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I always assumed harpoon, rather than bullet, and that it was a funfair activity.foxinsoxuk said:
Though apparently the shockwave of a bullet hitting a barrel would kill fish even without a direct hit...foxinsoxuk said:
What would be the point of shooting dead fish?philiph said:
I didn't think a barrel of fish had any water in it.foxinsoxuk said:
Shooting apples in a barrel would be easier than shooting fish. Fish dodge and you have to allow for refraction at the water/air interface.Ishmael_Z said:
If you are explaining your gags in brackets, you are losing, and so would Corbyn be if he couldn't do better than that. Fish in a barrel btw.OchEye said:
Corbyn would adjust his attack. For example, repeatedly asking the Mogg whether his nanny has given permission to do whatever. (JRH took his nanny when he was electioneering in Fife). It would be like shooting apples in a barrel.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think this is his intention this week.geoffw said:Why doesn't DD tell MB that we'll only consider the money once the rest of the deal is agreed?
i) If it's a good deal for us we'd obviously be happy to talk turkey.
ii) If not then we embrace WTO and they can go whistle.
So (i) is win-win, and (ii) is lose-lose. Simples.
Perhaps he has put this to them, which might explain why he appears sanguine.
Sooner or later European Business is going to get involved banging heads together. 250 billion of EU trade is a huge amount of employment in EU states and these business's, their shareholders, and financiers are not going to sit on the sidelines much longer.
Interesting that Jacob Rees Mogg seems to be increasing his support daily for PM as he becomes a cult figure. Just imagine Jacob Rees Morgan v Corbyn at PMQ's.
It would be box office
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/mythbusters-database/shooting-killing-fish-barrel/0 -
What will the other psycho do now ?Scott_P said:@SkyNewsEditor: #BREAKING Japanese media says the missile fired by #NorthKorea has now passed over Japan. Question is...where is it due to land?!
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No, there is and remains no coherent view among those of us who voted LEAVE. We did not have a discussion before A50 was initiated on issues relating to our relationship with the EU and the rest of the world.HYUFD said:
There cannot be a coherent national view of what Leave means because Remainers want Leave to mean basically almost exactly the same as the EU, ie full single market and customs union membership, while Leavers want to see clear returns of sovereignty, an end to free movement and reductions of payments to the EU, which means departure from the single market and customs union, at least in the short term. Given Leave won it will inevitably ultimately be a Brexit more suited to what Leavers want even if Remainers may not be happy with that.
The siren calls from within your party for tax cuts and de-regulation are starting and that seems to be a factor drawing support for JRM. That's not a Britain for everyone and not one I'd like to live in. Leaving the EU has to work for us all.0 -
The Nabavi doctrine is just balls !Richard_Nabavi said:
The same person might then usefully take Michel Barrnier, and the EU27 prime ministers, aside, and point out that without a comprehensive trade deal, the UK has precisely zero incentive, and of course no legal liability, to pay a single euro as an exit fee.viewcode said:I don't think any goal fits their current behavior.
When a close relative was dying, I was thrashing about trying to work out timetables and the doctor had to take me aside and point out gently that this person was dying, dying quickly, and that there was nothing to do. I used to know a divorce lawyer and she told me about the point where you have to tell them that they can't stay married to somebody who doesn't want to be married to them. The UK Government has not yet hit these points and is oscillating between begging ("deep and special relationship") and anger ("stubborn and unreasonable"). Sooner or later it would be better if a neutral friend took Davies aside and quietly explained his position.0 -
May of course stated existing employment law and workers' rights would be guaranteed for as long as she was Conservative leader.HYUFD said:
42% still voted against Labour when Corbyn was leading them, more than have ever voted for the Tories since 1992 when 41% voted against Kinnock
I can imagine the siren attraction for some Tories of a new leader promising to cut taxes and regulation including changes to employment law and workers' rights. Corbyn was of course right to raise this and as a working man I'm anxious my rights are safeguarded and not eroded by the Conservatives.
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Who knows what may happenBenpointer said:
Yes, but only ahead of a GE... not afterwards imo.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It may be a possibility but equally in these strange times PM Jacob Rees Mogg could materialize !!!!!!!!!Benpointer said:
I'm not so sure... There are of course many voters (Conservative and otherwise) who cannot stand Corbyn, but there will also be many don't have that strong view and who will be open to persuasion by a combination of attractive Labour policies and the Tories' poor recent record in government.Richard_Nabavi said:
If Labour were to seriously want to run on an economic platform which might appeal to Conservative voters, they would first need to ditch Corbyn and McDonell, and then apologise in the most grovelling fashion for ever being naive and cynical enough for putting them (and Diane Abbott, FFS!) forward as the core of a potential government.Pong said:It looks to me like the 31% of Con leavers answering "No I would not" are the voters who will deliver a majority Labour government at the next election.
Labour need to relentlessly pound the tories for "making the country poorer"
You might well say that the Labour promises are illusionary or that the Tories are not doing too badly given the circumstances but I think that there's a strong possibility Labour can win (and take votes from the Tories) without ditching Corbyn.0 -
Yes that's true, of course. But was GE2017 peak Corbyn or, given where he started the election from, can he go further next time? For the answer will have to wait for the next GE, but assuming the Tories stay in power until the next GE my guess is that Labour will win a small majority under Corbyn.HYUFD said:
42% still voted against Labour when Corbyn was leading them, more than have ever voted for the Tories since 1992 when 41% voted against KinnockBenpointer said:
I'm not so sure... There are of course many voters (Conservative and otherwise) who cannot stand Corbyn, but there will also be many don't have that strong view and who will be open to persuasion by a combination of attractive Labour policies and the Tories' poor recent record in government.Richard_Nabavi said:
If Labour were to seriously want to run on an economic platform which might appeal to Conservative voters, they would first need to ditch Corbyn and McDonell, and then apologise in the most grovelling fashion for ever being naive and cynical enough for putting them (and Diane Abbott, FFS!) forward as the core of a potential government.Pong said:It looks to me like the 31% of Con leavers answering "No I would not" are the voters who will deliver a majority Labour government at the next election.
Labour need to relentlessly pound the tories for "making the country poorer"
You might well say that the Labour promises are illusionary or that the Tories are not doing too badly given the circumstances but I think that there's a strong possibility Labour can win (and take votes from the Tories) without ditching Corbyn.0 -
Depends where the missile lands?surbiton said:
What will the other psycho do now ?Scott_P said:@SkyNewsEditor: #BREAKING Japanese media says the missile fired by #NorthKorea has now passed over Japan. Question is...where is it due to land?!
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There is as I posted earlier, reclaiming sovereignty, reducing immigration and controlling borders and avoiding being drawn further into a federal EU, in that order were the 3 key reasons Leave voters voted Leave according to an on the day exit poll of 12 000 people.stodge said:
No, there is and remains no coherent view among those of us who voted LEAVE. We did not have a discussion before A50 was initiated on issues relating to our relationship with the EU and the rest of the world.HYUFD said:
There cannot be a coherent national view of what Leave means because Remainers want Leave to mean basically almost exactly the same as the EU, ie full single market and customs union membership, while Leavers want to see clear returns of sovereignty, an end to free movement and reductions of payments to the EU, which means departure from the single market and customs union, at least in the short term. Given Leave won it will inevitably ultimately be a Brexit more suited to what Leavers want even if Remainers may not be happy with that.
The siren calls from within your party for tax cuts and de-regulation are starting and that seems to be a factor drawing support for JRM. That's not a Britain for everyone and not one I'd like to live in. Leaving the EU has to work for us all.
Tax cuts and de-regulation is not the issue nor is £350 million extra for the NHS (though Boris is moving towards pushing for increased public sector pay), those 3 reasons and those 3 reasons alone are the main aims of Brexit0 -
Well you are a Labour voter so perhaps you might start to feel how some Tory voters have felt about Corbyn's promises on increasing taxation for the wealthy and renationalising key sectors of the economy. Though I doubt Davis or Boris would do that much to slash taxes and regulation, JRM might but he is less likely to win than those 2 in my viewstodge said:
May of course stated existing employment law and workers' rights would be guaranteed for as long as she was Conservative leader.HYUFD said:
42% still voted against Labour when Corbyn was leading them, more than have ever voted for the Tories since 1992 when 41% voted against Kinnock
I can imagine the siren attraction for some Tories of a new leader promising to cut taxes and regulation including changes to employment law and workers' rights. Corbyn was of course right to raise this and as a working man I'm anxious my rights are safeguarded and not eroded by the Conservatives.0 -
I think different, I think Boris can win a small majority in 2020 but all to play for certainlyBenpointer said:
Yes that's true, of course. But was GE2017 peak Corbyn or, given where he started the election from, can he go further next time? For the answer will have to wait for the next GE, but assuming the Tories stay in power until the next GE my guess is that Labour will win a small majority under Corbyn.HYUFD said:
42% still voted against Labour when Corbyn was leading them, more than have ever voted for the Tories since 1992 when 41% voted against KinnockBenpointer said:
I'm not so sure... There are of course many voters (Conservative and otherwise) who cannot stand Corbyn, but there will also be many don't have that strong view and who will be open to persuasion by a combination of attractive Labour policies and the Tories' poor recent record in government.Richard_Nabavi said:
If Labour were to seriously want to run on an economic platform which might appeal to Conservative voters, they would first need to ditch Corbyn and McDonell, and then apologise in the most grovelling fashion for ever being naive and cynical enough for putting them (and Diane Abbott, FFS!) forward as the core of a potential government.Pong said:It looks to me like the 31% of Con leavers answering "No I would not" are the voters who will deliver a majority Labour government at the next election.
Labour need to relentlessly pound the tories for "making the country poorer"
You might well say that the Labour promises are illusionary or that the Tories are not doing too badly given the circumstances but I think that there's a strong possibility Labour can win (and take votes from the Tories) without ditching Corbyn.0 -
Just because he's an old Etonian, went to Trinity in Oxford, he's automatically better than anyone else? Let's see now, can anyone suggest a few names that have a similar story to tell, and how brilliant and how high they have flown before they have been turning to ash and falling to earth? Moggy has more than enough back history to be tied to a stake with the kindling round his feet, and Corbyn would figuratively put a lit match to the wood.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may think that but he is becoming a cult figure as had Corbyn.OchEye said:
Corbyn would adjust his attack. For example, repeatedly asking the Mogg whether his nanny has given permission to do whatever. (JRH took his nanny when he was electioneering in Fife). It would be like shooting apples in a barrel.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think this is his intention this week.geoffw said:Why doesn't DD tell MB that we'll only consider the money once the rest of the deal is agreed?
i) If it's a good deal for us we'd obviously be happy to talk turkey.
ii) If not then we embrace WTO and they can go whistle.
So (i) is win-win, and (ii) is lose-lose. Simples.
Perhaps he has put this to them, which might explain why he appears sanguine.
Sooner or later European Business is going to get involved banging heads together. 250 billion of EU trade is a huge amount of employment in EU states and these business's, their shareholders, and financiers are not going to sit on the sidelines much longer.
Interesting that Jacob Rees Mogg seems to be increasing his support daily for PM as he becomes a cult figure. Just imagine Jacob Rees Morgan v Corbyn at PMQ's.
It would be box office
Also I think Jacob would return fire very well - he has plenty to attack in Corbyn0 -
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That sounds a really fascinating trip! (NK missiles excluded).Big_G_NorthWales said:williamglenn said:
That could be very serious. Two years ago we went on a cruise from Vancouver to Beijing via Northern Japan, Vladivostok, South Korea, and China and the remarkable feature was just how close these Countries are relatively speaking. Also as we sailed from Vladivostok along the North Korean coast it felt strangely cold and uninvitingwilliamglenn said:0 -
It was outstanding over 30 days as we sailed up Alaska then parrallel to the Aleutian Islands before arriving in Hokkaido then on to the other ports of call. It was a repositioning cruise and very good value.dixiedean said:
That sounds a really fascinating trip! (NK missiles excluded).Big_G_NorthWales said:williamglenn said:
That could be very serious. Two years ago we went on a cruise from Vancouver to Beijing via Northern Japan, Vladivostok, South Korea, and China and the remarkable feature was just how close these Countries are relatively speaking. Also as we sailed from Vladivostok along the North Korean coast it felt strangely cold and uninvitingwilliamglenn said:
It was only surpassed by our Antarctica trip with zodiac landings ( our retirement present to each other)0 -
Cool! Hope to have such an adventurous spirit during my retirement. Am well jel as the kids say!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was outstanding over 30 days as we sailed up Alaska then parrallel to the Aleutian Islands before arriving in Hokkaido then on to the other ports of call. It was a repositioning cruise and very good value.dixiedean said:
That sounds a really fascinating trip! (NK missiles excluded).Big_G_NorthWales said:williamglenn said:
That could be very serious. Two years ago we went on a cruise from Vancouver to Beijing via Northern Japan, Vladivostok, South Korea, and China and the remarkable feature was just how close these Countries are relatively speaking. Also as we sailed from Vladivostok along the North Korean coast it felt strangely cold and uninvitingwilliamglenn said:
It was only surpassed by our Antarctica trip with zodiac landings ( our retirement present to each other)0 -
Travel broadens the mind and we were fortunate that our eldest emigrated to New Zealand 14 years ago so we had an excuse to keep going round the World though be now lives in Vancouverdixiedean said:
Cool! Hope to have such an adventurous spirit during my retirement. Am well jel as the kids say!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was outstanding over 30 days as we sailed up Alaska then parrallel to the Aleutian Islands before arriving in Hokkaido then on to the other ports of call. It was a repositioning cruise and very good value.dixiedean said:
That sounds a really fascinating trip! (NK missiles excluded).Big_G_NorthWales said:williamglenn said:
That could be very serious. Two years ago we went on a cruise from Vancouver to Beijing via Northern Japan, Vladivostok, South Korea, and China and the remarkable feature was just how close these Countries are relatively speaking. Also as we sailed from Vladivostok along the North Korean coast it felt strangely cold and uninvitingwilliamglenn said:
It was only surpassed by our Antarctica trip with zodiac landings ( our retirement present to each other)
The one thing my wife and I agreed was to do as much travel as we could while we could and it was sensible as we no longer want to go on long haul flights
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Value of EU exports to UK = 2% of their combined GDPgeoffw said:
The money for starters.Benpointer said:
On what basis? How is no deal more damaging for the EU?geoffw said:
I beg to differ.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because no deal is more damaging for the U.K. than it is for the EU.geoffw said:Why doesn't DD tell MB that we'll only consider the money once the rest of the deal is agreed?
i) If it's a good deal for us we'd obviously be happy to talk turkey.
ii) If not then we embrace WTO and they can go whistle.
So (i) is win-win, and (ii) is lose-lose. Simples.
Perhaps he has put this to them, which might explain why he appears sanguine.
Value of UK exports to EU = 6% of our GDP0 -
If Mogg has a backstory what do you call Corbyn's? Let us not forget Corbyn still got fewer votes and seats than May and some clearly voted Tory because of that backstory.OchEye said:
Just because he's an old Etonian, went to Trinity in Oxford, he's automatically better than anyone else? Let's see now, can anyone suggest a few names that have a similar story to tell, and how brilliant and how high they have flown before they have been turning to ash and falling to earth? Moggy has more than enough back history to be tied to a stake with the kindling round his feet, and Corbyn would figuratively put a lit match to the wood.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You may think that but he is becoming a cult figure as had Corbyn.OchEye said:
Corbyn would adjust his attack. For example, repeatedly asking the Mogg whether his nanny has given permission to do whatever. (JRH took his nanny when he was electioneering in Fife). It would be like shooting apples in a barrel.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think this is his intention this week.geoffw said:Why doesn't DD tell MB that we'll only consider the money once the rest of the deal is agreed?
i) If it's a good deal for us we'd obviously be happy to talk turkey.
ii) If not then we embrace WTO and they can go whistle.
So (i) is win-win, and (ii) is lose-lose. Simples.
Perhaps he has put this to them, which might explain why he appears sanguine.
Sooner or later European Business is going to get involved banging heads together. 250 billion of EU trade is a huge amount of employment in EU states and these business's, their shareholders, and financiers are not going to sit on the sidelines much longer.
Interesting that Jacob Rees Mogg seems to be increasing his support daily for PM as he becomes a cult figure. Just imagine Jacob Rees Morgan v Corbyn at PMQ's.
It would be box office
Also I think Jacob would return fire very well - he has plenty to attack in Corbyn
Though I think it will be more likely to be Boris v Corbyn rather than Mogg v Corbyn in 20200 -
I presume you are referring to the finale of these:geoffw said:Meanwhile Edinburgh Council is literally blowing up their council taxpayers' hard-earned.
The Edinburgh Festival Fringe and the International Festival have both had record breaking box offices in their 70th anniversary year.
By Monday afternoon an estimated 2,696,884 tickets had been issued for Fringe shows, an increase of 9% on last year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-410752860 -
What about the other 94%?sarissa said:
Value of EU exports to UK = 2% of their combined GDPgeoffw said:
The money for starters.Benpointer said:
On what basis? How is no deal more damaging for the EU?geoffw said:
I beg to differ.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because no deal is more damaging for the U.K. than it is for the EU.geoffw said:Why doesn't DD tell MB that we'll only consider the money once the rest of the deal is agreed?
i) If it's a good deal for us we'd obviously be happy to talk turkey.
ii) If not then we embrace WTO and they can go whistle.
So (i) is win-win, and (ii) is lose-lose. Simples.
Perhaps he has put this to them, which might explain why he appears sanguine.
Value of UK exports to EU = 6% of our GDP0 -
And they say there is no such thing as a stupid question! Or was it intended ironically? Hard to tell.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about the other 94%?sarissa said:
Value of EU exports to UK = 2% of their combined GDPgeoffw said:
The money for starters.Benpointer said:
On what basis? How is no deal more damaging for the EU?geoffw said:
I beg to differ.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because no deal is more damaging for the U.K. than it is for the EU.geoffw said:Why doesn't DD tell MB that we'll only consider the money once the rest of the deal is agreed?
i) If it's a good deal for us we'd obviously be happy to talk turkey.
ii) If not then we embrace WTO and they can go whistle.
So (i) is win-win, and (ii) is lose-lose. Simples.
Perhaps he has put this to them, which might explain why he appears sanguine.
Value of UK exports to EU = 6% of our GDP0 -
Cheers! I intend to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Travel broadens the mind and we were fortunate that our eldest emigrated to New Zealand 14 years ago so we had an excuse to keep going round the World though be now lives in Vancouverdixiedean said:
Cool! Hope to have such an adventurous spirit during my retirement. Am well jel as the kids say!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was outstanding over 30 days as we sailed up Alaska then parrallel to the Aleutian Islands before arriving in Hokkaido then on to the other ports of call. It was a repositioning cruise and very good value.dixiedean said:
That sounds a really fascinating trip! (NK missiles excluded).Big_G_NorthWales said:williamglenn said:
That could be very serious. Two years ago we went on a cruise from Vancouver to Beijing via Northern Japan, Vladivostok, South Korea, and China and the remarkable feature was just how close these Countries are relatively speaking. Also as we sailed from Vladivostok along the North Korean coast it felt strangely cold and uninvitingwilliamglenn said:
It was only surpassed by our Antarctica trip with zodiac landings ( our retirement present to each other)
The one thing my wife and I agreed was to do as much travel as we could while we could and it was sensible as we no longer want to go on long haul flights
I hope you are able to enjoy travelling too
Travel displays many reasons to be thankful for the way we live, as well as gentle reminders it doesn't necessarily have to be this way. Occasionally, hints as to how we could do better.
Perspective.0 -
much of it will be lost to a flood of cheap foreign imports destroying whole sectors of the economy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about the other 94%?sarissa said:
Value of EU exports to UK = 2% of their combined GDPgeoffw said:
The money for starters.Benpointer said:
On what basis? How is no deal more damaging for the EU?geoffw said:
I beg to differ.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because no deal is more damaging for the U.K. than it is for the EU.geoffw said:Why doesn't DD tell MB that we'll only consider the money once the rest of the deal is agreed?
i) If it's a good deal for us we'd obviously be happy to talk turkey.
ii) If not then we embrace WTO and they can go whistle.
So (i) is win-win, and (ii) is lose-lose. Simples.
Perhaps he has put this to them, which might explain why he appears sanguine.
Value of UK exports to EU = 6% of our GDP0
