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While all the focus has been on the Tory leadership there’s been a shake up in the Next LAB leader market after a report from Paul Waugh at HuffPost. He wrote:
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A good link, thank you. It seems that LeCarre has now reached the twilight stage in his career where instead of inventing new characters he revisits old ones. To adopt a film metaphor, if "A Legacy of Spies" is his "Prometheus", I will be pleased, but if it's his "Alien: Covenant"...well, let us draw a kindly veil...CarlottaVance said:Le Carre & Mackintyre on, among other things, Trump:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/books/review/john-le-carre-ben-macintyre-british-spy-thrillers.html?smid=tw-share&referer=https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2017/08/donald-trump-russia-putin/amp
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Yep ... whatever Lola Len wants, Lola Len gets.0
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For anyone interested in backing La Thornberry, she is available at stand-out odds of 14/1 from little known "Sports Winner" which is twice the odds of 7/1 offered by the likes of Bet365 and a similar price of 7.8/1 net from the Betfair Exchange.
As ever, check out the best value with Oddschecker.0 -
Another one bites the dust in SLAB.
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/902755697871478785
Dugdale goes, whose up to lead Labour in Scotland?0 -
@JamieRoss7: Two people being tipped as the next leader to me: Richard Leonard and Alex Rowley. A S Lab source says either would be "a fucking disaster".0
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FPT:
On a non-political note, would anyone like to join me at this? It's basically about the Red Cross's work to reunite familie who have been divided by war or disasters or who have simplly lost touch with someone who may have been detained. I know a bit about their work in this area and it's truly wonderful when it works.
And the event looks fun:
https://allevents.in/london/day-of-the-disappeared-benefit-concert/279767592504064
Going with a couple of friends, but would be nice to see some PB faces.
Or, if you can't come but would like to support it:
https://www.justgiving.com/campaigns/charity/redcross/dayofthedisappeared20170 -
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Emily Thornberry is being a very helpful constituency MP for me right now, so I won't have a word said against her.0
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I put a few quid on Thornberry a while ago. Can't remember the odds.0
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On North Korea I think Kim Jong In.might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers619 said:0 -
Well, aint that so. Not given the send off of our last CoE, that's for sure.Scott_P said:0 -
Thornberry: Just what we need - a working class woman from the northern Labour heartlands.
Kez: Scottish Labour has turned a corner under he leadership - but we couldn't really have sunk any lower. It will be interesting to see where the new leader fits on the party spectrum, and this could be a pointer to the next UK Labour leader.0 -
Good to see Emily's price come in, lays her some more. Labour's Hillary Clinton, complete with her own 'Deplorables' comments.0
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Good morning, everyone.
Surprised Dugdale's gone. I hope her replacement isn't a barking mad far left loon.
The state of British politics. O tempora, o mores!0 -
Yes when she took the reins Labour were 2nd party in Scotland, she had two elections and led Labour to 3rd place in both, a towering giant of a politician.SandyRentool said:Thornberry: Just what we need - a working class woman from the northern Labour heartlands.
Kez: Scottish Labour has turned a corner under he leadership - but we couldn't really have sunk any lower. It will be interesting to see where the new leader fits on the party spectrum, and this could be a pointer to the next UK Labour leader.
What absolute donkey from the rag tag bunch of losers the Scottish regional office have left will pick up the merde baton and head for a thrashing.0 -
The story about Russian propaganda on Twitter has reached the Times:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-twitter-users-deceived-by-russian-agent-david-jones-bv0c2ssj50 -
Thornberry puts in admirably combatative performances, and I am a little in the Green on her.
My book on this is also a bit of a mess. Too many plausible candidates over the years, but no sign of a contest. I am not topping up.0 -
Totally and utterly O/t.... dunno, is it .... lack of planning and forethought comes into it, .......but in the Guardian today Tim Dowling is complaining that he’s yet to find a parking meter which will take the new £1 coins
(https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/30/cynical-leave-campaign-bet-against-brexit-ac-grayling)
Nor, incidentally, do they work in supermarket trolleys!0 -
While Trump and the Russians seems under investigation, the support that Putin gave for UKIP then Brexit in this little thread is quite thought provoking.williamglenn said:The story about Russian propaganda on Twitter has reached the Times:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-twitter-users-deceived-by-russian-agent-david-jones-bv0c2ssj5
https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/9010025405312942090 -
This one showing a busy troll over time for example:foxinsoxuk said:
While Trump and the Russians seems under investigation, the support that Putin gave for UKIP then Brexit in this little thread is quite thought provoking.williamglenn said:The story about Russian propaganda on Twitter has reached the Times:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-twitter-users-deceived-by-russian-agent-david-jones-bv0c2ssj5
https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/901002540531294209
https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/9001597649524695060 -
They work in Sainsbury's and M&S in ScotlandOldKingCole said:Totally and utterly O/t.... dunno, is it .... lack of planning and forethought comes into it, .......but in the Guardian today Tim Dowling is complaining that he’s yet to find a parking meter which will take the new £1 coins
(https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/30/cynical-leave-campaign-bet-against-brexit-ac-grayling)
Nor, incidentally, do they work in supermarket trolleys!0 -
Of course Vladimir Putin supported Brexit. You should always aim to divide your opponents.foxinsoxuk said:
This one showing a busy troll over time for example:foxinsoxuk said:
While Trump and the Russians seems under investigation, the support that Putin gave for UKIP then Brexit in this little thread is quite thought provoking.williamglenn said:The story about Russian propaganda on Twitter has reached the Times:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-twitter-users-deceived-by-russian-agent-david-jones-bv0c2ssj5
https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/901002540531294209
https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/900159764952469506
What was noteworthy is that the kippers responded to his advances. When was the last time you saw reference to EUSSR?0 -
An M&S where you have to put in a pound for a trolley?!?malcolmg said:
They work in Sainsbury's and M&S in ScotlandOldKingCole said:Totally and utterly O/t.... dunno, is it .... lack of planning and forethought comes into it, .......but in the Guardian today Tim Dowling is complaining that he’s yet to find a parking meter which will take the new £1 coins
(https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/30/cynical-leave-campaign-bet-against-brexit-ac-grayling)
Nor, incidentally, do they work in supermarket trolleys!0 -
Morning all,
I can only agree with Mike, leadership has and is a nightmare market. I'm on Thornberry - and topped up on reading the HuffPo piece. But also on a load of others, including Yvette, who I have not yet entirely written off.0 -
Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.0 -
https://twitter.com/anderbot_/status/901961276804485120AlastairMeeks said:
Of course Vladimir Putin supported Brexit. You should always aim to divide your opponents.foxinsoxuk said:
This one showing a busy troll over time for example:foxinsoxuk said:
While Trump and the Russians seems under investigation, the support that Putin gave for UKIP then Brexit in this little thread is quite thought provoking.williamglenn said:The story about Russian propaganda on Twitter has reached the Times:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-twitter-users-deceived-by-russian-agent-david-jones-bv0c2ssj5
https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/901002540531294209
https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/900159764952469506
What was noteworthy is that the kippers responded to his advances. When was the last time you saw reference to EUSSR?0 -
Thornberry will only be a likely contender to succed Corbyn if Corbyn wins the next general election or gets enough seats to form a government with other parties. If Corbyn loses a second general election when his supporters this time expected him to win it he will likely resign and the way will be open for a telegenic centrist like Chuka Umunna to win the leadership, he will also be better able to make the case for returning to the EEA given a Tory win ensures free movement will end for at least around 5 years reducing the potency of the immigration issue by the 2024/5 general election0
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Mr Pulpstar,
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.
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One focus group, Pittsburgh. But straws in the wind?
“We know he’s a nut. Everyone knew he was a nut. But there comes a point in time when you have to become professional. He’s not professional, forget about presidential,”
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/29/trump-pittsburgh-focus-group-2421580 -
On topic Thornbury looks the natural successor to me and has done for a while but the question really is when will there be a vacancy? The longer the time the more risk there is in the bet. Today she would be a shoo in but in 3 years? Who knows?0
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"All mouth and no knickers" sounds more appealing!CD13 said:Mr Pulpstar,
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.0 -
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.0 -
This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg0 -
Ah, the woman with nothing to say. Good luck with that one!rottenborough said:Morning all,
I can only agree with Mike, leadership has and is a nightmare market. I'm on Thornberry - and topped up on reading the HuffPo piece. But also on a load of others, including Yvette, who I have not yet entirely written off.0 -
Does her leaving open an opportunity for the left to gain a space on NEC?Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.0 -
Yesrottenborough said:Does her leaving open an opportunity for the left to gain a space on NEC?
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It says "such an action was used successfully in 1997." Who was deselected?williamglenn said:This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg0 -
If (big if) she runs again she will have found something to say. I suspect last time she was unprepared for a run.Monksfield said:
Ah, the woman with nothing to say. Good luck with that one!rottenborough said:Morning all,
I can only agree with Mike, leadership has and is a nightmare market. I'm on Thornberry - and topped up on reading the HuffPo piece. But also on a load of others, including Yvette, who I have not yet entirely written off.
But, generally, I think anyone betting on this market needs a lot of luck. My outsider bet on this is Sadiq Khan at 50. Don't ask me how this will be engineered.0 -
I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.0 -
Hang on, that isn't the script. Wasn't it the Bolsheviks who were supposed to be instigating wholesale pogroms?williamglenn said:This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg0 -
This is the Mhairi Black argumentDavidL said:Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.
She claims she joined the SNP because Labour had abandoned her brand of socialism
If Nicola has to tack left to keep seats from Labour, that opens up the ground for Ruth.0 -
If anyone was lamenting the state of English cricket this morning, be pleased to know that the Aussies just crashed out to Bangladesh, 20 runs short of the required 264...0
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Banks is going to have to write a lot more letters - I'd imagine most Tory MPs back a transition period. Will be interesting to see if this gains momentum.williamglenn said:This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg
Certainly won't help unite the Conservative party.0 -
@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale0
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Thornberry is a good bet: a PLU champagne socialist. Lab getting back to its roots.0
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Deselections ahoy if that gives the Corbyn loons the numbers they need.rottenborough said:
Does her leaving open an opportunity for the left to gain a space on NEC?Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.0 -
I think the constituency was created in 1997 - so perhaps the letter is conflating deselection of a sitting MP, with combination of constituencies.tlg86 said:
It says "such an action was used successfully in 1997." Who was deselected?williamglenn said:This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg
Wiki says Sir Michael Grylls (Bear Grylls dad) and Sir Geoffrey Pattie both retired in 1997 - they held the two constituencies related to Weybridge & Runnymede.0 -
I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.
Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.0 -
The scores were virtually identical to the match between Bangladesh and England at Dhaka last year. Shakib now becomes only the second player in test cricket to have scored a 50 and take 10 wickets in a match more than once. The other ? Richard Hadlee [ 3 times ]Sandpit said:If anyone was lamenting the state of English cricket this morning, be pleased to know that the Aussies just crashed out to Bangladesh, 20 runs short of the required 264...
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Shadow Health Sec iirc.TOPPING said:I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.
Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.
Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.0 -
Sounds good to me - but not too Northern Irish? (Who of course shouldn't have a monopoly on unionism)DavidL said:
Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.0 -
The solution proposed is utterly impractical, but the problem of increasingly powerful monopolies is a real one.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
More on NEC position:
https://order-order.com/2017/08/30/corbynistas-gloat-kezia-quitting-gives-them-nec-majority/0 -
Albeit with modest roots (the same colour -ed?)TOPPING said:Thornberry is a good bet: a PLU champagne socialist. Lab getting back to its roots.
She's also an effective Commons performer - Eds sacking of her was foolish.0 -
He is from the left. I wouldn't necessarily call him a Corbynista. You wouldn't call Thornberry a Corbynista, would you ?rottenborough said:
Shadow Health Sec iirc.TOPPING said:I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.
Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.
Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.0 -
Corbynista? Dammit. Lab wouldn't be that stupid twice. Would they?rottenborough said:
Shadow Health Sec iirc.TOPPING said:I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.
Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.
Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.0 -
Er, hello? Have you been on Mars for the last two years?TOPPING said:
Corbynista? Dammit. Lab wouldn't be that stupid twice. Would they?rottenborough said:
Shadow Health Sec iirc.TOPPING said:I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.
Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.
Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.0 -
Scottish Unionist Party?CarlottaVance said:
Sounds good to me - but not too Northern Irish? (Who of course shouldn't have a monopoly on unionism)DavidL said:
Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery the SNP should love it.0 -
9pm is the watershed hour, not 9am !SandyRentool said:
"All mouth and no knickers" sounds more appealing!CD13 said:Mr Pulpstar,
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.0 -
Thornberry's a bit of an oddity, in that iirc she jumped in to support Jezza because he was a friend and her next door neighbour in Islington, rather than being a pure Corbynista.surbiton said:
He is from the left. I wouldn't necessarily call him a Corbynista. You wouldn't call Thornberry a Corbynista, would you ?rottenborough said:
Shadow Health Sec iirc.TOPPING said:I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.
Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.
Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
Dunno about Ashworth. I assumed he was hard left. Maybe I am mistaken.0 -
I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substanceCD13 said:Mr Pulpstar,
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.0 -
Why not just switch the words around - The Unionist and Conservative Party?DavidL said:
Scottish Unionist Party?CarlottaVance said:
Sounds good to me - but not too Northern Irish? (Who of course shouldn't have a monopoly on unionism)DavidL said:
Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery the SNP should love it.0 -
Hard for me to take these stories seriously... by now we should have been on the second or third round of everyone but Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott being deselected...rottenborough said:
That said - maybe this time really will be different!0 -
He is Left alright. The true test is which MPs nominated Corbyn before Beckett, Khan et al made it more "open".rottenborough said:
Thornberry's a bit of an oddity, in that iirc she jumped in to support Jezza because he was a friend and her next door neighbour in Islington, rather than being a pure Corbynista.surbiton said:
He is from the left. I wouldn't necessarily call him a Corbynista. You wouldn't call Thornberry a Corbynista, would you ?rottenborough said:
Shadow Health Sec iirc.TOPPING said:I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.
Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.
Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
Dunno about Ashworth. I assumed he was hard left. Maybe I am mistaken.0 -
If we are on to what Trump is wearing, then this:ydoethur said:
I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substanceCD13 said:Mr Pulpstar,
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/melania-donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-hurricane-harvey-outfits/0 -
Would have said he was Brownite with leftish leanings. Dr @foxinsoxuk knows more about him.rottenborough said:
Thornberry's a bit of an oddity, in that iirc she jumped in to support Jezza because he was a friend and her next door neighbour in Islington, rather than being a pure Corbynista.surbiton said:
He is from the left. I wouldn't necessarily call him a Corbynista. You wouldn't call Thornberry a Corbynista, would you ?rottenborough said:
Shadow Health Sec iirc.TOPPING said:I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.
Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.
Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
Dunno about Ashworth. I assumed he was hard left. Maybe I am mistaken.
I have to say I can't imagine Thornberry as leader. OK, so she carries less baggage than Corbyn but a woman who insisted, in the face of an MoD statement to the contrary, that she genuinely believed she had been a Colonel in the British Army is not what Labour need right now. The need someone who will confront their delusions, not add to them!0 -
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Especially since Sturgeon is no longer keen on National(ist)...DavidL said:
Scottish Unionist Party?CarlottaVance said:
Sounds good to me - but not too Northern Irish? (Who of course shouldn't have a monopoly on unionism)DavidL said:
Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery the SNP should love it.0 -
I seem to recall someone on PB (Nick P?) saying on the ground the momentum crowd don't have the numbers at the local and regional meetings. They don't turn up in enough numbers. They may be shouty but not sufficient. Of course that might gradually change, or indeed, not be the case in some seats e.g. Liverpoolrkrkrk said:
Hard for me to take these stories seriously... by now we should have been on the second or third round of everyone but Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott being deselected...rottenborough said:
That said - maybe this time really will be different!0 -
At some point playtime will be over and it's back to the classroom for double Latin.rottenborough said:
Er, hello? Have you been on Mars for the last two years?TOPPING said:
Corbynista? Dammit. Lab wouldn't be that stupid twice. Would they?rottenborough said:
Shadow Health Sec iirc.TOPPING said:I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.
Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.
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FFS.rottenborough said:
If we are on to what Trump is wearing, then this:ydoethur said:
I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substanceCD13 said:Mr Pulpstar,
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/melania-donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-hurricane-harvey-outfits/
Every time you think he's reached rock bottom, he gets out the jackhammers and goes lower.
Why didn't the stupid bugger think to put on waders and a high-vis jacket if he wanted to stay with his 'man of the people' schtick?
I'm not going to comment on Mrs Trump's clothing because I really don't believe it's relevant or fair to criticise someone via a spouse, but his just looks moronic.0 -
The solution isn't just impractical, it exacerbates the problem by a factor of about a million. Imagine a Corbynite Stasi getting its hands on that lot and trawling the data for evidence of thoughtcrime. Contrariwise, if you did nationalise them they would become so uncool they would be abandoned overnight, so you would have to nationalise or ban any competitors which sprang up in their place.Nigelb said:
The solution proposed is utterly impractical, but the problem of increasingly powerful monopolies is a real one.FrancisUrquhart said:
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I see, thanks. I thought the letter was implying that somewhere in 1997 this tactic had been used before. I guess it hasn't. I can't see too many people from Runnymede joining the Tories just to do that.rkrkrk said:
I think the constituency was created in 1997 - so perhaps the letter is conflating deselection of a sitting MP, with combination of constituencies.tlg86 said:
It says "such an action was used successfully in 1997." Who was deselected?williamglenn said:This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg
Wiki says Sir Michael Grylls (Bear Grylls dad) and Sir Geoffrey Pattie both retired in 1997 - they held the two constituencies related to Weybridge & Runnymede.0 -
Yes, both in my area , out of town shopping so all trolleys outside unlike shops in town centresSandyRentool said:
An M&S where you have to put in a pound for a trolley?!?malcolmg said:
They work in Sainsbury's and M&S in ScotlandOldKingCole said:Totally and utterly O/t.... dunno, is it .... lack of planning and forethought comes into it, .......but in the Guardian today Tim Dowling is complaining that he’s yet to find a parking meter which will take the new £1 coins
(https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/30/cynical-leave-campaign-bet-against-brexit-ac-grayling)
Nor, incidentally, do they work in supermarket trolleys!0 -
Thornberry is an ambitious woman who is not on the Corbynista hard left. She would drag Labour back into the mainstream I suspect after Corbyn has lost a fourth general election for Labour in a row.0
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There are a depressingly large number of otherwise sane Scots who will never vote for a party called Conservative. It's crazy but it's a fact.Essexit said:
Why not just switch the words around - The Unionist and Conservative Party?DavidL said:
Scottish Unionist Party?CarlottaVance said:
Sounds good to me - but not too Northern Irish? (Who of course shouldn't have a monopoly on unionism)DavidL said:
Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery the SNP should love it.0 -
take you an hour to get through the listScott_P said:@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
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Police Federation call for Notting Hill Carnival to be banned after 31 officers injured at the weekend.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4834910/Police-call-Notting-Hill-Carnival-banned.html0 -
Mr Ydoethur,
All show and no substance is indeed the meaning. When I were t'lad, it was usually said by women of a shouty man. i.e. he thinks being a man and shouting is enough to be right.
Saying all mouth and no trousers suggests that having trousers is good i.e. being a man validates the speaker.
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Is she still alive, not been seen for a month at least. Too busy readmitting all the racists and homophobes to the party no doubt.Scott_P said:
This is the Mhairi Black argumentDavidL said:Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.
She claims she joined the SNP because Labour had abandoned her brand of socialism
If Nicola has to tack left to keep seats from Labour, that opens up the ground for Ruth.0 -
There’s almost nothing worse for the people on the ground after a disaster, than having to accommodate some bloody politician (and his entourage) who wants to be seen to be there.rottenborough said:
If we are on to what Trump is wearing, then this:ydoethur said:
I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substanceCD13 said:Mr Pulpstar,
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/melania-donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-hurricane-harvey-outfits/0 -
David, her bubble has burst well and truly. She has been in hiding as she cannot take tough questions. Tories have too many racists, homophobes and sectarians involved to get anywhere. Stable needs cleared out and given Ruthie filled it , I do not see it happening soon. More likely she will bolt for Westminster as she has nowhere to go in Scotland now but down.DavidL said:
I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.0 -
Mr. Sandpit, and yet, not a word of that during the news reports.0
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While the Tories can take rural and suburban seats off the SNP only a left-wing Labour Party can retake SNP seats in Glasgow and Dundee and the central belt, thus the two leave the SNP squeezedDavidL said:
I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.0 -
Donald DewarScott_P said:@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Err
Umm
Ooh
Kezia.0 -
She was out and about yesterday, Malkymalcolmg said:Is she still alive, not been seen for a month at least. Too busy readmitting all the racists and homophobes to the party no doubt.
https://twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/9022899854742650890 -
Or a speech at an evacuation centre were he says how big the crowd isSandpit said:
There’s almost nothing worse for the people on the ground after a disaster, than having to accommodate some bloody politician (and his entourage) who wants to be seen to be there.rottenborough said:
If we are on to what Trump is wearing, then this:ydoethur said:
I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substanceCD13 said:Mr Pulpstar,
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/melania-donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-hurricane-harvey-outfits/0 -
With Momentum potentially deselecting Blairite Labour MPs and hard-core Leavers potentially deselecting Tory Europhile MPs could get interestingrkrkrk said:
Banks is going to have to write a lot more letters - I'd imagine most Tory MPs back a transition period. Will be interesting to see if this gains momentum.williamglenn said:This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg
Certainly won't help unite the Conservative party.0 -
Coming to the guardian tomorrow...It's cos the met police are a load of racists.Sandpit said:Police Federation call for Notting Hill Carnival to be banned after 31 officers injured at the weekend.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4834910/Police-call-Notting-Hill-Carnival-banned.html0 -
That was my point. I think we are in agreement. Unionism needs both strands (and the Lib Dems for the not entirely serious). Labour do not need to fall into internal wrangling again.HYUFD said:
While the Tories can take rural and suburban seats off the SNP only a left-wing Labour Party can retake SNP seats in Glasgow and Dundee and the central belt, thus the two leave the SNP squeezedDavidL said:
I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.0 -
Thornberry is a close ally of Corbyn, only an Umunna or Cooper or Khan could move Labour back to the centrestevef said:Thornberry is an ambitious woman who is not on the Corbynista hard left. She would drag Labour back into the mainstream I suspect after Corbyn has lost a fourth general election for Labour in a row.
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FFS to you. The man has made the correct decisions of being there, and being far enough away from the epicentre of there that he is not interfering with operations. He is dressed appropriately for the weather as it is in the photograph - there is no point in wearing waterproofs because it rained heavily three days ago. I hardly ever wear stilettos so can't comment on Melania's decision to don them, but I am fairly confident that not far off camera there are vehicles full of alternative stuff for her or Trump to change into as appropriate. As for hi-vis jackets, he has perhaps seen photographs of wee Georgie Osborne in his march-of-the-makers factory visit outfit, and concluded accurately that it makes him look a complete and utter chump.ydoethur said:
FFS.rottenborough said:
If we are on to what Trump is wearing, then this:ydoethur said:
I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substanceCD13 said:Mr Pulpstar,
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/melania-donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-hurricane-harvey-outfits/
Every time you think he's reached rock bottom, he gets out the jackhammers and goes lower.
Why didn't the stupid bugger think to put on waders and a high-vis jacket if he wanted to stay with his 'man of the people' schtick?
I'm not going to comment on Mrs Trump's clothing because I really don't believe it's relevant or fair to criticise someone via a spouse, but his just looks moronic.
What this story really shows is what an irrelevant asswipe the telegraph has turned into. It isn't actually a story at all, it is a rehash of twitter. Why do they expect people to pay them a subscription when you can go to their source for free?0 -
I am just waiting to get off the ferry at Newcastle and then will be driving north crossing it for the first time. Looking forward to it.Scott_P said:
She was out and about yesterday, Malkymalcolmg said:Is she still alive, not been seen for a month at least. Too busy readmitting all the racists and homophobes to the party no doubt.
https://twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/9022899854742650890 -
I think neither will occur in reality.HYUFD said:
With Momentum potentially deselecting Blairite Labour MPs and hard-core Leavers potentially deselecting Tory Europhile MPs could get interestingrkrkrk said:
Banks is going to have to write a lot more letters - I'd imagine most Tory MPs back a transition period. Will be interesting to see if this gains momentum.williamglenn said:This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg
Certainly won't help unite the Conservative party.0
