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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » McCluskey’s comments on Corbyn’s successor help move Emily Thornberry to 2nd favourite

While all the focus has been on the Tory leadership there’s been a shake up in the Next LAB leader market after a report from Paul Waugh at HuffPost. He wrote:

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  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,734
    edited August 2017
    CarlottaVance said:

    Le Carre & Mackintyre on, among other things, Trump:

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/books/review/john-le-carre-ben-macintyre-british-spy-thrillers.html?smid=tw-share&referer=https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2017/08/donald-trump-russia-putin/amp

    A good link, thank you. It seems that LeCarre has now reached the twilight stage in his career where instead of inventing new characters he revisits old ones. To adopt a film metaphor, if "A Legacy of Spies" is his "Prometheus", I will be pleased, but if it's his "Alien: Covenant"...well, let us draw a kindly veil... :(
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Yep ... whatever Lola Len wants, Lola Len gets.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    For anyone interested in backing La Thornberry, she is available at stand-out odds of 14/1 from little known "Sports Winner" which is twice the odds of 7/1 offered by the likes of Bet365 and a similar price of 7.8/1 net from the Betfair Exchange.
    As ever, check out the best value with Oddschecker.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Another one bites the dust in SLAB.

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/902755697871478785

    Dugdale goes, whose up to lead Labour in Scotland?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    viewcode said:

    To adopt a film metaphor, if "A Legacy of Spies" is his "Prometheus", I will be pleased, but if it's his "Alien: Covenant"...well, let us draw a kindly veil... :(

    Prometheus was terrible
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JamieRoss7: Two people being tipped as the next leader to me: Richard Leonard and Alex Rowley. A S Lab source says either would be "a fucking disaster".
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/902670545384349696
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/902757847582351360
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    edited August 2017
    FPT:
    On a non-political note, would anyone like to join me at this? It's basically about the Red Cross's work to reunite familie who have been divided by war or disasters or who have simplly lost touch with someone who may have been detained. I know a bit about their work in this area and it's truly wonderful when it works.

    And the event looks fun:

    https://allevents.in/london/day-of-the-disappeared-benefit-concert/279767592504064

    Going with a couple of friends, but would be nice to see some PB faces.

    Or, if you can't come but would like to support it:

    https://www.justgiving.com/campaigns/charity/redcross/dayofthedisappeared2017
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/902676290683101185
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Emily Thornberry is being a very helpful constituency MP for me right now, so I won't have a word said against her.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    I put a few quid on Thornberry a while ago. Can't remember the odds.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,634
    619 said:

    https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/902676290683101185

    On North Korea I think Kim Jong In.might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,838
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/902670545384349696

    Well, aint that so. Not given the send off of our last CoE, that's for sure.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,381
    Thornberry: Just what we need - a working class woman from the northern Labour heartlands.

    Kez: Scottish Labour has turned a corner under he leadership - but we couldn't really have sunk any lower. It will be interesting to see where the new leader fits on the party spectrum, and this could be a pointer to the next UK Labour leader.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    Good to see Emily's price come in, lays her some more. Labour's Hillary Clinton, complete with her own 'Deplorables' comments.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Good morning, everyone.

    Surprised Dugdale's gone. I hope her replacement isn't a barking mad far left loon.

    The state of British politics. O tempora, o mores!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,717
    SandyRentool said:

    Thornberry: Just what we need - a working class woman from the northern Labour heartlands.

    Kez: Scottish Labour has turned a corner under he leadership - but we couldn't really have sunk any lower. It will be interesting to see where the new leader fits on the party spectrum, and this could be a pointer to the next UK Labour leader.

    Yes when she took the reins Labour were 2nd party in Scotland, she had two elections and led Labour to 3rd place in both, a towering giant of a politician.
    What absolute donkey from the rag tag bunch of losers the Scottish regional office have left will pick up the merde baton and head for a thrashing.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,837
    The story about Russian propaganda on Twitter has reached the Times:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-twitter-users-deceived-by-russian-agent-david-jones-bv0c2ssj5
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Thornberry puts in admirably combatative performances, and I am a little in the Green on her.

    My book on this is also a bit of a mess. Too many plausible candidates over the years, but no sign of a contest. I am not topping up.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,884
    Totally and utterly O/t.... dunno, is it .... lack of planning and forethought comes into it, .......but in the Guardian today Tim Dowling is complaining that he’s yet to find a parking meter which will take the new £1 coins
    (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/30/cynical-leave-campaign-bet-against-brexit-ac-grayling)

    Nor, incidentally, do they work in supermarket trolleys!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    williamglenn said:

    The story about Russian propaganda on Twitter has reached the Times:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-twitter-users-deceived-by-russian-agent-david-jones-bv0c2ssj5

    While Trump and the Russians seems under investigation, the support that Putin gave for UKIP then Brexit in this little thread is quite thought provoking.

    https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/901002540531294209
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    foxinsoxuk said:

    williamglenn said:

    The story about Russian propaganda on Twitter has reached the Times:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-twitter-users-deceived-by-russian-agent-david-jones-bv0c2ssj5

    While Trump and the Russians seems under investigation, the support that Putin gave for UKIP then Brexit in this little thread is quite thought provoking.

    https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/901002540531294209
    This one showing a busy troll over time for example:

    https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/900159764952469506
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,717
    OldKingCole said:

    Totally and utterly O/t.... dunno, is it .... lack of planning and forethought comes into it, .......but in the Guardian today Tim Dowling is complaining that he’s yet to find a parking meter which will take the new £1 coins
    (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/30/cynical-leave-campaign-bet-against-brexit-ac-grayling)

    Nor, incidentally, do they work in supermarket trolleys!

    They work in Sainsbury's and M&S in Scotland
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    foxinsoxuk said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    williamglenn said:

    The story about Russian propaganda on Twitter has reached the Times:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-twitter-users-deceived-by-russian-agent-david-jones-bv0c2ssj5

    While Trump and the Russians seems under investigation, the support that Putin gave for UKIP then Brexit in this little thread is quite thought provoking.

    https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/901002540531294209
    This one showing a busy troll over time for example:

    https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/900159764952469506
    Of course Vladimir Putin supported Brexit. You should always aim to divide your opponents.

    What was noteworthy is that the kippers responded to his advances. When was the last time you saw reference to EUSSR?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,381
    malcolmg said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Totally and utterly O/t.... dunno, is it .... lack of planning and forethought comes into it, .......but in the Guardian today Tim Dowling is complaining that he’s yet to find a parking meter which will take the new £1 coins
    (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/30/cynical-leave-campaign-bet-against-brexit-ac-grayling)

    Nor, incidentally, do they work in supermarket trolleys!

    They work in Sainsbury's and M&S in Scotland
    An M&S where you have to put in a pound for a trolley?!?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    Morning all,

    I can only agree with Mike, leadership has and is a nightmare market. I'm on Thornberry - and topped up on reading the HuffPo piece. But also on a load of others, including Yvette, who I have not yet entirely written off.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    Pulpstar said:

    619 said:

    https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/902676290683101185

    On North Korea I think Kim Jong In.might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers
    A dangerous assumption.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215
    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,227
    AlastairMeeks said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    williamglenn said:

    The story about Russian propaganda on Twitter has reached the Times:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-twitter-users-deceived-by-russian-agent-david-jones-bv0c2ssj5

    While Trump and the Russians seems under investigation, the support that Putin gave for UKIP then Brexit in this little thread is quite thought provoking.

    https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/901002540531294209
    This one showing a busy troll over time for example:

    https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/900159764952469506
    Of course Vladimir Putin supported Brexit. You should always aim to divide your opponents.

    What was noteworthy is that the kippers responded to his advances. When was the last time you saw reference to EUSSR?
    https://twitter.com/anderbot_/status/901961276804485120
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,657
    edited August 2017
    Thornberry will only be a likely contender to succed Corbyn if Corbyn wins the next general election or gets enough seats to form a government with other parties. If Corbyn loses a second general election when his supporters this time expected him to win it he will likely resign and the way will be open for a telegenic centrist like Chuka Umunna to win the leadership, he will also be better able to make the case for returning to the EEA given a Tory win ensures free movement will end for at least around 5 years reducing the potency of the immigration issue by the 2024/5 general election
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,367
    edited August 2017
    Mr Pulpstar,

    "On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."

    As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.

    An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.

    People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    One focus group, Pittsburgh. But straws in the wind?

    “We know he’s a nut. Everyone knew he was a nut. But there comes a point in time when you have to become professional. He’s not professional, forget about presidential,”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/29/trump-pittsburgh-focus-group-242158
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215
    On topic Thornbury looks the natural successor to me and has done for a while but the question really is when will there be a vacancy? The longer the time the more risk there is in the bet. Today she would be a shoo in but in 3 years? Who knows?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,381
    CD13 said:

    Mr Pulpstar,

    "On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."

    As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.

    An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.

    People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.

    "All mouth and no knickers" sounds more appealing!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    DavidL said:

    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.

    The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,837
    This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,838
    rottenborough said:

    Morning all,

    I can only agree with Mike, leadership has and is a nightmare market. I'm on Thornberry - and topped up on reading the HuffPo piece. But also on a load of others, including Yvette, who I have not yet entirely written off.

    Ah, the woman with nothing to say. Good luck with that one!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.

    The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
    Does her leaving open an opportunity for the left to gain a space on NEC?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    rottenborough said:

    Does her leaving open an opportunity for the left to gain a space on NEC?

    Yes
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    Absolutely bonkers....

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/30/nationalise-google-facebook-amazon-data-monopoly-platform-public-interest
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,274
    williamglenn said:

    This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg

    It says "such an action was used successfully in 1997." Who was deselected?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    Monksfield said:

    rottenborough said:

    Morning all,

    I can only agree with Mike, leadership has and is a nightmare market. I'm on Thornberry - and topped up on reading the HuffPo piece. But also on a load of others, including Yvette, who I have not yet entirely written off.

    Ah, the woman with nothing to say. Good luck with that one!
    If (big if) she runs again she will have found something to say. I suspect last time she was unprepared for a run.

    But, generally, I think anyone betting on this market needs a lot of luck. My outsider bet on this is Sadiq Khan at 50. Don't ask me how this will be engineered.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215
    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.

    The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
    I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.

    Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,838
    williamglenn said:

    This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg

    Hang on, that isn't the script. Wasn't it the Bolsheviks who were supposed to be instigating wholesale pogroms?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    DavidL said:

    Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.

    This is the Mhairi Black argument

    She claims she joined the SNP because Labour had abandoned her brand of socialism

    If Nicola has to tack left to keep seats from Labour, that opens up the ground for Ruth.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,406
    williamglenn said:

    This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg

    Banks is going to have to write a lot more letters - I'd imagine most Tory MPs back a transition period. Will be interesting to see if this gains momentum.

    Certainly won't help unite the Conservative party.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    edited August 2017
    If anyone was lamenting the state of English cricket this morning, be pleased to know that the Aussies just crashed out to Bangladesh, 20 runs short of the required 264...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    Thornberry is a good bet: a PLU champagne socialist. Lab getting back to its roots.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    rottenborough said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.

    The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
    Does her leaving open an opportunity for the left to gain a space on NEC?
    Deselections ahoy if that gives the Corbyn loons the numbers they need.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,406
    tlg86 said:

    williamglenn said:

    This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg

    It says "such an action was used successfully in 1997." Who was deselected?
    I think the constituency was created in 1997 - so perhaps the letter is conflating deselection of a sitting MP, with combination of constituencies.

    Wiki says Sir Michael Grylls (Bear Grylls dad) and Sir Geoffrey Pattie both retired in 1997 - they held the two constituencies related to Weybridge & Runnymede.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.

    Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,406
    Sandpit said:

    If anyone was lamenting the state of English cricket this morning, be pleased to know that the Aussies just crashed out to Bangladesh, 20 runs short of the required 264...

    Pleased for Bangladesh.
    Bit gutted that I cashed out yesterday at a loss...
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited August 2017
    Sandpit said:

    If anyone was lamenting the state of English cricket this morning, be pleased to know that the Aussies just crashed out to Bangladesh, 20 runs short of the required 264...

    The scores were virtually identical to the match between Bangladesh and England at Dhaka last year. Shakib now becomes only the second player in test cricket to have scored a 50 and take 10 wickets in a match more than once. The other ? Richard Hadlee [ 3 times ]
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    TOPPING said:

    I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.

    Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.

    Shadow Health Sec iirc.

    Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,227
    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.

    The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
    Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
    Sounds good to me - but not too Northern Irish? (Who of course shouldn't have a monopoly on unionism)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,966
    edited August 2017
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Absolutely bonkers....

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/30/nationalise-google-facebook-amazon-data-monopoly-platform-public-interest

    The solution proposed is utterly impractical, but the problem of increasingly powerful monopolies is a real one.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    More on NEC position:

    https://order-order.com/2017/08/30/corbynistas-gloat-kezia-quitting-gives-them-nec-majority/
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,227
    TOPPING said:

    Thornberry is a good bet: a PLU champagne socialist. Lab getting back to its roots.

    Albeit with modest roots (the same colour -ed?)

    She's also an effective Commons performer - Eds sacking of her was foolish.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    rottenborough said:

    TOPPING said:

    I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.

    Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.

    Shadow Health Sec iirc.

    Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
    He is from the left. I wouldn't necessarily call him a Corbynista. You wouldn't call Thornberry a Corbynista, would you ?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    rottenborough said:

    TOPPING said:

    I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.

    Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.

    Shadow Health Sec iirc.

    Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
    Corbynista? Dammit. Lab wouldn't be that stupid twice. Would they?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    TOPPING said:

    rottenborough said:

    TOPPING said:

    I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.

    Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.

    Shadow Health Sec iirc.

    Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
    Corbynista? Dammit. Lab wouldn't be that stupid twice. Would they?
    Er, hello? Have you been on Mars for the last two years?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215
    CarlottaVance said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.

    The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
    Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
    Sounds good to me - but not too Northern Irish? (Who of course shouldn't have a monopoly on unionism)
    Scottish Unionist Party?
    If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery the SNP should love it.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SandyRentool said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Pulpstar,

    "On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."

    As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.

    An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.

    People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.

    "All mouth and no knickers" sounds more appealing!
    9pm is the watershed hour, not 9am !
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    surbiton said:

    rottenborough said:

    TOPPING said:

    I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.

    Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.

    Shadow Health Sec iirc.

    Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
    He is from the left. I wouldn't necessarily call him a Corbynista. You wouldn't call Thornberry a Corbynista, would you ?
    Thornberry's a bit of an oddity, in that iirc she jumped in to support Jezza because he was a friend and her next door neighbour in Islington, rather than being a pure Corbynista.

    Dunno about Ashworth. I assumed he was hard left. Maybe I am mistaken.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    CD13 said:

    Mr Pulpstar,

    "On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."

    As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.

    An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.

    People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.

    I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substance
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    DavidL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.

    The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
    Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
    Sounds good to me - but not too Northern Irish? (Who of course shouldn't have a monopoly on unionism)
    Scottish Unionist Party?
    If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery the SNP should love it.
    Why not just switch the words around - The Unionist and Conservative Party?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,406
    rottenborough said:

    More on NEC position:

    https://order-order.com/2017/08/30/corbynistas-gloat-kezia-quitting-gives-them-nec-majority/

    Hard for me to take these stories seriously... by now we should have been on the second or third round of everyone but Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott being deselected...

    That said - maybe this time really will be different!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    rottenborough said:

    surbiton said:

    rottenborough said:

    TOPPING said:

    I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.

    Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.

    Shadow Health Sec iirc.

    Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
    He is from the left. I wouldn't necessarily call him a Corbynista. You wouldn't call Thornberry a Corbynista, would you ?
    Thornberry's a bit of an oddity, in that iirc she jumped in to support Jezza because he was a friend and her next door neighbour in Islington, rather than being a pure Corbynista.

    Dunno about Ashworth. I assumed he was hard left. Maybe I am mistaken.
    He is Left alright. The true test is which MPs nominated Corbyn before Beckett, Khan et al made it more "open".
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    ydoethur said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Pulpstar,

    "On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."

    As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.

    An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.

    People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.

    I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substance
    If we are on to what Trump is wearing, then this:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/melania-donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-hurricane-harvey-outfits/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    rottenborough said:

    surbiton said:

    rottenborough said:

    TOPPING said:

    I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.

    Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.

    Shadow Health Sec iirc.

    Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
    He is from the left. I wouldn't necessarily call him a Corbynista. You wouldn't call Thornberry a Corbynista, would you ?
    Thornberry's a bit of an oddity, in that iirc she jumped in to support Jezza because he was a friend and her next door neighbour in Islington, rather than being a pure Corbynista.

    Dunno about Ashworth. I assumed he was hard left. Maybe I am mistaken.
    Would have said he was Brownite with leftish leanings. Dr @foxinsoxuk knows more about him.

    I have to say I can't imagine Thornberry as leader. OK, so she carries less baggage than Corbyn but a woman who insisted, in the face of an MoD statement to the contrary, that she genuinely believed she had been a Colonel in the British Army is not what Labour need right now. The need someone who will confront their delusions, not add to them!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Take Back Control!

    https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/902803135747510272
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,227
    DavidL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.

    The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
    Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
    Sounds good to me - but not too Northern Irish? (Who of course shouldn't have a monopoly on unionism)
    Scottish Unionist Party?
    If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery the SNP should love it.
    Especially since Sturgeon is no longer keen on National(ist)...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    rkrkrk said:

    rottenborough said:

    More on NEC position:

    https://order-order.com/2017/08/30/corbynistas-gloat-kezia-quitting-gives-them-nec-majority/

    Hard for me to take these stories seriously... by now we should have been on the second or third round of everyone but Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott being deselected...

    That said - maybe this time really will be different!
    I seem to recall someone on PB (Nick P?) saying on the ground the momentum crowd don't have the numbers at the local and regional meetings. They don't turn up in enough numbers. They may be shouty but not sufficient. Of course that might gradually change, or indeed, not be the case in some seats e.g. Liverpool
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    rottenborough said:

    TOPPING said:

    rottenborough said:

    TOPPING said:

    I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.

    Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.

    Shadow Health Sec iirc.

    Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
    Corbynista? Dammit. Lab wouldn't be that stupid twice. Would they?
    Er, hello? Have you been on Mars for the last two years?
    At some point playtime will be over and it's back to the classroom for double Latin.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Pulpstar,

    "On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."

    As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.

    An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.

    People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.

    I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substance
    If we are on to what Trump is wearing, then this:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/melania-donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-hurricane-harvey-outfits/
    FFS.

    Every time you think he's reached rock bottom, he gets out the jackhammers and goes lower.

    Why didn't the stupid bugger think to put on waders and a high-vis jacket if he wanted to stay with his 'man of the people' schtick?

    I'm not going to comment on Mrs Trump's clothing because I really don't believe it's relevant or fair to criticise someone via a spouse, but his just looks moronic.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Nigelb said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Absolutely bonkers....

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/30/nationalise-google-facebook-amazon-data-monopoly-platform-public-interest

    The solution proposed is utterly impractical, but the problem of increasingly powerful monopolies is a real one.
    The solution isn't just impractical, it exacerbates the problem by a factor of about a million. Imagine a Corbynite Stasi getting its hands on that lot and trawling the data for evidence of thoughtcrime. Contrariwise, if you did nationalise them they would become so uncool they would be abandoned overnight, so you would have to nationalise or ban any competitors which sprang up in their place.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,274
    rkrkrk said:

    tlg86 said:

    williamglenn said:

    This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg

    It says "such an action was used successfully in 1997." Who was deselected?
    I think the constituency was created in 1997 - so perhaps the letter is conflating deselection of a sitting MP, with combination of constituencies.

    Wiki says Sir Michael Grylls (Bear Grylls dad) and Sir Geoffrey Pattie both retired in 1997 - they held the two constituencies related to Weybridge & Runnymede.
    I see, thanks. I thought the letter was implying that somewhere in 1997 this tactic had been used before. I guess it hasn't. I can't see too many people from Runnymede joining the Tories just to do that.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,717
    SandyRentool said:

    malcolmg said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Totally and utterly O/t.... dunno, is it .... lack of planning and forethought comes into it, .......but in the Guardian today Tim Dowling is complaining that he’s yet to find a parking meter which will take the new £1 coins
    (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/30/cynical-leave-campaign-bet-against-brexit-ac-grayling)

    Nor, incidentally, do they work in supermarket trolleys!

    They work in Sainsbury's and M&S in Scotland
    An M&S where you have to put in a pound for a trolley?!?
    Yes, both in my area , out of town shopping so all trolleys outside unlike shops in town centres
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    Thornberry is an ambitious woman who is not on the Corbynista hard left. She would drag Labour back into the mainstream I suspect after Corbyn has lost a fourth general election for Labour in a row.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215
    Essexit said:

    DavidL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.

    The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
    Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
    Sounds good to me - but not too Northern Irish? (Who of course shouldn't have a monopoly on unionism)
    Scottish Unionist Party?
    If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery the SNP should love it.
    Why not just switch the words around - The Unionist and Conservative Party?
    There are a depressingly large number of otherwise sane Scots who will never vote for a party called Conservative. It's crazy but it's a fact.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,717
    Scott_P said:

    @PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale

    take you an hour to get through the list
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    Police Federation call for Notting Hill Carnival to be banned after 31 officers injured at the weekend.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4834910/Police-call-Notting-Hill-Carnival-banned.html
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,367
    edited August 2017
    Mr Ydoethur,

    All show and no substance is indeed the meaning. When I were t'lad, it was usually said by women of a shouty man. i.e. he thinks being a man and shouting is enough to be right.

    Saying all mouth and no trousers suggests that having trousers is good i.e. being a man validates the speaker.

    That may be true, but I doubt that's what they intend to say
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,717
    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.

    This is the Mhairi Black argument

    She claims she joined the SNP because Labour had abandoned her brand of socialism

    If Nicola has to tack left to keep seats from Labour, that opens up the ground for Ruth.
    Is she still alive, not been seen for a month at least. Too busy readmitting all the racists and homophobes to the party no doubt.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Pulpstar,

    "On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."

    As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.

    An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.

    People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.

    I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substance
    If we are on to what Trump is wearing, then this:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/melania-donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-hurricane-harvey-outfits/
    There’s almost nothing worse for the people on the ground after a disaster, than having to accommodate some bloody politician (and his entourage) who wants to be seen to be there.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,717
    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.

    The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
    I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.

    Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
    David, her bubble has burst well and truly. She has been in hiding as she cannot take tough questions. Tories have too many racists, homophobes and sectarians involved to get anywhere. Stable needs cleared out and given Ruthie filled it , I do not see it happening soon. More likely she will bolt for Westminster as she has nowhere to go in Scotland now but down.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Sandpit, and yet, not a word of that during the news reports.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,657
    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.

    The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
    I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.

    Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
    While the Tories can take rural and suburban seats off the SNP only a left-wing Labour Party can retake SNP seats in Glasgow and Dundee and the central belt, thus the two leave the SNP squeezed
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    Scott_P said:

    @PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale

    Donald Dewar

    Err
    Umm
    Ooh

    Kezia.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    malcolmg said:

    Is she still alive, not been seen for a month at least. Too busy readmitting all the racists and homophobes to the party no doubt.

    She was out and about yesterday, Malky

    https://twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/902289985474265089
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Pulpstar,

    "On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."

    As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.

    An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.

    People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.

    I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substance
    If we are on to what Trump is wearing, then this:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/melania-donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-hurricane-harvey-outfits/
    There’s almost nothing worse for the people on the ground after a disaster, than having to accommodate some bloody politician (and his entourage) who wants to be seen to be there.
    Or a speech at an evacuation centre were he says how big the crowd is
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,657
    rkrkrk said:

    williamglenn said:

    This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg

    Banks is going to have to write a lot more letters - I'd imagine most Tory MPs back a transition period. Will be interesting to see if this gains momentum.

    Certainly won't help unite the Conservative party.
    With Momentum potentially deselecting Blairite Labour MPs and hard-core Leavers potentially deselecting Tory Europhile MPs could get interesting
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    Sandpit said:

    Police Federation call for Notting Hill Carnival to be banned after 31 officers injured at the weekend.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4834910/Police-call-Notting-Hill-Carnival-banned.html

    Coming to the guardian tomorrow...It's cos the met police are a load of racists.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.

    The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.

    The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.
    I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.

    Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
    While the Tories can take rural and suburban seats off the SNP only a left-wing Labour Party can retake SNP seats in Glasgow and Dundee and the central belt, thus the two leave the SNP squeezed
    That was my point. I think we are in agreement. Unionism needs both strands (and the Lib Dems for the not entirely serious). Labour do not need to fall into internal wrangling again.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,657
    stevef said:

    Thornberry is an ambitious woman who is not on the Corbynista hard left. She would drag Labour back into the mainstream I suspect after Corbyn has lost a fourth general election for Labour in a row.

    Thornberry is a close ally of Corbyn, only an Umunna or Cooper or Khan could move Labour back to the centre
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    ydoethur said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Pulpstar,

    "On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."

    As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.

    An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.

    People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.

    I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substance
    If we are on to what Trump is wearing, then this:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/melania-donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-hurricane-harvey-outfits/
    FFS.

    Every time you think he's reached rock bottom, he gets out the jackhammers and goes lower.

    Why didn't the stupid bugger think to put on waders and a high-vis jacket if he wanted to stay with his 'man of the people' schtick?

    I'm not going to comment on Mrs Trump's clothing because I really don't believe it's relevant or fair to criticise someone via a spouse, but his just looks moronic.
    FFS to you. The man has made the correct decisions of being there, and being far enough away from the epicentre of there that he is not interfering with operations. He is dressed appropriately for the weather as it is in the photograph - there is no point in wearing waterproofs because it rained heavily three days ago. I hardly ever wear stilettos so can't comment on Melania's decision to don them, but I am fairly confident that not far off camera there are vehicles full of alternative stuff for her or Trump to change into as appropriate. As for hi-vis jackets, he has perhaps seen photographs of wee Georgie Osborne in his march-of-the-makers factory visit outfit, and concluded accurately that it makes him look a complete and utter chump.

    What this story really shows is what an irrelevant asswipe the telegraph has turned into. It isn't actually a story at all, it is a rehash of twitter. Why do they expect people to pay them a subscription when you can go to their source for free?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215
    Scott_P said:

    malcolmg said:

    Is she still alive, not been seen for a month at least. Too busy readmitting all the racists and homophobes to the party no doubt.

    She was out and about yesterday, Malky

    https://twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/902289985474265089
    I am just waiting to get off the ferry at Newcastle and then will be driving north crossing it for the first time. Looking forward to it.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,406
    HYUFD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    williamglenn said:

    This is the letter send by Arron Banks to constituents in Runnymede urging people to join the Conservative party and deselect Philip Hammond.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIay8jyUQAAnUgs.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIazCbuUEAAQRev.jpg

    Banks is going to have to write a lot more letters - I'd imagine most Tory MPs back a transition period. Will be interesting to see if this gains momentum.

    Certainly won't help unite the Conservative party.
    With Momentum potentially deselecting Blairite Labour MPs and hard-core Leavers potentially deselecting Tory Europhile MPs could get interesting
    I think neither will occur in reality.
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