And what would fill it? UKIP are a joke, the Greens are utterly mental and the Liberal Democrats are working hard to minimise the policy differences between them and Labour.
A new party, made up of the Yellow Bookers, One Nation Pro Business One Nation Tories, and the Blairites.
Politics, like nature, abhors a vacuum, something will replace the Tory party if it fails.
The Tory Party and Labour would both split in that case, with the centrist wings of both parties and the LDs uniting, perhaps led by Chuka Umunna or George Osborne and the right of the Tories being joined by UKIP, perhaps led by Jacob Rees Mogg and the left of Labour perhaps joined by the Greens still led by Jeremy Corbyn.
While I accept the point that nature abhors a vacuum and all that, most senior figures are so committed to a party brand even when it makes no sense, that I struggle to see while the opponent party would split even if one of the parties did - Chuka Umunna for instance would be pilloried by half his own supporters at least if he said 'I have more in common with a former Tory' and the same applies for plenty of Tories, I just don't see any party that is not collapsing in support splitting. Even when many feared Labour was on course for a total shellacking, there was no real suggestion they would split, not credibly.
It would take a Macron style new party of the centre most probably which was durable unlike the SDP.
Andss="Quote" rel="Monksfield">What a shambles. This is what results from running a 21C country by 18C procedure.
The way the HoC operates needs total reform, much less adversarial yah boo and much more grown up respect.
And how do we get that? It's not as though the public does not reward adversarial yah boo. In fact they prefer it when parties vilify their opponents.
A primary system would be good, an end to FPTP would also help. Too many folk with jobs for life in safe seats.
I'm not opposed to either of those things being implemented, although frankly I don't think it would change the culture of our politics all that much, I just think it would be a fairer system.
DH start. There's no ideal system (other than AV, obviously).
Forms of list PR produce even greater reliance on party patronage, while open lists and STV (and primaries) incentivise pork-barrelling.
Edit - I've messed up the nesting of the post. Apologies.
I miss the good old days of boring, liberal, Dave.
Amen, every passing day I'm more convinced Dave will be the last Tory to win a majority.
There's a feeling that Brexit will do to the Tory party what WWI did to the Liberals.
And what would fill it? UKIP are a joke, the Greens are utterly mental and the Liberal Democrats are working hard to minimise the policy differences between them and Labour.
A new party, made up of the Yellow Bookers, One Nation Pro Business One Nation Tories, and the Blairites.
Politics, like nature, abhors a vacuum, something will replace the Tory party if it fails.
The Tory Party and Labour would both split in that case, with the centrist wings of both parties and the LDs uniting, perhaps led by Chuka Umunna or George Osborne and the right of the Tories being joined by UKIP, perhaps led by Jacob Rees Mogg and the left of Labour perhaps joined by the Greens still led by Jeremy Corbyn.
While I accept the point that nature abhors a vacuum and all that, most senior figures are so committed to a party brand even when it would split, not credibly.
It would take a Macron style new party of the centre most probably which was durable unlike the SDP.
What a shambles. This is what results from running a 21C country by 18C procedure.
The way the HoC operates needs total reform, much less adversarial yah boo and much more grown up respect.
And how do we get that? It's not as though the public does not reward adversarial yah boo. In fact they prefer it when parties vilify their opponents.
It would likely take a weak Corbyn government, following a narrow defeat of a rightwing Conservative Party (perhaps led by Boris then Rees-Mogg), to pave the way for a British Macron (probably Umunna). Much as it took a weak Hollande Presidency and government following a narrow defeat of the rightwing Sarkozy and Les Republicains to pave the way for Macron, the Socialists having nominated the leftwing Hamon and Les Republicains the rightwing Fillon.
It is not impossible the USA could similarly see a centrist candidate emerge sooner rather than later, especially if the next election is Trump/Pence v Sanders/Warren as now looks likely.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
There's no ideal system (other than AV, obviously).
Forms of list PR produce even greater reliance on party patronage, while open lists and STV (and primaries) incentivise pork-barrelling.
As you say no electoral system is perfect. Nor are procedures. That's why I'm sceptical about any proposals that changing either will change problems in our political culture. Some aspects might improve, others might get worse, but a lot of the culture has seemingly little to do either with the electoral system or procedure.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
But since bursaries for nurse training were withdrawn by Osborne and their pay has been held down as an austerity measure it is much harder to attract students to train as nurses.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Where are they coming from HYUFD?
The UK, nursing associates don't need a degree so it costs less to train them and they don't need to worry about student fees.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
But since bursaries for nurse training were withdrawn by Osborne and their pay has been held down as an austerity measure it is much harder to attract students to train as nurses.
Which is why the nursing associate route offers a cheaper alternative if they are put off by student fees and loans. The public sector pay cap is also likely to end in the Budget and nurses will get a pay rise above 1% for the first time in 7 years.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
How many more since 2010
There aren't more, there are fewer. May 2010 317,657 July 2017 315,485
There has been a slight increase in WTEs of 0.1% - only problem being that the number of patients has increased by about 10% in that time.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Nursing associates are not nurses. Those who will consider getting £9k+ into debt now will not be qualified nurses until 2020. The staff are need now. Like Hunt always does he talks about the safest system in the world but does nothing to support his empty rhetoric.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Nursing associates are not nurses. Those who will consider getting £9k+ into debt now will not be qualified nurses until 2020. The staff are need now. Like Hunt always does he talks about the safest system in the world but does nothing to support his empty rhetoric.
@HYUFD likes his tractor stats to prove everything is rosy.
Staffing data here if anyone's interested https://digital.nhs.uk/catalogue/PUB30100 And Hunt has the gall to bleat about greater productivity is needed if we're to get a fair pay award.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
But since bursaries for nurse training were withdrawn by Osborne and their pay has been held down as an austerity measure it is much harder to attract students to train as nurses.
Which is why the nursing associate route offers a cheaper alternative if they are put off by student fees and loans. The public sector pay cap is also likely to end in the Budget and nurses will get a pay rise above 1% for the first time in 7 years.
I believe the cap has already been lifted for nurses (and police). However the government has not allocated any money to cover pay rises above 1% so either pay will not rise or cuts will have to be found elsewhere in the NHS to cover the gap.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Where are they coming from HYUFD?
The UK, nursing associates don't need a degree so it costs less to train them and they don't need to worry about student fees.
So you're at the dentists reception and they say that the dentist has gone back to Croatia but don't worry we've got this lovey chap, a dental associate, he's not had all the training of a dentist but I'm sure he'll do a grand job. Or you're buying a house and get offered a legal associate to act for you. Or are having a new extension and the Architect Associate (much cheaper to train, not quite got all the knowledge) draws up the plans for you.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Where are they coming from HYUFD?
The UK, nursing associates don't need a degree so it costs less to train them and they don't need to worry about student fees.
So you're at the dentists reception and they say that the dentist has gone back to Croatia but don't worry we've got this lovey chap, a dental associate, he's not had all the training of a dentist but I'm sure he'll do a grand job. Or you're buying a house and get offered a legal associate to act for you. Or are having a new extension and the Architect Associate (much cheaper to train, not quite got all the knowledge) draws up the plans for you.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
But since bursaries for nurse training were withdrawn by Osborne and their pay has been held down as an austerity measure it is much harder to attract students to train as nurses.
Which is why the nursing associate route offers a cheaper alternative if they are put off by student fees and loans. The public sector pay cap is also likely to end in the Budget and nurses will get a pay rise above 1% for the first time in 7 years.
Don't forget it was 0% for 3 of those years. And it will still be a real terms pay cut. My bet is that Hunt will try the same trick as with the police officers and offer a non-consolidated top-up for this year only. the DoH have form in this respect.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Nursing associates are not nurses. Those who will consider getting £9k+ into debt now will not be qualified nurses until 2020. The staff are need now. Like Hunt always does he talks about the safest system in the world but does nothing to support his empty rhetoric.
They will be able to do most of what nurses do actually.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Where are they coming from HYUFD?
The UK, nursing associates don't need a degree so it costs less to train them and they don't need to worry about student fees.
So you're at the dentists reception and they say that the dentist has gone back to Croatia but don't worry we've got this lovey chap, a dental associate, he's not had all the training of a dentist but I'm sure he'll do a grand job. Or you're buying a house and get offered a legal associate to act for you. Or are having a new extension and the Architect Associate (much cheaper to train, not quite got all the knowledge) draws up the plans for you.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
But since bursaries for nurse training were withdrawn by Osborne and their pay has been held down as an austerity measure it is much harder to attract students to train as nurses.
Which is why the nursing associate route offers a cheaper alternative if they are put off by student fees and loans. The public sector pay cap is also likely to end in the Budget and nurses will get a pay rise above 1% for the first time in 7 years.
I believe the cap has already been lifted for nurses (and police). However the government has not allocated any money to cover pay rises above 1% so either pay will not rise or cuts will have to be found elsewhere in the NHS to cover the gap.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Where are they coming from HYUFD?
The UK, nursing associates don't need a degree so it costs less to train them and they don't need to worry about student fees.
So you're at the dentists reception and they say that the dentist has gone back to Croatia but don't worry we've got this lovey chap, a dental associate, he's not had all the training of a dentist but I'm sure he'll do a grand job. Or you're buying a house and get offered a legal associate to act for you. Or are having a new extension and the Architect Associate (much cheaper to train, not quite got all the knowledge) draws up the plans for you.
Pure dumbing down, plain and simple.
Oh for goodness sake you do not need a phd to be a nurse. 40 years ago most nurses trained on the wards and did not have a degree. Same with the police and Police Community Support Officers do an excellent job as Nursing Associates will.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Nursing associates are not nurses. Those who will consider getting £9k+ into debt now will not be qualified nurses until 2020. The staff are need now. Like Hunt always does he talks about the safest system in the world but does nothing to support his empty rhetoric.
They will be able to do most of what nurses do actually.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Where are they coming from HYUFD?
The UK, nursing associates don't need a degree so it costs less to train them and they don't need to worry about student fees.
So you're at the dentists reception and they say that the dentist has gone back to Croatia but don't worry we've got this lovey chap, a dental associate, he's not had all the training of a dentist but I'm sure he'll do a grand job. Or you're buying a house and get offered a legal associate to act for you. Or are having a new extension and the Architect Associate (much cheaper to train, not quite got all the knowledge) draws up the plans for you.
I don't think so. Better to have band 4 NA's rather than unfilled band 5 RGN's. at my Trust 10% of nursing jobs are infilled, probably Wolves no different.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Nursing associates are not nurses. Those who will consider getting £9k+ into debt now will not be qualified nurses until 2020. The staff are need now. Like Hunt always does he talks about the safest system in the world but does nothing to support his empty rhetoric.
They will be able to do most of what nurses do actually.
They are NOT nurses.
To almost all extent and purposes they will be and if they ultimately want to do a year or so more training after a few years being a registered nursing associate to become a registered nurse they can do.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
But since bursaries for nurse training were withdrawn by Osborne and their pay has been held down as an austerity measure it is much harder to attract students to train as nurses.
Which is why the nursing associate route offers a cheaper alternative if they are put off by student fees and loans. The public sector pay cap is also likely to end in the Budget and nurses will get a pay rise above 1% for the first time in 7 years.
Don't forget it was 0% for 3 of those years. And it will still be a real terms pay cut. My bet is that Hunt will try the same trick as with the police officers and offer a non-consolidated top-up for this year only. the DoH have form in this respect.
Wages across the board are still rising below inflation, including in the private sector, so it is not as if there are vast wage increases elsewhere in the economy and a land of milk and honey outside the public sector.
Oh for goodness sake you do not need a phd to be a nurse. 40 years ago most nurses trained on the wards and did not have a degree. Same with the police and Police Community Support Officers do an excellent job as Nursing Associates will.
You don't, but some nurses do have PhDs. Just under 40 years ago you could fit the entire drug formulary in the UK into 329 pages. My latest one has 1,878. 40 years ago there was no digital imaging, 3-D scans, MRI, CT. 40 years ago medicine was much simpler but still if you want the cheapest and less-educated practitioners then fine.
The expenses clock starts ticking. They might regret that in about four and a half years time.
Are you sure you are quite up to date on that one, Mr Smithson? I thought the rules had changed.
Yes, despite the continuing practice of referring to selected candidates as PPCs, spend is regulated now based on timeframes not on a declaration of candidacy.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Nursing associates are not nurses. Those who will consider getting £9k+ into debt now will not be qualified nurses until 2020. The staff are need now. Like Hunt always does he talks about the safest system in the world but does nothing to support his empty rhetoric.
They will be able to do most of what nurses do actually.
They are NOT nurses.
To almost all extent and purposes they will be and if they ultimately want to do a year or so more training after a few years being a registered nursing associate to become a registered nurse they can do.
I don't know how I can put this any more simply. THEY ARE NOT NURSES.
I don't think so. Better to have band 4 NA's rather than unfilled band 5 RGN's. at my Trust 10% of nursing jobs are infilled, probably Wolves no different.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Where are they coming from HYUFD?
The UK, nursing associates don't need a degree so it costs less to train them and they don't need to worry about student fees.
So you're at the dentists reception and they say that the dentist has gone back to Croatia but don't worry we've got this lovey chap, a dental associate, he's not had all the training of a dentist but I'm sure he'll do a grand job. Or you're buying a house and get offered a legal associate to act for you. Or are having a new extension and the Architect Associate (much cheaper to train, not quite got all the knowledge) draws up the plans for you.
Pure dumbing down, plain and simple.
Oh for goodness sake you do not need a phd to be a nurse. 40 years ago most nurses trained on the wards and did not have a degree. Same with the police and Police Community Support Officers do an excellent job as Nursing Associates will.
Medicine and Nursing have both moved on over the last 40 years, particularly in terms of technology.
NA's will help fill the gap, but are really a reinvention of the SEN grade.
Operations cancelled because of staff shortages have risen sharply last year:
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Nursing associates are not nurses. Those who will consider getting £9k+ into debt now will not be qualified nurses until 2020. The staff are need now. Like Hunt always does he talks about the safest system in the world but does nothing to support his empty rhetoric.
They will be able to do most of what nurses do actually.
They are NOT nurses.
To almost all extent and purposes they will be and if they ultimately want to do a year or so more training after a few years being a registered nursing associate to become a registered nurse they can do.
I don't know how I can put this any more simply. THEY ARE NOT NURSES.
They are around 90% nurses and will do most of the functions and activities nurses do and be registered with the NMC.
I don't think so. Better to have band 4 NA's rather than unfilled band 5 RGN's. at my Trust 10% of nursing jobs are infilled, probably Wolves no different.
Oh for goodness sake you do not need a phd to be a nurse. 40 years ago most nurses trained on the wards and did not have a degree. Same with the police and Police Community Support Officers do an excellent job as Nursing Associates will.
You don't, but some nurses do have PhDs. Just under 40 years ago you could fit the entire drug formulary in the UK into 329 pages. My latest one has 1,878. 40 years ago there was no digital imaging, 3-D scans, MRI, CT. 40 years ago medicine was much simpler but still if you want the cheapest and less-educated practitioners then fine.
So what, if they want to do a PhD in their spare time fine but being a nurse is not rocket science and a key element is practical contact with patients in the wards.
Oh for goodness sake you do not need a phd to be a nurse. 40 years ago most nurses trained on the wards and did not have a degree. Same with the police and Police Community Support Officers do an excellent job as Nursing Associates will.
You don't, but some nurses do have PhDs. Just under 40 years ago you could fit the entire drug formulary in the UK into 329 pages. My latest one has 1,878. 40 years ago there was no digital imaging, 3-D scans, MRI, CT. 40 years ago medicine was much simpler but still if you want the cheapest and less-educated practitioners then fine.
PCSOs do most of the job of the police and can arrest anyone without a warrant they suspect of committing an indictable offence and can use reasonable force to do so and can use handcuffs to do so. They can also control traffic, issue penalty charge notices etc.
If the Norfolk Chief Constable wants to expand his officers by removing some PCSOs that is up to him but there is not a vast difference between them apart from the officers do the final interview.
The Conservative Party is just like a sick dog that has to be put down. We can't be governed by people who hate each other so much that they can't work with each other.
Meanwhile Brexit spirals out of control, damaging everything in its path. We had dinner with a friend of my wife earlier - she is involved in recruitment of nurses and said that since it is now almost impossible to get recruits from EU countries hospitals are recruiting from India and the Philippines instead. The position is so desperate that the requirement for candidates to hold IELTS certificates (to prove fluency in English) is being ignored and nurses are being recruited without formal proof of their language ability. Just another way in which Brexit is impacting on the NHS which is not quite the same as we were promised at the referendum.
Of course Hunt would tell you he's employing more and more nurses. He's not, it's another lie. There are fewer nurses employed in the NHS than there were 12 months ago.
Hunt is bringing in large numbers of nursing associates who will be trained and ready to enter the NHS with NMC registration by 2019 as well as expanding training places for nurses.
Where are they coming from HYUFD?
The UK, nursing associates don't need a degree so it costs less to train them and they don't need to worry about student fees.
So you're at the dentists reception simple.
Oh for goodness sake you do not need a phd to be a nurse. 40 years ago most nurses trained on the wards and did not have a degree. Same with the police and Police Community Support Officers do an excellent job as Nursing Associates will.
Medicine and Nursing have both moved on over the last 40 years, particularly in terms of technology.
NA's will help fill the gap, but are really a reinvention of the SEN grade.
Operations cancelled because of staff shortages have risen sharply last year:
I live with this sort of stuff every day. It is bloody depressing.
Whinge, whinge, whinge. Of course in actual fact the Tories are spending an extra £8 billion on the NHS while cutting the deficit your Labour Party left.
Kelvin Hopkins was one of just seven Labour MPs who were strongly in favour of Brexit, the others being Campbell, Field, Hoey, Mann, Skinner and Stringer.
The Cryzine piece on Boris Johnson (I probably shouldn't link to it) contains no new info, but for its sheer viciousness it could hit home. He really "should" sue, but maybe can't?
Whinge, whinge, whinge. Of course in actual fact the Tories are spending an extra £8 billion on the NHS while cutting the deficit your Labour Party left.
We need an explicitly political discussion about how much we want to pay in taxes for the NHS and what kind of service we expect. It’s time to stop ducking behind efficiency savings and come out and say- you need to pay more or you need to expect less.
The reality is the minuscule NHS funding increases are far outstripped by rising demand pressures. So why don’t Tories come out and say it - ‘we want a managed decline of service in the NHS’.
Broadcom announces it's buying its biggest competitor, and now it's a US company we can reasonably assume that the purchase will be allowed.
I wouldn't like to be a wireless engineer in San Diego today.
Yeah, there was all sorts of speculation around yesterday as to why Broadcom wanted to base itself back in the US, it was obviously not just so they could pay more tax.
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Yay! Lots of new jobs!
Broadcom announces it's buying its biggest competitor, and now it's a US company we can reasonably assume that the purchase will be allowed.
I wouldn't like to be a wireless engineer in San Diego today.
DH start.
There's no ideal system (other than AV, obviously).
Forms of list PR produce even greater reliance on party patronage, while open lists and STV (and primaries) incentivise pork-barrelling.
Edit - I've messed up the nesting of the post. Apologies.
It is not impossible the USA could similarly see a centrist candidate emerge sooner rather than later, especially if the next election is Trump/Pence v Sanders/Warren as now looks likely.
Where are they coming from HYUFD?
It says "Watch Channel 4 News at 7" - old news?
Think its safe to assume Harriet won't be appearing again anytime soon...
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July 2017 315,485
There has been a slight increase in WTEs of 0.1% - only problem being that the number of patients has increased by about 10% in that time.
The truth is less so:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/924609940689440768
And Hunt has the gall to bleat about greater productivity is needed if we're to get a fair pay award.
Pure dumbing down, plain and simple.
https://twitter.com/ShaunLintern/status/926084569278840833
Mid Staffs Trust was wound up this week:
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/925627274094940160
Why not ask the Chief Constable of Norfolk about the merits of PCSOs? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/19/first-police-force-britain-set-axe-pcsos-amid-falling-budgets/
NA's will help fill the gap, but are really a reinvention of the SEN grade.
Operations cancelled because of staff shortages have risen sharply last year:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-staff-shortages-blame-cancelled-operations-risk-children-young-people-labour-a7844241.html
I live with this sort of stuff every day. It is bloody depressing.
PCSOs do most of the job of the police and can arrest anyone without a warrant they suspect of committing an indictable offence and can use reasonable force to do so and can use handcuffs to do so. They can also control traffic, issue penalty charge notices etc.
If the Norfolk Chief Constable wants to expand his officers by removing some PCSOs that is up to him but there is not a vast difference between them apart from the officers do the final interview.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thinktankcentral/2017/11/carys-roberts-to-win-over-young-people-conservatives-must-spread-capital-ownership.html
The problem is the tory client vote won't have any of it. The dementia tax didn't go anywhere near far enough.
The Cryzine piece on Boris Johnson (I probably shouldn't link to it) contains no new info, but for its sheer viciousness it could hit home. He really "should" sue, but maybe can't?
The reality is the minuscule NHS funding increases are far outstripped by rising demand pressures.
So why don’t Tories come out and say it - ‘we want a managed decline of service in the NHS’.
I do wonder though whether food rotting in fields - if indeed that does happen/is happening - will have a cut through with elderly voters.
My sense is that they often have a very visceral reaction to waste...