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Aldwick West on Arun (Con defence) Result: Con 480 (35% -17% on last time), Lab 112 (8%, no candidate last time), Lib Dem 719 (53% +35% on last time), Green 54 (4%, no candidate last time) (No UKIP candidate this time -30%) Liberal Democrat GAIN from Conservative with a majority of 239 (18%) on a swing of 26% from Con to Lib Dem
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So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.0
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I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
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Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
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Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
People remember the duck house we didn’t pay for not the fake office we did.0 -
Suggestions in the telegraph podcast upto 12 MPs will fallFrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
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Since I remember the former and not the latter, you are probably right!FrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
People remember the duck house we didn’t pay for not the fake office we did.
Fall how? Lose ministerial/shadow ministerial posts? Be forced to resign as MPs?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Suggestions in the telegraph podcast upto 12 MPs will fallFrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
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Denis macshane went to prison over his fake office but I would wager less than 5% have any recollection of it.kle4 said:
Since I remember the former and not the latter, you are probably right!FrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
People remember the duck house we didn’t pay for not the fake office we did.
Fall how? Lose ministerial/shadow ministerial posts? Be forced to resign as MPs?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Suggestions in the telegraph podcast upto 12 MPs will fallFrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
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Yes, that's absolutely right. I started work in 2009 and was very busy so didn't have too much time for following politics. But what I took from it was that it hurt the Tories more because of the imagery of the duck house.FrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
People remember the duck house we didn’t pay for not the fake office we did.
John Pienaar said tonight that he thinks this scandal is bigger. I disagree. I think it's mostly Westminster obsessives gossiping about people they know.0 -
Ultimately, the voters should win.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
Westminster needs to stop believing that it is a special case, and not subject to the same rules, laws and discipline that the rest of the public are. I accept that it isn't all MPs behaving inappropriately (what a joke that is, grown men on at least 75 grand a year plus expenses, having to have a Code of Conduct on how to behave!), but there seems to be a substantial minority that treat it like a boy's club. Trump wanted to drain the swamp, perhaps we should knock parliament into the Thames and start again.0 -
I mean it does really depend. I doubt most people outside of the Westminster bubble care about Fallon’s off colour joke or even Lewis alleged bottom pinch...rightly or wrongly in most towns it is a standard Saturday night out, and a pretty tame one at that.tlg86 said:
Yes, that's absolutely right. I started work in 2009 and was very busy so didn't have too much time for following politics. But what I took from it was that it hurt the Tories more because of the imagery of the duck house.FrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
People remember the duck house we didn’t pay for not the fake office we did.
John Pienaar said tonight that he thinks this scandal is bigger. I disagree. I think it's mostly Westminster obsessives gossiping about people they know.
If there have been stuff like rape covered up, now that is explosive.0 -
Telegraph says fall so not surekle4 said:
Since I remember the former and not the latter, you are probably right!FrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
People remember the duck house we didn’t pay for not the fake office we did.
Fall how? Lose ministerial/shadow ministerial posts? Be forced to resign as MPs?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Suggestions in the telegraph podcast upto 12 MPs will fallFrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
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Clive Lewis now facing allegations according to Sky News.0
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If Lewis pinched my wife's arse, he'd be getting her size 3 stiletto straight in his balls. Would it not bother you if it was your wife or daughter getting pawed by these tossers?FrancisUrquhart said:
I mean it does really depend. I doubt most people outside of the Westminster bubble care about Fallon’s off colour joke or even Lewis alleged bottom pinch...rightly or wrongly in most towns it is a standard Saturday night out.tlg86 said:
Yes, that's absolutely right. I started work in 2009 and was very busy so didn't have too much time for following politics. But what I took from it was that it hurt the Tories more because of the imagery of the duck house.FrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
People remember the duck house we didn’t pay for not the fake office we did.
John Pienaar said tonight that he thinks this scandal is bigger. I disagree. I think it's mostly Westminster obsessives gossiping about people they know.
If there have been stuff like rape covered up, now that is explosive.0 -
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Independents will soon have a majority in the House!YellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
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Surely Lewis must be suspended.
Obviously Con must be careful not to look as if playing party politics but would have thought mileage in attacking Corbyn for appointing Hopkins.
If Corbyn knew about Hopkins allegations then surely couldn't be right for him to then appoint Hopkins to Shadow Cabinet.0 -
But due to the seriousness of that allegation, we've heard a lot less about it. Unless there was clear evidence that pressure was applied by the Labour Party, it probably wouldn't register. It's not like anyone from the Labour Party is going to be put on trial for telling her not to go to the police.FrancisUrquhart said:
I mean it does really depend. I doubt most people outside of the Westminster bubble care about Fallon’s off colour joke or even Lewis alleged bottom pinch...rightly or wrongly in most towns it is a standard Saturday night out, and a pretty tame one at that.tlg86 said:
Yes, that's absolutely right. I started work in 2009 and was very busy so didn't have too much time for following politics. But what I took from it was that it hurt the Tories more because of the imagery of the duck house.FrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
People remember the duck house we didn’t pay for not the fake office we did.
John Pienaar said tonight that he thinks this scandal is bigger. I disagree. I think it's mostly Westminster obsessives gossiping about people they know.
If there have been stuff like rape covered up, now that is explosive.0 -
Dover is winnable for labour0
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Mrs uqurhart can handle herself. I am not excusing it, I am saying that I don’t think people see it as anything different from the sort of stuff that goes on in a spoons on a Saturday night in doncaster. It isn’t something alien to hear somebody make a sexist joke.TwistedFireStopper said:
If Lewis pinched my wife's arse, he'd be getting her size 3 stiletto straight in his balls. Would it not bother you if it was your wife or daughter getting pawed by these tossers?FrancisUrquhart said:
I mean it does really depend. I doubt most people outside of the Westminster bubble care about Fallon’s off colour joke or even Lewis alleged bottom pinch...rightly or wrongly in most towns it is a standard Saturday night out.tlg86 said:
Yes, that's absolutely right. I started work in 2009 and was very busy so didn't have too much time for following politics. But what I took from it was that it hurt the Tories more because of the imagery of the duck house.FrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
People remember the duck house we didn’t pay for not the fake office we did.
John Pienaar said tonight that he thinks this scandal is bigger. I disagree. I think it's mostly Westminster obsessives gossiping about people they know.
If there have been stuff like rape covered up, now that is explosive.
Expenses was explosive because it was a wtf these people claim for duck houses when I can’t even afford a house.0 -
I doubt Con would hold Elphicke's Dover seat in a by-election.
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One thing is also worth mentioning it wasn’t that long ago we had the trial of Nigel Evans, who of course was found innocent.0
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As Jess Phillips said about Birmingham...FrancisUrquhart said:
I mean it does really depend. I doubt most people outside of the Westminster bubble care about Fallon’s off colour joke or even Lewis alleged bottom pinch...rightly or wrongly in most towns it is a standard Saturday night out, and a pretty tame one at that.tlg86 said:
Yes, that's absolutely right. I started work in 2009 and was very busy so didn't have too much time for following politics. But what I took from it was that it hurt the Tories more because of the imagery of the duck house.FrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
People remember the duck house we didn’t pay for not the fake office we did.
John Pienaar said tonight that he thinks this scandal is bigger. I disagree. I think it's mostly Westminster obsessives gossiping about people they know.
If there have been stuff like rape covered up, now that is explosive.0 -
Indeed, that hasn't been mentioned at all during this and it should.FrancisUrquhart said:One thing is also worth mentioning it wasn’t that long ago we had the trial of Nigel Evans, who of course was found innocent.
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@MrHarryCole: Pal of Elphicke tells me he insists he has done nothing wrong. I get feeling the new chief whip is a bit more stick than sharpened carrot.0
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To be honest, if some MPs are too thick to have learned the lesson from the expenses scandal, then they deserve all they get. On the other hand, I expect the people we elect to Parliament to behave a little bit better than a pissed up lad on a night out on the town.FrancisUrquhart said:
Mrs uqurhart can handle herself. I am not excusing it, I am saying that I don’t think people see it as anything different from the sort of stuff that goes on in a spoons on a Saturday night in doncaster. It isn’t something alien to hear somebody make a sexist joke.TwistedFireStopper said:
If Lewis pinched my wife's arse, he'd be getting her size 3 stiletto straight in his balls. Would it not bother you if it was your wife or daughter getting pawed by these tossers?FrancisUrquhart said:
I mean it does really depend. I doubt most people outside of the Westminster bubble care about Fallon’s off colour joke or even Lewis alleged bottom pinch...rightly or wrongly in most towns it is a standard Saturday night out.tlg86 said:
Yes, that's absolutely right. I started work in 2009 and was very busy so didn't have too much time for following politics. But what I took from it was that it hurt the Tories more because of the imagery of the duck house.FrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
People remember the duck house we didn’t pay for not the fake office we did.
John Pienaar said tonight that he thinks this scandal is bigger. I disagree. I think it's mostly Westminster obsessives gossiping about people they know.
If there have been stuff like rape covered up, now that is explosive.
Expenses was explosive because it was a wtf these people claim for duck houses when I can’t even afford a house.0 -
This could be heading for a GE and if so I would expect Brexit to fail
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Why should it be mentioned?tlg86 said:
Indeed, that hasn't been mentioned at all during this and it should.FrancisUrquhart said:One thing is also worth mentioning it wasn’t that long ago we had the trial of Nigel Evans, who of course was found innocent.
Some people will be accused and will be totally innocent of all charges, sadly their reputation will probably still be tarnished. That shouldn't allow us to let any tosspot MP who can't keep his hands to himself- or worse- to try and get off the hook. MPs are all under a cloud due to the actions of many of their number over decades.
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I called it first.Big_G_NorthWales said:This could be heading for a GE and if so I would expect Brexit to fail
And you heard it here first
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Maybe there is a God after all ......Big_G_NorthWales said:This could be heading for a GE and if so I would expect Brexit to fail
And you heard it here first
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Modernising institutions is not a cure all for this. This runs through all society and not just in the UKTwistedFireStopper said:
Why should it be mentioned?tlg86 said:
Indeed, that hasn't been mentioned at all during this and it should.FrancisUrquhart said:One thing is also worth mentioning it wasn’t that long ago we had the trial of Nigel Evans, who of course was found innocent.
Some people will be accused and will be totally innocent of all charges, sadly their reputation will probably still be tarnished. That shouldn't allow us to let any tosspot MP who can't keep his hands to himself- or worse- to try and get off the hook. MPs are all under a cloud due to the actions of many of their number over decades.
Parliament absolutely needs to be modernised.0 -
There always has been a GodBeverley_C said:
Maybe there is a God after all ......Big_G_NorthWales said:This could be heading for a GE and if so I would expect Brexit to fail
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Bow to your earlier observation TSE but second then but not accepting PM Corbyn as a givenTheScreamingEagles said:
I called it first.Big_G_NorthWales said:This could be heading for a GE and if so I would expect Brexit to fail
And you heard it here first
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/9263633229492101120 -
It just didn't feel like it.Big_G_NorthWales said:There always has been a God
But now most people have voted for him to exist, it's all good...0 -
I’m beginning to think like yourself that this could lead to a GE.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Tories have done the right thing in the circumstances though, re the Elphicke allegation.0 -
Spare a thought for David Herdson.
Things happening on Friday nights doesn't help him write his Saturday morning thread.
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I have a pretty low opinion of mps in general, there are plenty of thickies among their ranks.TwistedFireStopper said:
To be honest, if some MPs are too thick to have learned the lesson from the expenses scandal, then they deserve all they get. On the other hand, I expect the people we elect to Parliament to behave a little bit better than a pissed up lad on a night out on the town.FrancisUrquhart said:
Mrs uqurhart can handle herself. I am not excusing it, I am saying that I don’t think people see it as anything different from the sort of stuff that goes on in a spoons on a Saturday night in doncaster. It isn’t something alien to hear somebody make a sexist joke.TwistedFireStopper said:
If Lewis pinched my wife's arse, he'd be getting her size 3 stiletto straight in his balls. Would it not bother you if it was your wife or daughter getting pawed by these tossers?FrancisUrquhart said:
I mean it does really depend. I doubt most people outside of the Westminster bubble care about Fallon’s off colour joke or even Lewis alleged bottom pinch...rightly or wrongly in most towns it is a standard Saturday night out.tlg86 said:
Yes, that's absolutely right. I started work in 2009 and was very busy so didn't have too much time for following politics. But what I took from it was that it hurt the Tories more because of the imagery of the duck house.FrancisUrquhart said:
Weeks and weeks...and then it would be revisited from time to time for at least a year after. My fear is that like expenses really serious cases will get lumped together with stuff like inappropriate comments and all will be tarred and feathered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone recall how long the expenses scandal continued forBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think this will just run and run sadly. There are no winners in all of thisYellowSubmarine said:So is Lewis having the Whip suspended ? And if not why not after the previous two cases ? This is what happens when you reverse the presumption of innocence , abandon due process, conduct investigations in public and ask NGOs to undertake semi judicial investigations of private behaviour. This will run and run until we get bored.
People remember the duck house we didn’t pay for not the fake office we did.
John Pienaar said tonight that he thinks this scandal is bigger. I disagree. I think it's mostly Westminster obsessives gossiping about people they know.
If there have been stuff like rape covered up, now that is explosive.
Expenses was explosive because it was a wtf these people claim for duck houses when I can’t even afford a house.0 -
Are the voters in posh places like Warwick & Leamington really going to vote for Corbyn (and McDonnell) when he has a chance of actually becoming PM? Last time no-one thought he had a chance, including most Labour canvassers.Big_G_NorthWales said:This could be heading for a GE and if so I would expect Brexit to fail
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We need a Government of national unityThe_Apocalypse said:
I’m beginning to think like yourself that this could lead to a GE.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Tories have done the right thing in the circumstances though, re the Elphicke allegation.0 -
I think we need to get rid of all the bullshit in Westminster, and I say this as a monarchist and lover of all the pomp and ceremony and traditions that that entails.
Parliament needs to be purely a place for lawmaking and government. Forget the billions needed to refurb the place, our MPs don't deserve it. Give them a purpose built building without the bars and listed architecture, they don't need it. Have a Premier Inn standard accommodation block next to it. Turn Westminster into something for the nation to enjoy and let the politicians get on with what we pay them to do.0 -
I've sent you a PM.TwistedFireStopper said:
Why should it be mentioned?tlg86 said:
Indeed, that hasn't been mentioned at all during this and it should.FrancisUrquhart said:One thing is also worth mentioning it wasn’t that long ago we had the trial of Nigel Evans, who of course was found innocent.
Some people will be accused and will be totally innocent of all charges, sadly their reputation will probably still be tarnished. That shouldn't allow us to let any tosspot MP who can't keep his hands to himself- or worse- to try and get off the hook. MPs are all under a cloud due to the actions of many of their number over decades.
Parliament absolutely needs to be modernised.0 -
I am not buying PM Corbyn at this stage. Everything is too unstable to be sure of anythingAndyJS said:
Are the voters in posh places like Warwick & Leamington really going to vote for Corbyn and McDonnell when he has a chance of actually becoming PM? Last time no-one thought he had a chance, including most Labour canvassers.Big_G_NorthWales said:This could be heading for a GE and if so I would expect Brexit to fail
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Re a GE, need to bear in mind how long it takes for cases to come to Court.
Even if people are charged, delay until gets to Court, then MP must be convicted, then Govt must lose by-election (which itself could be delayed 6 months).
Seems extremely unlikely Govt would lose its majority within next 18 months, and still highly unlikely within 24 months.0 -
No dementia tax this time round.AndyJS said:
Are the voters in posh places like Warwick & Leamington really going to vote for Corbyn (and McDonnell) when he has a chance of actually becoming PM? Last time no-one thought he had a chance, including most Labour canvassers.Big_G_NorthWales said:This could be heading for a GE and if so I would expect Brexit to fail
And you heard it here first
Phil is going to have to come up with some middle class goodies in the budget now mind ! Return of MIRAS 8)0 -
Corbyn on Celebrity Gogglebox on C4 now0
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Thanet South & Dover in the pipeline it looks like for the moment.MikeL said:Re a GE, need to bear in mind how long it takes for cases to come to Court.
Even if people are charged, delay until gets to Court, then MP must be convicted, then Govt must lose by-election (which itself could be delayed 6 months).
Seems extremely unlikely Govt would lose its majority within next 18 months, and still highly unlikely within 24 months.0 -
Mirror front page leading with story about a jockey not a politician.
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and time to turn the channel over....HYUFD said:Corbyn on Celebrity Gogglebox on C4 now
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The whole point of the past few months has been to demonstrate that the country is divided down the middle and we have a polarisation of two extremes holding all of the seats. We may need it but a government of national unity is not very likely.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We need a Government of national unityThe_Apocalypse said:
I’m beginning to think like yourself that this could lead to a GE.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Tories have done the right thing in the circumstances though, re the Elphicke allegation.0 -
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And of course there maybe labour or other parties involved in by elections.MikeL said:Re a GE, need to bear in mind how long it takes for cases to come to Court.
Even if people are charged, delay until gets to Court, then MP must be convicted, then Govt must lose by-election (which itself could be delayed 6 months).
Seems extremely unlikely Govt would lose its majority within next 18 months, and still highly unlikely within 24 months.
What all this is doing for future investment in the Country heaven only knows0 -
The briefing against Brandon Lewis looks bad.0
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Yes, given it was mainly students and academics from Warwick University who won the seat for Labour last time. (I was once chairman of the Tory Association there and stood as a Tory council candidate in Leamington but the student vote was turning the seat Labour either then, only Warwick kept the Tories in the game).AndyJS said:
Are the voters in posh places like Warwick & Leamington really going to vote for Corbyn (and McDonnell) when he has a chance of actually becoming PM? Last time no-one thought he had a chance, including most Labour canvassers.Big_G_NorthWales said:This could be heading for a GE and if so I would expect Brexit to fail
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Or maybe just a government?Big_G_NorthWales said:
We need a Government of national unityThe_Apocalypse said:
I’m beginning to think like yourself that this could lead to a GE.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Tories have done the right thing in the circumstances though, re the Elphicke allegation.
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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/926529983056695297felix said:The whole point of the past few months has been to demonstrate that the country is divided down the middle and we have a polarisation of two extremes holding all of the seats. We may need it but a government of national unity is not very likely.
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If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.0
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Actually 2 nouns : Liberal Democrat.Beverley_C said:
Or maybe just a government?Big_G_NorthWales said:
We need a Government of national unityThe_Apocalypse said:
I’m beginning to think like yourself that this could lead to a GE.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Tories have done the right thing in the circumstances though, re the Elphicke allegation.
What is the collective noun for a bunch of misfits?0 -
Bloody hell, go out for a couple of beers and all of a sudden there’s two new named MPs in trouble. Sunday could well be a bloodbath.0
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Firstly, being an MP is not an ordinary job. An 'ordinary' job, even at the pay a backbencher gets, does not involve the public pressure and attention that being an MP gets (see recent events), and involves two very different workplaces, often widely distributed: Westminster and the constituency.TwistedFireStopper said:I think we need to get rid of all the bullshit in Westminster, and I say this as a monarchist and lover of all the pomp and ceremony and traditions that that entails.
Parliament needs to be purely a place for lawmaking and government. Forget the billions needed to refurb the place, our MPs don't deserve it. Give them a purpose built building without the bars and listed architecture, they don't need it. Have a Premier Inn standard accommodation block next to it. Turn Westminster into something for the nation to enjoy and let the politicians get on with what we pay them to do.
Secondly, it can be argued that MPs do get on and do what we pay them to do. The country works. Yes, it could be better (if only we could agree on what 'better' meant), but neither are we a failure.
Finally, does any major country have a political system and politicians that work in your eyes?0 -
Bunch.Beverley_C said:
Or maybe just a government?Big_G_NorthWales said:
We need a Government of national unityThe_Apocalypse said:
I’m beginning to think like yourself that this could lead to a GE.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Tories have done the right thing in the circumstances though, re the Elphicke allegation.
What is the collective noun for a bunch of misfits?0 -
+1JosiasJessop said:
Firstly, being an MP is not an ordinary job. An 'ordinary' job, even at the pay a backbencher gets, does not involve the public pressure and attention that being an MP gets (see recent events), and involves two very different workplaces, often widely distributed: Westminster and the constituency.TwistedFireStopper said:I think we need to get rid of all the bullshit in Westminster, and I say this as a monarchist and lover of all the pomp and ceremony and traditions that that entails.
Parliament needs to be purely a place for lawmaking and government. Forget the billions needed to refurb the place, our MPs don't deserve it. Give them a purpose built building without the bars and listed architecture, they don't need it. Have a Premier Inn standard accommodation block next to it. Turn Westminster into something for the nation to enjoy and let the politicians get on with what we pay them to do.
Secondly, it can be argued that MPs do get on and do what we pay them to do. The country works. Yes, it could be better (if only we could agree on what 'better' meant), but neither are we a failure.
Finally, does any major country have a political system and politicians that work in your eyes?0 -
It should be noted that there have been rumours and allegations of dubious events around women (often young girls) in motorsport, particularly at junior levels.dr_spyn said:Mirror front page leading with story about a jockey not a politician.
http s://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/9265621210134487110 -
I know and agreefelix said:
The whole point of the past few months has been to demonstrate that the country is divided down the middle and we have a polarisation of two extremes holding all of the seats. We may need it but a government of national unity is not very likely.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We need a Government of national unityThe_Apocalypse said:
I’m beginning to think like yourself that this could lead to a GE.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Tories have done the right thing in the circumstances though, re the Elphicke allegation.0 -
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
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No.MikeL said:Re a GE, need to bear in mind how long it takes for cases to come to Court.
Even if people are charged, delay until gets to Court, then MP must be convicted, then Govt must lose by-election (which itself could be delayed 6 months).
Seems extremely unlikely Govt would lose its majority within next 18 months, and still highly unlikely within 24 months.
The Court of Public Opinion does not worry too much about accuracy or conviction0 -
AV is a good topic regardless of the current crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
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No, given there are plenty of allegations about Labour MPs too, Hopkins, Lewis etc.TheScreamingEagles said:
I called it first.Big_G_NorthWales said:This could be heading for a GE and if so I would expect Brexit to fail
And you heard it here first
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/926363322949210112
Plus of course 35% of 2015 Labour voters voted Leave and 20% of 2015 UKIP voters voted for Corbyn, he is not going to reverse Brexit and risk breaking his June coalition, he knows most Remainers will vote for him anyway given the alternative is the Brexit backing Tories.
He is also still committed to taking the UK out of the single market and ending free movement, he just will support a slightly longer transition period than the Tories would until any FTA is signed.
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Nothing to do with Andrea Leadsom thenTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It's really not out of the question that CON could lose enough MP's over this sex scandal to make losing a no confidence vote a real possibility and force a general election next year?0
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Fortunately the rule of law does.Beverley_C said:
No.MikeL said:Re a GE, need to bear in mind how long it takes for cases to come to Court.
Even if people are charged, delay until gets to Court, then MP must be convicted, then Govt must lose by-election (which itself could be delayed 6 months).
Seems extremely unlikely Govt would lose its majority within next 18 months, and still highly unlikely within 24 months.
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Nah, I shall always be grateful to IDS. I called that resignation right while all the MSM commentators were wiffling about Europe (which isn't to deny that there wasn't a European element but it wasn't first and foremost).TheScreamingEagles said:Spare a thought for David Herdson.
Things happening on Friday nights doesn't help him write his Saturday morning thread.
IDS is in a particular circle of hell for resigning at 9pm on a Friday night
However, I'm halfway through tomorrow's piece and it'll need something bigger than that which has already happened to happen for me to start again.0 -
You can still have access to the single market with a FTA and end free movement and replace it with a points system, you are just not members of the single market.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/926529983056695297felix said:The whole point of the past few months has been to demonstrate that the country is divided down the middle and we have a polarisation of two extremes holding all of the seats. We may need it but a government of national unity is not very likely.
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My piece opens with a line about bikinis.RobD said:
AV is a good topic regardless of the current crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
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So it is not a "Parliament" then?david_herdson said:
Bunch.Beverley_C said:
Or maybe just a government?Big_G_NorthWales said:
We need a Government of national unityThe_Apocalypse said:
I’m beginning to think like yourself that this could lead to a GE.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Tories have done the right thing in the circumstances though, re the Elphicke allegation.
What is the collective noun for a bunch of misfits?
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The Telegraph were expecting 12 MP's to fall, the way we are going this weekend could see the figure exceeded.Sandpit said:Bloody hell, go out for a couple of beers and all of a sudden there’s two new named MPs in trouble. Sunday could well be a bloodbath.
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I'm not atoll sure about that?TheScreamingEagles said:
My piece opens with a line about bikinis.RobD said:
AV is a good topic regardless of the current crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Are your bikinis as bright as your suits and shirts?TheScreamingEagles said:
My piece opens with a line about bikinis.RobD said:
AV is a good topic regardless of the current crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Whatever the allegations and whatever their merits, tweets like this do not inspire confidence in the ability of the newly anointed Chief Whip:
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How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Only if they're misfitted owls.Beverley_C said:
So it is not a "Parliament" then?david_herdson said:
Bunch.Beverley_C said:
Or maybe just a government?Big_G_NorthWales said:
We need a Government of national unityThe_Apocalypse said:
I’m beginning to think like yourself that this could lead to a GE.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Tories have done the right thing in the circumstances though, re the Elphicke allegation.
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Anything is possible - as I have said before I do not bet but surely there must be lots of betting opportunities in all thisGIN1138 said:It's really not out of the question that CON could lose enough MP's over this sex scandal to make losing a no confidence vote a real possibility and force a general election next year?
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Election law does not concern itself with voters' opinions. If an election is held then the Court of Public Opinion is the one parties need to worry about.felix said:
Fortunately the rule of law does.Beverley_C said:
No.MikeL said:Re a GE, need to bear in mind how long it takes for cases to come to Court.
Even if people are charged, delay until gets to Court, then MP must be convicted, then Govt must lose by-election (which itself could be delayed 6 months).
Seems extremely unlikely Govt would lose its majority within next 18 months, and still highly unlikely within 24 months.
The Court of Public Opinion does not worry too much about accuracy or conviction
The expenses scandal tarnished the reputation of all MPs, yet only a handful were convicted of anything0 -
Somewhat more serious than the, denied, lewd comments to Leadsome allegation.Scott_P said:0 -
I'm sure he'll coral the information in the rest of the piece.david_herdson said:
I'm not atoll sure about that?TheScreamingEagles said:
My piece opens with a line about bikinis.RobD said:
AV is a good topic regardless of the current crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Complaint is raised to the Tory party.Sandpit said:
How can you be suspended for something that’s reported as having been referred to the police, yet not be aware of the nature of the allegation?FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory Party pass it on to the police.
Police yet to contact Mr Elphicke.0 -
A person recently in the headlines is turning out to be a serial groper.
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My suits and shirts are very sober.Beverley_C said:
Are your bikinis as bright as your suits and shirts?TheScreamingEagles said:
My piece opens with a line about bikinis.RobD said:
AV is a good topic regardless of the current crisis.TheScreamingEagles said:
Could be worse, you could be writing Sunday morning's thread.david_herdson said:If MPs could avoid being suspended this evening, it would be greatly appreciated.
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