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kyf_100 said:
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.
As I said, they are dinosaurs. It depends on how it was done. Did he attempt to do that? (make it all about him?) There are plenty of Feminists who would berate him if he didn't. But there are plenty more who would offer him support and solidarity.
After all, he was also assaulted by a man.0 -
I haven't been single for a while, so no idea what sort of behaviour is acceptable in nightclubs. Suspect not quite the same as was in the late 90s though !Sunil_Prasannan said:
Don't look at me! I'm still a virgin at 41! I haven't even groped anybody! There: I said it!HYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
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Please not BorisYellowSubmarine said:McVey joins Davidson in suggesting there will be multiple resignations.
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Everyone is waiting for/expecting Boris to be named...Pulpstar said:
Please not BorisYellowSubmarine said:McVey joins Davidson in suggesting there will be multiple resignations.
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I have no wish to make it party political. I would feel and say the same if the rape allegation were made about the Tories, the Lib Dems or any other party.Monksfield said:
I would be careful of making this party political. Because from what various people have been saying, harrassment doesn't restrict itself to particular political beliefs. Nor is it unique to politics.Cyclefree said:
We have no idea who the alleged rapist was nor whether he continues to play a role in the party. Nor do we know who it was who tried to cover the matter up and what role, if any, they are currently playing in the party. Lots of Labour women have come out to criticise the behaviour of their party re misogyny but it is largely being ignored. It just feels - and I hope I am wrong about this - that they are seeking to bury the story again or hope that it goes away with all the focus being on randy Cabinet politicians.oxfordsimon said:
I agree that the current situation is topsy-turvy.Cyclefree said:
I don't think that it how it will be seen. Labour seems to be doing its level best to ignore the rape allegation. And, yet, to me anyway, that seems to me to be far worse. A political party puts pressure on the victim of a serious crime not to report it to save her career and their blushes. A party which wants to be in government, which is forever proclaiming its belief in womens' rights, unlike the nasty party opposite, which wants to be in charge of making the law behaves like that to a victim and has such a contemptuous attitude to the law...... well, I find it appalling.oxfordsimon said:
I did wonder whether Fallon quit to make the point that the Government is taking steps and Labour is just having another talking shop.Cyclefree said:
If that were my daughter it happened to, I would be incandescent with fury.
Meanwhile everyone's obsessing about whose knees were touched .......
Labour should be being torn apart by the media, twitter, everyone - and there is precious little noise about their horrific actions. I don't care that it was under the previous leadership - the current shower have shown themselves to be even worse when it comes to tackling difficult internal issues.
Parties which put themselves forward as possible governments have a special responsibility not to be seen to be obstructing justice or avoiding the law.
Rape is a very serious crime and always has been and is much worse than drunken fumblings. And yet it is being ignored.......0 -
Yep. Today I posted a tweet which was about a man’s experiences of sexual assault, drawing attention to what I believed were very problematic responses to his story. I think he was very brave in coming out and detailing his experiences.dixiedean said:kyf_100 said:
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.
As I said, they are dinosaurs. It depends on how it was done. Did he attempt to do that? (make it all about him?) There are plenty of Feminists who would berate him if he didn't. But there are plenty more who would offer him support and solidarity.
After all, he was also assaulted by a man.
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Defence secretary is surely one of the few positions that Remain/Leave is largely irrelevant. Firstly it's largely apolitical and about logistics and moral - neither party, even Corbyn, is proposing huge cuts or spending increases- and with the multitude of other problems pressing on spending that's not going to change short of a threatening war. It's about getting the most out of what the treasury gives you, avoiding screw-ups and ensuring soldiers feel respected and valued. Secondly, even the most hardened Brexiteers aen't suggesting we tear up our security arrangements with the EU - and nor are they. Even in the horror of a no deal there'll be a security agreement. She may be a bit of an ultra - and I say this as a hardcore remainer - but it may work in her favour. Put someone in place who reassures the more bonkers Brexiteers without the offensive liabilities of Brexit's chief cheerleaders.williamglenn said:
Mourdant would change the former Remain/Leave balance on the cabinet committees.MJW said:On Defence Sec, surely it's got to be Mordaunt - she's vaguely capable (not that it seems to matter these days), has the respect of forces having served and the optics are too good. Another woman breaking up the boys club, and one that's relatively well known having done reality TV.
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Indeed, there was far more support for the gentleman who had been assaulted than negativity - but I was shocked that there were any accusations at all from someone I used to think quite sensible that he was hijacking a "women only" hashtag when it seemed clear the man in question had been brave in detailing his experience of sexual abuse. It is indeed all about solidarity, rather than "othering" people based on their race, skin colour, et cetera.The_Apocalypse said:
Yep. Today I posted a tweet which was about a man’s experiences of sexual assault, drawing attention to what I believed were very problematic responses to his story. I think he was very brave in coming out and detailing his experiences.dixiedean said:kyf_100 said:
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.
As I said, they are dinosaurs. It depends on how it was done. Did he attempt to do that? (make it all about him?) There are plenty of Feminists who would berate him if he didn't. But there are plenty more who would offer him support and solidarity.
After all, he was also assaulted by a man.0 -
That all makes sense but I was thinking of the impact of replacing Fallon with a Brexiteer here:MJW said:
Defence secretary is surely one of the few positions that Remain/Leave is largely irrelevant. Firstly it's largely apolitical and about logistics and moral - neither party, even Corbyn, is proposing huge cuts or spending increases- and with the multitude of other problems pressing on spending that's not going to change short of a threatening war. It's about getting the most out of what the treasury gives you, avoiding screw-ups and ensuring soldiers feel respected and valued. Secondly, even the most hardened Brexiteers aen't suggesting we tear up our security arrangements with the EU - and nor are they. Even in the horror of a no deal there'll be a security agreement. She may be a bit of an ultra - and I say this as a hardcore remainer - but it may work in her favour. Put someone in place who reassures the more bonkers Brexiteers without the offensive liabilities of Brexit's chief cheerleaders.williamglenn said:
Mourdant would change the former Remain/Leave balance on the cabinet committees.MJW said:On Defence Sec, surely it's got to be Mordaunt - she's vaguely capable (not that it seems to matter these days), has the respect of forces having served and the optics are too good. Another woman breaking up the boys club, and one that's relatively well known having done reality TV.
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I agree.dixiedean said:
At the risk of Mansplaining, I second that. Boorish behaviour (at best), has been tolerated (at best) and celebrated (at worst) for far too long.The_Apocalypse said:I think the debate on BBC Newsnight is pretty good, and much needed.
Hope Everton pick up btw. Sunday was a dreadful display.0 -
It is about entitlement after all. There are also a number of Intersectional Feminists, who would call out female bosses who prey on young male interns, seeing it rather as a class and power dynamic rather than a gender based one.dixiedean said:kyf_100 said:
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.
As I said, they are dinosaurs. It depends on how it was done. Did he attempt to do that? (make it all about him?) There are plenty of Feminists who would berate him if he didn't. But there are plenty more who would offer him support and solidarity.
After all, he was also assaulted by a man.0 -
On an entirely different issue I had the irrelevent, but possibly original, thought that there's a region called Galicia in Spain and a region called Galicia in Eastern Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Spain)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Eastern_Europe)0 -
Good to hear that there will be an investigation. But that official may have obstructed justice. He or she should not be working for your party.NickPalmer said:
Quite. I'm including the official who is said to have urged her not to raise it when I say that some people in every party behave atrociously. It's not currently alleged that more than one person urged her to keep it quiet - but let's see what the investigations produce.Nigelb said:
As opposed to several years later, after initially trying to cover it up ?
In my job I sometimes came across allegations of sexual behaviour which could be criminal. The two worst were a possible case of child pornography and an allegation of an attempted gay rape (outside work) of an employee who had not come out. We always involved the police. How hard was it for a party official to understand this?0 -
Fortunately I was in Australia this week. Don't begrudge you 3 points though!foxinsoxuk said:
I agree.dixiedean said:
At the risk of Mansplaining, I second that. Boorish behaviour (at best), has been tolerated (at best) and celebrated (at worst) for far too long.The_Apocalypse said:I think the debate on BBC Newsnight is pretty good, and much needed.
Hope Everton pick up btw. Sunday was a dreadful display.0 -
Claire Fox brilliant on Sky News paper review.0
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Agreed. I’m an intersectional feminist myself, and I would do that. My view (this is the view of other feminists too) is that men also lose out from a patriarchal system - as was noted in the Newsnight debate, there is still a stigma attached to men expressing their emotions which leads to issues like depression not being dealt with, and the awful suicide rates we see for men.dixiedean said:
It is about entitlement after all. There are also a number of Intersectional Feminists, who would call out female bosses who prey on young male interns, seeing it rather as a class and power dynamic rather than a gender based one.dixiedean said:kyf_100 said:
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.
As I said, they are dinosaurs. It depends on how it was done. Did he attempt to do that? (make it all about him?) There are plenty of Feminists who would berate him if he didn't. But there are plenty more who would offer him support and solidarity.
After all, he was also assaulted by a man.0 -
Use conkers to keep out spiders. They don’t like the smell.GIN1138 said:
That too...oxfordsimon said:
Spider removal?GIN1138 said:
But we are good at putting up shelves. And assembling Ikea furniture?tyson said:Nigelb said:
Hopefully women can suss some way of eliminating men in the future...we are just a bunch of useless fuckwits on the whole. Even metro sexual men who eat quinoa, and walk around with babies hanging from them just look odd. And then we have Nigel Farage......
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I consider myself a feminist. What is an intersectional feminist?The_Apocalypse said:
Agreed. I’m an intersectional feminist myself, and I would do that. My view (this is the view of other feminists too) is that men also lose out from a patriarchal system - as was noted in the Newsnight debate, there is still a stigma attached to men expressing their emotions which leads to issues like depression not being dealt with, and the awful suicide rates we see for men.dixiedean said:
It is about entitlement after all. There are also a number of Intersectional Feminists, who would call out female bosses who prey on young male interns, seeing it rather as a class and power dynamic rather than a gender based one.dixiedean said:kyf_100 said:
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.
As I said, they are dinosaurs. It depends on how it was done. Did he attempt to do that? (make it all about him?) There are plenty of Feminists who would berate him if he didn't. But there are plenty more who would offer him support and solidarity.
After all, he was also assaulted by a man.0 -
That's a deeply misleading statistic.Drutt said:
Five-sixths of UK trade is with the UK, of course. Only a sixth is exports.HYUFD said:
45% of UK trade is not covered by trade with the EU/EEA or any EU trade deal, indeed the EU does not have a trade deal with the UK's largest national trading partner, the USA, or the world's second largest economy, China.Stark_Dawning said:
Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty
Pick up anything around you. Pick up anything in your shopping bag. They will all contain products imported from abroad.
As a country, we have few raw materials. We import substantially more oil than we produce, ditto gas. (And while we should be encouraging shale gas, it is worth remembering that shale gas in the UK is unlikely to be economic unless gas prices climb to about $12/mcf. Spot LNG rates are currently around $7.) We have no copper or alumina ore. No iron ore. Our coal is uneconomic. We have no uranium.
The only way we can bring in the money for the imports our economy needs to function is through exports, and through having an open economy. Autarky is a well trodden path to poverty.0 -
Certainly can agree there.kyf_100 said:
Indeed, there was far more support for the gentleman who had been assaulted than negativity - but I was shocked that there were any accusations at all from someone I used to think quite sensible that he was hijacking a "women only" hashtag when it seemed clear the man in question had been brave in detailing his experience of sexual abuse. It is indeed all about solidarity, rather than "othering" people based on their race, skin colour, et cetera.The_Apocalypse said:
Yep. Today I posted a tweet which was about a man’s experiences of sexual assault, drawing attention to what I believed were very problematic responses to his story. I think he was very brave in coming out and detailing his experiences.dixiedean said:kyf_100 said:
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.
As I said, they are dinosaurs. It depends on how it was done. Did he attempt to do that? (make it all about him?) There are plenty of Feminists who would berate him if he didn't. But there are plenty more who would offer him support and solidarity.
After all, he was also assaulted by a man.0 -
We must be world leaders in the production of hot air and bullshit.rcs1000 said:
That's a deeply misleading statistic.Drutt said:
Five-sixths of UK trade is with the UK, of course. Only a sixth is exports.HYUFD said:
45% of UK trade is not covered by trade with the EU/EEA or any EU trade deal, indeed the EU does not have a trade deal with the UK's largest national trading partner, the USA, or the world's second largest economy, China.Stark_Dawning said:
Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty
Pick up anything around you. Pick up anything in your shopping bag. They will all contain products imported from abroad.
As a country, we have few raw materials. We import substantially more oil than we produce, ditto gas. (And while we should be encouraging shale gas, it is worth remembering that shale gas in the UK is unlikely to be economic unless gas prices climb to about $12/mcf. Spot LNG rates are currently around $7.) We have no copper or alumina ore. No iron ore. Our coal is uneconomic. We have no uranium.
The only way we can bring in the money for the imports our economy needs to function is through exports, and through having an open economy. Autarky is a well trodden path to poverty.0 -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IntersectionalityCyclefree said:
I consider myself a feminist. What is an intersectional feminist?The_Apocalypse said:
Agreed. I’m an intersectional feminist myself, and I would do that. My view (this is the view of other feminists too) is that men also lose out from a patriarchal system - as was noted in the Newsnight debate, there is still a stigma attached to men expressing their emotions which leads to issues like depression not being dealt with, and the awful suicide rates we see for men.dixiedean said:
It is about entitlement after all. There are also a number of Intersectional Feminists, who would call out female bosses who prey on young male interns, seeing it rather as a class and power dynamic rather than a gender based one.dixiedean said:kyf_100 said:
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.
As I said, they are dinosaurs. It depends on how it was done. Did he attempt to do that? (make it all about him?) There are plenty of Feminists who would berate him if he didn't. But there are plenty more who would offer him support and solidarity.
After all, he was also assaulted by a man.
It’s not for everyone: I know that pretty much everyone on the right dislikes it (Christina Hoff Sommers is the kind of feminist that seems to be acceptable to Conservatives) and not everyone on the Left agrees with it either.0 -
Sadly, that's probably true.another_richard said:
We must be world leaders in the production of hot air and bullshit.rcs1000 said:
That's a deeply misleading statistic.Drutt said:
Five-sixths of UK trade is with the UK, of course. Only a sixth is exports.HYUFD said:
45% of UK trade is not covered by trade with the EU/EEA or any EU trade deal, indeed the EU does not have a trade deal with the UK's largest national trading partner, the USA, or the world's second largest economy, China.Stark_Dawning said:
Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty
Pick up anything around you. Pick up anything in your shopping bag. They will all contain products imported from abroad.
As a country, we have few raw materials. We import substantially more oil than we produce, ditto gas. (And while we should be encouraging shale gas, it is worth remembering that shale gas in the UK is unlikely to be economic unless gas prices climb to about $12/mcf. Spot LNG rates are currently around $7.) We have no copper or alumina ore. No iron ore. Our coal is uneconomic. We have no uranium.
The only way we can bring in the money for the imports our economy needs to function is through exports, and through having an open economy. Autarky is a well trodden path to poverty.0 -
I agree. Dysfunctional relationships in whatever form; between genders, races, religions, social classes are destructive of both parties, including the one that appears on top.The_Apocalypse said:
Agreed. I’m an intersectional feminist myself, and I would do that. My view (this is the view of other feminists too) is that men also lose out from a patriarchal system - as was noted in the Newsnight debate, there is still a stigma attached to men expressing their emotions which leads to issues like depression not being dealt with, and the awful suicide rates we see for men.dixiedean said:
It is about entitlement after all. There are also a number of Intersectional Feminists, who would call out female bosses who prey on young male interns, seeing it rather as a class and power dynamic rather than a gender based one.dixiedean said:kyf_100 said:
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.
As I said, they are dinosaurs. It depends on how it was done. Did he attempt to do that? (make it all about him?) There are plenty of Feminists who would berate him if he didn't. But there are plenty more who would offer him support and solidarity.
After all, he was also assaulted by a man.
A lot of mens health and social issues stem from patriarchal expectations, and particularly when those touch up against cognitive dissonance. Men who were brought up with values that do not fit the modern world, who expect to be the breadwinner but who lack employable skills for example.
I think this is the root of a lot of jihadi radicalism.0 -
Rachel Johnston asks if Sexit will derail Brexit ?0
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Question: if a female minister touches a male journalist’s knee - is that a resigning matter?0
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The touching issue hinges on intent and consent.alex. said:Question: if a female minister touches a male journalist’s knee - is that a resigning matter.
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Any idea on how far do sterling would need to fall for either the UK trade deficit or the UK tourism deficit to be eliminated ?rcs1000 said:
Sadly, that's probably true.another_richard said:
We must be world leaders in the production of hot air and bullshit.rcs1000 said:
That's a deeply misleading statistic.Drutt said:
Five-sixths of UK trade is with the UK, of course. Only a sixth is exports.HYUFD said:
45% of UK trade is not covered by trade with the EU/EEA or any EU trade deal, indeed the EU does not have a trade deal with the UK's largest national trading partner, the USA, or the world's second largest economy, China.Stark_Dawning said:
Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty
Pick up anything around you. Pick up anything in your shopping bag. They will all contain products imported from abroad.
As a country, we have few raw materials. We import substantially more oil than we produce, ditto gas. (And while we should be encouraging shale gas, it is worth remembering that shale gas in the UK is unlikely to be economic unless gas prices climb to about $12/mcf. Spot LNG rates are currently around $7.) We have no copper or alumina ore. No iron ore. Our coal is uneconomic. We have no uranium.
The only way we can bring in the money for the imports our economy needs to function is through exports, and through having an open economy. Autarky is a well trodden path to poverty.
I suspect that it may be easier to run a tourism surplus than a trade surplus now.0 -
Thank you.The_Apocalypse said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IntersectionalityCyclefree said:
I consider myself a feminist. What is an intersectional feminist?The_Apocalypse said:
Agreed. I’m an intersectional feminist myself, and I would do that. My view (this is the view of other feminists too) is that men also lose out from a patriarchal system - as was noted in the Newsnight debate, there is still a stigma attached to men expressing their emotions which leads to issues like depression not being dealt with, and the awful suicide rates we see for men.dixiedean said:
It is about entitlement after all. There are also a number of Intersectional Feminists, who would call out female bosses who prey on young male interns, seeing it rather as a class and power dynamic rather than a gender based one.dixiedean said:kyf_100 said:
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.
As I said, they are dinosaurs. It depends on how it was done. Did he attempt to do that? (make it all about him?) There are plenty of Feminists who would berate him if he didn't. But there are plenty more who would offer him support and solidarity.
After all, he was also assaulted by a man.
It’s not for everyone: I know that pretty much everyone on the right dislikes it (Christina Hoff Sommers is the kind of feminist that seems to be acceptable to Conservatives) and not everyone on the Left agrees with it either.0 -
Agreed. I’m an intersectional feminist myself, and I would do that. My view (this is the view of other feminists too) is that men also lose out from a patriarchal system - as was noted in the Newsnight debate, there is still a stigma attached to men expressing their emotions which leads to issues like depression not being dealt with, and the awful suicide rates we see for men.
I consider myself a feminist. What is an intersectional feminist?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality
It’s not for everyone: I know that pretty much everyone on the right dislikes it (Christina Hoff Sommers is the kind of feminist that seems to be acceptable to Conservatives) and not everyone on the Left agrees with it either.
@dixiedean:
Once again I am wary of mansplaining as Ms. Apocalypse,as a female mixed-race person can speak for themselves...but here is something, as I believe Ms Cyclefree, as a lawyer may find interesting.
https://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2014/04/kimberl-crenshaw-intersectionality-i-wanted-come-everyday-metaphor-anyone-could0 -
One thing June's election did do was eliminate the possibility of Sexit for the foreseeable future. The EU has enough to deal with with Brexit and Calexit.YellowSubmarine said:Rachel Johnston asks if Sexit will derail Brexit ?
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Yep, I totally agree. I also think it’s a contributory factor to the rise of the alt-right and the election of Trump as well.foxinsoxuk said:
I agree. Dysfunctional relationships in whatever form; between genders, races, religions, social classes are destructive of both parties, including the one that appears on top.The_Apocalypse said:
Agreed. I’m an intersectional feminist myself, and I would do that. My view (this is the view of other feminists too) is that men also lose out from a patriarchal system - as was noted in the Newsnight debate, there is still a stigma attached to men expressing their emotions which leads to issues like depression not being dealt with, and the awful suicide rates we see for men.dixiedean said:
It is about entitlement after all. There are also a number of Intersectional Feminists, who would call out female bosses who prey on young male interns, seeing it rather as a class and power dynamic rather than a gender based one.dixiedean said:kyf_100 said:
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.
As I said, they are dinosaurs. It depends on how it was done. Did he attempt to do that? (make it all about him?) There are plenty of Feminists who would berate him if he didn't. But there are plenty more who would offer him support and solidarity.
After all, he was also assaulted by a man.
A lot of mens health and social issues stem from patriarchal expectations, and particularly when those touch up against cognitive dissonance. Men who were brought up with values that do not fit the modern world, who expect to be the breadwinner but who lack employable skills for example.
I think this is the root of a lot of jihadi radicalism.0 -
Surely Catexit, or Catadios?HYUFD said:
One thing June's election did do was eliminate the possibility of Sexit for the foreseeable future. The EU has enough to deal with with Brexit and Calexit.YellowSubmarine said:Rachel Johnston asks if Sexit will derail Brexit ?
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I think tourism will play an important role in us balancing our books in the medium term.another_richard said:
Any idea on how far do sterling would need to fall for either the UK trade deficit or the UK tourism deficit to be eliminated ?rcs1000 said:
Sadly, that's probably true.another_richard said:
We must be world leaders in the production of hot air and bullshit.rcs1000 said:
That's a deeply misleading statistic.Drutt said:
Five-sixths of UK trade is with the UK, of course. Only a sixth is exports.HYUFD said:
45% of UK trade is not covered by trade with the EU/EEA or any EU trade deal, indeed the EU does not have a trade deal with the UK's largest national trading partner, the USA, or the world's second largest economy, China.Stark_Dawning said:
Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty
Pick up anything around you. Pick up anything in your shopping bag. They will all contain products imported from abroad.
As a country, we have few raw materials. We import substantially more oil than we produce, ditto gas. (And while we should be encouraging shale gas, it is worth remembering that shale gas in the UK is unlikely to be economic unless gas prices climb to about $12/mcf. Spot LNG rates are currently around $7.) We have no copper or alumina ore. No iron ore. Our coal is uneconomic. We have no uranium.
The only way we can bring in the money for the imports our economy needs to function is through exports, and through having an open economy. Autarky is a well trodden path to poverty.
I suspect that it may be easier to run a tourism surplus than a trade surplus now.
One thing I think that people have really missed is this: in the old days, because the world owed us more than we owed it, we could run a small trade deficit and it was OK. Now we owe the rest of the world more than they owe us, we need to run a trade surplus just to stand still.
And we're not running a trade surplus.0 -
Quite. Not to mention the use of alcohol and drugs and violence as a knee-jerk respose to any emotional difficulty encountered. This is far too often how men have been conditioned to behave. I know I have.The_Apocalypse said:
Agreed. I’m an intersectional feminist myself, and I would do that. My view (this is the view of other feminists too) is that men also lose out from a patriarchal system - as was noted in the Newsnight debate, there is still a stigma attached to men expressing their emotions which leads to issues like depression not being dealt with, and the awful suicide rates we see for men.dixiedean said:
It is about entitlement after all. There are also a number of Intersectional Feminists, who would call out female bosses who prey on young male interns, seeing it rather as a class and power dynamic rather than a gender based one.dixiedean said:kyf_100 said:
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.
As I said, they are dinosaurs. It depends on how it was done. Did he attempt to do that? (make it all about him?) There are plenty of Feminists who would berate him if he didn't. But there are plenty more who would offer him support and solidarity.
After all, he was also assaulted by a man.0 -
I disagree. The whole issue is complete nonsense. The issue, to the extent that it is an issue, is “abuse of power”. Essentially the question is whether somebody in a position of influence is allowed to proposition somebody who is subordinate to them and who might think that rejecting the proposition might be have negative consequences to themselves. Touching somebody in a non sexual place (such as their knee) is not sexual assault. It may be interpreted as a non-verbal proposition. But what is the difference between a verbal and a non-verbal proposition? Essentially nothing. If anything the former is more problematic because it is explicit. A non-verbal proposition can be rejected because it allows for face saving deniability on the part of the propositioned.foxinsoxuk said:
The touching issue hinges on intent and consent.alex. said:Question: if a female minister touches a male journalist’s knee - is that a resigning matter.
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@dixiedean That’s a very good article as well.0
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Looks like being a cold fish will be an ideal qualification for our male politicians in future. Can't help thinking the goldfish bowl that is Westminster is creating this unnecessary storm by itself while a rather more sanguine public look on bemused. .0
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It was your best.TheScreamingEagles said:Can you all forget about that thread I wrote a few weeks ago tipping Sir Michael Fallon as next Prime Minister.
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It is a resigning issue if the female journalist can't reassure the PM that there will not be other harassment complaints coming forward against her.alex. said:Question: if a female minister touches a male journalist’s knee - is that a resigning matter?
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There is a very large centre ground between being a cold fish and a sex pest, with lots of room for politicians of both genders. And no, Westminster is not creating this long overdue storm by itself; it is being created by the long-suffering victims of these arseholes. Frankly, they deserve all they get.Norm said:Looks like being a cold fish will be an ideal qualification for our male politicians in future. Can't help thinking the goldfish bowl that is Westminster is creating this unnecessary storm by itself while a rather more sanguine public look on bemused. .
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Have you not heard about Cornish Lithium?rcs1000 said:
That's a deeply misleading statistic.Drutt said:
Five-sixths of UK trade is with the UK, of course. Only a sixth is exports.HYUFD said:
45% of UK trade is not covered by trade with the EU/EEA or any EU trade deal, indeed the EU does not have a trade deal with the UK's largest national trading partner, the USA, or the world's second largest economy, China.Stark_Dawning said:
Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty
Pick up anything around you. Pick up anything in your shopping bag. They will all contain products imported from abroad.
As a country, we have few raw materials. We import substantially more oil than we produce, ditto gas. (And while we should be encouraging shale gas, it is worth remembering that shale gas in the UK is unlikely to be economic unless gas prices climb to about $12/mcf. Spot LNG rates are currently around $7.) We have no copper or alumina ore. No iron ore. Our coal is uneconomic. We have no uranium.
The only way we can bring in the money for the imports our economy needs to function is through exports, and through having an open economy. Autarky is a well trodden path to poverty.
See https://www.cornishlithium.com/
Lithium is needed for the batteries in all these new fangled electric cars the world is going to buy.0 -
Greg Clark has risen through the political ranks without trace - almost like May.
Should we be backing Greg Clark for next leader of the Conservative party? Note, not as PM.0 -
I suppose it’s given a whole new meaning to “safe pair of hands”.....there must be more to come & he’s decided to cauterise it.....did a link ever emerge to that claim about female Tory MPs meeting the PM?0
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Not that I could see.CarlottaVance said:I suppose it’s given a whole new meaning to “safe pair of hands”.....there must be more to come & he’s decided to cauterise it.....did a link ever emerge to that claim about female Tory MPs meeting the PM?
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I would be staggered if Cornish Lithium can be produced as cheaply as that from Sociedad Química y Minera de Chile.David_Evershed said:
Have you not heard about Cornish Lithium?rcs1000 said:
That's a deeply misleading statistic.Drutt said:
Five-sixths of UK trade is with the UK, of course. Only a sixth is exports.HYUFD said:
45% of UK trade is not covered by trade with the EU/EEA or any EU trade deal, indeed the EU does not have a trade deal with the UK's largest national trading partner, the USA, or the world's second largest economy, China.Stark_Dawning said:
Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty
Pick up anything around you. Pick up anything in your shopping bag. They will all contain products imported from abroad.
As a country, we have few raw materials. We import substantially more oil than we produce, ditto gas. (And while we should be encouraging shale gas, it is worth remembering that shale gas in the UK is unlikely to be economic unless gas prices climb to about $12/mcf. Spot LNG rates are currently around $7.) We have no copper or alumina ore. No iron ore. Our coal is uneconomic. We have no uranium.
The only way we can bring in the money for the imports our economy needs to function is through exports, and through having an open economy. Autarky is a well trodden path to poverty.
See https://www.cornishlithium.com/
Lithium is needed for the batteries in all these new fangled electric cars the world is going to buy.0 -
The Mail reckon it was the chief whip who told the PM there was more to come on Fallon. No mention of female MPs.CarlottaVance said:I suppose it’s given a whole new meaning to “safe pair of hands”.....there must be more to come & he’s decided to cauterise it.....did a link ever emerge to that claim about female Tory MPs meeting the PM?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5040353/Michael-Fallon-RESIGNS-Defence-Secretary.html0 -
Astros
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Almost certainly not - but North Sea oil production thrived for decades despite production being nearly an order of magnitude more expensive than say Saudi oil. I've no idea of the Cornish lithium economics, but commercial production doesn't seem impossible - and brines are relatively cheap to prospect.rcs1000 said:
I would be staggered if Cornish Lithium can be produced as cheaply as that from Sociedad Química y Minera de Chile.David_Evershed said:
Have you not heard about Cornish Lithium?rcs1000 said:
That's a deeply misleading statistic.Drutt said:
Five-sixths of UK trade is with the UK, of course. Only a sixth is exports.HYUFD said:
45% of UK trade is not covered by trade with the EU/EEA or any EU trade deal, indeed the EU does not have a trade deal with the UK's largest national trading partner, the USA, or the world's second largest economy, China.Stark_Dawning said:
Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty
Pick up anything around you. Pick up anything in your shopping bag. They will all contain products imported from abroad.
As a country, we have few raw materials. We import substantially more oil than we produce, ditto gas. (And while we should be encouraging shale gas, it is worth remembering that shale gas in the UK is unlikely to be economic unless gas prices climb to about $12/mcf. Spot LNG rates are currently around $7.) We have no copper or alumina ore. No iron ore. Our coal is uneconomic. We have no uranium.
The only way we can bring in the money for the imports our economy needs to function is through exports, and through having an open economy. Autarky is a well trodden path to poverty.
See https://www.cornishlithium.com/
Lithium is needed for the batteries in all these new fangled electric cars the world is going to buy.
The Uk is not entirely without exploitable mineral resources - Yorkshire potash is another example - but your larger point is nonetheless more or less valid.
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The photo caption writer can’t decide whether he jumped or was pushed:Sandpit said:
The Mail reckon it was the chief whip who told the PM there was more to come on Fallon. No mention of female MPs.CarlottaVance said:I suppose it’s given a whole new meaning to “safe pair of hands”.....there must be more to come & he’s decided to cauterise it.....did a link ever emerge to that claim about female Tory MPs meeting the PM?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5040353/Michael-Fallon-RESIGNS-Defence-Secretary.html
Sir Michael is shown entering Downing Street yesterday morning, hours before he was resign from his position0 -
I consider myself a feminist. What is an intersectional feminist?dixiedean said:
Agreed. I’m an intersectional feminist myself, and I would do that. My view (this is the view of other feminists too) is that men also lose out from a patriarchal system - as was noted in the Newsnight debate, there is still a stigma attached to men expressing their emotions which leads to issues like depression not being dealt with, and the awful suicide rates we see for men.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality
It’s not for everyone: I know that pretty much everyone on the right dislikes it (Christina Hoff Sommers is the kind of feminist that seems to be acceptable to Conservatives) and not everyone on the Left agrees with it either.
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It's not an unpersuasive theory, though it does seem somewhat inchoate, and appears to take an almost unremittingly negative view of the human condition (at least from the wikipedia article you link to).
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To fellow grammar pedants - especially those how get hot under the collar about American usages - we seem to have been obsessing over what is essentially random happenstance:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/nov/01/resistance-to-changes-in-grammar-is-futile-say-researchers0 -
Ha. Yes, the whole article reads a little ambiguously on that one. The Telegraph do the same, in that they’ll keep writin new versions of a piece as it develops, but as they fired all the sub-editors no-one ever reads through the whole piece for continuity before its published.CarlottaVance said:
The photo caption writer can’t decide whether he jumped or was pushed:Sandpit said:
The Mail reckon it was the chief whip who told the PM there was more to come on Fallon. No mention of female MPs.CarlottaVance said:I suppose it’s given a whole new meaning to “safe pair of hands”.....there must be more to come & he’s decided to cauterise it.....did a link ever emerge to that claim about female Tory MPs meeting the PM?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5040353/Michael-Fallon-RESIGNS-Defence-Secretary.html
Sir Michael is shown entering Downing Street yesterday morning, hours before he was resign from his position
On the substantive point, I’d say that if the whips went to see the PM and Fallon couldn’t deny the allegations - which were likely more serious than what’s in the public domain - it was pretty obvious to both PM and minister what was to come next. Fallon decided to send his letter first.0 -
Dr Johnson observed that any attempt to constrain or direct a language would be bound to failure (take note, Academie Francais) and a man might as well try to bind the sea in chains.....Nigelb said:To fellow grammar pedants - especially those how get hot under the collar about American usages - we seem to have been obsessing over what is essentially random happenstance:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/nov/01/resistance-to-changes-in-grammar-is-futile-say-researchers0 -
Wittgenstein made similar (and rather less pithy) observations about prescriptive word definitions.CarlottaVance said:
Dr Johnson observed that any attempt to constrain or direct a language would be bound to failure (take note, Academie Francais) and a man might as well try to bind the sea in chains.....Nigelb said:To fellow grammar pedants - especially those how get hot under the collar about American usages - we seem to have been obsessing over what is essentially random happenstance:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/nov/01/resistance-to-changes-in-grammar-is-futile-say-researchers
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Meanwhile.....
https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/925868911651848192
It gets better......
Two married Scottish MPs have left their wives after having affairs with a Westminster journalist, according to the Daily Mail.
Stewart Hosie, 53, and Angus MacNeil, 45, have allegedly each separated from their wife following a relationship with 36-year-old Serena Cowdy, who describes herself as a political journalist with Parliament's The House magazine.
The Scottish National Party MPs are said to have clashed over their rivalry for Miss Cowdy's affections.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/snps-stewart-hosie-and-angus-macneil-split-from-wives-over-alleg/0 -
Well, if the political class wants to be discarded wholesale by the electorate, it would be one way of going about it.YellowSubmarine said:Rachel Johnston asks if Sexit will derail Brexit ?
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Stupid and ill-advised, but no suggestion there was anything non-consensual or coerced, and the story’s 18 months old. Both men have paid with their marriages.CarlottaVance said:Meanwhile.....
ttps://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/925868911651848192
It gets better......
Two married Scottish MPs have left their wives after having affairs with a Westminster journalist, according to the Daily Mail.
Stewart Hosie, 53, and Angus MacNeil, 45, have allegedly each separated from their wife following a relationship with 36-year-old Serena Cowdy, who describes herself as a political journalist with Parliament's The House magazine.
The Scottish National Party MPs are said to have clashed over their rivalry for Miss Cowdy's affections.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/snps-stewart-hosie-and-angus-macneil-split-from-wives-over-alleg/0 -
“Stupid and ill advised” and “consensual” (and “furiously denied”) reasonably describes 90% or more of the “Tory spreadsheet”Sandpit said:
Stupid and ill-advised, but no suggestion there was anything non-consensual or coercedCarlottaVance said:Meanwhile.....
ttps://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/925868911651848192
It gets better......
Two married Scottish MPs have left their wives after having affairs with a Westminster journalist, according to the Daily Mail.
Stewart Hosie, 53, and Angus MacNeil, 45, have allegedly each separated from their wife following a relationship with 36-year-old Serena Cowdy, who describes herself as a political journalist with Parliament's The House magazine.
The Scottish National Party MPs are said to have clashed over their rivalry for Miss Cowdy's affections.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/snps-stewart-hosie-and-angus-macneil-split-from-wives-over-alleg/0 -
Which is why it’s a damp squib. Of much more interest at the moment are allegations of serial harassment and sexual assaults, and attempts by parties (all parties) and Parliament itself to cover up complaints rather than address them.CarlottaVance said:
“Stupid and ill advised” and “consensual” (and “furiously denied”) reasonably describes 90% or more of the “Tory spreadsheet”Sandpit said:
Stupid and ill-advised, but no suggestion there was anything non-consensual or coercedCarlottaVance said:Meanwhile.....
ttps://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/925868911651848192
It gets better......
Two married Scottish MPs have left their wives after having affairs with a Westminster journalist, according to the Daily Mail.
Stewart Hosie, 53, and Angus MacNeil, 45, have allegedly each separated from their wife following a relationship with 36-year-old Serena Cowdy, who describes herself as a political journalist with Parliament's The House magazine.
The Scottish National Party MPs are said to have clashed over their rivalry for Miss Cowdy's affections.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/snps-stewart-hosie-and-angus-macneil-split-from-wives-over-alleg/0 -
One very brave young lady. Hope she inspires others to come forward.
https://twitter.com/bexbailey/status/9257263727309496320 -
The 'damp squib' has already caused the Defence Secretary to resign.Sandpit said:
Which is why it’s a damp squib. Of much more interest at the moment are allegations of serial harassment and sexual assaults, and attempts by parties (all parties) and Parliament itself to cover up complaints rather than address them.CarlottaVance said:
“Stupid and ill advised” and “consensual” (and “furiously denied”) reasonably describes 90% or more of the “Tory spreadsheet”Sandpit said:
Stupid and ill-advised, but no suggestion there was anything non-consensual or coercedCarlottaVance said:Meanwhile.....
ttps://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/925868911651848192
It gets better......
Two married Scottish MPs have left their wives after having affairs with a Westminster journalist, according to the Daily Mail.
Stewart Hosie, 53, and Angus MacNeil, 45, have allegedly each separated from their wife following a relationship with 36-year-old Serena Cowdy, who describes herself as a political journalist with Parliament's The House magazine.
The Scottish National Party MPs are said to have clashed over their rivalry for Miss Cowdy's affections.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/snps-stewart-hosie-and-angus-macneil-split-from-wives-over-alleg/0 -
That wasn’t the spreadsheet. The whips clearly have something more serious on him which has yet to come out. He won’t have resigned for a clumsy pass at a journalist a decade and a half ago.logical_song said:
The 'damp squib' has already caused the Defence Secretary to resign.Sandpit said:
Which is why it’s a damp squib. Of much more interest at the moment are allegations of serial harassment and sexual assaults, and attempts by parties (all parties) and Parliament itself to cover up complaints rather than address them.CarlottaVance said:
“Stupid and ill advised” and “consensual” (and “furiously denied”) reasonably describes 90% or more of the “Tory spreadsheet”Sandpit said:
Stupid and ill-advised, but no suggestion there was anything non-consensual or coercedCarlottaVance said:Meanwhile.....
ttps://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/925868911651848192
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Two married Scottish MPs have left their wives after having affairs with a Westminster journalist, according to the Daily Mail.
Stewart Hosie, 53, and Angus MacNeil, 45, have allegedly each separated from their wife following a relationship with 36-year-old Serena Cowdy, who describes herself as a political journalist with Parliament's The House magazine.
The Scottish National Party MPs are said to have clashed over their rivalry for Miss Cowdy's affections.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/snps-stewart-hosie-and-angus-macneil-split-from-wives-over-alleg/0 -
And were re-elected in 2017!Sandpit said:
Stupid and ill-advised, but no suggestion there was anything non-consensual or coerced, and the story’s 18 months old. Both men have paid with their marriages.CarlottaVance said:Meanwhile.....
ttps://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/925868911651848192
It gets better......
Two married Scottish MPs have left their wives after having affairs with a Westminster journalist, according to the Daily Mail.
Stewart Hosie, 53, and Angus MacNeil, 45, have allegedly each separated from their wife following a relationship with 36-year-old Serena Cowdy, who describes herself as a political journalist with Parliament's The House magazine.
The Scottish National Party MPs are said to have clashed over their rivalry for Miss Cowdy's affections.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/snps-stewart-hosie-and-angus-macneil-split-from-wives-over-alleg/0 -
I just heard on radio that Priti Patel was a likely replacement for Michael Fallon. Her credentials being that she's a SHE and unlikely to have brushed anyone's knee with her hand.
Having a pro hanging defense secretary who believes the odd mistake isn't a problem should add to the gaity of this government.
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Grammar police editRoger said:I just heard on radio that Priti Patel was a likely replacement for Michael Fallon. Her credentials being that she's a SHE and unlikely to have brushed anyone's knee with her hand.
Having a pro hanging defense secretary who believes the odd mistake isn't a problem should add to the gaity of this government.
Time for Mrs Corbyn to get her Littlewoods catalogue out.
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GAIETYSquareRoot said:
Grammar police editRoger said:I just heard on radio that Priti Patel was a likely replacement for Michael Fallon. Her credentials being that she's a SHE and unlikely to have brushed anyone's knee with her hand.
Having a pro hanging defense secretary who believes the odd mistake isn't a problem should add to the gaity of this government.
Time for Mrs Corbyn to get her Littlewoods catalogue out.
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And I have never been friends with Stephen Crabb she added. Don't @ me.Scott_P said:0 -
Rumours have been circulating for sometime about er! extra curricular activities within the SNP in Holyrood. Nothing really interesting has come out due to the Omerta Rules the executive imposed on members, but it has been suspected that Hosie and others were reselected as they knew too much. There are too many in senior positions in the party, in Holyrood, Westminster and Councils who while very close and longstanding friends with the Leadership, are clearly not competent.Sandpit said:
Stupid and ill-advised, but no suggestion there was anything non-consensual or coerced, and the story’s 18 months old. Both men have paid with their marriages.CarlottaVance said:Meanwhile.....
ttps://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/925868911651848192
It gets better......
Two married Scottish MPs have left their wives after having affairs with a Westminster journalist, according to the Daily Mail.
Stewart Hosie, 53, and Angus MacNeil, 45, have allegedly each separated from their wife following a relationship with 36-year-old Serena Cowdy, who describes herself as a political journalist with Parliament's The House magazine.
The Scottish National Party MPs are said to have clashed over their rivalry for Miss Cowdy's affections.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/snps-stewart-hosie-and-angus-macneil-split-from-wives-over-alleg/0 -
Thanks. My dyslexia plays up in the morning!SquareRoot said:
Grammar police editRoger said:I just heard on radio that Priti Patel was a likely replacement for Michael Fallon. Her credentials being that she's a SHE and unlikely to have brushed anyone's knee with her hand.
Having a pro hanging defense secretary who believes the odd mistake isn't a problem should add to the gaity of this government.
Time for Mrs Corbyn to get her Littlewoods catalogue out.
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Indeed.rcs1000 said:
I think tourism will play an important role in us balancing our books in the medium term.another_richard said:
Any idea on how far do sterling would need to fall for either the UK trade deficit or the UK tourism deficit to be eliminated ?rcs1000 said:
Sadly, that's probably true.another_richard said:
We must be world leaders in the production of hot air and bullshit.rcs1000 said:
That's a deeply misleading statistic.Drutt said:
Five-sixths of UK trade is with the UK, of course. Only a sixth is exports.HYUFD said:
45% of UK trade is not covered by trade with the EU/EEA or any EU trade deal, indeed the EU does not have a trade deal with the UK's largest national trading partner, the USA, or the world's second largest economy, China.
Pick up anything around you. Pick up anything in your shopping bag. They will all contain products imported from abroad.
As a country, we have few raw materials. We import substantially more oil than we produce, ditto gas. (And while we should be encouraging shale gas, it is worth remembering that shale gas in the UK is unlikely to be economic unless gas prices climb to about $12/mcf. Spot LNG rates are currently around $7.) We have no copper or alumina ore. No iron ore. Our coal is uneconomic. We have no uranium.
The only way we can bring in the money for the imports our economy needs to function is through exports, and through having an open economy. Autarky is a well trodden path to poverty.
I suspect that it may be easier to run a tourism surplus than a trade surplus now.
One thing I think that people have really missed is this: in the old days, because the world owed us more than we owed it, we could run a small trade deficit and it was OK. Now we owe the rest of the world more than they owe us, we need to run a trade surplus just to stand still.
And we're not running a trade surplus.
Yet make any reference to the UK having to live within its means or the difference between wealth creation and wealth consumption and most people's eyes glaze over and some get pretty angry.
We've become a society which starts at the level of spending people think they deserve and thinks the source of that spending is someone else's problem.
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A majority of the country are pro hanging for murderRoger said:I just heard on radio that Priti Patel was a likely replacement for Michael Fallon. Her credentials being that she's a SHE and unlikely to have brushed anyone's knee with her hand.
Having a pro hanging defense secretary who believes the odd mistake isn't a problem should add to the gaity of this government.
Time for Mrs Corbyn to get her Littlewoods catalogue out.0
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