Typical sad Tory , where is the windbag Colonel we ask, her acolytes can but weakly avoid the subject. The windbag will not be able to say much about the spectacular new bridge built by SNP under budget with no money from the nasty party , who had a hissy fit and along with their torylab pals withheld any money. She will be out looking for tanks or bullocks to make a code of herself.
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.
I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substance
There’s almost nothing worse for the people on the ground after a disaster, than having to accommodate some bloody politician (and his entourage) who wants to be seen to be there.
Or a speech at an evacuation centre were he says how big the crowd is
I was going to point out that in the photo I saw he was wearing boots, not shoes as the article suggested, but then it occurred to me that praising the POTUS for putting on the footwear someone else would have sorted out for him is treating him like a slightly dim five year old.
Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.
Shadow Health Sec iirc.
Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
He is from the left. I wouldn't necessarily call him a Corbynista. You wouldn't call Thornberry a Corbynista, would you ?
Thornberry's a bit of an oddity, in that iirc she jumped in to support Jezza because he was a friend and her next door neighbour in Islington, rather than being a pure Corbynista.
Dunno about Ashworth. I assumed he was hard left. Maybe I am mistaken.
Would have said he was Brownite with leftish leanings. Dr @foxinsoxuk knows more about him.
I have to say I can't imagine Thornberry as leader. OK, so she carries less baggage than Corbyn but a woman who insisted, in the face of an MoD statement to the contrary, that she genuinely believed she had been a Colonel in the British Army is not what Labour need right now. The need someone who will confront their delusions, not add to them!
Ashworth is fairly mainstream Brownite (indeed started as one of his advisors). He has been canny enough to not rebel against Corbyn and seems comfortable in the Shadow Cabinet, albeit in a fairly uncontroversial role. He was on the NECfor a long while and has a lot of Union support. He was parachuted into Leicester South, but has been quite active locally, so has grown on me.
I see him winning as a unity candidate, butt may just be talking my own book!
@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Donald Dewar
Err Umm Ooh
Kezia.
Iain Grey. He won me a lot of money in 2011.
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.
@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Donald Dewar
Err Umm Ooh
Kezia.
Iain Grey. He won me a lot of money in 2011.
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.
Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.
Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
While the Tories can take rural and suburban seats off the SNP only a left-wing Labour Party can retake SNP seats in Glasgow and Dundee and the central belt, thus the two leave the SNP squeezed
That was my point. I think we are in agreement. Unionism needs both strands (and the Lib Dems for the not entirely serious). Labour do not need to fall into internal wrangling again.
I agree with you there then, Unionism needs both left and right
@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Donald Dewar
Err Umm Ooh
Kezia.
Iain Grey. He won me a lot of money in 2011.
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.
Johann Lamont was probably the best since Dewar. Her or Wendy Alexander. But Kezia has grown into the role. How long before the average man in the street can pick out her successor from an identity parade? May be a year plus.
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.
I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substance
There’s almost nothing worse for the people on the ground after a disaster, than having to accommodate some bloody politician (and his entourage) who wants to be seen to be there.
"Mr Trump attended a number of briefings on the flooding but will not be visiting Houston, swathes of which remain under nearly 50in (1.27m) of water. "The president wants to be very cautious about making sure that any activity doesn't disrupt any of the recovery efforts that are still ongoing," White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said ahead of the visit.""
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
Ed Miliband was a posho
No he wasn't.
Yes he was, he grew up in a million pound house in Notting Hill, his father was left wing aristocracy and had Tony Benn round for dinner. He went to Oxford and was only sent to a Holland Park comp for ideological reasons. Thornberry in any case was also state educated and did not go to Oxbridge unlike Ed M. Miliband may not be as posh as privately educated niece of the Countess of Langford Harriet Harman but he is posh nonetheless
Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
Perhaps they had the ship in mind.
I don't think so, he is depicted in 19th century Pickelhaube rather than sailor suit.
Bismarck was a genius. Germany only went off the rails when Wilhelm II became kaiser. Until then Germany was our friend.
I think friend is overstating it a bit. There was enormous mutual respect and considerable admiration in the UK of Germany's education system and developing technology but there was also some concern about the huge increase in Germany's power after they had knocked the French for 6 in 1870.
The solution proposed is utterly impractical, but the problem of increasingly powerful monopolies is a real one.
The solution isn't just impractical, it exacerbates the problem by a factor of about a million. Imagine a Corbynite Stasi getting its hands on that lot and trawling the data for evidence of thoughtcrime. Contrariwise, if you did nationalise them they would become so uncool they would be abandoned overnight, so you would have to nationalise or ban any competitors which sprang up in their place.
I think 'utterly impractical' just about covers all that.
But just as monopolies became a big political issue at the turn of the last century, I think that over the next decade the new monopolies will have huge political salience.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
Ed Miliband was a posho
No he wasn't.
Yes he was, he grew up in a million pound house in Notting Hill, his father was left wing aristocracy and had Tony Benn round for dinner. He went to Oxford and was only sent to a Holland Park comp for ideological reasons. Thornberry in any case was also state educated and did not go to Oxbridge unlike Ed M. Miliband may not be as posh as privately educated niece of the Countess of Langford Harriet Harman but he is posh nonetheless
You can't be a posho if you went to a comprehensive school unless you have a peerage/title.
@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Donald Dewar
Err Umm Ooh
Kezia.
Iain Grey. He won me a lot of money in 2011.
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.
Johanna "The Scots can't make political decisions" Lamont.
@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Donald Dewar
Err Umm Ooh
Kezia.
Iain Grey. He won me a lot of money in 2011.
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.
Johanna "The Scots can't make political decisions" Lamont.
Could have been worse, he could have said 'Scots are too wee, too poor, too stupid to make decisions'
@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Donald Dewar
Err Umm Ooh
Kezia.
Iain Grey. He won me a lot of money in 2011.
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.
Johann Lamont was probably the best since Dewar. Her or Wendy Alexander. But Kezia has grown into the role. How long before the average man in the street can pick out her successor from an identity parade? May be a year plus.
Lamont was pish. Wendy Alexander was good and if Brown hadn't knifed her then Sindy would have been dead and buried years ago.
Her response of "Bring it on" to a 07-11 SindyRef would have ended the SNP project there and then.
I have to say I can't imagine Thornberry as leader. OK, so she carries less baggage than Corbyn but a woman who insisted, in the face of an MoD statement to the contrary, that she genuinely believed she had been a Colonel in the British Army is not what Labour need right now. The need someone who will confront their delusions, not add to them!
Depends what you mean by "need". No-one is confronting their delusions in today's politics.
The solution proposed is utterly impractical, but the problem of increasingly powerful monopolies is a real one.
The solution isn't just impractical, it exacerbates the problem by a factor of about a million. Imagine a Corbynite Stasi getting its hands on that lot and trawling the data for evidence of thoughtcrime. Contrariwise, if you did nationalise them they would become so uncool they would be abandoned overnight, so you would have to nationalise or ban any competitors which sprang up in their place.
I think 'utterly impractical' just about covers all that.
But just as monopolies became a big political issue at the turn of the last century, I think that over the next decade the new monopolies will have huge political salience.
The analysis conflates two quite separate problems: (a) monopolies (or near enough) in some cases; (b) the aggregation and mining of personal data.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
Ed Miliband was a posho
No he wasn't.
Yes he was, he grew up in a million pound house in Notting Hill, his father was left wing aristocracy and had Tony Benn round for dinner. He went to Oxford and was only sent to a Holland Park comp for ideological reasons. Thornberry in any case was also state educated and did not go to Oxbridge unlike Ed M. Miliband may not be as posh as privately educated niece of the Countess of Langford Harriet Harman but he is posh nonetheless
You can't be a posho if you went to a comprehensive school unless you have a peerage/title.
Ergo Lady Nugee = posho
Ed Miliband = pleb
It is not a proper title, she only got it because her husband became a judge and she does not use it. She went to a comprehensive and Kent University which Ed Miliband beats in poshness with his comprehensive followed by Oxford.
Mr. Eagles, reminds me of a self-described 'good Jewish boy' on The Apprentice. When they got sent to go shopping in Marrakesh, he bought a halal chicken. Which is fine, except he'd been told to get a kosher one and didn't know the difference.
Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.
Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
While the Tories can take rural and suburban seats off the SNP only a left-wing Labour Party can retake SNP seats in Glasgow and Dundee and the central belt, thus the two leave the SNP squeezed
Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.
Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
While the Tories can take rural and suburban seats off the SNP only a left-wing Labour Party can retake SNP seats in Glasgow and Dundee and the central belt, thus the two leave the SNP squeezed
Uhuh.
How's you Dugdale for FM campaign going.
Well she won 6 seats off the SNP at the general election, if she wants to retire for personal reasons that is up to her but she made progress
Mr. Eagles, reminds me of a self-described 'good Jewish boy' on The Apprentice. When they got sent to go shopping in Marrakesh, he bought a halal chicken. Which is fine, except he'd been told to get a kosher one and didn't know the difference.
Michael Sophocles - definitely one of the more memorable contestants even though he didn't win !
Mr. Pulpstar, indeed. I also recall him shrieking like a football fan on drugs when he won a challenge, which drew a surprised response from Sir Alan/Lord Sugar (not sure if he was a peer at that point).
Only because our Foreign Secretary got there first. I would have thought grossly insulting our partners when we need a deal and they, frankly, are indifferent about whether we get we want, would be unlikely to lead to negotiating success. But what do I know about negotiation? Mr Johnson can quote Xenephon and has a ready supply of Nazi jokes to disarm our continental friends.
The solution proposed is utterly impractical, but the problem of increasingly powerful monopolies is a real one.
The solution isn't just impractical, it exacerbates the problem by a factor of about a million. Imagine a Corbynite Stasi getting its hands on that lot and trawling the data for evidence of thoughtcrime. Contrariwise, if you did nationalise them they would become so uncool they would be abandoned overnight, so you would have to nationalise or ban any competitors which sprang up in their place.
I think 'utterly impractical' just about covers all that.
But just as monopolies became a big political issue at the turn of the last century, I think that over the next decade the new monopolies will have huge political salience.
The analysis conflates two quite separate problems: (a) monopolies (or near enough) in some cases; (b) the aggregation and mining of personal data.
It’s amazing how people fail to understand that with all these ‘social media’ sites, they are not the customer but the product.
Business 101, the customer is someone who pays you money. If it’s free then you’re not the customer.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
Ed Miliband was a posho
No he wasn't.
Yes he was, he grew up in a million pound house in Notting Hill, his father was left wing aristocracy and had Tony Benn round for dinner. He went to Oxford and was only sent to a Holland Park comp for ideological reasons. Thornberry in any case was also state educated and did not go to Oxbridge unlike Ed M. Miliband may not be as posh as privately educated niece of the Countess of Langford Harriet Harman but he is posh nonetheless
You can't be a posho if you went to a comprehensive school unless you have a peerage/title.
Ergo Lady Nugee = posho
Ed Miliband = pleb
It is not a proper title, she only got it because her husband became a judge and she does not use it. She went to a comprehensive and Kent University which Ed Miliband beats in poshness with his comprehensive followed by Oxford.
As Ms Thornberry famously observed when Mrs May teased Lady Nugee "I never have been and never will be a lady" - while her career and house make her slightly posh she's more in the mould of a meritocratic Tory...
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
Ed Miliband was a posho
No he wasn't.
Yes he was, he grew up in a million pound house in Notting Hill, his father was left wing aristocracy and had Tony Benn round for dinner. He went to Oxford and was only sent to a Holland Park comp for ideological reasons. Thornberry in any case was also state educated and did not go to Oxbridge unlike Ed M. Miliband may not be as posh as privately educated niece of the Countess of Langford Harriet Harman but he is posh nonetheless
Haverstock is nowhere near Notting Hill. The house Ed grew up in may well be worth well over £1 million now. It certainly wasn't when he was growing up in it, let alone when his parents bought it. His Dad was very well connected, though.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.
Only because our Foreign Secretary got there first. I would have thought grossly insulting our partners when we need a deal and they, frankly, are indifferent about whether we get we want, would be unlikely to lead to negotiating success. But what do I know about negotiation? Mr Johnson can quote Xenephon and has a ready supply of Nazi jokes to disarm our continental friends.
British steel and pluck to tell johnny foreigner what's what
Hard for me to take these stories seriously... by now we should have been on the second or third round of everyone but Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott being deselected...
That said - maybe this time really will be different!
I seem to recall someone on PB (Nick P?) saying on the ground the momentum crowd don't have the numbers at the local and regional meetings. They don't turn up in enough numbers. They may be shouty but not sufficient. Of course that might gradually change, or indeed, not be the case in some seats e.g. Liverpool
More the lack of a clear push to do it. You get local Momentum people saying "we need to deselect centrists and I have a little list", and the rest of the movement looks embarrassed and changes the subject. The assessment by the leadership is that most Labour MPs are primarily loyalists who will crew the ship quite happily so long as it's getting somewhere. Messing around with trying to deselect them is actively against the interest of that strategy. Hardcore centre-right people who actively conspire even in good times are thin on the ground and can be shrugged off.
Where Momentum is keen and gaining ground is in ensuring that the rules allow a post-Corbyn contest to include a semi-Corbynite candidate. The general view among members is that it would be unwise as well as unfair to try to prevent that, so the argument is gradually being won.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
Is there the slightest chance of the nations/countries/regions of the UK having differentiated immigration controls after Brexit (as proposed by, say, Michael Gove before he thought Brexit would win).
The calendar the West uses is the Christian calendar. It's ridiculous to try and airbrush God/Jesus out of it for some namby-pamby 'Common Era' rebrand. You might as well remain Thursday because it's named after Thor.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
My guess is that they will wish to put up one Corbynista candidate. Why nominate more?
The interesting thing about Thornberry is that she does not give the impression of being much of a Corbynista in terms of ideological outlook. She is much more of a careerist.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
I find it strange that the Kippers campaign against FPTP for Westminster elections, and yet use FPTP for their own internal elections.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
I find it strange that the Kippers campaign against FPTP for Westminster elections, and yet use FPTP for their own internal elections.
A bit like the Tories, who use AV in all but name to elect their leaders, but opposed AV in the 2011 referendum.
The calendar the West uses is the Christian calendar. It's ridiculous to try and airbrush God/Jesus out of it for some namby-pamby 'Common Era' rebrand. You might as well remain Thursday because it's named after Thor.
Just a pity they got the start point wrong by a few years.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
I find it strange that the Kippers campaign against FPTP for Westminster elections, and yet use FPTP for their own internal elections.
A bit like the Tories, who use AV in all but name to elect their leaders, but opposed AV in the 2011 referendum.
They do have the most sophisticated electorate in the world...
There is a false dichotomy and a false assumption in that short question. Producer interests and consumer interests aren't alternatives. Arguably they coincide, not least because consumers are often producers. Also whether we get a "hard" or "soft" Brexit is largely out of the hands of producers and consumers. It will be dictated by what the EU and our government are prepared to offer and accept. And I set aside what "hard" and "soft" Brexit translate to in actual outcomes.
The calendar the West uses is the Christian calendar. It's ridiculous to try and airbrush God/Jesus out of it for some namby-pamby 'Common Era' rebrand. You might as well remain Thursday because it's named after Thor.
Like it or not, we are a rather secular society these days, Mr.D.
"Year of our Lord" has a rather archaic ring - and anyway, 'Common Era' has had a decent two or three centuries history behind it, so it's hardly revisionist.
The calendar the West uses is the Christian calendar. It's ridiculous to try and airbrush God/Jesus out of it for some namby-pamby 'Common Era' rebrand. You might as well remain Thursday because it's named after Thor.
Just a pity they got the start point wrong by a few years.
Pope Sylvester II (999-1003) wanted to be Pope at the millennium, so completely fabricated 297 years of history (AD 614–911) to bump himself up to 1000 AD.
The calendar the West uses is the Christian calendar. It's ridiculous to try and airbrush God/Jesus out of it for some namby-pamby 'Common Era' rebrand. You might as well remain Thursday because it's named after Thor.
Like it or not, we are a rather secular society these days, Mr.D.
"Year of our Lord" has a rather archaic ring - and anyway, 'Common Era' has had a decent two or three centuries history behind it, so it's hardly revisionist.
My objection to BC and AD is that it offends my sense of neatness to have one term in English and one in Latin.
Hard for me to take these stories seriously... by now we should have been on the second or third round of everyone but Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott being deselected...
That said - maybe this time really will be different!
I seem to recall someone on PB (Nick P?) saying on the ground the momentum crowd don't have the numbers at the local and regional meetings. They don't turn up in enough numbers. They may be shouty but not sufficient. Of course that might gradually change, or indeed, not be the case in some seats e.g. Liverpool
More the lack of a clear push to do it. You get local Momentum people saying "we need to deselect centrists and I have a little list", and the rest of the movement looks embarrassed and changes the subject. The assessment by the leadership is that most Labour MPs are primarily loyalists who will crew the ship quite happily so long as it's getting somewhere. Messing around with trying to deselect them is actively against the interest of that strategy. Hardcore centre-right people who actively conspire even in good times are thin on the ground and can be shrugged off.
Where Momentum is keen and gaining ground is in ensuring that the rules allow a post-Corbyn contest to include a semi-Corbynite candidate. The general view among members is that it would be unwise as well as unfair to try to prevent that, so the argument is gradually being won.
Why producer/consumer and not capital/labour? Is it because the consumers to which you refer are retired?
They're different things. Portes is an economist, he will get it.
He'll get the question, but not why a hard Brexit is supposed to favour consumers. He might even throw in some mocking references to Patrick Minford and the IEA.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
I find it strange that the Kippers campaign against FPTP for Westminster elections, and yet use FPTP for their own internal elections.
A bit like the Tories, who use AV in all but name to elect their leaders, but opposed AV in the 2011 referendum.
How many times have we had this conversation? The Tory leadership election is nothing like AV. Not even close.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
I find it strange that the Kippers campaign against FPTP for Westminster elections, and yet use FPTP for their own internal elections.
A bit like the Tories, who use AV in all but name to elect their leaders, but opposed AV in the 2011 referendum.
How many times have we had this conversation? The Tory leadership election is nothing like AV. Not even close.
There's rounds of voting, where the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated, until we have a final two, and the winner is the one that gets above 50% of the vote.
Hard for me to take these stories seriously... by now we should have been on the second or third round of everyone but Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott being deselected...
That said - maybe this time really will be different!
I seem to recall someone on PB (Nick P?) saying on the ground the momentum crowd don't have the numbers at the local and regional meetings. They don't turn up in enough numbers. They may be shouty but not sufficient. Of course that might gradually change, or indeed, not be the case in some seats e.g. Liverpool
More the lack of a clear push to do it. You get local Momentum people saying "we need to deselect centrists and I have a little list", and the rest of the movement looks embarrassed and changes the subject. The assessment by the leadership is that most Labour MPs are primarily loyalists who will crew the ship quite happily so long as it's getting somewhere. Messing around with trying to deselect them is actively against the interest of that strategy. Hardcore centre-right people who actively conspire even in good times are thin on the ground and can be shrugged off.
Where Momentum is keen and gaining ground is in ensuring that the rules allow a post-Corbyn contest to include a semi-Corbynite candidate. The general view among members is that it would be unwise as well as unfair to try to prevent that, so the argument is gradually being won.
Thanks.
A "semi-Corbynite"? This is a new concept.
There is only one Jeremy! That does make picking his successor tricky. A lot of his supporters are attracted to him personally - as Nick himself makes clear. It is not certain they will all coalesce around someone else with similar views, but with a different way of expressing them.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
I find it strange that the Kippers campaign against FPTP for Westminster elections, and yet use FPTP for their own internal elections.
A bit like the Tories, who use AV in all but name to elect their leaders, but opposed AV in the 2011 referendum.
They do have the most sophisticated electorate in the world...
Only whem they get down to voting on the last two candidates.
Edit: Fwiw Findlay has just announced he won't be standing.
What a poor state SLAB has become. I have literally never heard of a single candidate in this list, except vague feeling Findlay rings a bell. And I'm a bit of a political anorak.
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She will be out looking for tanks or bullocks to make a code of herself.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
Am I giving him too much credit?
I see him winning as a unity candidate, butt may just be talking my own book!
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.
https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/902807318118764544
Not a good metaphor.
"The president wants to be very cautious about making sure that any activity doesn't disrupt any of the recovery efforts that are still ongoing," White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said ahead of the visit.""
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41088751
And look what happened to Bush when he didn't visit New Orleans.
Bismarck was a genius. Germany only went off the rails when Wilhelm II became kaiser. Until then Germany was our friend.
But just as monopolies became a big political issue at the turn of the last century, I think that over the next decade the new monopolies will have huge political salience.
Ergo Lady Nugee = posho
Ed Miliband = pleb
*Not that I get drunk, of course. I am a sober fellow.
Her response of "Bring it on" to a 07-11 SindyRef would have ended the SNP project there and then.
How's your Dugdale for FM campaign going?
What a complete tool.
Business 101, the customer is someone who pays you money. If it’s free then you’re not the customer.
https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/902815554360279041
http://www.cer.eu/insights/what-german-elections-mean-brexit
(spoiler: pretty well nothing at all)
Probably not, though a lyre/lute was probably what Nero plucked. More importantly, CE is revisionist nonsense. It's AD.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/902606861190529024
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/902607192028794880
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-brexit-charm-offensive-falls-flat/
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/902817740091793409
Where Momentum is keen and gaining ground is in ensuring that the rules allow a post-Corbyn contest to include a semi-Corbynite candidate. The general view among members is that it would be unwise as well as unfair to try to prevent that, so the argument is gradually being won.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
= DCCCXIII (I think)
On Brexit: Should producer interests take precedence over consumers?
– for follow up: "yes" implies "soft Brexit, "no" implies "hard Brexit".
The calendar the West uses is the Christian calendar. It's ridiculous to try and airbrush God/Jesus out of it for some namby-pamby 'Common Era' rebrand. You might as well remain Thursday because it's named after Thor.
The interesting thing about Thornberry is that she does not give the impression of being much of a Corbynista in terms of ideological outlook. She is much more of a careerist.
You can tweet Keiran direct as well.
But this has a while to run yet.
"Year of our Lord" has a rather archaic ring - and anyway, 'Common Era' has had a decent two or three centuries history behind it, so it's hardly revisionist.
Pope Sylvester II (999-1003) wanted to be Pope at the millennium, so completely fabricated 297 years of history (AD 614–911) to bump himself up to 1000 AD.
A "semi-Corbynite"? This is a new concept.
That's AV isn't it?
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/902834936381665281
Edit: Fwiw Findlay has just announced he won't be standing.
Only whem they get down to voting on the last two candidates.
https://twitter.com/FT/status/902836548500119553