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Yellowsub do please read some facts.Richard_Tyndall said:
You have a very twisted view of the world.YellowSubmarine said:@Sean_F So pre Brexit Britain was a dystopian hell and we needed to take back control. Post Brexit now the plebs have served their purpose they should shut up and compare themselves favourably with The Niger.
Unfortunately that's note how mobs work Sean. As you are well aware.
http://www.core-econ.org/the-economy/book/text/01.html#13-historys-hockey-stick-growth-in-income0 -
Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
Gove is too unpopular unfortunately.0 -
Says the person who thinks the EU is like the former Yugoslavia...Richard_Tyndall said:
You have a very twisted view of the world.YellowSubmarine said:@Sean_F So pre Brexit Britain was a dystopian hell and we needed to take back control. Post Brexit now the plebs have served their purpose they should shut up and compare themselves favourably with The Niger.
Unfortunately that's note how mobs work Sean. As you are well aware.0 -
Kirkup always struck me a conservative of the free-trade libertarian stamp, many of whom the eurosceptic hard Right persuaded to campaign for Brexit. But, as you rightly say, having expended their usefulness they can now be declassified as such. History belongs to the victors after all.Allan said:
Kirkup only states (now) that he has never been a Conservative. When a journalist he implied that he was one.Stark_Dawning said:Wow. Just seen this. James Kirkup is scathing.
I was wrong about the real Boris and his real principles. Look at him now. Look today at Boris Johnson, who once proclaimed himself a liberal Tory, and consider how far ambition and the referendum have warped him. Having cast his lot in with the Leavers, he appears to think his only play now is to double down on the worst of Leave’s politics and question the patriotism of those who take a different view.
‘I am troubled with the thought that people are beginning to have genuinely split allegiances,’
Mr Johnson writes of ‘young people’ protesting the decision to leave the EU, adding:
‘A transnational sense of allegiance can weaken the ties between us.’
This isn’t nice. This isn’t funny. This isn’t cuddly or amusing or bumbling. This isn’t even excusable by the fact that Boris is utterly selfish and his principles fluidly subordinate to his career.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/boriss-nasty-politics-would-hurt-the-tories-and-britain/0 -
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?CopperSulphate said:Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
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Surely Richard would never have been that naive. I can't quite recall what form his 'preferred option' took, but I'll swear it wasn't that. It couldn't have been.YellowSubmarine said:@Richard_Tyndall How is our copper bottomed legal right to maintain EEA membership going ? The copper bottomed right you spent 10 years post on here we had ? Typical Dr Frankenstein moaning now the Brexit monster he created is behaving badly.
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Best leader the left ever had who thrice defeated the Tories, what a shame he never had the cojones to sack Gordon.williamglenn said:
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?CopperSulphate said:Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
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foxinsoxuk said:
For the average Tory to be six years older than they were 2 years ago, either youngest Tories are leaving in droves (Remainers?) or very elderly to be joining (Leavers?). My money is on the former.Pong said:"Average age of Conservative member is now 72, up six years on 2015."
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/908770085837447170
The Conservative party has always been old, but it's never been this old before.
This is the electorate who will choose who succeeds TM.
72 year olds.
It is going to be a real problem getting ground troops out next GE.
The fruitcakes came back, I suspect.foxinsoxuk said:
For the average Tory to be six years older than they were 2 years ago, either youngest Tories are leaving in droves (Remainers?) or very elderly to be joining (Leavers?). My money is on the former.Pong said:"Average age of Conservative member is now 72, up six years on 2015."
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/908770085837447170
The Conservative party has always been old, but it's never been this old before.
This is the electorate who will choose who succeeds TM.
72 year olds.
It is going to be a real problem getting ground troops out next GE.0 -
Nope. I said it would become like that. I know it is hard for you to stop lying as you are a Eurofanatic and it is built into your whole psyche but do try at least to control it on here.williamglenn said:
Says the person who thinks the EU is like the former Yugoslavia...Richard_Tyndall said:
You have a very twisted view of the world.YellowSubmarine said:@Sean_F So pre Brexit Britain was a dystopian hell and we needed to take back control. Post Brexit now the plebs have served their purpose they should shut up and compare themselves favourably with The Niger.
Unfortunately that's note how mobs work Sean. As you are well aware.0 -
While Richard preferred (from memory) EEA I'm pretty sure (also from memory) he recognised that the Vote Leave campaign were ruling it out and he'd still prefer totally out than remain in the EU.Stark_Dawning said:
Surely Richard would never have been that naive. I can't quite recall what form his 'preferred option' took, but I'll swear it wasn't that. It couldn't have been.YellowSubmarine said:@Richard_Tyndall How is our copper bottomed legal right to maintain EEA membership going ? The copper bottomed right you spent 10 years post on here we had ? Typical Dr Frankenstein moaning now the Brexit monster he created is behaving badly.
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Not at all. Legally I still believe that is the case. Unfortunately those in charge have not chosen to pursue that and I regret it. Not least because it will cost me £100 to Richard Nabavi if that is not the final outcome. But it doesn't change anything about legality or otherwise.YellowSubmarine said:@Richard_Tyndall How is our copper bottomed legal right to maintain EEA membership going ? The copper bottomed right you spent 10 years post on here we had ? Typical Dr Frankenstein moaning now the Brexit monster he created is behaving badly.
Try again loser.0 -
Probably a higher opinion than yours ha ha.williamglenn said:
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?CopperSulphate said:Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
Blair is hated for what he did, Boris is hated for...what exactly? Being posh, a Tory and successful. It's like kryptonite to the left.0 -
The point about Gove's weirdness is underrated - mainly because unlike say, Ed Miliband, he and his wife are very friendly with many of those who are responsible for the most poisonous caricatures of politicians. At Westminster dinner parties he's a heavyweight intellectual, outside he's the unpleasant oily geek from the University Conservative Association - Leslie Titmuss made flesh. Unfair perhaps, but then it was on Ed Miliband - public images are. It would be suicide to elect Gove as he's reviled by the younger, social liberals the Tories need to attract to put Corbyn back in his box and he's just too strange to do the ordinary bloke populism that could win the Tories more socially conservative voters. Boris can at least do the latter, even if rather like in Blair's overly sincere demeanour, it's now seen as an affectation.stevef said:The problem for the Tories is that the cabinet is a rogues gallery of unelectables. Choosing Gove as leader would be suicidal. Not only have his ideas and approach made him deeply unpopular with millions of voters, but he has the misfortune of having a face and image which makes him the Mr Bean of British politics. Boris Johnson is a buffoon. Rees Mogg is a cartoon patrician aristocrat, David Davis is a weary old approaching septuanarian, and Amber Rudd is a strident martinet whose name sounds like a traffic light changing colour.
All of them would lead to a minority Corbyn government. The Tories need to look to that Unknown backbencher who will save the Tory party from this bunch of grotesques.
They're in a right mess. Anyone with crossover appeal will be vetoed by the Brexit fundamentalist fruitcake wing of the party, and those left all seem to have been genetically engineers to make Corbyn-sceptics think he may not be so bad after all.0 -
This is a very important factor to consider when betting on next con leader.FF43 said:
The fruitcakes came back, I suspect.
Leadsom or Mogg (or similar) might well surprise against Boris, Gove or one of the other of Daves social liberals, regardless of how brexitty they are.
Hammond might end up as the inoffensive compromise candidate. David Davis ticks the right boxes among the fruitcakes, too.0 -
Yep that was always my position. Out in the EEA would be best - of course that is because I am in favour of free movement. Out under any other arrangement would be fine although suggestions that we should stay in the Customs Union are very dumb. Staying in would be the very worst result.Philip_Thompson said:
While Richard preferred (from memory) EEA I'm pretty sure (also from memory) he recognised that the Vote Leave campaign were ruling it out and he'd still prefer totally out than remain in the EU.Stark_Dawning said:
Surely Richard would never have been that naive. I can't quite recall what form his 'preferred option' took, but I'll swear it wasn't that. It couldn't have been.YellowSubmarine said:@Richard_Tyndall How is our copper bottomed legal right to maintain EEA membership going ? The copper bottomed right you spent 10 years post on here we had ? Typical Dr Frankenstein moaning now the Brexit monster he created is behaving badly.
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I wonder where these figures come from. The last published figure that I can find is 2013, at 130 000.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Or the overwhelming majority of voters are not members of any political party - assume even with Corbyn's members the total of members belonging to political parties does not exceed one million out of 65 million. Also the next GE will be a social media event as much as door knockingfoxinsoxuk said:
For the average Tory to be six years older than they were 2 years ago, either youngest Tories are leaving in droves (Remainers?) or very elderly to be joining (Leavers?). My money is on the former.Pong said:"Average age of Conservative member is now 72, up six years on 2015."
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/908770085837447170
The Conservative party has always been old, but it's never been this old before.
This is the electorate who will choose who succeeds TM.
72 year olds.
It is going to be a real problem getting ground troops out next GE.
Social Media did not do it for the Tories last time, and while I agree non members do help, the Tory pluto-gerontocracy does not bode well for ground level intelligence next time.
Indeed Vince has set the target of becoming the second biggest party.0 -
Little point in defeating the Tories if he then continues the Thatcherite agenda - he was well to the Right of people like Macmillan, Butler, Macleod, Heath , Maudling et all. And that's before taking account of his 'war criminal' status in a just world!Philip_Thompson said:
Best leader the left ever had who thrice defeated the Tories, what a shame he never had the cojones to sack Gordon.williamglenn said:
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?CopperSulphate said:Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
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Nope. Richard spent 10 years on here arguing we'd have Grandparents *rights* to remain in the EEA no matter what the rEU said or wanted and that we should use these rights. The first part is clearly rubbish. The second part makes him on the extreme europhile wing of British politics as it's now defined.Stark_Dawning said:
Surely Richard would never have been that naive. I can't quite recall what form his 'preferred option' took, but I'll swear it wasn't that. It couldn't have been.YellowSubmarine said:@Richard_Tyndall How is our copper bottomed legal right to maintain EEA membership going ? The copper bottomed right you spent 10 years post on here we had ? Typical Dr Frankenstein moaning now the Brexit monster he created is behaving badly.
Goodness knows how many things I've been wrong about recently but it's about humility. If Richard is baring out personal insults it's fair for me to point out he's spent 10 years being wrong about us having grandparent rights to remain in the EEA.0 -
But also someone who struggles to get a fair hearing these days because so many people regard him as toxic. Boris's past electoral success does not make him immune...Philip_Thompson said:
Best leader the left ever had who thrice defeated the Tories, what a shame he never had the cojones to sack Gordon.williamglenn said:
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?CopperSulphate said:Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
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Mass door to door canvassing (backed by years of data to compare it with) is the gold standard, butfoxinsoxuk said:
I wonder where these figures come from. The last published figure that I can find is 2013, at 130 000.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Or the overwhelming majority of voters are not members of any political party - assume even with Corbyn's members the total of members belonging to political parties does not exceed one million out of 65 million. Also the next GE will be a social media event as much as door knockingfoxinsoxuk said:
For the average Tory to be six years older than they were 2 years ago, either youngest Tories are leaving in droves (Remainers?) or very elderly to be joining (Leavers?). My money is on the former.Pong said:"Average age of Conservative member is now 72, up six years on 2015."
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/908770085837447170
The Conservative party has always been old, but it's never been this old before.
This is the electorate who will choose who succeeds TM.
72 year olds.
It is going to be a real problem getting ground troops out next GE.
Social Media did not do it for the Tories last time, and while I agree non members do help, the Tory pluto-gerontocracy does not bode well for ground level intelligence next time.
Indeed Vince has set the target of becoming the second biggest party.
it's rare in most constituencies, now. Mass leafletting is still feasible, along with ensuring the candidate has a good show of supporters, when greeting voters.0 -
I don't think many people hate Johnson. They might despise him however. He doesn't have anything going for him apart from his apparent charm. The risk is that he just bored people.CopperSulphate said:
Probably a higher opinion than yours ha ha.williamglenn said:
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?CopperSulphate said:Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
Blair is hated for what he did, Boris is hated for...what exactly? Being posh, a Tory and successful. It's like kryptonite to the left.0 -
@Richard_Tyndall There you go again being rude and abusive. If you are right then a ' no deal ' Brexit would be an EEA Brexit not a WTO Brexit. But you aren't right.0
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I do believe their is a large number of non member conservatives (like myself until recently) who turn out at election campaigns. Indeed in the campaigns I was very active in probably more non members than members were involvedfoxinsoxuk said:
I wonder where these figures come from. The last published figure that I can find is 2013, at 130 000.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Or the overwhelming majority of voters are not members of any political party - assume even with Corbyn's members the total of members belonging to political parties does not exceed one million out of 65 million. Also the next GE will be a social media event as much as door knockingfoxinsoxuk said:
For the average Tory to be six years older than they were 2 years ago, either youngest Tories are leaving in droves (Remainers?) or very elderly to be joining (Leavers?). My money is on the former.Pong said:"Average age of Conservative member is now 72, up six years on 2015."
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/908770085837447170
The Conservative party has always been old, but it's never been this old before.
This is the electorate who will choose who succeeds TM.
72 year olds.
It is going to be a real problem getting ground troops out next GE.
Social Media did not do it for the Tories last time, and while I agree non members do help, the Tory pluto-gerontocracy does not bode well for ground level intelligence next time.
Indeed Vince has set the target of becoming the second biggest party.0 -
It's a comparison you've made so frequently it's not hard to find examples. As I pointed out to you at the time, the EU will soon have outlived Yugoslavia without becoming like it, so perhaps you should consider the possibility that they are just fundamentally different entities.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. I said it would become like that. I know it is hard for you to stop lying as you are a Eurofanatic and it is built into your whole psyche but do try at least to control it on here.williamglenn said:
Says the person who thinks the EU is like the former Yugoslavia...Richard_Tyndall said:
You have a very twisted view of the world.YellowSubmarine said:@Sean_F So pre Brexit Britain was a dystopian hell and we needed to take back control. Post Brexit now the plebs have served their purpose they should shut up and compare themselves favourably with The Niger.
Unfortunately that's note how mobs work Sean. As you are well aware.Richard_Tyndall said:
In practical terms it is a federal state in a constant state of near failure because of the inherent stresses caused by forcing people together. It is Yugoslavia on a continental scale.0 -
Vince is going nowherefoxinsoxuk said:
I wonder where these figures come from. The last published figure that I can find is 2013, at 130 000.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Or the overwhelming majority of voters are not members of any political party - assume even with Corbyn's members the total of members belonging to political parties does not exceed one million out of 65 million. Also the next GE will be a social media event as much as door knockingfoxinsoxuk said:
For the average Tory to be six years older than they were 2 years ago, either youngest Tories are leaving in droves (Remainers?) or very elderly to be joining (Leavers?). My money is on the former.Pong said:"Average age of Conservative member is now 72, up six years on 2015."
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/908770085837447170
The Conservative party has always been old, but it's never been this old before.
This is the electorate who will choose who succeeds TM.
72 year olds.
It is going to be a real problem getting ground troops out next GE.
Social Media did not do it for the Tories last time, and while I agree non members do help, the Tory pluto-gerontocracy does not bode well for ground level intelligence next time.
Indeed Vince has set the target of becoming the second biggest party.0 -
It's rare to find a remainer who is not so blinded by their fury with Boris that they can't really see straight. Of course, this includes most of those comprising the European and US political and diplomatic establishments, as well as remainer Tories at home, and it must make for a very strange world for him to live in.0
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Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline0 -
I think one thing that Boris doesn't have to worry about is being considered boring.FF43 said:
I don't think many people hate Johnson. They might despise him however. He doesn't have anything going for him apart from his apparent charm. The risk is that he just bored people.CopperSulphate said:
Probably a higher opinion than yours ha ha.williamglenn said:
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?CopperSulphate said:Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
Blair is hated for what he did, Boris is hated for...what exactly? Being posh, a Tory and successful. It's like kryptonite to the left.0 -
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that0 -
Do you get the idea that O'Leary was planning to blame Ryanair's problems on Brexit but couldn't hold on long enough ?Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline0 -
God is punishing the remoaners :-)Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
Branson gets his house blown down and Oleary flies like a dodo0 -
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It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that0 -
G, she has already proved herself to be useless.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe in all this May will prove to be the serious politicianYellowSubmarine said:This isn't House of Cards. We needn't let a pound shop Frank Underwood like Boris destroy the governments of two consecutive Prime Ministers so he can inherit the Crown without an election. Followed by a false flag WTO Brexit where he tries to get a majority amidst the ensuing chaos by running on a jingoistic platform as yet unseen.
It's time for Conservative MPs to do what they exist for and seem to have given up on. To act conservatively. To restore order and approach Brexit as a serious and long term socioeconomic project. Not an ink blot for ***** like Boris to project their Id onto.0 -
Hi Malc - maybe but for Brexit it is difficult to see past her at presentmalcolmg said:
G, she has already proved herself to be useless.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe in all this May will prove to be the serious politicianYellowSubmarine said:This isn't House of Cards. We needn't let a pound shop Frank Underwood like Boris destroy the governments of two consecutive Prime Ministers so he can inherit the Crown without an election. Followed by a false flag WTO Brexit where he tries to get a majority amidst the ensuing chaos by running on a jingoistic platform as yet unseen.
It's time for Conservative MPs to do what they exist for and seem to have given up on. To act conservatively. To restore order and approach Brexit as a serious and long term socioeconomic project. Not an ink blot for ***** like Boris to project their Id onto.0 -
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.FF43 said:
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.0 -
Think it is more statutory holidays - but whatever it is, it is not customer relations and his Company are getting terrible pressFF43 said:
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that0 -
it's still a humungus screw up up over 100,000 disaatisfied customersfoxinsoxuk said:
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.FF43 said:
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.
OLeary's sod you pastiche will only make it worse0 -
Hammond has no chance with the membership.Pong said:
This is a very important factor to consider when betting on next con leader.FF43 said:
The fruitcakes came back, I suspect.
Leadsom or Mogg (or similar) might well surprise against Boris, Gove or one of the other of Daves social liberals, regardless of how brexitty they are.
Hammond might end up as the inoffensive compromise candidate. David Davis ticks the right boxes among the fruitcakes, too.
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9,000 a day for 6 weeks = 378,000 (three hundred and seventy eight thousand furious passengers)Alanbrooke said:
it's still a humungus screw up up over 100,000 disaatisfied customersfoxinsoxuk said:
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.FF43 said:
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.
OLeary's sod you pastiche will only make it worse0 -
According to the Irish Times:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think it is more statutory holidays - but whatever it is, it is not customer relations and his Company are getting terrible pressFF43 said:
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
"Disbelief and outrage greeted the news from Ryanair that it had cancelled the flights deliberately to improve punctuality and allocate leave to staff. It seems it is changing how leave is allocated from April to March to the calendar year January to December.
The fact that punctuality has fallen to below 80 per cent in the first two weeks of September has caused consternation. Always proud of its punctuality, it has been hit by air traffic control strikes, capacity delays, weather disruption and increased holiday allocations to pilots and cabin crew."
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-flight-cancellations-what-you-need-to-know-1.3222837#sst
Bad planning and logistics.0 -
worse than I thought thenBig_G_NorthWales said:
9,000 a day for 6 weeks = 378,000 (three hundred and seventy eight thousand furious passengers)Alanbrooke said:
it's still a humungus screw up up over 100,000 disaatisfied customersfoxinsoxuk said:
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.FF43 said:
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.
OLeary's sod you pastiche will only make it worse
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Yep, they’ve not got enough crews to fly the planes.FF43 said:
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
The reporting of it mentioned holidays, but FTL restrictions seem more likely. From memory for pilots in the EU it’s 100 hours per rolling calendar month, and 900 hours per rolling calendar year - so it's quite possible for pilots to be maxed out around now and have to be put on leave until Christmas. Cabin crew have slightly less onerous restrictions but love the overtime.
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The thing with Ryanair is everyone has always known the product/service is crap but they don't care because they get cheep flights so this is one of those situations where its probably not possible to "Ratner" the company is it's crapness is already factored in.
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Makes sense. Ryanair work with no margin, so they don't have any choice really apart from cancelling flights. I read that O Leary runs his airline on just two metrics. Load factor and punctuality. He gets his secretary to print out those two statistics for each flight each day. If they meet those two targets everything falls into place.foxinsoxuk said:
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.FF43 said:
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.0 -
Willie Walsh must be laughing his bollocks offFF43 said:
Makes sense. Ryanair work with no margin, so they don't have any choice really apart from cancelling flights. I read that O Leary runs his airline on just two metrics. Load factor and punctuality. He gets his secretary to print out those two statistics for each flight each day. If they meet those two targets everything falls into place.foxinsoxuk said:
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.FF43 said:
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.
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One experience of flying with Ryanair was enough for me.0
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Ryanair's margins were 22% last year, which is very healthy. O'Leary could easily afford to recruit more staff if he wanted to.FF43 said:
Makes sense. Ryanair work with no margin, so they don't have any choice really apart from cancelling flights. I read that O Leary runs his airline on just two metrics. Load factor and punctuality. He gets his secretary to print out those two statistics for each flight each day. If they meet those two targets everything falls into place.foxinsoxuk said:
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.FF43 said:
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.Alanbrooke said:Ryanair - chortle
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.0 -
Once too often here - took 11 hours to get back from Italy......I often find the 'full service' (that were) carriers are as cheap or cheaper once you've added on all the extras.....Sean_F said:One experience of flying with Ryanair was enough for me.
NSFW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6pj3Fdbwng0 -
Our Greek and Iberian staff often fly back to family via Ryanair for long weekends. Usually Ryanair are rude but cheap and reliable.GIN1138 said:The thing with Ryanair is everyone has always known the product/service is crap but they don't care because they get cheep flights so this is one of those situations where its probably not possible to "Ratner" the company is it's crapness is already factored in.
Unfortunately.
Lack of reliability is worse than punctuality for their market. They need to do some quick work notifying cancellations. It is a Ratner moment*
*Mrs Fox's engagement ring is from Ratners, but I was just qualified, and skint. She has done alright since to make up!0 -
Brandon Lewis, Anne Milton, Dominic Raab, Esther McVey (attended Cabinet until she lost her seat in 2015) for a start.stevef said:
Can you name some of them.JohnO said:
No, there are a number of very capable Ministers of State, who promoted to Cabinet and given a higher profile, would be well-suited as PM and re-election in 2022.stevef said:The problem for the Tories is that the cabinet is a rogues gallery of unelectables. Choosing Gove as leader would be suicidal. Not only have his ideas and approach made him deeply unpopular with millions of voters, but he has the misfortune of having a face and image which makes him the Mr Bean of British politics. Boris Johnson is a buffoon. Rees Mogg is a cartoon patrician aristocrat, David Davis is a weary old approaching septuanarian, and Amber Rudd is a strident martinet whose name sounds like a traffic light changing colour.
All of them would lead to a minority Corbyn government. The Tories need to look to that Unknown backbencher who will save the Tory party from this bunch of grotesques.0 -
That’s a feckin’ hillarious video!CarlottaVance said:
Once too often here - took 11 hours to get back from Italy......I often find the 'full service' (that were) carriers are as cheap or cheaper once you've added on all the extras.....Sean_F said:One experience of flying with Ryanair was enough for me.
NSFW:
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6pj3Fdbwng0 -
So mich for terrorism not letting terrorism change our lives.williamglenn said:
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I know how much junior doctors get paid so can quite believe it. The trouble is the usual suspects on here will still think you were being overpaid massively. You can do this think if you run several planes a day, just about get away with it if a daily service. I hope that people remember one of the many benefits of EU membership and claim for all that they can.foxinsoxuk said:
Our Greek and Iberian staff often fly back to family via Ryanair for long weekends. Usually Ryanair are rude but cheap and reliable.GIN1138 said:The thing with Ryanair is everyone has always known the product/service is crap but they don't care because they get cheep flights so this is one of those situations where its probably not possible to "Ratner" the company is it's crapness is already factored in.
Unfortunately.
Lack of reliability is worse than punctuality for their market. They need to do some quick work notifying cancellations. It is a Ratner moment*
*Mrs Fox's engagement ring is from Ratners, but I was just qualified, and skint. She has done alright since to make up!0 -
The tweet she's replying to says, "'No 10 have to be mindful of not putting Boris in an impossible position' warns Tory ahead of May's Florence speech,"RobD said:
So mich for terrorism not letting terrorism change our lives.williamglenn said:
(I do agree it was oddly timed, wouldn't surprise me if the Telegraph had no contingency)0 -
Kwasi Kwarteng in 18 months. He comes across very well and I would think would be a trump card in the culture wars that the left are currently winning.0
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Injuring 20 odd people is botched is it?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4890528/Love-Island-Gabby-Marcel-reveal-MOVING-IN.htmlwilliamglenn said:
The tweet she's replying to says, "'No 10 have to be mindful of not putting Boris in an impossible position' warns Tory ahead of May's Florence speech,"RobD said:
So mich for terrorism not letting terrorism change our lives.williamglenn said:
(I do agree it was oddly timed, wouldn't surprise me if the Telegraph had no contingency)0 -
Ryanair: an aerodrome-seeking palindrome.0
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I fly with Ryanair a fair bit. If you want to go direct from Edinburgh airport your options are easyJet and Ryanair mainly. I have never had a problem with them. In general Ryanair is an efficient airline, punctual, with new planes and they get you from A to Be with relatively little hassle as long as you play along with their system. But that lack of dependability does worry me.foxinsoxuk said:
Our Greek and Iberian staff often fly back to family via Ryanair for long weekends. Usually Ryanair are rude but cheap and reliable.GIN1138 said:The thing with Ryanair is everyone has always known the product/service is crap but they don't care because they get cheep flights so this is one of those situations where its probably not possible to "Ratner" the company is it's crapness is already factored in.
Unfortunately.
Lack of reliability is worse than punctuality for their market. They need to do some quick work notifying cancellations. It is a Ratner moment*
*Mrs Fox's engagement ring is from Ratners, but I was just qualified, and skint. She has done alright since to make up!0 -
Betfair have voided their Catalan Independence Referendum market.0
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Apparently the passengers receive a text cancelling the flight with a refund offer. Significantly it is alleged they make no reference to statutory compensation rights over and above any refund which is dueFF43 said:
I fly with Ryanair a fair bit. If you want to go direct from Edinburgh airport your options are easyJet and Ryanair mainly. I have never had a problem with them. In general Ryanair is an efficient airline, punctual, with new planes and they get you from A to Be with relatively little hassle as long as you play along with their system. But that lack of dependability does worry me.foxinsoxuk said:
Our Greek and Iberian staff often fly back to family via Ryanair for long weekends. Usually Ryanair are rude but cheap and reliable.GIN1138 said:The thing with Ryanair is everyone has always known the product/service is crap but they don't care because they get cheep flights so this is one of those situations where its probably not possible to "Ratner" the company is it's crapness is already factored in.
Unfortunately.
Lack of reliability is worse than punctuality for their market. They need to do some quick work notifying cancellations. It is a Ratner moment*
*Mrs Fox's engagement ring is from Ratners, but I was just qualified, and skint. She has done alright since to make up!0 -
Why has it been stoppedpartypoliticalorphan said:Betfair have voided their Catalan Independence Referendum market.
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If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe0
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F1: pre-race ramble will have to be tomorrow morning, due to lack of time right now.0
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Catalonia referendum: Spain sends ARMED POLICE to hunt for ballot boxes to BLOCK voteBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why has it been stoppedpartypoliticalorphan said:Betfair have voided their Catalan Independence Referendum market.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/854987/Catalonia-referendum-2017-Spain-Catalan-independence-vote-police-raid-search
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a less than happy customer commentsBig_G_NorthWales said:
Apparently the passengers receive a text cancelling the flight with a refund offer. Significantly it is alleged they make no reference to statutory compensation rights over and above any refund which is dueFF43 said:
I fly with Ryanair a fair bit. If you want to go direct from Edinburgh airport your options are easyJet and Ryanair mainly. I have never had a problem with them. In general Ryanair is an efficient airline, punctual, with new planes and they get you from A to Be with relatively little hassle as long as you play along with their system. But that lack of dependability does worry me.foxinsoxuk said:
Our Greek and Iberian staff often fly back to family via Ryanair for long weekends. Usually Ryanair are rude but cheap and reliable.GIN1138 said:The thing with Ryanair is everyone has always known the product/service is crap but they don't care because they get cheep flights so this is one of those situations where its probably not possible to "Ratner" the company is it's crapness is already factored in.
Unfortunately.
Lack of reliability is worse than punctuality for their market. They need to do some quick work notifying cancellations. It is a Ratner moment*
*Mrs Fox's engagement ring is from Ratners, but I was just qualified, and skint. She has done alright since to make up!
"Now hotel are fully paid and too late to cancel, tickets to Museums bought and bus tickets bought. And they knew this was coming
"They won't even give a reason for cancellation. Probably claim it was beyond their control"0 -
Your link appears to be to a soft-porn site.Alanbrooke said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4890528/Love-Island-Gabby-Marcel-reveal-MOVING-IN.htmlwilliamglenn said:
The tweet she's replying to says, "'No 10 have to be mindful of not putting Boris in an impossible position' warns Tory ahead of May's Florence speech,"RobD said:
So mich for terrorism not letting terrorism change our lives.williamglenn said:
(I do agree it was oddly timed, wouldn't surprise me if the Telegraph had no contingency)0 -
Every policeman is Spain is armed, no?geoffw said:
Catalonia referendum: Spain sends ARMED POLICE to hunt for ballot boxes to BLOCK voteBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why has it been stoppedpartypoliticalorphan said:Betfair have voided their Catalan Independence Referendum market.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/854987/Catalonia-referendum-2017-Spain-Catalan-independence-vote-police-raid-search0 -
I think they are 'frit'. The reason given was "Due to wanting to comply with our Spanish regulators and the uncertainty surrounding the Catalan referendum, the decision has been made to void the above market on site."Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why has it been stoppedpartypoliticalorphan said:Betfair have voided their Catalan Independence Referendum market.
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William needs exposure to the real worldStark_Dawning said:
Your link appears to be to a soft-porn site.Alanbrooke said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4890528/Love-Island-Gabby-Marcel-reveal-MOVING-IN.htmlwilliamglenn said:
The tweet she's replying to says, "'No 10 have to be mindful of not putting Boris in an impossible position' warns Tory ahead of May's Florence speech,"RobD said:
So mich for terrorism not letting terrorism change our lives.williamglenn said:
(I do agree it was oddly timed, wouldn't surprise me if the Telegraph had no contingency)0 -
This be becoming increasingly ugly.geoffw said:
Catalonia referendum: Spain sends ARMED POLICE to hunt for ballot boxes to BLOCK voteBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why has it been stoppedpartypoliticalorphan said:Betfair have voided their Catalan Independence Referendum market.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/854987/Catalonia-referendum-2017-Spain-Catalan-independence-vote-police-raid-search0 -
Arresting people taking part in a voluntary vote is never a good look.Sandpit said:
Every policeman is Spain is armed, no?geoffw said:
Catalonia referendum: Spain sends ARMED POLICE to hunt for ballot boxes to BLOCK voteBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why has it been stoppedpartypoliticalorphan said:Betfair have voided their Catalan Independence Referendum market.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/854987/Catalonia-referendum-2017-Spain-Catalan-independence-vote-police-raid-search0 -
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.Big_G_NorthWales said:If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
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And the EU are making threatening voices - why do they fear the ballot boxCopperSulphate said:
Arresting people taking part in a voluntary vote is never a good look.Sandpit said:
Every policeman is Spain is armed, no?geoffw said:
Catalonia referendum: Spain sends ARMED POLICE to hunt for ballot boxes to BLOCK voteBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why has it been stoppedpartypoliticalorphan said:Betfair have voided their Catalan Independence Referendum market.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/854987/Catalonia-referendum-2017-Spain-Catalan-independence-vote-police-raid-search0 -
And you can have a good laugh at Liverpool dropping points at home to Burnley. Again.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.Big_G_NorthWales said:If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
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¡Yes!Sandpit said:
Every policeman is Spain is armed, no?geoffw said:
Catalonia referendum: Spain sends ARMED POLICE to hunt for ballot boxes to BLOCK voteBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why has it been stoppedpartypoliticalorphan said:Betfair have voided their Catalan Independence Referendum market.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/854987/Catalonia-referendum-2017-Spain-Catalan-independence-vote-police-raid-search
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Indeed not, my comment was more the somewhat excessive use of caps by the Express headline.CopperSulphate said:
Arresting people taking part in a voluntary vote is never a good look.Sandpit said:
Every policeman is Spain is armed, no?geoffw said:
Catalonia referendum: Spain sends ARMED POLICE to hunt for ballot boxes to BLOCK voteBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why has it been stoppedpartypoliticalorphan said:Betfair have voided their Catalan Independence Referendum market.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/854987/Catalonia-referendum-2017-Spain-Catalan-independence-vote-police-raid-search
I fear the whole situation in Catalonia is about to take a turn somewhat for the worse.0 -
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.Big_G_NorthWales said:If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
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Bournemouth, Burnley at home, Brighton away are the next 3 after United. If we are still below halfway after them will be the time to panic!Sandpit said:
And you can have a good laugh at Liverpool dropping points at home to Burnley. Again.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.Big_G_NorthWales said:If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
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The BBC having a go at Boris about the £350m saving again. Just reporting how he is being "criticised" and getting Vince Cable to put the boot in.
They never actually played Boris actually saying his bit just the condemnation of him. The impartial BBC at its best.0 -
You deserve an easier rundixiedean said:
Bournemouth, Burnley at home, Brighton away are the next 3 after United. If we are still below halfway after them will be the time to panic!Sandpit said:
And you can have a good laugh at Liverpool dropping points at home to Burnley. Again.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.Big_G_NorthWales said:If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
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See below re our rise up the table. Rooney was our best player prior to his marital troubles (indeed he's our only scorer). Thursday first half was the worst I can remember for 10 years. Lukaku will get a hatful tomorrow if he is on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.Big_G_NorthWales said:If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
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I heard the BBC earlier and they were so anti Boris and selective reporting it was embarrassingCopperSulphate said:The BBC having a go at Boris about the £350m saving again. Just reporting how he is being "criticised" and getting Vince Cable to put the boot in.
They never actually played Boris actually saying his bit just the condemnation of him. The impartial BBC at its best.0 -
The irony in Rooney is that he should have been on England duty that fateful weekend.dixiedean said:
See below re our rise up the table. Rooney was our best player prior to his marital troubles (indeed he's our only scorer). Thursday first half was the worst I can remember for 10 years. Lukaku will get a hatful tomorrow if he is on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.Big_G_NorthWales said:If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
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One would hope so. Wouldn't put it past him to bang one in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The irony in Rooney is that he should have been on England duty that fateful weekend.dixiedean said:
See below re our rise up the table. Rooney was our best player prior to his marital troubles (indeed he's our only scorer). Thursday first half was the worst I can remember for 10 years. Lukaku will get a hatful tomorrow if he is on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.Big_G_NorthWales said:If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
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They've turned it up to 11 since the election. They can smell their man Corbyn getting in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I heard the BBC earlier and they were so anti Boris and selective reporting it was embarrassingCopperSulphate said:The BBC having a go at Boris about the £350m saving again. Just reporting how he is being "criticised" and getting Vince Cable to put the boot in.
They never actually played Boris actually saying his bit just the condemnation of him. The impartial BBC at its best.0 -
Yebbut, they never learn. It's a blind spot. The more they talk about £350m per week the more they draw attention to the fact of huge payments. Whether net or gross is a side issue, and gross is just as valid as net.CopperSulphate said:The BBC having a go at Boris about the £350m saving again. Just reporting how he is being "criticised" and getting Vince Cable to put the boot in.
They never actually played Boris actually saying his bit just the condemnation of him. The impartial BBC at its best.
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Just got back from a good game of football - Huddersfield 1, Leicester 1. It should have been about 4-3. Huddersfield had a perfectly good goal disallowed - see MOM tonight. Vardy scored from the penalty spot but did not impress otherwise and was substituted.0
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I guess so.geoffw said:
Yebbut, they never learn. It's a blind spot. The more they talk about £350m per week the more they draw attention to the fact of huge payments. Whether net or gross is a side issue, and gross is just as valid as net.CopperSulphate said:The BBC having a go at Boris about the £350m saving again. Just reporting how he is being "criticised" and getting Vince Cable to put the boot in.
They never actually played Boris actually saying his bit just the condemnation of him. The impartial BBC at its best.
But Cable was especially risible by implying Boris was claiming that the EU were going to be paying us in future. It would leave the uninformed listener thinking that there is not currently a transfer of money from the UK to the EU.0 -
Neither would Idixiedean said:
One would hope so. Wouldn't put it past him to bang one in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The irony in Rooney is that he should have been on England duty that fateful weekend.dixiedean said:
See below re our rise up the table. Rooney was our best player prior to his marital troubles (indeed he's our only scorer). Thursday first half was the worst I can remember for 10 years. Lukaku will get a hatful tomorrow if he is on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.Big_G_NorthWales said:If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
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Leicester have had a tough early run too, 4 points from Ars (a) BHA (h) ManU (a) Che (h) and Hud (a). Huddersfield gave us a battering, we stole that point today. Now Liv (h) twice in one week.dixiedean said:
See below re our rise up the table. Rooney was our best player prior to his marital troubles (indeed he's our only scorer). Thursday first half was the worst I can remember for 10 years. Lukaku will get a hatful tomorrow if he is on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.Big_G_NorthWales said:If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
Our last couple of Steve Walsh signings are not up to much, and it sounds as if not so good now for Everton.
I think Shakespeare will be gone by Christmas.0 -
He's only 66. And - compared to say Trump - he appears to be in excellent health.Philip_Thompson said:
Are you being serious?Sean_F said:The next leader ought be John Redwood.
The time for Redwood was about 20 years ago.
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Seems a lot of fuss about Ryanair cancelling barely 2 per cent of their flights. If you book with BA based on experience in recent years you have a good chance that 100 per cent of flights could get cancelled on some days.0
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Ryanair thread on a pilots’ forum: fair to say from the comments there that the issue is they don’t have enough pilots - to the point that they’re offering €10k sign on bonuses to anyone with a 737 Captain’s licence. Pilots are leaving faster than they can be trained.
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Vardy had a groin strain apparently. Shakespeares subs are not tactically astute though, nor his tactics. Mostly Vardy did not get the service.slade said:Just got back from a good game of football - Huddersfield 1, Leicester 1. It should have been about 4-3. Huddersfield had a perfectly good goal disallowed - see MOM tonight. Vardy scored from the penalty spot but did not impress otherwise and was substituted.
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Sounds like the NHS...Sandpit said:Ryanair thread on a pilots’ forum: fair to say from the comments there that the issue is they don’t have enough pilots to the point that they’re offering €10k sign on bonuses to anyone with a 737 Captain’s licence. Pilots are leaving faster than they can be trained.
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I have flown a lot with BA both in Europe and Worldwide and never had a flight cancelled.brendan16 said:Seems a lot of fuss about Ryanair cancelling barely 2 per cent of their flights. If you book with BA based on experience in recent years you have a good chance that 100 per cent of flights could get cancelled on some days.
The news media are really having a go with interviews with passengers stranded in Europe and saying that only next weeks passengers have been told of their cancelled flights. Kicking 378,000 passengers off their planes over the next six weeks is a true 'Ratner' moment.
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The table atm is more a reflection of who you've played. There are 6 teams superior, the rest much of a muchness. Was reading an article about Watford's start in the week, and how they could push for a European place.foxinsoxuk said:
Leicester have had a tough early run too, 4 points from Ars (a) BHA (h) ManU (a) Che (h) and Hud (a). Huddersfield gave us a battering, we stole that point today. Now Liv (h) twice in one week.dixiedean said:
See below re our rise up the table. Rooney was our best player prior to his marital troubles (indeed he's our only scorer). Thursday first half was the worst I can remember for 10 years. Lukaku will get a hatful tomorrow if he is on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.Big_G_NorthWales said:If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
Our last couple of Steve Walsh signings are not up to much, and it sounds as if not so good now for Everton.
I think Shakespeare will be gone by Christmas.
Such ideas died with City today.0
