the point still stands (though Lincoln came second)david_herdson said:
I don't trust those sort of polls. They always skew to the present and recent past, as evidenced there. Clinton and Kennedy greater than Washington or FDR?! Slight lack of historical perspective there, I think.HYUFD said:
According to a 2011 Gallup Obama was the 4th most popular post-war President with Reagan first then Clinton then Kennedydavid_herdson said:
Leaving aside the somewhat inaccurate description of Trump, it's not true to say that Obama was the most popular US president. Going by the gallup series, that accolade goes to George W Bush, who hit a 90% approval rating immediately post-9/11 (he also scored one of the lowest approval ratings in history, bottoming out at 25% - only Nixon and Truman have scored worse). By contrast, Obama never received a better than his inaugural rating of 67%. He did do well in avoiding deep negatives, never dropping below 40% - but Kennedy and Eisenhower did better.Roger said:The pendulum is swinging in much greater arcs that it's ever done before. The most charming and popular US President has been replaced by a redneck vulgarian moron.
http://news.gallup.com/poll/146183/Americans-Say-Reagan-Greatest-President.aspx
I'd put FDR third, and struggle to come up with a clear fourth.
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Mr Walker,
I hereby award you the Snowflake "Best example of taking offence on someone else's behalf medal".
You may call me a traitor or even a c*nt. I will do my best to sleep tonight. I'm sure Mrs Soubry et al are equally resilient.
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Continued mutual access to fisheries could be a sticking point.rottenborough said:0 -
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How would that disprove xenophobia? Member of an ethnic group from country A, now living in country B, can be xenophobic to members of ethnic group C. Particularly where the people in group A are well assimilated and part of the 'in-group' of country B.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Walker, not sure there's much point, unless you want to dispel the myth of xenophobia, of course
(Snip)
In fact, it's perfectly possible for xenophobic views to transfer between countries as people emigrate and immigrate.
Not being from country B does not give a get-out-of-jail free card. or excuse, for sick views.0 -
Exactly!Nigelb said:
The backdoor of a parliament elected since the referendum ?MaxPB said:
They are seeking to overturn the democratic vote through the backdoor.TOPPING said:
Max don't be a blockhead. It is fun rhetoric but they are seeking to minimise the damage and maximise the welfare done to their country. As they are paid to do.MaxPB said:
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.Gardenwalker said:
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
Hardly a Remain trait.MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
.
The “doing down” was in your head.
If you really do think they are traitors it betrays a woeful lack of intelligence on your part concerning the current socio-economo-political environment.
But as I say it is fun to write on an internet chatroom.
An interesting constitutional opinion.
Take back control! But only if the control does what we want, otherwise it's the wrong sort of control...0 -
There’s an article in the new LRB about Brexit which points out that many leading Brexiters (most notably Hannan) were raised abroad.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Walker, not sure there's much point, unless you want to dispel the myth of xenophobia, of course
F1: McLaren broke down again... [some time ago]
Its not a good article - not up to LRB standards - but the point is interesting and I’ve seen it made elsewhere.0 -
Actually, Max put you in your place.CarlottaVance said:
Oh, it’s one of those “it’s not your argument but you have the temerity to make it” things, is it?Gardenwalker said:
I said you were doing him down, not defaming him. Everyone on here knows what you meant. It’s not a big deal, but it’s sad that you carry on this way, day after day.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
Hardly a Remain trait.MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
.
The “doing down” was in your head.
Well, that’s me put in my place! Ever so sorry, I’m sure...0 -
UKIP are only now an irrelevance as the Tories are fully implementing BrexitNigelb said:
Only if you want the Tory party to become the irrelevance that UKIP now is.MaxPB said:
No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, I only consider the Tory MPs to be traitors, Labour are in the opposition. It is their job to oppose and ask the tough questions. That there are 12 Tories who are playing that game is a shame and hopefully they get deselected.TOPPING said:
Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?MaxPB said:
No, they should do what the people have told them to do.Gardenwalker said:
So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?MaxPB said:
To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.Gardenwalker said:
Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.MaxPB said:
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.Gardenwalker said:
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
Hardly a Remain trait.MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
.
The “doing down” was in your head.
That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.
It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.0 -
Take that Corbyn0
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I’m not taking offence, I’m both disputing the premise that the 12 dissident Tories are “traitors to their country” and also suggesting it’s dangerous language in these febrile times. It’s not so long that an MP was murdered on our streets by a man using similar language.CD13 said:Mr Walker,
I hereby award you the Snowflake "Best example of taking offence on someone else's behalf medal".
You may call me a traitor or even a c*nt. I will do my best to sleep tonight. I'm sure Mrs Soubry et al are equally resilient.
But why am I arguing with someone who uses the term “Snowflake”? Tells me everything I need to know about you.0 -
Mr Walker,
"But why am I arguing with someone who uses the term “Snowflake”? Tells me everything I need to know about you."
Arrrgh! The burn, the burn.
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House price growth in the year to February was the lowest for 5 years at 1.8%.
The average house price also fell in value from £226 000 last November to £224 000 this February
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-433144650 -
Good comeback, but I preferred the one about you being a c**t.CD13 said:Mr Walker,
"But why am I arguing with someone who uses the term “Snowflake”? Tells me everything I need to know about you."
Arrrgh! The burn, the burn.0 -
On the whole, good news.HYUFD said:House price growth in the year to February was the lowest for 5 years at 1.8%.
The average house price also fell in value from £226 000 last November to £224 000 this February
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43314465
The ONS will give regional breakdowns, not clear if Halifax (or the other one - Nationwide?) do.
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Clot?Gardenwalker said:
Good comeback, but I preferred the one about you being a c**t.CD13 said:Mr Walker,
"But why am I arguing with someone who uses the term “Snowflake”? Tells me everything I need to know about you."
Arrrgh! The burn, the burn.0 -
I expect London will also see a fall though property prices still well ahead of the rest of the countryTheWhiteRabbit said:
On the whole, good news.HYUFD said:House price growth in the year to February was the lowest for 5 years at 1.8%.
The average house price also fell in value from £226 000 last November to £224 000 this February
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43314465
The ONS will give regional breakdowns, not clear if Halifax (or the other one - Nationwide?) do.
It is the London/ROW split that will be instructive0 -
God Corbyn is useless.0
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Come along, chaps. Hurling pejorative terms doesn't do much to advance the debate or offer exciting new insights.
For what it's worth, I think Soubry, Grieve et al. are utterly wrongheaded and foolish in their tactics and aims. Terms like 'traitor' are not something with which I'm comfortable. The example of my own (correct in direction but excessive in nature) criticism of Ed Miliband, which was starkly shown to be the case when a genuine far left idiot in Corbyn arose, makes me wary of such things.
I think 'snowflake' is another matter. A great many people attempt to end arguments not with the power of reason but by shrieking they're offended and attempting to silence those who have the temerity to disagree with them. It shouldn't be overdone, but 'snowflake' is a pithy and useful term for deriding the terminally over-sensitive and rancidly censorious.0 -
Wait until he is PM.TOPPING said:God Corbyn is useless.
How is he going to carry out the basic duties of the job e.g. meeting foreigners who are not representatives of Russia, Hamas or Iran?0 -
Well London prices would need to halve to not be "well ahead of the rest of the country"!HYUFD said:
I expect London will also see a fall though property prices still well ahead of the rest of the countryTheWhiteRabbit said:
On the whole, good news.HYUFD said:House price growth in the year to February was the lowest for 5 years at 1.8%.
The average house price also fell in value from £226 000 last November to £224 000 this February
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43314465
The ONS will give regional breakdowns, not clear if Halifax (or the other one - Nationwide?) do.
It is the London/ROW split that will be instructive
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And as Sunil keeps reminding us 52 per cent is greater than 48 per cent - particularly when the SNP, Plaid, Lib Dems and Greens are competing for the latter with you.HYUFD said:
UKIP are only now an irrelevance as the Tories are fully implementing BrexitNigelb said:
Only if you want the Tory party to become the irrelevance that UKIP now is.MaxPB said:
No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, I only consider the Tory MPs to be traitors, Labour are in the opposition. It is their job to oppose and ask the tough questions. That there are 12 Tories who are playing that game is a shame and hopefully they get deselected.TOPPING said:
Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?MaxPB said:
No, they should do what the people have told them to do.Gardenwalker said:
So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?MaxPB said:
To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.Gardenwalker said:
Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.MaxPB said:
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.Gardenwalker said:
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
Hardly a Remain trait.MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
.
The “doing down” was in your head.
That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.
It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.0 -
Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.0
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London prices will always be ahead of the rest of the country yes even if overall prices halved.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Well London prices would need to halve to not be "well ahead of the rest of the country"!HYUFD said:
I expect London will also see a fall though property prices still well ahead of the rest of the countryTheWhiteRabbit said:
On the whole, good news.HYUFD said:House price growth in the year to February was the lowest for 5 years at 1.8%.
The average house price also fell in value from £226 000 last November to £224 000 this February
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43314465
The ONS will give regional breakdowns, not clear if Halifax (or the other one - Nationwide?) do.
It is the London/ROW split that will be instructive
If you want to live in a global city expect to pay a global city premium, if you want to buy a cheap property move to Wales or the North East of England0 -
He is just not PM materialrottenborough said:Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
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From the Guardian:rottenborough said:Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
PMQs - Snap verdict: A patchy PMQs, with creditable performances by both Corbyn and May, but no stand-out winner.
Was Corbyn really that bad?0 -
I'm surprised anything ever gets bought or sold with the absolute state of conveyancing in this country.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Well London prices would need to halve to not be "well ahead of the rest of the country"!HYUFD said:
I expect London will also see a fall though property prices still well ahead of the rest of the countryTheWhiteRabbit said:
On the whole, good news.HYUFD said:House price growth in the year to February was the lowest for 5 years at 1.8%.
The average house price also fell in value from £226 000 last November to £224 000 this February
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43314465
The ONS will give regional breakdowns, not clear if Halifax (or the other one - Nationwide?) do.
It is the London/ROW split that will be instructive0 -
Yes - if the guardian are calling it a draw you know he was poortlg86 said:
From the Guardian:rottenborough said:Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
PMQs - Snap verdict: A patchy PMQs, with creditable performances by both Corbyn and May, but no stand-out winner.
Was Corbyn really that bad?0 -
Yes, there are 5 parties represented in Parliament a majority of whose voters voted Remain and 1 who stand at general elections but do not take their seats in Sinn Fein.brendan16 said:
And as Sunil keeps reminding us 52 per cent is greater than 48 per cent - particularly when the SNP, Plaid, Lib Dems and Greens are competing for the latter with you.HYUFD said:
UKIP are only now an irrelevance as the Tories are fully implementing BrexitNigelb said:
Only if you want the Tory party to become the irrelevance that UKIP now is.MaxPB said:
No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, and hopefully they get deselected.TOPPING said:
Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?MaxPB said:
No, they should do what the people have told them to do.Gardenwalker said:
So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?MaxPB said:
To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.Gardenwalker said:
Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.MaxPB said:
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.Gardenwalker said:
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
Hardly a Remain trait.MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
.
The “doing down” was in your head.
That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.
It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
By contrast only 2 parties with MPs, the Tories and DUP and one without an MP in UKIP saw a majority of their voters vote Leave0 -
Tariffs harm your own consumers as any fule kno.
If the EU puts tariffs on American products, the UK should simply refuse to comply. Heck, what are they going to do – kick us out?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/britain-should-rise-above-trumps-trade-war/0 -
I expect we shall need to apologise a lot, like with Boris or David Miliband. Otoh, Trump has rather lowered the bar.rottenborough said:
Wait until he is PM.TOPPING said:God Corbyn is useless.
How is he going to carry out the basic duties of the job e.g. meeting foreigners who are not representatives of Russia, Hamas or Iran?0 -
Very angry, repeating points, not processing TM's answers. Good letter from Barry, mind.tlg86 said:
From the Guardian:rottenborough said:Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
PMQs - Snap verdict: A patchy PMQs, with creditable performances by both Corbyn and May, but no stand-out winner.
Was Corbyn really that bad?0 -
Yes. He started off getting a slapping by Tezza on the women’s thing then nibbled at the Saudis but when he realised that Thornberry had said much the same thing this morning as Tezza he switched to homelessness where a previous quote by him about Labour’s homelessness policy undid him.tlg86 said:
From the Guardian:rottenborough said:Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
PMQs - Snap verdict: A patchy PMQs, with creditable performances by both Corbyn and May, but no stand-out winner.
Was Corbyn really that bad?0 -
Interestingly it looks like NAFTA countries are going to be exempt and the EU would be in the wrong if they hit back with their own tariffs targeted specifically at the US.geoffw said:Tariffs harm your own consumers as any fule kno.
If the EU puts tariffs on American products, the UK should simply refuse to comply. Heck, what are they going to do – kick us out?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/britain-should-rise-above-trumps-trade-war/0 -
DeletedHYUFD said:
Yes, there are 5 parties represented in Parliament a majority of whose voters voted Remain and 1 who stand at general elections but do not take their seats in Sinn Fein.brendan16 said:
And as Sunil keeps reminding us 52 per cent is greater than 48 per cent - particularly when the SNP, Plaid, Lib Dems and Greens are competing for the latter with you.HYUFD said:
UKIP are only now an irrelevance as the Tories are fully implementing BrexitNigelb said:
Only if you want the Tory party to become the irrelevance that UKIP now is.MaxPB said:
No, but I'd expect Jez's MPs to do so. In case you haven't noticed, and hopefully they get deselected.TOPPING said:
Max you're having a shocker this morning. In the event of a Labour Party victory at the next election, should Jacob Rees-Mogg sign up to nationalisation of the hedge fund industry, and suchlike?MaxPB said:
No, they should do what the people have told them to do.Gardenwalker said:
So Tory backbenchers should do anything the government tells them to, for fear of Corbyn?MaxPB said:
To the party, and by extension the country, given the alternative.Gardenwalker said:
Traitors to whom? It’s really dangerous language to use, and I wish you wouldn’t.MaxPB said:
Hey, I call it as I see it. Those Tory MPs are traitors.Gardenwalker said:
No it wasn’t. It was even too much for Max “traitors” PB.CarlottaVance said:
What did I write that was inaccurate?Gardenwalker said:
Hardly a Remain trait.MarqueeMark said:
Big words, big man. Go into a pub in Hull and Stoke and start spouting that. See how long before the decrepit take exception and start, er, re-educating you on your assumptions....Gardenwalker said:
Brexiters is an alliance of the decrepit, the duped
Anyway I was reacting to @CarlottaVance’s doing down of Xavier Rolet as if he was just some washed up “Frenchman”.
.
The “doing down” was in your head.
That’s not democracy, it’s dictatorship.
It’s not treachery, it’s just called doing your job as an MP. And as much as I hate Corbyn, 40% of the country voted for his party too.
By contrast only 2 parties with MPs, the Tories and DUP and one without an MP in UKIP saw a majority of their voters vote Leave0 -
@david_herdson will be very disappointed. Corbyn had shown signs of promise recently and has gone back to his bad old ways.Ishmael_Z said:
Very angry, repeating points, not processing TM's answers. Good letter from Barry, mind.tlg86 said:
From the Guardian:rottenborough said:Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
PMQs - Snap verdict: A patchy PMQs, with creditable performances by both Corbyn and May, but no stand-out winner.
Was Corbyn really that bad?0 -
A Corbyn/McDonnell government is an even bigger threat. And just over the Channel is a large single Market with a passporting regime.....another_richard said:
I expect there will be job cuts in some areas (or perhaps jobs not replaced as people leave) but job increases in others.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I checked at the start of the year (though the figures were up to about August 2017 IIRC) and there are more financial services jobs than in June 2016.another_richard said:
As we were told on 24/06/16:MarqueeMark said:
But 83,000 jobs lost? What are we talking about here - closing down the NHS?Bromptonaut said:
No trace of confirmation bias there. No sirree.MarqueeMark said:
' If you perchance thought that your London banking job would be safe with Britain outside the European Union, you were seemingly wrong. Consultants working for leading strategy firms in London say banks have activated their contingency plans and that the London job cuts are about to come thick and fast.
“You’re looking at anything from 50,000 to 70,000 London finance jobs being moved overseas in the next 12 months,” predicts one consultant working with one of the top finance strategy firms in the City. “Jobs are going to be cut, and those cuts are going to start next week.” '
https://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/248265/london-banking-redundancies-brexit/
I'd be interested to know how many London banking jobs there are now compared to before the Referendum.
Of course there have been thousands of banking jobs lost before and since then but they were prole jobs in prole towns and caused by branch closures and therefore deemed unimportant.
They've said there would be job cuts every week for the last 80 weeks.
Sure it might now happen - but it hasn't happened yet.
I would say that AI and globalisation are bigger threats to London banking than Brexit.0 -
Like you are unbiased , you say the same every week.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes - if the guardian are calling it a draw you know he was poortlg86 said:
From the Guardian:rottenborough said:Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
PMQs - Snap verdict: A patchy PMQs, with creditable performances by both Corbyn and May, but no stand-out winner.
Was Corbyn really that bad?0 -
Guardian is usually pretty goodYorkcity said:
Like you are unbiased , you say the same every week.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes - if the guardian are calling it a draw you know he was poortlg86 said:
From the Guardian:rottenborough said:Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
PMQs - Snap verdict: A patchy PMQs, with creditable performances by both Corbyn and May, but no stand-out winner.
Was Corbyn really that bad?0 -
Not every week but this week he was hopelessYorkcity said:
Like you are unbiased , you say the same every week.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes - if the guardian are calling it a draw you know he was poortlg86 said:
From the Guardian:rottenborough said:Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
PMQs - Snap verdict: A patchy PMQs, with creditable performances by both Corbyn and May, but no stand-out winner.
Was Corbyn really that bad?0 -
Unfortunately, neither is TMay.... .Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is just not PM materialrottenborough said:Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
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Are you suggesting the taxpayer should just give into the academics demands?Cyclefree said:
This strike - and its effects on students, who are - at the moment paying for nothing - seem to have fallen off the radar. They shouldn’t. My son, in his second year, has had very little teaching since it started. So far all his coursework and exam results have shown him heading for a II(I). End of year exams are not that far off. To say that he is mightily pissed with what is happening would not be an exaggeration. As am I on his behalf.Sandpit said:Department of Health funding 35 attendees at Cape Town anti-tobacco conference, Guido reckons the bill is £250k, including a bunch of academics who are supposed to be on strike.
https://order-order.com/2018/03/07/250000-jolly-cape-town-striking-university-dons/
What is the Education Minister doing about this? Big fees, usurious interest rates, now no teaching..... and the Tories wonder why the young and, increasingly, their parents won’t vote for them.
That would be unfair on everyone who doesn’t have as cushty a pension arrangement0 -
Why does Donald Tusk look so broken?0
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Completely off topic I've just got a new car which has auto-park yet I'm scared out of my mind when I try to use it. Suddenly your are moving, the steering wheel goes round and you are not in control. I abort. Has anybody got any experience?0
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Licensed conveyancers were not Maggie's best idea.Pulpstar said:
I'm surprised anything ever gets bought or sold with the absolute state of conveyancing in this country.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Well London prices would need to halve to not be "well ahead of the rest of the country"!HYUFD said:
I expect London will also see a fall though property prices still well ahead of the rest of the countryTheWhiteRabbit said:
On the whole, good news.HYUFD said:House price growth in the year to February was the lowest for 5 years at 1.8%.
The average house price also fell in value from £226 000 last November to £224 000 this February
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43314465
The ONS will give regional breakdowns, not clear if Halifax (or the other one - Nationwide?) do.
It is the London/ROW split that will be instructive0 -
What makes you say thatFenster said:Why does Donald Tusk look so broken?
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Mr. Anorak, thanks
Mind you, with a Labour MP bleating about making wolf-whistling a hate crime, PBers are advised to buy my Sir Edric books sooner rather than later (given he commits adultery on the first page of the first book, I suspect he wouldn't receive the snowflake seal of approval...).0 -
It is imo , does a snap verdict , then later quotes from various sources of opinion.Better than the posters on here.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Guardian is usually pretty goodYorkcity said:
Like you are unbiased , you say the same every week.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes - if the guardian are calling it a draw you know he was poortlg86 said:
From the Guardian:rottenborough said:Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
PMQs - Snap verdict: A patchy PMQs, with creditable performances by both Corbyn and May, but no stand-out winner.
Was Corbyn really that bad?0 -
Agree. If there’s any bias (and it could just as easily be mine) is a slight tendency to award score-draws to Corbyn - but it’s usually pretty fair.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Guardian is usually pretty goodYorkcity said:
Like you are unbiased , you say the same every week.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes - if the guardian are calling it a draw you know he was poortlg86 said:
From the Guardian:rottenborough said:Not watching, but sounds like Jezza has had a mare.
PMQs - Snap verdict: A patchy PMQs, with creditable performances by both Corbyn and May, but no stand-out winner.
Was Corbyn really that bad?0 -
Blimey, I see that Theresa May came out with a spiffing joke with her 'mansplaining' jibe. Is this a first?0
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Who will Sergio Mattarella give first dibs to ?
Italy, Ipsos poll:
Preferred PM
Di Maio (M5S-EFDD): 40%
Technocrat: 23%
Salvini (LEGA-ENF): 21%0 -
With thousands of companies, banks and government/local authorities that need London's capital markets to raise money. I don't think Brexit and the City is as clear cut as people believe, see the French finance minister's comments on equivalence today and him speaking of mutual recognition rather than the one way street that has been proposed until now by the Commission. They need access to London's money markets more than they want to let on.Cyclefree said:
A Corbyn/McDonnell government is an even bigger threat. And just over the Channel is a large single Market with a passporting regime.....another_richard said:
I expect there will be job cuts in some areas (or perhaps jobs not replaced as people leave) but job increases in others.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I checked at the start of the year (though the figures were up to about August 2017 IIRC) and there are more financial services jobs than in June 2016.another_richard said:
As we were told on 24/06/16:MarqueeMark said:
But 83,000 jobs lost? What are we talking about here - closing down the NHS?Bromptonaut said:
No trace of confirmation bias there. No sirree.MarqueeMark said:
' If you perchance thought that your London banking job would be safe with Britain outside the European Union, you were seemingly wrong. Consultants working for leading strategy firms in London say banks have activated their contingency plans and that the London job cuts are about to come thick and fast.
“You’re looking at anything from 50,000 to 70,000 London finance jobs being moved overseas in the next 12 months,” predicts one consultant working with one of the top finance strategy firms in the City. “Jobs are going to be cut, and those cuts are going to start next week.” '
https://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/248265/london-banking-redundancies-brexit/
I'd be interested to know how many London banking jobs there are now compared to before the Referendum.
Of course there have been thousands of banking jobs lost before and since then but they were prole jobs in prole towns and caused by branch closures and therefore deemed unimportant.
They've said there would be job cuts every week for the last 80 weeks.
Sure it might now happen - but it hasn't happened yet.
I would say that AI and globalisation are bigger threats to London banking than Brexit.0 -
Mr. Nabavi, humbug. The use of 'mansplaining' is a wretched thing. Making terms derogatory by adding a masculine prefix is backward.0
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The EU must be sick of her Maysplaining what's in their interests.Richard_Nabavi said:Blimey, I see that Theresa May came out with a spiffing joke with her 'mansplaining' jibe. Is this a first?
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You'd have thought students would be smart enough to figure out who pays for their lecturers' pensions, but apparently not.Charles said:
Are you suggesting the taxpayer should just give into the academics demands?Cyclefree said:
This strike - and its effects on students, who are - at the moment paying for nothing - seem to have fallen off the radar. They shouldn’t. My son, in his second year, has had very little teaching since it started. So far all his coursework and exam results have shown him heading for a II(I). End of year exams are not that far off. To say that he is mightily pissed with what is happening would not be an exaggeration. As am I on his behalf.Sandpit said:Department of Health funding 35 attendees at Cape Town anti-tobacco conference, Guido reckons the bill is £250k, including a bunch of academics who are supposed to be on strike.
https://order-order.com/2018/03/07/250000-jolly-cape-town-striking-university-dons/
What is the Education Minister doing about this? Big fees, usurious interest rates, now no teaching..... and the Tories wonder why the young and, increasingly, their parents won’t vote for them.
That would be unfair on everyone who doesn’t have as cushty a pension arrangement0 -
In view of some of the comments earlier on the thread I had a look at Financial Services employment in the UK (I tried for London but most seemed to end in 2015). The numbers can be found in here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/datasets/employmentbyindustryemp13
Basically, although still short of the recent peaks in 2015 employment in financial services had been increasing for 3 consecutive quarters to the end of 2017. Given the ever more aggressive branch closure programs of the Banks that seems to me to be quite encouraging.0 -
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/971364840680902656?s=20Richard_Nabavi said:Blimey, I see that Theresa May came out with a spiffing joke with her 'mansplaining' jibe. Is this a first?
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Blimey # 2: the Conservative media operation is on the ball!CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/971364840680902656?s=20Richard_Nabavi said:Blimey, I see that Theresa May came out with a spiffing joke with her 'mansplaining' jibe. Is this a first?
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I had him on in the background. He looked really tired and dour. I wondered if that was always his look.Big_G_NorthWales said:
What makes you say thatFenster said:Why does Donald Tusk look so broken?
He looks seriously depressed that the UK is leaving.
I'm no fan of the EU (at all!) but the one thing that does upset me is leaving the Poles at the mercy of the others.0 -
My memory isn't too shabby then.DavidL said:In view of some of the comments earlier on the thread I had a look at Financial Services employment in the UK (I tried for London but most seemed to end in 2015). The numbers can be found in here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/datasets/employmentbyindustryemp13
Basically, although still short of the recent peaks in 2015 employment in financial services had been increasing for 3 consecutive quarters to the end of 2017. Given the ever more aggressive branch closure programs of the Banks that seems to me to be quite encouraging.
Thank heavens...
My personal view is that Brexit is a drag on *adding* jobs in financial services, particularly at the higher end. Not an exodus, but we will be worser off for it.0 -
Such a broflake.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nabavi, humbug. The use of 'mansplaining' is a wretched thing. Making terms derogatory by adding a masculine prefix is backward.
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Both main parties do this with PMQs every week. That's why May and Corbyn both launch into scripted statements designed to go viral on social media.Richard_Nabavi said:Blimey # 2: the Conservative media operation is on the ball!
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I don't like the term "manpalaining" myself. I think "being a patronising twat" is sufficient to cover the same ground.Dura_Ace said:
Such a broflake.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nabavi, humbug. The use of 'mansplaining' is a wretched thing. Making terms derogatory by adding a masculine prefix is backward.
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Morris_Dancer is just hirsute signalling.Dura_Ace said:
Such a broflake.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nabavi, humbug. The use of 'mansplaining' is a wretched thing. Making terms derogatory by adding a masculine prefix is backward.
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Polling also suffers a Five Star - Lega coalition would be most popular (or least unpopular, it only has 32%). “Grand coalition” looks to be as popular as cancer.Pulpstar said:Who will Sergio Mattarella give first dibs to ?
Italy, Ipsos poll:
Preferred PM
Di Maio (M5S-EFDD): 40%
Technocrat: 23%
Salvini (LEGA-ENF): 21%
https://twitter.com/europeelects/status/9713621811146833920 -
Yes but normally Labour wins that hands-down. I think the blue team might have a winner with this one.williamglenn said:
Both main parties do this with PMQs every week. That's why May and Corbyn both launch into scripted statements designed to go viral on social media.Richard_Nabavi said:Blimey # 2: the Conservative media operation is on the ball!
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Is it not a bit ineffective without including Corbyn's comment (so people can judge if it actually was "mansplaining")....CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/971364840680902656?s=20Richard_Nabavi said:Blimey, I see that Theresa May came out with a spiffing joke with her 'mansplaining' jibe. Is this a first?
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With Renzi having ruled out a deal with 5* and Lega and FI lacking a majority and Salvini unlikely to agree to play second fiddle to Di Maio a Forza Italia and 5* deal which makes Di Maio PM might be the only way to a majorityPulpstar said:Who will Sergio Mattarella give first dibs to ?
Italy, Ipsos poll:
Preferred PM
Di Maio (M5S-EFDD): 40%
Technocrat: 23%
Salvini (LEGA-ENF): 21%0 -
Yes, there’s an awful lot of dependency on the City in shifting public and private sector debt all over Europe. Its why there will be a deal, no matter how much Drunker and his political idiots think Britain should be punished for Brexit.MaxPB said:
With thousands of companies, banks and government/local authorities that need London's capital markets to raise money. I don't think Brexit and the City is as clear cut as people believe, see the French finance minister's comments on equivalence today and him speaking of mutual recognition rather than the one way street that has been proposed until now by the Commission. They need access to London's money markets more than they want to let on.Cyclefree said:
A Corbyn/McDonnell government is an even bigger threat. And just over the Channel is a large single Market with a passporting regime.....another_richard said:
I expect there will be job cuts in some areas (or perhaps jobs not replaced as people leave) but job increases in others.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I checked at the start of the year (though the figures were up to about August 2017 IIRC) and there are more financial services jobs than in June 2016.another_richard said:
As we were told on 24/06/16:MarqueeMark said:
But 83,000 jobs lost? What are we talking about here - closing down the NHS?Bromptonaut said:
No trace of confirmation bias there. No sirree.MarqueeMark said:
...
https://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/248265/london-banking-redundancies-brexit/
I'd be interested to know how many London banking jobs there are now compared to before the Referendum.
Of course there have been thousands of banking jobs lost before and since then but they were prole jobs in prole towns and caused by branch closures and therefore deemed unimportant.
They've said there would be job cuts every week for the last 80 weeks.
Sure it might now happen - but it hasn't happened yet.
I would say that AI and globalisation are bigger threats to London banking than Brexit.0 -
Mr. Ace, don't ovary-act.
[On a serious note, if people just used it tongue in cheek, I wouldn't care. But I've seen people online have their opinions ignored and denounced simply for being men speaking to women. It also ties nicely in with the general lack of concern for men (cf victims of sexual abuse, domestic violence, refuge funding, suicides etc)].
Mr. Glenn, actually, I'm a slaphead. It's more aerodynamically efficient.0 -
Isnt the rule that 'mansplaning' is 'anything I want it to be'?Danny565 said:
Is it not a bit ineffective without including Corbyn's comment (so people can judge if it actually was "mansplaining")....CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/971364840680902656?s=20Richard_Nabavi said:Blimey, I see that Theresa May came out with a spiffing joke with her 'mansplaining' jibe. Is this a first?
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Is this just the tarted up version of “Italian prosecco growers will make sure there’s a deal”?Sandpit said:
Yes, there’s an awful lot of dependency on the City in shifting public and private sector debt all over Europe. Its why there will be a deal, no matter how much Drunker and his political idiots think Britain should be punished for Brexit.MaxPB said:
With thousands of companies, banks and government/local authorities that need London's capital markets to raise money. I don't think Brexit and the City is as clear cut as people believe, see the French finance minister's comments on equivalence today and him speaking of mutual recognition rather than the one way street that has been proposed until now by the Commission. They need access to London's money markets more than they want to let on.Cyclefree said:
A Corbyn/McDonnell government is an even bigger threat. And just over the Channel is a large single Market with a passporting regime.....another_richard said:
I expect there will be job cuts in some areas (or perhaps jobs not replaced as people leave) but job increases in others.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I checked at the start of the year (though the figures were up to about August 2017 IIRC) and there are more financial services jobs than in June 2016.another_richard said:
As we were told on 24/06/16:MarqueeMark said:
But 83,000 jobs lost? What are we talking about here - closing down the NHS?Bromptonaut said:
No trace of confirmation bias there. No sirree.MarqueeMark said:
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https://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/248265/london-banking-redundancies-brexit/
I'd be interested to know how many London banking jobs there are now compared to before the Referendum.
Of course there have been thousands of banking jobs lost before and since then but they were prole jobs in prole towns and caused by branch closures and therefore deemed unimportant.
They've said there would be job cuts every week for the last 80 weeks.
Sure it might now happen - but it hasn't happened yet.
I would say that AI and globalisation are bigger threats to London banking than Brexit.0 -
Finally, before I get back to work, it's good to see the EU accept that there's no chance of staying in the customs union. It seemed last week they were making a last ditch effort to keep us in it as they knew it was the most unfavourable outcome for the UK.0
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To be fair though, Tessie's delivery was quite good that time -- usually, even when she does have a decent joke, she botches the timing, her voice cracks at the punchline, etc.0
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If you're desperately trying to get other countries to sign new treaties with you against a deadline it's not a great look to be blatantly violating the ones you've previously signed.geoffw said:Tariffs harm your own consumers as any fule kno.
If the EU puts tariffs on American products, the UK should simply refuse to comply. Heck, what are they going to do – kick us out?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/britain-should-rise-above-trumps-trade-war/0 -
I've noticed the voice cracking thing - when Jezza first went onto homelessness her first answer was cracked until she got into her stride (hence why she blathered on about saudis for a while: you could see and hear her ruffling the pages in her file get to the right section).Danny565 said:To be fair though, Tessie's delivery was quite good that time -- usually, even when she does have a decent joke, she botches the timing, her voice cracks at the punchline, etc.
They need to iron that out - also why whichever impersonator it is is so good (sorry can't remember her name): she gets the cracking perfectly.0 -
No, collectively EU companies and banks raise well over €1tn worth of equity and debt in London, that market won't easily be replicated in the EU after we've left which means they will still need to raise that money in London. For that reason I think there is a deal to be done on mutual recognition.Gardenwalker said:
Is this just the tarted up version of “Italian prosecco growers will make sure there’s a deal”?0 -
In the short term where there is continued uncertainty that is almost inevitably true but the effects seem modest. In the medium term much will depend on the terms of the FTA with the EU, passporting and whether the ECB takes more steps to have Euro denominated transactions banked within the EZ. That seems likely but there are strong underlying trends in favour of London that should comfortably offset that.TheWhiteRabbit said:
My memory isn't too shabby then.DavidL said:In view of some of the comments earlier on the thread I had a look at Financial Services employment in the UK (I tried for London but most seemed to end in 2015). The numbers can be found in here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/datasets/employmentbyindustryemp13
Basically, although still short of the recent peaks in 2015 employment in financial services had been increasing for 3 consecutive quarters to the end of 2017. Given the ever more aggressive branch closure programs of the Banks that seems to me to be quite encouraging.
Thank heavens...
My personal view is that Brexit is a drag on *adding* jobs in financial services, particularly at the higher end. Not an exodus, but we will be worser off for it.0
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