@Sean_F So pre Brexit Britain was a dystopian hell and we needed to take back control. Post Brexit now the plebs have served their purpose they should shut up and compare themselves favourably with The Niger.
Unfortunately that's note how mobs work Sean. As you are well aware.
Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
@Sean_F So pre Brexit Britain was a dystopian hell and we needed to take back control. Post Brexit now the plebs have served their purpose they should shut up and compare themselves favourably with The Niger.
Unfortunately that's note how mobs work Sean. As you are well aware.
You have a very twisted view of the world.
Says the person who thinks the EU is like the former Yugoslavia...
Wow. Just seen this. James Kirkup is scathing. I was wrong about the real Boris and his real principles. Look at him now. Look today at Boris Johnson, who once proclaimed himself a liberal Tory, and consider how far ambition and the referendum have warped him. Having cast his lot in with the Leavers, he appears to think his only play now is to double down on the worst of Leave’s politics and question the patriotism of those who take a different view. ‘I am troubled with the thought that people are beginning to have genuinely split allegiances,’ Mr Johnson writes of ‘young people’ protesting the decision to leave the EU, adding: ‘A transnational sense of allegiance can weaken the ties between us.’ This isn’t nice. This isn’t funny. This isn’t cuddly or amusing or bumbling. This isn’t even excusable by the fact that Boris is utterly selfish and his principles fluidly subordinate to his career. https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/boriss-nasty-politics-would-hurt-the-tories-and-britain/
Kirkup only states (now) that he has never been a Conservative. When a journalist he implied that he was one.
Kirkup always struck me a conservative of the free-trade libertarian stamp, many of whom the eurosceptic hard Right persuaded to campaign for Brexit. But, as you rightly say, having expended their usefulness they can now be declassified as such. History belongs to the victors after all.
Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
@Richard_Tyndall How is our copper bottomed legal right to maintain EEA membership going ? The copper bottomed right you spent 10 years post on here we had ? Typical Dr Frankenstein moaning now the Brexit monster he created is behaving badly.
Surely Richard would never have been that naive. I can't quite recall what form his 'preferred option' took, but I'll swear it wasn't that. It couldn't have been.
Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?
Best leader the left ever had who thrice defeated the Tories, what a shame he never had the cojones to sack Gordon.
This is the electorate who will choose who succeeds TM.
72 year olds.
For the average Tory to be six years older than they were 2 years ago, either youngest Tories are leaving in droves (Remainers?) or very elderly to be joining (Leavers?). My money is on the former.
It is going to be a real problem getting ground troops out next GE.
This is the electorate who will choose who succeeds TM.
72 year olds.
For the average Tory to be six years older than they were 2 years ago, either youngest Tories are leaving in droves (Remainers?) or very elderly to be joining (Leavers?). My money is on the former.
It is going to be a real problem getting ground troops out next GE.
@Sean_F So pre Brexit Britain was a dystopian hell and we needed to take back control. Post Brexit now the plebs have served their purpose they should shut up and compare themselves favourably with The Niger.
Unfortunately that's note how mobs work Sean. As you are well aware.
You have a very twisted view of the world.
Says the person who thinks the EU is like the former Yugoslavia...
Nope. I said it would become like that. I know it is hard for you to stop lying as you are a Eurofanatic and it is built into your whole psyche but do try at least to control it on here.
@Richard_Tyndall How is our copper bottomed legal right to maintain EEA membership going ? The copper bottomed right you spent 10 years post on here we had ? Typical Dr Frankenstein moaning now the Brexit monster he created is behaving badly.
Surely Richard would never have been that naive. I can't quite recall what form his 'preferred option' took, but I'll swear it wasn't that. It couldn't have been.
While Richard preferred (from memory) EEA I'm pretty sure (also from memory) he recognised that the Vote Leave campaign were ruling it out and he'd still prefer totally out than remain in the EU.
@Richard_Tyndall How is our copper bottomed legal right to maintain EEA membership going ? The copper bottomed right you spent 10 years post on here we had ? Typical Dr Frankenstein moaning now the Brexit monster he created is behaving badly.
Not at all. Legally I still believe that is the case. Unfortunately those in charge have not chosen to pursue that and I regret it. Not least because it will cost me £100 to Richard Nabavi if that is not the final outcome. But it doesn't change anything about legality or otherwise.
Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?
Probably a higher opinion than yours ha ha.
Blair is hated for what he did, Boris is hated for...what exactly? Being posh, a Tory and successful. It's like kryptonite to the left.
The problem for the Tories is that the cabinet is a rogues gallery of unelectables. Choosing Gove as leader would be suicidal. Not only have his ideas and approach made him deeply unpopular with millions of voters, but he has the misfortune of having a face and image which makes him the Mr Bean of British politics. Boris Johnson is a buffoon. Rees Mogg is a cartoon patrician aristocrat, David Davis is a weary old approaching septuanarian, and Amber Rudd is a strident martinet whose name sounds like a traffic light changing colour.
All of them would lead to a minority Corbyn government. The Tories need to look to that Unknown backbencher who will save the Tory party from this bunch of grotesques.
The point about Gove's weirdness is underrated - mainly because unlike say, Ed Miliband, he and his wife are very friendly with many of those who are responsible for the most poisonous caricatures of politicians. At Westminster dinner parties he's a heavyweight intellectual, outside he's the unpleasant oily geek from the University Conservative Association - Leslie Titmuss made flesh. Unfair perhaps, but then it was on Ed Miliband - public images are. It would be suicide to elect Gove as he's reviled by the younger, social liberals the Tories need to attract to put Corbyn back in his box and he's just too strange to do the ordinary bloke populism that could win the Tories more socially conservative voters. Boris can at least do the latter, even if rather like in Blair's overly sincere demeanour, it's now seen as an affectation.
They're in a right mess. Anyone with crossover appeal will be vetoed by the Brexit fundamentalist fruitcake wing of the party, and those left all seem to have been genetically engineers to make Corbyn-sceptics think he may not be so bad after all.
This is a very important factor to consider when betting on next con leader.
Leadsom or Mogg (or similar) might well surprise against Boris, Gove or one of the other of Daves social liberals, regardless of how brexitty they are.
Hammond might end up as the inoffensive compromise candidate. David Davis ticks the right boxes among the fruitcakes, too.
@Richard_Tyndall How is our copper bottomed legal right to maintain EEA membership going ? The copper bottomed right you spent 10 years post on here we had ? Typical Dr Frankenstein moaning now the Brexit monster he created is behaving badly.
Surely Richard would never have been that naive. I can't quite recall what form his 'preferred option' took, but I'll swear it wasn't that. It couldn't have been.
While Richard preferred (from memory) EEA I'm pretty sure (also from memory) he recognised that the Vote Leave campaign were ruling it out and he'd still prefer totally out than remain in the EU.
Yep that was always my position. Out in the EEA would be best - of course that is because I am in favour of free movement. Out under any other arrangement would be fine although suggestions that we should stay in the Customs Union are very dumb. Staying in would be the very worst result.
This is the electorate who will choose who succeeds TM.
72 year olds.
For the average Tory to be six years older than they were 2 years ago, either youngest Tories are leaving in droves (Remainers?) or very elderly to be joining (Leavers?). My money is on the former.
It is going to be a real problem getting ground troops out next GE.
Or the overwhelming majority of voters are not members of any political party - assume even with Corbyn's members the total of members belonging to political parties does not exceed one million out of 65 million. Also the next GE will be a social media event as much as door knocking
I wonder where these figures come from. The last published figure that I can find is 2013, at 130 000.
Social Media did not do it for the Tories last time, and while I agree non members do help, the Tory pluto-gerontocracy does not bode well for ground level intelligence next time.
Indeed Vince has set the target of becoming the second biggest party.
Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?
Best leader the left ever had who thrice defeated the Tories, what a shame he never had the cojones to sack Gordon.
Little point in defeating the Tories if he then continues the Thatcherite agenda - he was well to the Right of people like Macmillan, Butler, Macleod, Heath , Maudling et all. And that's before taking account of his 'war criminal' status in a just world!
@Richard_Tyndall How is our copper bottomed legal right to maintain EEA membership going ? The copper bottomed right you spent 10 years post on here we had ? Typical Dr Frankenstein moaning now the Brexit monster he created is behaving badly.
Surely Richard would never have been that naive. I can't quite recall what form his 'preferred option' took, but I'll swear it wasn't that. It couldn't have been.
Nope. Richard spent 10 years on here arguing we'd have Grandparents *rights* to remain in the EEA no matter what the rEU said or wanted and that we should use these rights. The first part is clearly rubbish. The second part makes him on the extreme europhile wing of British politics as it's now defined.
Goodness knows how many things I've been wrong about recently but it's about humility. If Richard is baring out personal insults it's fair for me to point out he's spent 10 years being wrong about us having grandparent rights to remain in the EEA.
Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?
Best leader the left ever had who thrice defeated the Tories, what a shame he never had the cojones to sack Gordon.
But also someone who struggles to get a fair hearing these days because so many people regard him as toxic. Boris's past electoral success does not make him immune...
This is the electorate who will choose who succeeds TM.
72 year olds.
For the average Tory to be six years older than they were 2 years ago, either youngest Tories are leaving in droves (Remainers?) or very elderly to be joining (Leavers?). My money is on the former.
It is going to be a real problem getting ground troops out next GE.
Or the overwhelming majority of voters are not members of any political party - assume even with Corbyn's members the total of members belonging to political parties does not exceed one million out of 65 million. Also the next GE will be a social media event as much as door knocking
I wonder where these figures come from. The last published figure that I can find is 2013, at 130 000.
Social Media did not do it for the Tories last time, and while I agree non members do help, the Tory pluto-gerontocracy does not bode well for ground level intelligence next time.
Indeed Vince has set the target of becoming the second biggest party.
Mass door to door canvassing (backed by years of data to compare it with) is the gold standard, but it's rare in most constituencies, now. Mass leafletting is still feasible, along with ensuring the candidate has a good show of supporters, when greeting voters.
Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?
Probably a higher opinion than yours ha ha.
Blair is hated for what he did, Boris is hated for...what exactly? Being posh, a Tory and successful. It's like kryptonite to the left.
I don't think many people hate Johnson. They might despise him however. He doesn't have anything going for him apart from his apparent charm. The risk is that he just bored people.
@Richard_Tyndall There you go again being rude and abusive. If you are right then a ' no deal ' Brexit would be an EEA Brexit not a WTO Brexit. But you aren't right.
This is the electorate who will choose who succeeds TM.
72 year olds.
For the average Tory to be six years older than they were 2 years ago, either youngest Tories are leaving in droves (Remainers?) or very elderly to be joining (Leavers?). My money is on the former.
It is going to be a real problem getting ground troops out next GE.
Or the overwhelming majority of voters are not members of any political party - assume even with Corbyn's members the total of members belonging to political parties does not exceed one million out of 65 million. Also the next GE will be a social media event as much as door knocking
I wonder where these figures come from. The last published figure that I can find is 2013, at 130 000.
Social Media did not do it for the Tories last time, and while I agree non members do help, the Tory pluto-gerontocracy does not bode well for ground level intelligence next time.
Indeed Vince has set the target of becoming the second biggest party.
I do believe their is a large number of non member conservatives (like myself until recently) who turn out at election campaigns. Indeed in the campaigns I was very active in probably more non members than members were involved
@Sean_F So pre Brexit Britain was a dystopian hell and we needed to take back control. Post Brexit now the plebs have served their purpose they should shut up and compare themselves favourably with The Niger.
Unfortunately that's note how mobs work Sean. As you are well aware.
You have a very twisted view of the world.
Says the person who thinks the EU is like the former Yugoslavia...
Nope. I said it would become like that. I know it is hard for you to stop lying as you are a Eurofanatic and it is built into your whole psyche but do try at least to control it on here.
It's a comparison you've made so frequently it's not hard to find examples. As I pointed out to you at the time, the EU will soon have outlived Yugoslavia without becoming like it, so perhaps you should consider the possibility that they are just fundamentally different entities.
In practical terms it is a federal state in a constant state of near failure because of the inherent stresses caused by forcing people together. It is Yugoslavia on a continental scale.
This is the electorate who will choose who succeeds TM.
72 year olds.
For the average Tory to be six years older than they were 2 years ago, either youngest Tories are leaving in droves (Remainers?) or very elderly to be joining (Leavers?). My money is on the former.
It is going to be a real problem getting ground troops out next GE.
Or the overwhelming majority of voters are not members of any political party - assume even with Corbyn's members the total of members belonging to political parties does not exceed one million out of 65 million. Also the next GE will be a social media event as much as door knocking
I wonder where these figures come from. The last published figure that I can find is 2013, at 130 000.
Social Media did not do it for the Tories last time, and while I agree non members do help, the Tory pluto-gerontocracy does not bode well for ground level intelligence next time.
Indeed Vince has set the target of becoming the second biggest party.
It's rare to find a remainer who is not so blinded by their fury with Boris that they can't really see straight. Of course, this includes most of those comprising the European and US political and diplomatic establishments, as well as remainer Tories at home, and it must make for a very strange world for him to live in.
Meh the whinging about Boris is comically overblown by Labour and remainer losers. He's a winner managing twice in lefty London and his intervention winning Brexit, so it's no wonder his opponents can't stand him.
What's your opinion of Tony Blair?
Probably a higher opinion than yours ha ha.
Blair is hated for what he did, Boris is hated for...what exactly? Being posh, a Tory and successful. It's like kryptonite to the left.
I don't think many people hate Johnson. They might despise him however. He doesn't have anything going for him apart from his apparent charm. The risk is that he just bored people.
I think one thing that Boris doesn't have to worry about is being considered boring.
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.
This isn't House of Cards. We needn't let a pound shop Frank Underwood like Boris destroy the governments of two consecutive Prime Ministers so he can inherit the Crown without an election. Followed by a false flag WTO Brexit where he tries to get a majority amidst the ensuing chaos by running on a jingoistic platform as yet unseen.
It's time for Conservative MPs to do what they exist for and seem to have given up on. To act conservatively. To restore order and approach Brexit as a serious and long term socioeconomic project. Not an ink blot for ***** like Boris to project their Id onto.
Maybe in all this May will prove to be the serious politician
This isn't House of Cards. We needn't let a pound shop Frank Underwood like Boris destroy the governments of two consecutive Prime Ministers so he can inherit the Crown without an election. Followed by a false flag WTO Brexit where he tries to get a majority amidst the ensuing chaos by running on a jingoistic platform as yet unseen.
It's time for Conservative MPs to do what they exist for and seem to have given up on. To act conservatively. To restore order and approach Brexit as a serious and long term socioeconomic project. Not an ink blot for ***** like Boris to project their Id onto.
Maybe in all this May will prove to be the serious politician
G, she has already proved herself to be useless.
Hi Malc - maybe but for Brexit it is difficult to see past her at present
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.
Think it is more statutory holidays - but whatever it is, it is not customer relations and his Company are getting terrible press
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.
it's still a humungus screw up up over 100,000 disaatisfied customers
This is a very important factor to consider when betting on next con leader.
Leadsom or Mogg (or similar) might well surprise against Boris, Gove or one of the other of Daves social liberals, regardless of how brexitty they are.
Hammond might end up as the inoffensive compromise candidate. David Davis ticks the right boxes among the fruitcakes, too.
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.
it's still a humungus screw up up over 100,000 disaatisfied customers
OLeary's sod you pastiche will only make it worse
9,000 a day for 6 weeks = 378,000 (three hundred and seventy eight thousand furious passengers)
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.
Think it is more statutory holidays - but whatever it is, it is not customer relations and his Company are getting terrible press
According to the Irish Times:
"Disbelief and outrage greeted the news from Ryanair that it had cancelled the flights deliberately to improve punctuality and allocate leave to staff. It seems it is changing how leave is allocated from April to March to the calendar year January to December.
The fact that punctuality has fallen to below 80 per cent in the first two weeks of September has caused consternation. Always proud of its punctuality, it has been hit by air traffic control strikes, capacity delays, weather disruption and increased holiday allocations to pilots and cabin crew."
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.
it's still a humungus screw up up over 100,000 disaatisfied customers
OLeary's sod you pastiche will only make it worse
9,000 a day for 6 weeks = 378,000 (three hundred and seventy eight thousand furious passengers)
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.
Yep, they’ve not got enough crews to fly the planes.
The reporting of it mentioned holidays, but FTL restrictions seem more likely. From memory for pilots in the EU it’s 100 hours per rolling calendar month, and 900 hours per rolling calendar year - so it's quite possible for pilots to be maxed out around now and have to be put on leave until Christmas. Cabin crew have slightly less onerous restrictions but love the overtime.
Edit: @foxinsoxuk’s Irish Times link suggests there may be a holiday issue - but due to their own internal re-org. A mess completely of their own making.
The thing with Ryanair is everyone has always known the product/service is crap but they don't care because they get cheep flights so this is one of those situations where its probably not possible to "Ratner" the company is it's crapness is already factored in.
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.
Makes sense. Ryanair work with no margin, so they don't have any choice really apart from cancelling flights. I read that O Leary runs his airline on just two metrics. Load factor and punctuality. He gets his secretary to print out those two statistics for each flight each day. If they meet those two targets everything falls into place.
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.
Makes sense. Ryanair work with no margin, so they don't have any choice really apart from cancelling flights. I read that O Leary runs his airline on just two metrics. Load factor and punctuality. He gets his secretary to print out those two statistics for each flight each day. If they meet those two targets everything falls into place.
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
Think O'Leary has just given his company the 'Ratner' treatment.
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
It will be flight time limits. Flight crew have statutory limits on the number of hours they can fly per day, week and year. Ryanair run these to the limit so they can pay their pilots well but still get more out of them. I'm not sure if this is a miscalculation or a deliberate calculation to maximise profitability.
Yes, that is why it is happening at the end of the summertime, delays over the summer have pushed them over the limit.
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.
Makes sense. Ryanair work with no margin, so they don't have any choice really apart from cancelling flights. I read that O Leary runs his airline on just two metrics. Load factor and punctuality. He gets his secretary to print out those two statistics for each flight each day. If they meet those two targets everything falls into place.
Ryanair's margins were 22% last year, which is very healthy. O'Leary could easily afford to recruit more staff if he wanted to.
One experience of flying with Ryanair was enough for me.
Once too often here - took 11 hours to get back from Italy......I often find the 'full service' (that were) carriers are as cheap or cheaper once you've added on all the extras.....
The thing with Ryanair is everyone has always known the product/service is crap but they don't care because they get cheep flights so this is one of those situations where its probably not possible to "Ratner" the company is it's crapness is already factored in.
Unfortunately.
Our Greek and Iberian staff often fly back to family via Ryanair for long weekends. Usually Ryanair are rude but cheap and reliable.
Lack of reliability is worse than punctuality for their market. They need to do some quick work notifying cancellations. It is a Ratner moment*
*Mrs Fox's engagement ring is from Ratners, but I was just qualified, and skint. She has done alright since to make up!
The problem for the Tories is that the cabinet is a rogues gallery of unelectables. Choosing Gove as leader would be suicidal. Not only have his ideas and approach made him deeply unpopular with millions of voters, but he has the misfortune of having a face and image which makes him the Mr Bean of British politics. Boris Johnson is a buffoon. Rees Mogg is a cartoon patrician aristocrat, David Davis is a weary old approaching septuanarian, and Amber Rudd is a strident martinet whose name sounds like a traffic light changing colour.
All of them would lead to a minority Corbyn government. The Tories need to look to that Unknown backbencher who will save the Tory party from this bunch of grotesques.
No, there are a number of very capable Ministers of State, who promoted to Cabinet and given a higher profile, would be well-suited as PM and re-election in 2022.
Can you name some of them.
Brandon Lewis, Anne Milton, Dominic Raab, Esther McVey (attended Cabinet until she lost her seat in 2015) for a start.
One experience of flying with Ryanair was enough for me.
Once too often here - took 11 hours to get back from Italy......I often find the 'full service' (that were) carriers are as cheap or cheaper once you've added on all the extras.....
The thing with Ryanair is everyone has always known the product/service is crap but they don't care because they get cheep flights so this is one of those situations where its probably not possible to "Ratner" the company is it's crapness is already factored in.
Unfortunately.
Our Greek and Iberian staff often fly back to family via Ryanair for long weekends. Usually Ryanair are rude but cheap and reliable.
Lack of reliability is worse than punctuality for their market. They need to do some quick work notifying cancellations. It is a Ratner moment*
*Mrs Fox's engagement ring is from Ratners, but I was just qualified, and skint. She has done alright since to make up!
I know how much junior doctors get paid so can quite believe it. The trouble is the usual suspects on here will still think you were being overpaid massively. You can do this think if you run several planes a day, just about get away with it if a daily service. I hope that people remember one of the many benefits of EU membership and claim for all that they can.
So mich for terrorism not letting terrorism change our lives.
(I do agree it was oddly timed, wouldn't surprise me if the Telegraph had no contingency)
The tweet she's replying to says, "'No 10 have to be mindful of not putting Boris in an impossible position' warns Tory ahead of May's Florence speech,"
Kwasi Kwarteng in 18 months. He comes across very well and I would think would be a trump card in the culture wars that the left are currently winning.
So mich for terrorism not letting terrorism change our lives.
(I do agree it was oddly timed, wouldn't surprise me if the Telegraph had no contingency)
The tweet she's replying to says, "'No 10 have to be mindful of not putting Boris in an impossible position' warns Tory ahead of May's Florence speech,"
The thing with Ryanair is everyone has always known the product/service is crap but they don't care because they get cheep flights so this is one of those situations where its probably not possible to "Ratner" the company is it's crapness is already factored in.
Unfortunately.
Our Greek and Iberian staff often fly back to family via Ryanair for long weekends. Usually Ryanair are rude but cheap and reliable.
Lack of reliability is worse than punctuality for their market. They need to do some quick work notifying cancellations. It is a Ratner moment*
*Mrs Fox's engagement ring is from Ratners, but I was just qualified, and skint. She has done alright since to make up!
I fly with Ryanair a fair bit. If you want to go direct from Edinburgh airport your options are easyJet and Ryanair mainly. I have never had a problem with them. In general Ryanair is an efficient airline, punctual, with new planes and they get you from A to Be with relatively little hassle as long as you play along with their system. But that lack of dependability does worry me.
The thing with Ryanair is everyone has always known the product/service is crap but they don't care because they get cheep flights so this is one of those situations where its probably not possible to "Ratner" the company is it's crapness is already factored in.
Unfortunately.
Our Greek and Iberian staff often fly back to family via Ryanair for long weekends. Usually Ryanair are rude but cheap and reliable.
Lack of reliability is worse than punctuality for their market. They need to do some quick work notifying cancellations. It is a Ratner moment*
*Mrs Fox's engagement ring is from Ratners, but I was just qualified, and skint. She has done alright since to make up!
I fly with Ryanair a fair bit. If you want to go direct from Edinburgh airport your options are easyJet and Ryanair mainly. I have never had a problem with them. In general Ryanair is an efficient airline, punctual, with new planes and they get you from A to Be with relatively little hassle as long as you play along with their system. But that lack of dependability does worry me.
Apparently the passengers receive a text cancelling the flight with a refund offer. Significantly it is alleged they make no reference to statutory compensation rights over and above any refund which is due
The thing with Ryanair is everyone has always known the product/service is crap but they don't care because they get cheep flights so this is one of those situations where its probably not possible to "Ratner" the company is it's crapness is already factored in.
Unfortunately.
Our Greek and Iberian staff often fly back to family via Ryanair for long weekends. Usually Ryanair are rude but cheap and reliable.
Lack of reliability is worse than punctuality for their market. They need to do some quick work notifying cancellations. It is a Ratner moment*
*Mrs Fox's engagement ring is from Ratners, but I was just qualified, and skint. She has done alright since to make up!
I fly with Ryanair a fair bit. If you want to go direct from Edinburgh airport your options are easyJet and Ryanair mainly. I have never had a problem with them. In general Ryanair is an efficient airline, punctual, with new planes and they get you from A to Be with relatively little hassle as long as you play along with their system. But that lack of dependability does worry me.
Apparently the passengers receive a text cancelling the flight with a refund offer. Significantly it is alleged they make no reference to statutory compensation rights over and above any refund which is due
a less than happy customer comments
"Now hotel are fully paid and too late to cancel, tickets to Museums bought and bus tickets bought. And they knew this was coming
"They won't even give a reason for cancellation. Probably claim it was beyond their control"
So mich for terrorism not letting terrorism change our lives.
(I do agree it was oddly timed, wouldn't surprise me if the Telegraph had no contingency)
The tweet she's replying to says, "'No 10 have to be mindful of not putting Boris in an impossible position' warns Tory ahead of May's Florence speech,"
Betfair have voided their Catalan Independence Referendum market.
Why has it been stopped
I think they are 'frit'. The reason given was "Due to wanting to comply with our Spanish regulators and the uncertainty surrounding the Catalan referendum, the decision has been made to void the above market on site."
So mich for terrorism not letting terrorism change our lives.
(I do agree it was oddly timed, wouldn't surprise me if the Telegraph had no contingency)
The tweet she's replying to says, "'No 10 have to be mindful of not putting Boris in an impossible position' warns Tory ahead of May's Florence speech,"
If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.
If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.
And you can have a good laugh at Liverpool dropping points at home to Burnley. Again.
If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.
And you can have a good laugh at Liverpool dropping points at home to Burnley. Again.
Bournemouth, Burnley at home, Brighton away are the next 3 after United. If we are still below halfway after them will be the time to panic!
If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.
And you can have a good laugh at Liverpool dropping points at home to Burnley. Again.
Bournemouth, Burnley at home, Brighton away are the next 3 after United. If we are still below halfway after them will be the time to panic!
If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
See below re our rise up the table. Rooney was our best player prior to his marital troubles (indeed he's our only scorer). Thursday first half was the worst I can remember for 10 years. Lukaku will get a hatful tomorrow if he is on it.
If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
See below re our rise up the table. Rooney was our best player prior to his marital troubles (indeed he's our only scorer). Thursday first half was the worst I can remember for 10 years. Lukaku will get a hatful tomorrow if he is on it.
The irony in Rooney is that he should have been on England duty that fateful weekend.
Mind you, he should get a great ovation at Old Trafford tomorrow
If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
See below re our rise up the table. Rooney was our best player prior to his marital troubles (indeed he's our only scorer). Thursday first half was the worst I can remember for 10 years. Lukaku will get a hatful tomorrow if he is on it.
The irony in Rooney is that he should have been on England duty that fateful weekend.
Mind you, he should get a great ovation at Old Trafford tomorrow
One would hope so. Wouldn't put it past him to bang one in.
The BBC having a go at Boris about the £350m saving again. Just reporting how he is being "criticised" and getting Vince Cable to put the boot in.
They never actually played Boris actually saying his bit just the condemnation of him. The impartial BBC at its best.
Yebbut, they never learn. It's a blind spot. The more they talk about £350m per week the more they draw attention to the fact of huge payments. Whether net or gross is a side issue, and gross is just as valid as net.
Just got back from a good game of football - Huddersfield 1, Leicester 1. It should have been about 4-3. Huddersfield had a perfectly good goal disallowed - see MOM tonight. Vardy scored from the penalty spot but did not impress otherwise and was substituted.
The BBC having a go at Boris about the £350m saving again. Just reporting how he is being "criticised" and getting Vince Cable to put the boot in.
They never actually played Boris actually saying his bit just the condemnation of him. The impartial BBC at its best.
Yebbut, they never learn. It's a blind spot. The more they talk about £350m per week the more they draw attention to the fact of huge payments. Whether net or gross is a side issue, and gross is just as valid as net.
I guess so.
But Cable was especially risible by implying Boris was claiming that the EU were going to be paying us in future. It would leave the uninformed listener thinking that there is not currently a transfer of money from the UK to the EU.
If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
See below re our rise up the table. Rooney was our best player prior to his marital troubles (indeed he's our only scorer). Thursday first half was the worst I can remember for 10 years. Lukaku will get a hatful tomorrow if he is on it.
The irony in Rooney is that he should have been on England duty that fateful weekend.
Mind you, he should get a great ovation at Old Trafford tomorrow
One would hope so. Wouldn't put it past him to bang one in.
If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
See below re our rise up the table. Rooney was our best player prior to his marital troubles (indeed he's our only scorer). Thursday first half was the worst I can remember for 10 years. Lukaku will get a hatful tomorrow if he is on it.
Leicester have had a tough early run too, 4 points from Ars (a) BHA (h) ManU (a) Che (h) and Hud (a). Huddersfield gave us a battering, we stole that point today. Now Liv (h) twice in one week.
Our last couple of Steve Walsh signings are not up to much, and it sounds as if not so good now for Everton.
Seems a lot of fuss about Ryanair cancelling barely 2 per cent of their flights. If you book with BA based on experience in recent years you have a good chance that 100 per cent of flights could get cancelled on some days.
Ryanair thread on a pilots’ forum: fair to say from the comments there that the issue is they don’t have enough pilots - to the point that they’re offering €10k sign on bonuses to anyone with a 737 Captain’s licence. Pilots are leaving faster than they can be trained.
Just got back from a good game of football - Huddersfield 1, Leicester 1. It should have been about 4-3. Huddersfield had a perfectly good goal disallowed - see MOM tonight. Vardy scored from the penalty spot but did not impress otherwise and was substituted.
Vardy had a groin strain apparently. Shakespeares subs are not tactically astute though, nor his tactics. Mostly Vardy did not get the service.
Huddersfield at home is going to be a tough fixture, away perhaps not. My handicap win prediction though.
Ryanair thread on a pilots’ forum: fair to say from the comments there that the issue is they don’t have enough pilots to the point that they’re offering €10k sign on bonuses to anyone with a 737 Captain’s licence. Pilots are leaving faster than they can be trained.
Seems a lot of fuss about Ryanair cancelling barely 2 per cent of their flights. If you book with BA based on experience in recent years you have a good chance that 100 per cent of flights could get cancelled on some days.
I have flown a lot with BA both in Europe and Worldwide and never had a flight cancelled.
The news media are really having a go with interviews with passengers stranded in Europe and saying that only next weeks passengers have been told of their cancelled flights. Kicking 378,000 passengers off their planes over the next six weeks is a true 'Ratner' moment.
The media are also saying that many will never book flights with them again
If United beat Everton tomorrow by three goals Everton are in the relegation zone would you believe
Indeed. Although it should be noted (while no excuse for our performances), that we will have played United, City, Chelsea and Spurs in our first 5 games, 3 of them away. We are actually only a couple of points below a par score.
Yes but Rooney cannot have helped, neither the mid week Europa match.
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
See below re our rise up the table. Rooney was our best player prior to his marital troubles (indeed he's our only scorer). Thursday first half was the worst I can remember for 10 years. Lukaku will get a hatful tomorrow if he is on it.
Leicester have had a tough early run too, 4 points from Ars (a) BHA (h) ManU (a) Che (h) and Hud (a). Huddersfield gave us a battering, we stole that point today. Now Liv (h) twice in one week.
Our last couple of Steve Walsh signings are not up to much, and it sounds as if not so good now for Everton.
I think Shakespeare will be gone by Christmas.
The table atm is more a reflection of who you've played. There are 6 teams superior, the rest much of a muchness. Was reading an article about Watford's start in the week, and how they could push for a European place. Such ideas died with City today.
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http://www.core-econ.org/the-economy/book/text/01.html#13-historys-hockey-stick-growth-in-income
Gove is too unpopular unfortunately.
Try again loser.
Blair is hated for what he did, Boris is hated for...what exactly? Being posh, a Tory and successful. It's like kryptonite to the left.
They're in a right mess. Anyone with crossover appeal will be vetoed by the Brexit fundamentalist fruitcake wing of the party, and those left all seem to have been genetically engineers to make Corbyn-sceptics think he may not be so bad after all.
Leadsom or Mogg (or similar) might well surprise against Boris, Gove or one of the other of Daves social liberals, regardless of how brexitty they are.
Hammond might end up as the inoffensive compromise candidate. David Davis ticks the right boxes among the fruitcakes, too.
Social Media did not do it for the Tories last time, and while I agree non members do help, the Tory pluto-gerontocracy does not bode well for ground level intelligence next time.
Indeed Vince has set the target of becoming the second biggest party.
Goodness knows how many things I've been wrong about recently but it's about humility. If Richard is baring out personal insults it's fair for me to point out he's spent 10 years being wrong about us having grandparent rights to remain in the EEA.
it's rare in most constituencies, now. Mass leafletting is still feasible, along with ensuring the candidate has a good show of supporters, when greeting voters.
I'm waiting for David Davis to come out and say O Leary is a vegetable who shoildnt be left in charge of an airline
How on earth can he cancel 50 flights a day (9,000) passengers over six weeks to give his staff holidays
He is getting terrible headlines in the media
I have flown a lot over the last few years but if I had any thought of using Ryanair his actions today have extinguished that
Branson gets his house blown down and Oleary flies like a dodo
Bad publicity, Ryanair have never been good on service, but have been good on reliability.
OLeary's sod you pastiche will only make it worse
"Disbelief and outrage greeted the news from Ryanair that it had cancelled the flights deliberately to improve punctuality and allocate leave to staff. It seems it is changing how leave is allocated from April to March to the calendar year January to December.
The fact that punctuality has fallen to below 80 per cent in the first two weeks of September has caused consternation. Always proud of its punctuality, it has been hit by air traffic control strikes, capacity delays, weather disruption and increased holiday allocations to pilots and cabin crew."
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-flight-cancellations-what-you-need-to-know-1.3222837#sst
Bad planning and logistics.
The reporting of it mentioned holidays, but FTL restrictions seem more likely. From memory for pilots in the EU it’s 100 hours per rolling calendar month, and 900 hours per rolling calendar year - so it's quite possible for pilots to be maxed out around now and have to be put on leave until Christmas. Cabin crew have slightly less onerous restrictions but love the overtime.
Edit: @foxinsoxuk’s Irish Times link suggests there may be a holiday issue - but due to their own internal re-org. A mess completely of their own making.
Unfortunately.
# paddies cant run airlines
NSFW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6pj3Fdbwng
Lack of reliability is worse than punctuality for their market. They need to do some quick work notifying cancellations. It is a Ratner moment*
*Mrs Fox's engagement ring is from Ratners, but I was just qualified, and skint. She has done alright since to make up!
(I do agree it was oddly timed, wouldn't surprise me if the Telegraph had no contingency)
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/854987/Catalonia-referendum-2017-Spain-Catalan-independence-vote-police-raid-search
"Now hotel are fully paid and too late to cancel, tickets to Museums bought and bus tickets bought. And they knew this was coming
"They won't even give a reason for cancellation. Probably claim it was beyond their control"
I fear the whole situation in Catalonia is about to take a turn somewhat for the worse.
Hope they lose tomorrow but thereafter rise up past Liverpool
They never actually played Boris actually saying his bit just the condemnation of him. The impartial BBC at its best.
Mind you, he should get a great ovation at Old Trafford tomorrow
But Cable was especially risible by implying Boris was claiming that the EU were going to be paying us in future. It would leave the uninformed listener thinking that there is not currently a transfer of money from the UK to the EU.
Our last couple of Steve Walsh signings are not up to much, and it sounds as if not so good now for Everton.
I think Shakespeare will be gone by Christmas.
However, I think it unlikely he will stand for leader.
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearment/599355-ryanair-cancelling-flights.html
Huddersfield at home is going to be a tough fixture, away perhaps not. My handicap win prediction though.
The news media are really having a go with interviews with passengers stranded in Europe and saying that only next weeks passengers have been told of their cancelled flights. Kicking 378,000 passengers off their planes over the next six weeks is a true 'Ratner' moment.
The media are also saying that many will never book flights with them again
Such ideas died with City today.