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Blimey.ydoethur said:Whatever the allegations and whatever their merits, tweets like this do not inspire confidence in the ability of the newly anointed Chief Whip:
https://twitter.com/CharlieElphicke/status/9265640939133911060 -
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.0 -
Yellow polka dots o presumeBeverley_C said:
Are your bikinis as bright as your suits and shirts?TheScreamingEagles said:
My piece opens with a line about bikinis.RobD said:
AV is a good topic regardless of the current crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
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That does have a very interesting first response which does show the difficulty if people are indeed innocentydoethur said:Whatever the allegations and whatever their merits, tweets like this do not inspire confidence in the ability of the newly anointed Chief Whip:
https://twitter.com/CharlieElphicke/status/926564093913391106
ElphickeThe party tipped off the press before telling me of my suspension. I am not aware of what the alleged claims are and deny any wrongdoing.
ReplyHow about stop thinking about yourself and think about the person who has made the allegations as they are the one that is suffering.
It's interesting as if he has done something wrong then the righteous indignation in the reply will be very warranted, but if he is in fact innocent then he has in essence been told how dare he deny wrongdoing because someone is suffering, when if the allegations aren't substantiated they aren't suffering at all.
Twitter replies are also definitely not a place where you see many 'This isn't party political' comments. If Hopkins has a twitter account I assume he gets similar lack of benefit of the doubt.
I see this story says allegations against Elphicke have been referred to police. Not proof, of course, but if they are serious allegations then well done being referred for proper investigation.0 -
What about their owner?TheScreamingEagles said:
My suits and shirts are very sober.Beverley_C said:
Are your bikinis as bright as your suits and shirts?TheScreamingEagles said:
My piece opens with a line about bikinis.RobD said:
AV is a good topic regardless of the current crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
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If anything the last 3 years has taught me how glad I am that I never chose to follow my first career goal of working in politics. It's been a crazy few years and only seems to be getting crazier.
Much more fun watching it all unfold, Sunday is going to be interesting!0 -
Looks as if there might be an opportunity arising for Ruth to enter Parliament if she wants it0
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Yup, is possible.Sandpit said:
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.
Is the Chief Whip’s first full day on the job.0 -
Please no ... I now have the rest of the lyrics running through my mindCharles said:
Yellow polka dots o presumeBeverley_C said:
Are your bikinis as bright as your suits and shirts?TheScreamingEagles said:
My piece opens with a line about bikinis.RobD said:
AV is a good topic regardless of the current crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
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I didn't say our system doesn't work (it does, mostly) although many politicians like to claim that our politics is "broken", and only they and their party can fix it. I just firmly believe that many MPs have bought into the myths and mystery of the place, and the way the building and system is set up, with all the archaic traditions and ceremonies, it enforces that belief that they are special. Give the building to the general public, and give the politicians a modern purpose built parliament without the bars and social locations, they can have a restaurant but shouldn't be drinking if they are working.felix said:
+1JosiasJessop said:
Firstly, being an MP is not an ordinary job. An 'ordinary' job, even at the pay a backbencher gets, does not involve the public pressure and attention that being an MP gets (see recent events), and involves two very different workplaces, often widely distributed: Westminster and the constituency.TwistedFireStopper said:I think we need to get rid of all the bullshit in Westminster, and I say this as a monarchist and lover of all the pomp and ceremony and traditions that that entails.
Parliament needs to be purely a place for lawmaking and government. Forget the billions needed to refurb the place, our MPs don't deserve it. Give them a purpose built building without the bars and listed architecture, they don't need it. Have a Premier Inn standard accommodation block next to it. Turn Westminster into something for the nation to enjoy and let the politicians get on with what we pay them to do.
Secondly, it can be argued that MPs do get on and do what we pay them to do. The country works. Yes, it could be better (if only we could agree on what 'better' meant), but neither are we a failure.
Finally, does any major country have a political system and politicians that work in your eyes?
It isn't an ordinary job, I agree, but it also shouldn't be the job it has become., and which they seem to be unable to let go of.0 -
Afraid of prejudicing the police investigation by being accused of giving him a heads up to prepare a story?Sandpit said:
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.0 -
Welcome to PBPoliticsSchmolitics said:If anything the last 3 years has taught me how glad I am that I never chose to follow my first career goal of working in politics. It's been a crazy few years and only seems to be getting crazier.
Much more fun watching it all unfold, Sunday is going to be interesting!0 -
My very cynical dad suggested that what Labour should do is chuck allegations at Tory MPs in marginal seats to bring down the government.0
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That however raises two further questions:kle4 said:I see this story says allegations against Elphicke have been referred to police. Not proof, of course, but if they are serious allegations then well done being referred for proper investigation.
1) why were they not made to the police directly if they were that serious and
2) what the hell was the Chief Whip thinking of to tell the press before the MP? That's a truly epic fail of management.0 -
On today's Mori, a 2% swing to Labour since June, the Tories would hold Dover where Labour need a 6% swing to take the seat.GIN1138 said:It's really not out of the question that CON could lose enough MP's over this sex scandal to make losing a no confidence vote a real possibility and force a general election next year?
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/926564500811276288
Plus Elphicke looks like he is coming out fighting and will not be resigning so unless he is convicted of a criminal offence and jailed for more than a year there will be no by election.
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I’m a good Muslim boy.ydoethur said:
What about their owner?TheScreamingEagles said:
My suits and shirts are very sober.Beverley_C said:
Are your bikinis as bright as your suits and shirts?TheScreamingEagles said:
My piece opens with a line about bikinis.RobD said:
AV is a good topic regardless of the current crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Most collective nouns are nonsense anyway, so you may as well say it is parliament of misfits is the collective noun. Yes, Owls have that one, but we can share.Beverley_C said:
Or maybe just a government?Big_G_NorthWales said:
We need a Government of national unityThe_Apocalypse said:
I’m beginning to think like yourself that this could lead to a GE.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Tories have done the right thing in the circumstances though, re the Elphicke allegation.
What is the collective noun for a bunch of misfits?0 -
Second time today this has happened. The member of the Welsh Cabinet who was suspended sad publicly he hadn't been told what the allegation was.0
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That's what Prince Majed al-Saud said.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m a good Muslim boy.ydoethur said:
What about their owner?TheScreamingEagles said:
My suits and shirts are very sober.Beverley_C said:
Are your bikinis as bright as your suits and shirts?TheScreamingEagles said:
My piece opens with a line about bikinis.RobD said:
AV is a good topic regardless of the current crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
(I am not comparing you to him in any other way, btw!)0 -
Michael Fabricant came out as bisexual on Celebrity First Dates I see, not much of a surprise, not that from the programme it looks like it makes much of a difference anyway.0
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I am deeply skeptical of the idea an old building (it really isn't that old, either) and some arcane procedures someone erodes the moral centre of MPs by making them think they are special and apart from the rest of us. People make the same claims that you get against MPs against councillors, and devolved parliamentarians, ones using old buildings and new ones, and places with other traditions or much less adherence to older procedures. It strikes me as a purported quick fix which would have very little impact.TwistedFireStopper said:
I didn't say our system doesn't work (it does, mostly) although many politicians like to claim that our politics is "broken", and only they and their party can fix it. I just firmly believe that many MPs have bought into the myths and mystery of the place, and the way the building and system is set up, with all the archaic traditions and ceremonies, it enforces that belief that they are special. Give the building to the general public, and give the politicians a modern purpose built parliament without the bars and social locations, they can have a restaurant but shouldn't be drinking if they are working.felix said:
+1JosiasJessop said:
Firstly, being an MP is not an ordinary job. An 'ordinary' job, even at the pay a backbencher gets, does not involve the public pressure and attention that being an MP gets (see recent events), and involves two very different workplaces, often widely distributed: Westminster and the constituency.TwistedFireStopper said:I think we need to get rid of all the bullshit in Westminster, and I say this as a monarchist and lover of all the pomp and ceremony and traditions that that entails.
Parliament needs to be purely a place for lawmaking and government. Forget the billions needed to refurb the place, our MPs don't deserve it. Give them a purpose built building without the bars and listed architecture, they don't need it. Have a Premier Inn standard accommodation block next to it. Turn Westminster into something for the nation to enjoy and let the politicians get on with what we pay them to do.
Secondly, it can be argued that MPs do get on and do what we pay them to do. The country works. Yes, it could be better (if only we could agree on what 'better' meant), but neither are we a failure.
Finally, does any major country have a political system and politicians that work in your eyes?
It isn't an ordinary job, I agree, but it also shouldn't be the job it has become., and which they seem to be unable to let go of.0 -
That's a shambles, just having read about it.YellowSubmarine said:Second time today this has happened. The member of the Welsh Cabinet who was suspended sad publicly he hadn't been told what the allegation was.
That said nobody is going to miss Carl Sargeant.0 -
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#ferretsinasack #nestofvipersScott_P said:0 -
The interesting part of that article is the revelation that the conservative who prepared the dossier allegedly works for Lord MandelsonScott_P said:0 -
Look, it's my rant and I'm sticking to it ok?kle4 said:
I am deeply skeptical of the idea an old building (it really isn't that old, either) and some arcane procedures someone erodes the moral centre of MPs by making them think they are special and apart from the rest of us. People make the same claims that you get against MPs against councillors, and devolved parliamentarians, ones using old buildings and new ones, and places with other traditions or much less adherence to older procedures. It strikes me as a purported quick fix which would have very little impact.TwistedFireStopper said:
I didn't say our system doesn't work (it does, mostly) although many politicians like to claim that our politics is "broken", and only they and their party can fix it. I just firmly believe that many MPs have bought into the myths and mystery of the place, and the way the building and system is set up, with all the archaic traditions and ceremonies, it enforces that belief that they are special. Give the building to the general public, and give the politicians a modern purpose built parliament without the bars and social locations, they can have a restaurant but shouldn't be drinking if they are working.felix said:
+1JosiasJessop said:
Firstly, being an MP is not an ordinary job. An 'ordinary' job, even at the pay a backbencher gets, does not involve the public pressure and attention that being an MP gets (see recent events), and involves two very different workplaces, often widely distributed: Westminster and the constituency.TwistedFireStopper said:I think we need to get rid of all the bullshit in Westminster, and I say this as a monarchist and lover of all the pomp and ceremony and traditions that that entails.
Parliament needs to be purely a place for lawmaking and government. Forget the billions needed to refurb the place, our MPs don't deserve it. Give them a purpose built building without the bars and listed architecture, they don't need it. Have a Premier Inn standard accommodation block next to it. Turn Westminster into something for the nation to enjoy and let the politicians get on with what we pay them to do.
Secondly, it can be argued that MPs do get on and do what we pay them to do. The country works. Yes, it could be better (if only we could agree on what 'better' meant), but neither are we a failure.
Finally, does any major country have a political system and politicians that work in your eyes?
It isn't an ordinary job, I agree, but it also shouldn't be the job it has become., and which they seem to be unable to let go of.0 -
lolTwistedFireStopper said:
Look, it's my rant and I'm sticking to it ok?kle4 said:
I am deeply skeptical of the idea an old building (it really isn't that old, either) and some arcane procedures someone erodes the moral centre of MPs by making them think they are special and apart from the rest of us. People make the same claims that you get against MPs against councillors, and devolved parliamentarians, ones using old buildings and new ones, and places with other traditions or much less adherence to older procedures. It strikes me as a purported quick fix which would have very little impact.TwistedFireStopper said:
I didn't say our system doesn't work (it does, mostly) although many politicians like to claim that our politics is "broken", and only they and their party can fix it. I just firmly believe that many MPs have bought into the myths and mystery of the place, and the way the building and system is set up, with all the archaic traditions and ceremonies, it enforces that belief that they are special. Give the building to the general public, and give the politicians a modern purpose built parliament without the bars and social locations, they can have a restaurant but shouldn't be drinking if they are working.felix said:
+1JosiasJessop said:
Firstly, being an MP is not an ordinary job. An 'ordinary' job, even at the pay a backbencher gets, does not involve the public pressure and attention that being an MP gets (see recent events), and involves two very different workplaces, often widely distributed: Westminster and the constituency.TwistedFireStopper said:I think we need to get rid of all the bullshit in Westminster, and I say this as a monarchist and lover of all the pomp and ceremony and traditions that that entails.
Parliament needs to be purely a place for lawmaking and government. Forget the billions needed to refurb the place, our MPs don't deserve it. Give them a purpose built building without the bars and listed architecture, they don't need it. Have a Premier Inn standard accommodation block next to it. Turn Westminster into something for the nation to enjoy and let the politicians get on with what we pay them to do.
Secondly, it can be argued that MPs do get on and do what we pay them to do. The country works. Yes, it could be better (if only we could agree on what 'better' meant), but neither are we a failure.
Finally, does any major country have a political system and politicians that work in your eyes?
It isn't an ordinary job, I agree, but it also shouldn't be the job it has become., and which they seem to be unable to let go of.0 -
Probably, although on the first point generally you expect oppositions to win by-elections don't you? You don't expect the same kind of result as a GE with minor variation, so one of that size majority I could see going. No matter how many times anyone says this issue is not party political, in such a scenario giving the government a kicking will be a popular option for all sorts of reasons.HYUFD said:
On today's Mori, a 2% swing to Labour since June, the Tories would hold Dover where Labour need a 6% swing to take the seat.GIN1138 said:It's really not out of the question that CON could lose enough MP's over this sex scandal to make losing a no confidence vote a real possibility and force a general election next year?
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/926564500811276288
Plus Elphicke looks like he is coming out fighting and will not be resigning so unless he is convicted of a criminal offence and jailed for more than a year there will be no by election.0 -
I’m a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant gambling and occasional fornication, oh and ignore the fact that I don’t pray except twice a year.ydoethur said:
That's what Prince Majed al-Saud said.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m a good Muslim boy.ydoethur said:
What about their owner?TheScreamingEagles said:
My suits and shirts are very sober.Beverley_C said:
Are your bikinis as bright as your suits and shirts?TheScreamingEagles said:
My piece opens with a line about bikinis.RobD said:
AV is a good topic regardless of the current crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
(I am not comparing you to him in any other way, btw!)0 -
Exactly - much of the world has 'access' to the EU single market but that isn't the same as membership of it and they don't have FOM to secure that access.HYUFD said:
You can still have access to the single market with a FTA and end free movement and replace it with a points system, you are just not members of the single market.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/926529983056695297felix said:The whole point of the past few months has been to demonstrate that the country is divided down the middle and we have a polarisation of two extremes holding all of the seats. We may need it but a government of national unity is not very likely.
The question should be membership of - not access to - the single market. As the former requires FOM and therefore not having control over EU immigration but the latter does not.0 -
There’s no allegedly about it. He works for Mandy.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The interesting part of that article is the revelation that the conservative who prepared the dossier allegedly works for Lord MandelsonScott_P said:
However Joe denies being the author of the dossier.0 -
Never mind that -are the doctors in that top story well known? I just wonder why Dr Mosley gets his name in larger type than Dr Bailey. Sexism!Scott_P said:0 -
I think allegedly is the word that is going to be most used over the coming weeksTheScreamingEagles said:
There’s no allegedly about it. He works for Mandy.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The interesting part of that article is the revelation that the conservative who prepared the dossier allegedly works for Lord MandelsonScott_P said:
However Joe denies being the author of the dossier.0 -
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People need to be careful, as depending on context that doesn't save you. Nor does adding an innocent face after all.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think allegedly is the word that is going to be most used over the coming weeksTheScreamingEagles said:
There’s no allegedly about it. He works for Mandy.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The interesting part of that article is the revelation that the conservative who prepared the dossier allegedly works for Lord MandelsonScott_P said:
However Joe denies being the author of the dossier.0 -
I think the bbc impartial police need to have a word with the bbc news team.
Current bbc top two headlines...
Tory MP Charlie....suspended
MP Hopkins denies...0 -
No innocent faces!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think allegedly is the word that is going to be most used over the coming weeksTheScreamingEagles said:
There’s no allegedly about it. He works for Mandy.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The interesting part of that article is the revelation that the conservative who prepared the dossier allegedly works for Lord MandelsonScott_P said:
However Joe denies being the author of the dossier.0 -
Thank goodness no scandal like this is erupting in the Catalonian parliament, that's the last thing they need right now.
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Chris Evans trololol
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You have to see the funny side:
WOMAN: Ooh, my ickle handie-wandies are so cooooold!
MAN: Poor thing! I've got somewhere you can stick them!
WOMAN: Mrs May! He told me he had somewhere I could stick my hands!0 -
Exactly, it is misleading and sounds like we cannot export anything to the EU/EEA ever again if we end free movement.brendan16 said:
Exactly - much of the world has 'access' to the EU single market but that isn't the same as membership of it and they don't have FOM to secure that access.HYUFD said:
You can still have access to the single market with a FTA and end free movement and replace it with a points system, you are just not members of the single market.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/926529983056695297felix said:The whole point of the past few months has been to demonstrate that the country is divided down the middle and we have a polarisation of two extremes holding all of the seats. We may need it but a government of national unity is not very likely.
The question should be membership of - not access to - the single market. As the former requires FOM and therefore not having control over EU immigration but the latter does not.0 -
Will the last public figure out the door please remember to turn the lights off...0
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Would May really have rocked the boat as much to have removed a prominent leaver like Leadsom? And was she even going to have a reshuffle? It all seems unlikely to me.0
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I noticed then he did that terrible show on a Friday night he always seemed to be whipping it out on air...FrancisUrquhart said:
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*shurgs* lord knows. We report on things happening in the German Bundestag for instance, but I don't see reference to the Cortes Generales in relation to Spain much, so reference in English usage is probably all over the place on these things.ydoethur said:
If it erupted in the Spanish parliament, on the other hand...kle4 said:Thank goodness no scandal like this is erupting in the Catalonian parliament, that's the last thing they need right now.
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+1Artist said:Would May really have rocked the boat as much to have removed a prominent leaver like Leadsom? And was she even going to have a reshuffle? It all seems unlikely to me.
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On Elphicke, we have yet to hear what the allegations are - but at this point I'd say he has a fair claim for constructive dismissal should the timeline be as he has tweeted.
Tipping off the press about an allegation before being notified of it yrself is either piss poor, or the whips want him gone quickly.0 -
Often but not always and Corbyn does not currently have the poll lead Blair or Kinnock had when they were winning Tory seats in by elections or even Ed Miliband had in 2012 when Labour won Corby.kle4 said:
Probably, although on the first point generally you expect oppositions to win by-elections don't you? You don't expect the same kind of result as a GE with minor variation, so one of that size majority I could see going. No matter how many times anyone says this issue is not party political, in such a scenario giving the government a kicking will be a popular option for all sorts of reasons.HYUFD said:
On today's Mori, a 2% swing to Labour since June, the Tories would hold Dover where Labour need a 6% swing to take the seat.GIN1138 said:It's really not out of the question that CON could lose enough MP's over this sex scandal to make losing a no confidence vote a real possibility and force a general election next year?
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/926564500811276288
Plus Elphicke looks like he is coming out fighting and will not be resigning so unless he is convicted of a criminal offence and jailed for more than a year there will be no by election.0 -
And I imagine the Sun can see no irony whatsoever in that front page!FrancisUrquhart said:
Gives a whole new meaning to the expression 'newsflash'...0 -
Every public figure who has ever woken up with a hangover must be wondering if something is going to come back and bite them.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Or that they a placing avoiding an accusation of any hint of a cover up or failure to take accusations seriously above anything else. Tipping the press off before him would be a dick move, although I can see the logic of suspending without explaining the allegation if the police are about to get involved first.Pulpstar said:On Elphicke, we have yet to hear what the allegations are - but at this point I'd say he has a fair claim for constructive dismissal should the timeline be as he has tweeted.
Tipping off the press about an allegation before being notified of it yrself is either piss poor, or the whips want him gone quickly.0 -
Me too. I think for one of several possible reasons Leadsom told May to sack Fallon and May couldn't refuse. If May had refused, Leadsom would then have resigned and accused May of softness on sexual harassment and it would have been curtains for May.Artist said:Would May really have rocked the boat as much to have removed a prominent leaver like Leadsom? And was she even going to have a reshuffle? It all seems unlikely to me.
But what will happen to May if the Sunday papers bring down Johnson?0 -
Back in the day, had the misfortune to be in the same venues as mr Evans when he was on a bender a few times. His behaviour, not big and not clever.GIN1138 said:
I noticed then he did that terrible show on a Friday night he always seemed to be whipping it out on air...FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
How many times has TSE voted for Mollie in Strictly I wonder?
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There were shocking rumors about his behavior in the 90's...FrancisUrquhart said:
Back in the day, had the misfortune to be in the same venues as mr Evans when he was on a bender a few times. His behaviour, not big and not clever.GIN1138 said:
I noticed then he did that terrible show on a Friday night he always seemed to be whipping it out on air...FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Just out of curiosity, is Portland Communications involved in all this? Will Tony Blair be welcomed back to save us all......TheScreamingEagles said:
There’s no allegedly about it. He works for Mandy.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The interesting part of that article is the revelation that the conservative who prepared the dossier allegedly works for Lord MandelsonScott_P said:
However Joe denies being the author of the dossier.0 -
If that's the case, then we really are fecked. The tossers are fighting amongst themselves, when they should be running the country.Pulpstar said:On Elphicke, we have yet to hear what the allegations are - but at this point I'd say he has a fair claim for constructive dismissal should the timeline be as he has tweeted.
Tipping off the press about an allegation before being notified of it yrself is either piss poor, or the whips want him gone quickly.
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@ZoraSuleman: Eight members of the House of Cards crew accuse Kevin Spacey of sexual harassment0
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Depends if any Labour big fish are also brought down - so long as it seems like no party owns this scandal more than anything else, the government can handle having to swap people in and out, even big figures.htt9 said:
Me too. I think for one of several possible reasons Leadsom told May to sack Fallon and May couldn't refuse. If May had refused, Leadsom would then have resigned and accused May of softness on sexual harassment and it would have been curtains for May.Artist said:Would May really have rocked the boat as much to have removed a prominent leaver like Leadsom? And was she even going to have a reshuffle? It all seems unlikely to me.
But what will happen to May if the Sunday papers bring down Johnson?0 -
The media journalist are even beginning to look exhausted at trying to keep up on the constant stream of accusations and denials.
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Rog will be along again in a mo to defend him...Scott_P said:@ZoraSuleman: Eight members of the House of Cards crew accuse Kevin Spacey of sexual harassment
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https://twitter.com/BBCPropaganda/status/926573676912398342
Does this tweet count as a hate crime against people of lower socio-economic class ?0 -
I wouldn't go that farOchEye said:
Just out of curiosity, is Portland Communications involved in all this? Will Tony Blair be welcomed back to save us all......TheScreamingEagles said:
There’s no allegedly about it. He works for Mandy.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The interesting part of that article is the revelation that the conservative who prepared the dossier allegedly works for Lord MandelsonScott_P said:
However Joe denies being the author of the dossier.0 -
You beat me to it!FrancisUrquhart said:
Rog will be along again in a mo to defend him...Scott_P said:@ZoraSuleman: Eight members of the House of Cards crew accuse Kevin Spacey of sexual harassment
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That is when I encountered him....well then and when he ran that furniture shop in Camden market.GIN1138 said:
There were shocking rumors about his behavior in the 90's...FrancisUrquhart said:
Back in the day, had the misfortune to be in the same venues as mr Evans when he was on a bender a few times. His behaviour, not big and not clever.GIN1138 said:
I noticed then he did that terrible show on a Friday night he always seemed to be whipping it out on air...FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
It has been going on 18 months if you had been paying attentionTwistedFireStopper said:
If that's the case, then we really are fecked. The tossers are fighting amongst themselves, when they should be running the country.Pulpstar said:On Elphicke, we have yet to hear what the allegations are - but at this point I'd say he has a fair claim for constructive dismissal should the timeline be as he has tweeted.
Tipping off the press about an allegation before being notified of it yrself is either piss poor, or the whips want him gone quickly. 0 -
You kind of expect the Tories to be at it at a low level permanently, but grassing up one of your own to the press before you tell him he's on the naughty step is a bit much....foxinsoxuk said:
It has been going on 18 months if you had been paying attentionTwistedFireStopper said:
If that's the case, then we really are fecked. The tossers are fighting amongst themselves, when they should be running the country.Pulpstar said:On Elphicke, we have yet to hear what the allegations are - but at this point I'd say he has a fair claim for constructive dismissal should the timeline be as he has tweeted.
Tipping off the press about an allegation before being notified of it yrself is either piss poor, or the whips want him gone quickly.0 -
Yes, top decision to move the Chief Whip in the middle of a personnel crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, is possible.Sandpit said:
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.
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Any rumours of what the Sundays might have up their sleeves?0
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Does the chief whip usually have the authority to withdraw the whip? I thought that was up to the leader.0
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I’m not keen on Mollie, I’ve not voted for her.GIN1138 said:How many times has TSE voted for Mollie in Strictly I wonder?
I’m on Team Susan, Jonnie, Debbie, and Gemma.0 -
Must have been approved by TMhtt9 said:Does the chief whip usually have the authority to withdraw the whip? I thought that was up to the leader.
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In the diet world Dr Moseley is. He invented the 5:2 diet, though his 800 calorie for eight weeks diet is so good at curing Diabetes T2, that Diabetes UK are running a formal trial on it.kle4 said:
Never mind that -are the doctors in that top story well known? I just wonder why Dr Mosley gets his name in larger type than Dr Bailey. Sexism!Scott_P said:
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The stories in the Mail and Telegraph are much more serious for the government IMO. If cabinet ministers are using the allegations to settle political scores this will poison relationships at the top of government even further and will hasten the day - not far off now I think - when the whole edifice collapses.
Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.
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I doubt they will want to reveal anything and would expect lot of embargoed copyChris_A said:Any rumours of what the Sundays might have up their sleeves?
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You would hope for something so serious they would do more than leave a voice message or a WhatsApp.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
I think that it is those papers following their own agendaanothernick said:The stories in the Mail and Telegraph are much more serious for the government IMO. If cabinet ministers are using the allegations to settle political scores this will poison relationships at the top of government even further and will hasten the day - not far off now I think - when the whole edifice collapses.
Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.
Seems more serious accusations involving Fallon are muted and Leadsom not involved0 -
Again, in fairness, what if they could not get hold of him? Sit on the allegation until they can? That may not be the case, given they apparently tipped off the press first, but it is possible they had little choice but to move so harshly.FrancisUrquhart said:
You would hope for something so serious they would do more than leave a voice message or a WhatsApp.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
Mrs May’s not very good is she ?david_herdson said:
Yes, top decision to move the Chief Whip in the middle of a personnel crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, is possible.Sandpit said:
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.
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Agreed but maybe she is the one person who can rise above the fray. Who else is thereTheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May’s not very good is she ?david_herdson said:
Yes, top decision to move the Chief Whip in the middle of a personnel crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, is possible.Sandpit said:
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.
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I wouldn’t be phoning his family, his agent, the local party, his friends, etc...get somebody to get to him in person and say emergency...kle4 said:
Again, in fairness, what if they could not get hold of him? Sit on the allegation until they can? That may not be the case, given they apparently tipped off the press first, but it is possible they had little choice but to move so harshly.FrancisUrquhart said:
You would hope for something so serious they would do more than leave a voice message or a WhatsApp.The_Apocalypse said:
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Mophead.Chris_A said:Any rumours of what the Sundays might have up their sleeves?
I'll just say he is in a weaker position than some because he's got less of a reputation. It is a matter of public record that he has been a liar at work (he got sacked for it twice), a serial adulterer, and a man who discussed with his pal Darius a plan to get the crap kicked out of a journalist (the tape is on Youtube). That doesn't mean any other allegation about him is true of course, but...0 -
Chasing through that field of wheat is a killer....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Agreed but maybe she is the one person who can rise above the fray. Who else is thereTheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May’s not very good is she ?david_herdson said:
Yes, top decision to move the Chief Whip in the middle of a personnel crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, is possible.Sandpit said:
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.
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Perhaps all the ladies bonking boris has bedded have done so consenually?htt9 said:
Mophead.Chris_A said:Any rumours of what the Sundays might have up their sleeves?
I'll just say he is in a weaker position than some because he's got less of a reputation. It is a matter of public record that he has been a liar at work (he got sacked for it twice), a serial adulterer, and a man who discussed with his pal Darius a plan to get the crap kicked out of a journalist (the tape is on Youtube). That doesn't mean any other allegation about him is true of course, but...0 -
I can think of six others who could do a better job than her.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Agreed but maybe she is the one person who can rise above the fray. Who else is thereTheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May’s not very good is she ?david_herdson said:
Yes, top decision to move the Chief Whip in the middle of a personnel crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, is possible.Sandpit said:
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.
Is the Chief Whip’s first full day on the job.0 -
She seems stable in comparison to many currently in her government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May’s not very good is she ?david_herdson said:
Yes, top decision to move the Chief Whip in the middle of a personnel crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, is possible.Sandpit said:
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.
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Line them all up and the one who stands out as different, and possibly even above it, is Moggers.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Agreed but maybe she is the one person who can rise above the fray. Who else is thereTheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May’s not very good is she ?david_herdson said:
Yes, top decision to move the Chief Whip in the middle of a personnel crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, is possible.Sandpit said:
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.
Is the Chief Whip’s first full day on the job.0 -
Realistically whoTheScreamingEagles said:
I can think of six others who could do a better job than her.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Agreed but maybe she is the one person who can rise above the fray. Who else is thereTheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May’s not very good is she ?david_herdson said:
Yes, top decision to move the Chief Whip in the middle of a personnel crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, is possible.Sandpit said:
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.
Is the Chief Whip’s first full day on the job.0 -
Seems quite endearing in the current climate.FrancisUrquhart said:
Chasing through that field of wheat is a killer....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Agreed but maybe she is the one person who can rise above the fray. Who else is thereTheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May’s not very good is she ?david_herdson said:
Yes, top decision to move the Chief Whip in the middle of a personnel crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, is possible.Sandpit said:
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.
Is the Chief Whip’s first full day on the job.0 -
He hasn't been dismissed from his job as an MP though - is there legal redress for having your party whip withdrawn?Pulpstar said:On Elphicke, we have yet to hear what the allegations are - but at this point I'd say he has a fair claim for constructive dismissal should the timeline be as he has tweeted.
Tipping off the press about an allegation before being notified of it yrself is either piss poor, or the whips want him gone quickly.0 -
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.0
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Brown and BlairSean_F said:The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
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Gove, Hunt, Uncork the Gauke, Cameron, Osborne, and Davidson.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Realistically whoTheScreamingEagles said:
I can think of six others who could do a better job than her.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Agreed but maybe she is the one person who can rise above the fray. Who else is thereTheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May’s not very good is she ?david_herdson said:
Yes, top decision to move the Chief Whip in the middle of a personnel crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, is possible.Sandpit said:
So someone from the party calls him up, tells him he’s been suspended and to expect a knock on the door from Plod - but won’t say why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.
Is the Chief Whip’s first full day on the job.0
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