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TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/910949258001600512

comes as news she's at one with the country

she's been heckled across Germany

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/910949258001600512

comes as news she's at one with the country

she's been heckled across Germany

George Osborne got heckled, didn't stop the country wanting him in charge (of the economy.)

Plebians often do this to their betters.

philiph said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/910949258001600512

Pity for Germany, she is going on too long. That is not a brexit related point. As you go over eight years, towards ten and twelve, then the risk of damage from excessive tenure increases.

FDR says hello.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/910949258001600512

comes as news she's at one with the country

she's been heckled across Germany

George Osborne got heckled, didn't stop the country wanting him in charge (of the economy.)

Plebians often do this to their betters.

Is he still planning on going to conference, or has he realised he’s now about as popular as Mark Reckless?

TheScreamingEagles said:

philiph said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/910949258001600512

Pity for Germany, she is going on too long. That is not a brexit related point. As you go over eight years, towards ten and twelve, then the risk of damage from excessive tenure increases.

FDR says hello.

Bobby Mugabe waves back

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/910949258001600512

comes as news she's at one with the country

she's been heckled across Germany

George Osborne got heckled, didn't stop the country wanting him in charge (of the economy.)

Plebians often do this to their betters.

George who ?

Third greatest PM we never had, after Ken Clarke and Denis Healey.

welshowl said:

Yes though the sub headline "Milliarden fuer Griechenland", means " billions for Greece". All this ever closer union is going to mean Herr and Frau Schmidt dipping deep into the old wallet.

https://twitter.com/Simon_Nixon/status/910844156762841088

welshowl said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/910949258001600512

comes as news she's at one with the country

she's been heckled across Germany

George Osborne got heckled, didn't stop the country wanting him in charge (of the economy.)

Plebians often do this to their betters.

Is he still planning on going to conference, or has he realised he’s now about as popular as Mark Reckless?

Yes, and he's more popular than Mark Reckless.

I was in Birmingham in 2014, there were a few there who backed Leave, who wanted to stick a red hot poker up the arse of Mark Reckless.

George Osborne hasn't reached that level, yet.

Good to hear GO doesn't want to do an EdwardII on Mark Reckless. Reassuring- especially for Mark Reckless I'm sure.

When it comes to Mark Reckless I was quite restrained compared to a lot of Tories, which speaks volumes.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/910949258001600512

comes as news she's at one with the country

she's been heckled across Germany

George Osborne got heckled, didn't stop the country wanting him in charge (of the economy.)

Plebians often do this to their betters.

George who ?

Third greatest PM we never had, after Ken Clarke and Denis Healey.

he's just one above Oswald Mosley

welshowl said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

welshowl said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/910949258001600512

comes as news she's at one with the country

she's been heckled across Germany

George Osborne got heckled, didn't stop the country wanting him in charge (of the economy.)

Plebians often do this to their betters.

Is he still planning on going to conference, or has he realised he’s now about as popular as Mark Reckless?

Yes, and he's more popular than Mark Reckless.

I was in Birmingham in 2014, there were a few there who backed Leave, who wanted to stick a red hot poker up the arse of Mark Reckless.

George Osborne hasn't reached that level, yet.

Good to hear GO doesn't want to do an EdwardII on Mark Reckless. Reassuring- especially for Mark Reckless I'm sure.

When it comes to Mark Reckless I was quite restrained compared to a lot of Tories, which speaks volumes.

Well he's exiled here in Cardiff, though as far as I can see UKIP are pretty irrelevant here now and barring a revival as unlikely as Rubbertiti in Carry On Screaming are dead men walking electorally.

Reckless has left UKIP now.

MarkHopkins said:

welshowl said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

welshowl said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/910949258001600512

comes as news she's at one with the country

she's been heckled across Germany

George Osborne got heckled, didn't stop the country wanting him in charge (of the economy.)

Plebians often do this to their betters.

Is he still planning on going to conference, or has he realised he’s now about as popular as Mark Reckless?

Yes, and he's more popular than Mark Reckless.

I was in Birmingham in 2014, there were a few there who backed Leave, who wanted to stick a red hot poker up the arse of Mark Reckless.

George Osborne hasn't reached that level, yet.

Good to hear GO doesn't want to do an EdwardII on Mark Reckless. Reassuring- especially for Mark Reckless I'm sure.

When it comes to Mark Reckless I was quite restrained compared to a lot of Tories, which speaks volumes.

Well he's exiled here in Cardiff, though as far as I can see UKIP are pretty irrelevant here now and barring a revival as unlikely as Rubbertiti in Carry On Screaming are dead men walking electorally.

Reckless has left UKIP now.

I'd forgotten!

YellowSubmarine said:

As ever all roads on Brexit lead to public opinion. We know A50 is revokable , we know that only takes a two clause, we know from the Abdication Act a bill can go through all it's stages and receive Assent in 13.5hrs.

Absolutely everything is driven by public opinion. The polls say that hasn't shifted at all really since the referendum. So we're leaving. But if public opinion does shift markedly the vote are clearly there in both houses to pull the plug.

For all the debate the only two variables that matter are the polls and the clock.

Is it revocable? I was unaware. Just by one side or twenty seven plus one?

YellowSubmarine said:

Absolutely everything is driven by public opinion. The polls say that hasn't shifted at all really since the referendum. So we're leaving. But if public opinion does shift markedly the vote are clearly there in both houses to pull the plug.

For all the debate the only two variables that matter are the polls and the clock.

The really interesting thing about the reaction to tomorrow is that it's likely to be the first official confirmation that we will be paying a large amount of money to the EU. The rabid Brexiteers will consider this a betrayal, but the thing to watch will be how the uncommitted people in the middle react. It could be a significant moment.

YellowSubmarine said:

@David_Evershed Absolutely spot on. Another part of the disaster is the way ' Divorce Bill ' has been allowed to frame the debate. First setting the level of maintenance payments after a divorce is a better analogy. Some of these liabilities will last for years and declining sums will be paid for years. Second unlike any divorce I know we're attempting to negotiate a time limited period of cohabitation and sex after the divorce while continuing to share the Netflix account. It's more akin to giving up cigarettes by slowly cutting down then switching to vaping rather than ' Divorce '. Third even Hard Brexiteers are proposing we remain in some EU bodies in perpetuity. Those mean continued payments in perpetuity. Those certainly aren't a Divorce Bill.

So May is offering €20bn for transition and Barnier is immediately going to say " That's great. We can discuss that in Stage 2 but as you know to get to Stage 2 we need to settle the divorce bill... "

It's not a divorce though. For it to be a divorce, the whole marriage (Union) would be going to be dissolved and all the member states would be figuring out how to distribute the common assets.

We're leaving a club. Normally when you leave a club you cease to have any further claim on its assets or access to its benefits, but equally you cease to have any responsibility for its liabilities.

We can go down that path: we can simply leave at the end of March 2019 and not have to pay anything, but we won't have any more access to any of the club's benefits.

Ostensibly, we want to continue to have access to at least some of the club's benefits, either for a transitional period or perhaps some of them indefinitely. The club is willing to let us continue to have some of the benefits - but it's clear we can't have the same benefits we had as members, and if we want any benefits at all, we will have to pay something towards them.

It's not a divorce!

philiph said:

YellowSubmarine said:

As ever all roads on Brexit lead to public opinion. We know A50 is revokable , we know that only takes a two clause, we know from the Abdication Act a bill can go through all it's stages and receive Assent in 13.5hrs.

Absolutely everything is driven by public opinion. The polls say that hasn't shifted at all really since the referendum. So we're leaving. But if public opinion does shift markedly the vote are clearly there in both houses to pull the plug.

For all the debate the only two variables that matter are the polls and the clock.

Is it revocable? I was unaware. Just by one side or twenty seven plus one?

Think it's not 100% clear because nobody's done it of course, but consensus is it takes 27 plus 1 unanimity.

williamglenn said:

YellowSubmarine said:

Absolutely everything is driven by public opinion. The polls say that hasn't shifted at all really since the referendum. So we're leaving. But if public opinion does shift markedly the vote are clearly there in both houses to pull the plug.

For all the debate the only two variables that matter are the polls and the clock.

The really interesting thing about the reaction to tomorrow is that it's likely to be the first official confirmation that we will be paying a large amount of money to the EU. The rabid Brexiteers will consider this a betrayal, but the thing to watch will be how the uncommitted people in the middle react. It could be a significant moment.

I agree with you William - I am not concerned about making fair payments but anything that is perceived by the voter to be extortinate will swing the ordinary voter against remain and the EU

YellowSubmarine said:

@David_Evershed Absolutely spot on. Another part of the disaster is the way ' Divorce Bill ' has been allowed to frame the debate. First setting the level of maintenance payments after a divorce is a better analogy. Some of these liabilities will last for years and declining sums will be paid for years. Second unlike any divorce I know we're attempting to negotiate a time limited period of cohabitation and sex after the divorce while continuing to share the Netflix account. It's more akin to giving up cigarettes by slowly cutting down then switching to vaping rather than ' Divorce '. Third even Hard Brexiteers are proposing we remain in some EU bodies in perpetuity. Those mean continued payments in perpetuity. Those certainly aren't a Divorce Bill.

So May is offering €20bn for transition and Barnier is immediately going to say " That's great. We can discuss that in Stage 2 but as you know to get to Stage 2 we need to settle the divorce bill... "

UK = responsible, hard-working spouse wot pays all the bills

EU = profligate, spendthrift gold-digger

Big_G_NorthWales said:

williamglenn said:

YellowSubmarine said:

Absolutely everything is driven by public opinion. The polls say that hasn't shifted at all really since the referendum. So we're leaving. But if public opinion does shift markedly the vote are clearly there in both houses to pull the plug.

For all the debate the only two variables that matter are the polls and the clock.

The really interesting thing about the reaction to tomorrow is that it's likely to be the first official confirmation that we will be paying a large amount of money to the EU. The rabid Brexiteers will consider this a betrayal, but the thing to watch will be how the uncommitted people in the middle react. It could be a significant moment.

I agree with you William - I am not concerned about making fair payments but anything that is perceived by the voter to be extortinate will swing the ordinary voter against remain and the EU

It's will evoke more complex emotions than that: resentment accompanied by the realisation that we are in the weaker position. It will be the first sign of the deep humiliation to come.

This is a big moment for the Country but also the opposition.

Money offers and ECJ jurisdiction in the UK will require labour to come of the fence instead of trying to ride two horses at once.

Sets up the media for a weekend of intensity that will have considerable influence on public opinion.

I hope that Theresa pulls this off for the sake of the Country - she will need to be inspired but there are doubts she has the public speaking ability.

Lets all wait and see

Charles said:

Casino_Royale said:

FF43 said:

They will find people to work in Frankfurt. Trust me on that.

Locals, and administrators yes. Backroom staff.

All the big swinging dicks are staying in London. All of them.

I have inside information, and you are just wrong.

Sorry

My former employer tried to make me move to Frankfurt. I quit.

Thereby proving my point that of they move a job, they will find someone to fill it.

What will kill London as a transactional centre I suspect is the compliance questionnaire that contains a question similar to "Are you accredited under Section XYZ?" Section XYZ accreditation is only available to EU firms. Firms don't want to explain why they aren't Section XYZ compliant, so they'll move the work to a part of the company that is. Their clients will demand it because their own customers ask for it. After a while everything gets processed under Section XYZ.

rpjs said:

YellowSubmarine said:

@David_Evershed Absolutely spot on. Another part of the disaster is the way ' Divorce Bill ' has been allowed to frame the debate. First setting the level of maintenance payments after a divorce is a better analogy. Some of these liabilities will last for years and declining sums will be paid for years. Second unlike any divorce I know we're attempting to negotiate a time limited period of cohabitation and sex after the divorce while continuing to share the Netflix account. It's more akin to giving up cigarettes by slowly cutting down then switching to vaping rather than ' Divorce '. Third even Hard Brexiteers are proposing we remain in some EU bodies in perpetuity. Those mean continued payments in perpetuity. Those certainly aren't a Divorce Bill.

So May is offering €20bn for transition and Barnier is immediately going to say " That's great. We can discuss that in Stage 2 but as you know to get to Stage 2 we need to settle the divorce bill... "

It's not a divorce though. For it to be a divorce, the whole marriage (Union) would be going to be dissolved and all the member states would be figuring out how to distribute the common assets.

We're leaving a club. Normally when you leave a club you cease to have any further claim on its assets or access to its benefits, but equally you cease to have any responsibility for its liabilities.

We can go down that path: we can simply leave at the end of March 2019 and not have to pay anything, but we won't have any more access to any of the club's benefits.

Ostensibly, we want to continue to have access to at least some of the club's benefits, either for a transitional period or perhaps some of them indefinitely. The club is willing to let us continue to have some of the benefits - but it's clear we can't have the same benefits we had as members, and if we want any benefits at all, we will have to pay something towards them.

It's not a divorce!

They are both metaphors. Actually what we are doing is revoking a complex system of highly interdependent treaties. As that's not something that people relate to, we talk about membership clubs and divorces.

I agree with numerous posters that setting out *any* hard cash offer is a seminal moment in the process which will set off multiple and conflicting emotions in sections of the electorate which are too complex to predict. We're in Butterfly wings and Hurricanes Territory to some extent.

But the main dynamic is that £350m per week as well as being a lie was a gross figure. Even if it was true, which it wasn't, it was predicated on us paying nothing whatsoever in future. As of tomorrow and for the first time since the referendum Brexit backing politicans are going to have to start back tracking on this.

Which is what Boris' tantrum was about. If he's not careful he'll be in Clegg territory as he sits in a government that openly repudiates the £350m pw claim.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Off topic - Man Utd chief indicates Facebook and Amazon interested in the Premier League

Old news.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

This is a big moment for the Country but also the opposition.

Money offers and ECJ jurisdiction in the UK will require labour to come of the fence instead of trying to ride two horses at once.

Sets up the media for a weekend of intensity that will have considerable influence on public opinion.

I hope that Theresa pulls this off for the sake of the Country - she will need to be inspired but there are doubts she has the public speaking ability.

Lets all wait and see

Your last sentence is the most sensible remark I've heard on Brexit for some time.

I have no idea what is in the speech. I will listen to it, Barnier's reaction and then the fallout with a generous supply of popcorn.

All of which is why May is making this speech on a Friday - take out the Trash day. They'll be two full and furious spin cycles before the public fully engage with the story on Monday.

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

This is a big moment for the Country but also the opposition.

Money offers and ECJ jurisdiction in the UK will require labour to come of the fence instead of trying to ride two horses at once.

Sets up the media for a weekend of intensity that will have considerable influence on public opinion.

I hope that Theresa pulls this off for the sake of the Country - she will need to be inspired but there are doubts she has the public speaking ability.

Lets all wait and see

Your last sentence is the most sensible remark I've heard on Brexit for some time.

I have no idea what is in the speech. I will listen to it, Barnier's reaction and then the fallout with a generous supply of popcorn.

Thanks Dixie - it is time to stop remaining and leaving and look to practical solutions for everyone.

Whichever side loses this argument with the voter they will lose as well

I have my reservations for Theresa but post tomorrow and the next few days a big shift could take place either way.

Popcorn may be a good idea and also a win for Everton would help your mood no doubt

welshowl said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

welshowl said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

spire2 said:

Any scenario osborne could have become pm last year? All i can think is if the vote was 52 48 to remain and cameron stepped down. Osborne i guess would have run then

It would have had to been a 1975 style result for that to happen.

Dave would have been the undisputed master of the universe, winner of two general elections, three plebiscites, slayer of the Lib Dems, and the man who drove Labour mad that they elected Corbyn as leader.

If only he'd backed leave......

He backed what he thought was right, not what would be good for him personally.

Unlike Boris.

I don't doubt it. He was wholly honourable. It was a shame he didn't arrive at the opposite conclusion. He'd have walked it and we'd all be in a different place.

Yet less than one calendar year later his successor tried that trick - leading us all into Brexit Valhalla - and was promptly handed her arse on a plate by the same electorate. We've no earthly idea what a Tory PM leading the Leave campaign would have done to non Tory Leave voters and abstainers. Backing an incumbent Tory PM in a referendum certainly wouldn't have been a protest vote.

Recidivist said:

welshowl said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/910949258001600512

Yes though the sub headline "Milliarden fuer Griechenland", means " billions for Greece". All this ever closer union is going to mean Herr and Frau Schmidt dipping deep into the old wallet.

Isn't that no new millions for the Greeks?

You're right- I hadn't expanded it on my phone and seen the "Keine". So Bild are saying no bew billions for the Greeks. Hmm bus worthy?

YellowSubmarine said:

All of which is why May is making this speech on a Friday - take out the Trash day. They'll be two full and furious spin cycles before the public fully engage with the story on Monday.

Our refuse and recycling day is Thursday

TheScreamingEagles said:

welshowl said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

spire2 said:

Any scenario osborne could have become pm last year? All i can think is if the vote was 52 48 to remain and cameron stepped down. Osborne i guess would have run then

It would have had to been a 1975 style result for that to happen.

Dave would have been the undisputed master of the universe, winner of two general elections, three plebiscites, slayer of the Lib Dems, and the man who drove Labour mad that they elected Corbyn as leader.

If only he'd backed leave......

He backed what he thought was right, not what would be good for him personally.

Unlike Boris.

Things were going wrong for Cameron for some time. Foreign policy was being ignored and going very wrong. The entire prospectus was economic growth at any cost, in the hope that things will somehow work themselves out in the end. Housing policy was a disaster. We were set on a path of selling off our essential infrastructure to hostile nations. Public services were being obliterated. The welfare state was being dismantled. There were many, many problems. And, no party had any answer to them.

Brexit has solved precisely none of these problems, but it has at least put a brake on the course that we were on.

FF43 said:

rpjs said:

YellowSubmarine said:

@David_Evershed Absolutely spot on. Another part of the disaster is the way ' Divorce Bill ' has been allowed to frame the debate. First setting the level of maintenance payments after a divorce is a better analogy. Some of these liabilities will last for years and declining sums will be paid for years. Second unlike any divorce I know we're attempting to negotiate a time limited period of cohabitation and sex after the divorce while continuing to share the Netflix account. It's more akin to giving up cigarettes by slowly cutting down then switching to vaping rather than ' Divorce '. Third even Hard Brexiteers are proposing we remain in some EU bodies in perpetuity. Those mean continued payments in perpetuity. Those certainly aren't a Divorce Bill.

So May is offering €20bn for transition and Barnier is immediately going to say " That's great. We can discuss that in Stage 2 but as you know to get to Stage 2 we need to settle the divorce bill... "

It's not a divorce though. For it to be a divorce, the whole marriage (Union) would be going to be dissolved and all the member states would be figuring out how to distribute the common assets.

We're leaving a club. Normally when you leave a club you cease to have any further claim on its assets or access to its benefits, but equally you cease to have any responsibility for its liabilities.

We can go down that path: we can simply leave at the end of March 2019 and not have to pay anything, but we won't have any more access to any of the club's benefits.

Ostensibly, we want to continue to have access to at least some of the club's benefits, either for a transitional period or perhaps some of them indefinitely. The club is willing to let us continue to have some of the benefits - but it's clear we can't have the same benefits we had as members, and if we want any benefits at all, we will have to pay something towards them.

It's not a divorce!

They are both metaphors. Actually what we are doing is revoking a complex system of highly interdependent treaties. As that's not something that people relate to, we talk about membership clubs and divorces.

Well quite, but my point is that the "divorce" metaphor is particularly unhelpful as a divorce involves a) a complete dissolution of a relationship and b) broadly equal parties. In the case of Brexit the relationship will persist, just one party to it will withdraw, and that one party is not remotely equal to the sum of the other parties, WW2 nostalgia notwithstanding.

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YellowSubmarine said:

I agree with numerous posters that setting out *any* hard cash offer is a seminal moment in the process which will set off multiple and conflicting emotions in sections of the electorate which are too complex to predict. We're in Butterfly wings and Hurricanes Territory to some extent.

But the main dynamic is that £350m per week as well as being a lie was a gross figure. Even if it was true, which it wasn't, it was predicated on us paying nothing whatsoever in future. As of tomorrow and for the first time since the referendum Brexit backing politicans are going to have to start back tracking on this.

Which is what Boris' tantrum was about. If he's not careful he'll be in Clegg territory as he sits in a government that openly repudiates the £350m pw claim.

I disagree.

The use of a gross figure (ignoring if one can for a moment the fact that it was the wrong gross figure) is consistent with their view that our future relationship would be one of an entirely disconnected country achieving a normal FTA with the EU. outside the Customs Union and the Single Market, outside the EEA and having no formal commitments to EU projects.

This is not a relationship I would prefer but there is a consistency with the basic principle of paying nothing to the EU.

Of course the idiotic bit is using a false figure for this gross payment. I am staggered that Boris has repeated it this week and is basically saying our saving in terms of contribution will be more than we ever paid.

May. Playing a weak hand, badly.

bigjohnowls said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

YellowSubmarine said:

@David_Evershed Absolutely spot on. Another part of the disaster is the way ' Divorce Bill ' has been allowed to frame the debate. First setting the level of maintenance payments after a divorce is a better analogy. Some of these liabilities will last for years and declining sums will be paid for years. Second unlike any divorce I know we're attempting to negotiate a time limited period of cohabitation and sex after the divorce while continuing to share the Netflix account. It's more akin to giving up cigarettes by slowly cutting down then switching to vaping rather than ' Divorce '. Third even Hard Brexiteers are proposing we remain in some EU bodies in perpetuity. Those mean continued payments in perpetuity. Those certainly aren't a Divorce Bill.

So May is offering €20bn for transition and Barnier is immediately going to say " That's great. We can discuss that in Stage 2 but as you know to get to Stage 2 we need to settle the divorce bill... "

UK = responsible, hard-working spouse wot pays all the bills

EU = profligate, spendthrift gold-digger

UK little fish.

EU big fish.

Cardboard box?

They need our protection money

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PB's already in full on Brexit-misery mode ahead of May's Florence speech I see...

Might give it a miss on here tomorrow.

See you on Saturday?

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

YellowSubmarine said:

@David_Evershed Absolutely spot on. Another part of the disaster is the way ' Divorce Bill ' has been allowed to frame the debate. First setting the level of maintenance payments after a divorce is a better analogy. Some of these liabilities will last for years and declining sums will be paid for years. Second unlike any divorce I know we're attempting to negotiate a time limited period of cohabitation and sex after the divorce while continuing to share the Netflix account. It's more akin to giving up cigarettes by slowly cutting down then switching to vaping rather than ' Divorce '. Third even Hard Brexiteers are proposing we remain in some EU bodies in perpetuity. Those mean continued payments in perpetuity. Those certainly aren't a Divorce Bill.

So May is offering €20bn for transition and Barnier is immediately going to say " That's great. We can discuss that in Stage 2 but as you know to get to Stage 2 we need to settle the divorce bill... "

UK = responsible, hard-working spouse wot pays all the bills

EU = profligate, spendthrift gold-digger

UK little fish.

EU big fish.

Cardboard box?

They need our protection money

Nah we need a deal with them so desperately we are prepared to pay it.

foxinsoxuk said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Off topic - Man Utd chief indicates Facebook and Amazon interested in the Premier League

Old news.

I hadn't heard it before but could be big implications for Sky and BT subscription services

A couple of our Europa League qualifiers were streamed live on Facebook. I was pleasantly impressed with the quality (of the stream, not the football).

Competition drives down prices

I think the rise of illegal streams for free are the real competition. They are easy to find, though not for me.

The quality is not great unless you have superfast though (so I am reliably informed!)

bigjohnowls said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

YellowSubmarine said:

@David_Evershed Absolutely spot on. Another part of the disaster is the way ' Divorce Bill ' has been allowed to frame the debate. First setting the level of maintenance payments after a divorce is a better analogy. Some of these liabilities will last for years and declining sums will be paid for years. Second unlike any divorce I know we're attempting to negotiate a time limited period of cohabitation and sex after the divorce while continuing to share the Netflix account. It's more akin to giving up cigarettes by slowly cutting down then switching to vaping rather than ' Divorce '. Third even Hard Brexiteers are proposing we remain in some EU bodies in perpetuity. Those mean continued payments in perpetuity. Those certainly aren't a Divorce Bill.

So May is offering €20bn for transition and Barnier is immediately going to say " That's great. We can discuss that in Stage 2 but as you know to get to Stage 2 we need to settle the divorce bill... "

UK = responsible, hard-working spouse wot pays all the bills

EU = profligate, spendthrift gold-digger

UK little fish.

EU big fish.

Cardboard box?

They need our protection money

Nah we need a deal with them so desperately we are prepared to pay it.

Hence the reference to protection money

williamglenn said:

welshowl said:

Recidivist said:

welshowl said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/910949258001600512

Yes though the sub headline "Milliarden fuer Griechenland", means " billions for Greece". All this ever closer union is going to mean Herr and Frau Schmidt dipping deep into the old wallet.

Isn't that no new millions for the Greeks?

You're right- I hadn't expanded it on my phone and seen the "Keine". So Bild are saying no bew billions for the Greeks. Hmm bus worthy?

It's a demand: "We need Merkel to be the iron Chancellor and not give more billions to Greece."

In a few months they'll probably be demanding "Keine Extrawurst für Großbritannien"

Well there's the issue. For ever closer union to work economically and especially in the Eurozone billions will have to head south and east from Germany. That's the nettle they've spent twenty years not grasping.

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Off topic - Man Utd chief indicates Facebook and Amazon interested in the Premier League

Old news.

I hadn't heard it before but could be big implications for Sky and BT subscription services

A couple of our Europa League qualifiers were streamed live on Facebook. I was pleasantly impressed with the quality (of the stream, not the football).

Competition drives down prices

I think the rise of illegal streams for free are the real competition. They are easy to find, though not for me.

I have not attempted to use them - rather put up with Sky and BT sports though I have negotiated quite good reduced rates from both in the last few months and received Sky Q boxes free.

There has to be downward pressure as people will not just accept year on year rises