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First off, I have to say @AlastairMeeks must be a contender for poster of the year. His contributions to PB both above and below the line have been absolutely brilliant throughout 2017.
I'm not a fan of Osborne, but I think he's made a great choice to go to the Standard rather than sitting in the Commons as a backbencher. I don't see the Conservative Party membership voting him as leader.0 -
Yes. If a boat (or plane) makes a Mayday call, almost the first question asked by the emergency services is for the number of people on board. Each vessel also has a limit of people (defined by no. of seats or lifejackets or space available, depending on the vessel) so they have to count people on to make sure they don’t depart overloaded.GeoffM said:
Even the Portsmouth-Gosport ferry (which I am horribly familiar with) has a bloke with a ticker to check the 6 minute journey.foxinsoxuk said:
All ferries count their passengers for safety reasons, so do have a reasonably accurate figure. Even the Isle of Wight Ferry records these numbers.Philip_Thompson said:
Every time I've flown I've had my passport scanned by the airline.Charles said:
I fly from Heathrow a couple of times a week and I've only ever once been checked (a couple of years ago)Philip_Thompson said:
Weird that article was on the BBC News homepage earlier this week. Didn't read that it was 2 years old already!RobD said:
Apparently it started a few years agoPhilip_Thompson said:
No that's not the case though it will change soon.rottenborough said:
I am not up-to-speed with the details of exiting the UK. But surely every passport is scanned?foxinsoxuk said:
The really interesting question is: If the International passenger survey is wrong on students, how reliable are its figures for other groups?tlg86 said:Have a read of the Office for Statistics Regulation's report on student migration:
https://tinyurl.com/ybpywy63
This paragraph stands out:
So we should know exactly who has left the country?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32205970
Travelling by ferry was different.0 -
"by elections"PClipp said:
That is where you go wrong, I`m afraid. In FPTP elections, where the first placed candidate takes everything, their party may end up with power. But, depending on the size and distribution of votes cast against them, they do not necessarily end up with authority.isam said:As with FPTP by elections, good second places are useless in a referendum. The winner takes it all. Remain need to learn this. !
We see this quite clearly in the case of the present administration in the USA. Trump is totally without authority.
It is the same in the UK, where Mrs May has power, thanks not least to her bribing of the DUP, but she has no authority whatsoever. Neither does the Conservative Party as a whole, whoever is its leader..
Nobody respects Mrs May, not even within her own party.
In a referendum, there are not really winners and losers, are there? We had a proposal, and everybody voted in terms of what they wanted it to mean. A senseless waste of time.
But the fact that a large number of people voted to Remain shows that the country is strongly divided - probably. Nobody in his right mind would take that as an endorsement for going full steam ahead, with half the country strongly against you. Still less for imposing drastic short-sighted hard-line Tory measures, which are claimed to be a consequence of the vote.
The government ought to be trying to bring people together. It i positive proof of Mrs May`s uselessness that she is busy making the country even more divided.0 -
It's a pack of lone wolves.nigel4england said:0 -
I said this only yesterday.rottenborough said:
Very intelligent people perhaps just aren't that intelligent.0 -
Yes and no. You could make a case like that for Sub Saharan Africa, but much less so for our biggest sources of overseas recruitment in the EU, Philippines and India. These are countries with good educational systems that produce far more trained people than jobs that are available. Greece produces more Doctors per capita than any other in the EU. These people have to work abroad to have a career, and remittences are a major earner for countries like Bangladesh and Philippines.Ishmael_Z said:
The same arguably applies to the claim that the NHS couldn't function without immigrants. What we are doing in recruiting them is abusing our financial advantage to steal human capital from the third world.Charles said:
Encouraging a brain drain is not a good thing. The school I am involved with actively encourages students to return home - their skills are needed more there than hereFF43 said:Arguably, the fact foreign students DON'T stay on is the concern. These are young, well educated, well connected, motivated and highly marketable people.
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In the Philippines, 8-9% of total GDP is in remittances from overseas workers according to Wiki. Sending people overseas is one of their biggest industries.foxinsoxuk said:
Yes and no. You could make a case like that for Sub Saharan Africa, but much less so for our biggest sources of overseas recruitment in the EU, Philippines and India. These are countries with good educational systems that produce far more trained people than jobs that are available. Greece produces more Doctors per capita than any other in the EU. These people have to work abroad to have a career, and remittences are a major earner for countries like Bangladesh and Philippines.Ishmael_Z said:
The same arguably applies to the claim that the NHS couldn't function without immigrants. What we are doing in recruiting them is abusing our financial advantage to steal human capital from the third world.Charles said:
Encouraging a brain drain is not a good thing. The school I am involved with actively encourages students to return home - their skills are needed more there than hereFF43 said:Arguably, the fact foreign students DON'T stay on is the concern. These are young, well educated, well connected, motivated and highly marketable people.
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"What is your position" comes first. Hence joke about a new Princess Yachts customer who can't start his engine so calls coastguard on VHF. "What's your position, sir?" "I am the finance director of an automotive parts company based in Solihull".Sandpit said:
Yes. If a boat (or plane) makes a Mayday call, almost the first question asked by the emergency services is for the number of people on board. Each vessel also has a limit of people (defined by no. of seats or lifejackets or space available, depending on the vessel) so they have to count people on to make sure they don’t depart overloaded.GeoffM said:
Even the Portsmouth-Gosport ferry (which I am horribly familiar with) has a bloke with a ticker to check the 6 minute journey.foxinsoxuk said:
All ferries count their passengers for safety reasons, so do have a reasonably accurate figure. Even the Isle of Wight Ferry records these numbers.Philip_Thompson said:
Every time I've flown I've had my passport scanned by the airline.Charles said:
I fly from Heathrow a couple of times a week and I've only ever once been checked (a couple of years ago)Philip_Thompson said:
Weird that article was on the BBC News homepage earlier this week. Didn't read that it was 2 years old already!RobD said:
Apparently it started a few years agoPhilip_Thompson said:
No that's not the case though it will change soon.rottenborough said:
I am not up-to-speed with the details of exiting the UK. But surely every passport is scanned?foxinsoxuk said:
The really interesting question is: If the International passenger survey is wrong on students, how reliable are its figures for other groups?tlg86 said:Have a read of the Office for Statistics Regulation's report on student migration:
https://tinyurl.com/ybpywy63
This paragraph stands out:
So we should know exactly who has left the country?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32205970
Travelling by ferry was different.0 -
Ha. I know the aviation version of the same: “What is your height and position?”;”I’m five feet eight and sitting in the front seat!”Ishmael_Z said:
"What is your position" comes first. Hence joke about a new Princess Yachts customer who can't start his engine so calls coastguard on VHF. "What's your position, sir?" "I am the finance director of an automotive parts company based in Solihull".Sandpit said:
Yes. If a boat (or plane) makes a Mayday call, almost the first question asked by the emergency services is for the number of people on board. Each vessel also has a limit of people (defined by no. of seats or lifejackets or space available, depending on the vessel) so they have to count people on to make sure they don’t depart overloaded.GeoffM said:
Even the Portsmouth-Gosport ferry (which I am horribly familiar with) has a bloke with a ticker to check the 6 minute journey.foxinsoxuk said:
All ferries count their passengers for safety reasons, so do have a reasonably accurate figure. Even the Isle of Wight Ferry records these numbers.Philip_Thompson said:
Every time I've flown I've had my passport scanned by the airline.Charles said:
I fly from Heathrow a couple of times a week and I've only ever once been checked (a couple of years ago)Philip_Thompson said:
Weird that article was on the BBC News homepage earlier this week. Didn't read that it was 2 years old already!RobD said:
Apparently it started a few years agoPhilip_Thompson said:
No that's not the case though it will change soon.rottenborough said:
I am not up-to-speed with the details of exiting the UK. But surely every passport is scanned?foxinsoxuk said:
The really interesting question is: If the International passenger survey is wrong on students, how reliable are its figures for other groups?tlg86 said:Have a read of the Office for Statistics Regulation's report on student migration:
https://tinyurl.com/ybpywy63
This paragraph stands out:
So we should know exactly who has left the country?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32205970
Travelling by ferry was different.0 -
Very good, cheers Sandpit and IshmaelSandpit said:
Ha. I know the aviation version of the same: “What is your height and position?”;”I’m five feet eight and sitting in the front seat!”Ishmael_Z said:
"What is your position" comes first. Hence joke about a new Princess Yachts customer who can't start his engine so calls coastguard on VHF. "What's your position, sir?" "I am the finance director of an automotive parts company based in Solihull".Sandpit said:
Yes. If a boat (or plane) makes a Mayday call, almost the first question asked by the emergency services is for the number of people on board. Each vessel also has a limit of people (defined by no. of seats or lifejackets or space available, depending on the vessel) so they have to count people on to make sure they don’t depart overloaded.GeoffM said:
Even the Portsmouth-Gosport ferry (which I am horribly familiar with) has a bloke with a ticker to check the 6 minute journey.foxinsoxuk said:
All ferries count their passengers for safety reasons, so do have a reasonably accurate figure. Even the Isle of Wight Ferry records these numbers.Philip_Thompson said:
Every time I've flown I've had my passport scanned by the airline.Charles said:
I fly from Heathrow a couple of times a week and I've only ever once been checked (a couple of years ago)Philip_Thompson said:
Weird that article was on the BBC News homepage earlier this week. Didn't read that it was 2 years old already!RobD said:
Apparently it started a few years agoPhilip_Thompson said:
No that's not the case though it will change soon.rottenborough said:
I am not up-to-speed with the details of exiting the UK. But surely every passport is scanned?foxinsoxuk said:
The really interesting question is: If the International passenger survey is wrong on students, how reliable are its figures for other groups?tlg86 said:Have a read of the Office for Statistics Regulation's report on student migration:
https://tinyurl.com/ybpywy63
This paragraph stands out:
So we should know exactly who has left the country?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32205970
Travelling by ferry was different.
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Correct.The_Apocalypse said:I don't see the Conservative Party membership voting him as leader.
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I don't like this idea of "stealing". If a country wants to let someone in, it is the choice of the individual whether they go or not. They are not the property of their home country.Ishmael_Z said:
The same arguably applies to the claim that the NHS couldn't function without immigrants. What we are doing in recruiting them is abusing our financial advantage to steal human capital from the third world.Charles said:
Encouraging a brain drain is not a good thing. The school I am involved with actively encourages students to return home - their skills are needed more there than hereFF43 said:Arguably, the fact foreign students DON'T stay on is the concern. These are young, well educated, well connected, motivated and highly marketable people.
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My school is the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine so rather atypical but we definitely want people back into East Africa and SEAfoxinsoxuk said:
Yes and no. You could make a case like that for Sub Saharan Africa, but much less so for our biggest sources of overseas recruitment in the EU, Philippines and India. These are countries with good educational systems that produce far more trained people than jobs that are available. Greece produces more Doctors per capita than any other in the EU. These people have to work abroad to have a career, and remittences are a major earner for countries like Bangladesh and Philippines.Ishmael_Z said:
The same arguably applies to the claim that the NHS couldn't function without immigrants. What we are doing in recruiting them is abusing our financial advantage to steal human capital from the third world.Charles said:
Encouraging a brain drain is not a good thing. The school I am involved with actively encourages students to return home - their skills are needed more there than hereFF43 said:Arguably, the fact foreign students DON'T stay on is the concern. These are young, well educated, well connected, motivated and highly marketable people.
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It's unethical of a country to create an economic system that depends on sucking the lifeblood out of weaker entities. It would be like recreating Goldman Sachs on a national level or something.rcs1000 said:
I don't like this idea of "stealing". If a country wants to let someone in, it is the choice of the individual whether they go or not. They are not the property of their home country.Ishmael_Z said:
The same arguably applies to the claim that the NHS couldn't function without immigrants. What we are doing in recruiting them is abusing our financial advantage to steal human capital from the third world.Charles said:
Encouraging a brain drain is not a good thing. The school I am involved with actively encourages students to return home - their skills are needed more there than hereFF43 said:Arguably, the fact foreign students DON'T stay on is the concern. These are young, well educated, well connected, motivated and highly marketable people.
Aah...0 -
You are right. What I meant was, distorting the market by abusing a dominant financial position.rcs1000 said:
I don't like this idea of "stealing". If a country wants to let someone in, it is the choice of the individual whether they go or not. They are not the property of their home country.Ishmael_Z said:
The same arguably applies to the claim that the NHS couldn't function without immigrants. What we are doing in recruiting them is abusing our financial advantage to steal human capital from the third world.Charles said:
Encouraging a brain drain is not a good thing. The school I am involved with actively encourages students to return home - their skills are needed more there than hereFF43 said:Arguably, the fact foreign students DON'T stay on is the concern. These are young, well educated, well connected, motivated and highly marketable people.
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Nothing in the least definite about it, I`m afraid. It would have been useful if there had been.RobD said:
There was definitely a winner and a loser in the AV referendum thoughPClipp said:
That is where you go wrong, I`m afraid. In FPTP elections, where the first placed candidate takes everything, their party may end up with power. But, depending on the size and distribution of votes cast against them, they do not necessarily end up with authority.isam said:As with FPTP by elections, good second places are useless in a referendum. The winner takes it all. Remain need to learn this. !
We see this quite clearly in the case of the present administration in the USA. Trump is totally without authority.
It is the same in the UK, where Mrs May has power, thanks not least to her bribing of the DUP, but she has no authority whatsoever. Neither does the Conservative Party as a whole, whoever is its leader..
Nobody respects Mrs May, not even within her own party.
In a referendum, there are not really winners and losers, are there? We had a proposal, and everybody voted in terms of what they wanted it to mean. A senseless waste of time.
But the fact that a large number of people voted to Remain shows that the country is strongly divided - probably. Nobody in his right mind would take that as an endorsement for going full steam ahead, with half the country strongly against you. Still less for imposing drastic short-sighted hard-line Tory measures, which are claimed to be a consequence of the vote.
The government ought to be trying to bring people together. It i positive proof of Mrs May`s uselessness that she is busy making the country even more divided.
But the Remain campaign was headed by a couple of Tory toffs who were too lazy to put in the work in the negotiations beforehand, and too lazy to present their case during the campaign. They thought they were going to win on the basis of their bullying and manipulation. There was no coherent package for people to vote FOR. And there were a couple of incompetent Tory toffs there to be voted against.
But the Leave campaign was exactly the same. A gang of Tory toffs with no coherent package on offer. People had 101 different reasons for voting for Leave, many of them contradictory. Nobody has a clue what a "Leave" package ought to look like.
If you think the result of the referendum was in any way "definite", it can only be because you are living in a fool`s paradise.
I seem to remember that you are currently living in the USA.0 -
Looks like Brussels is terrorism...
A machete-wielding man has been gunned down after attacking a group of soldiers while shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in Brussels - near a street where ISIS called for vehicle attacks just days ago.
The 30-year-old Somalian is in a critical condition after injuring the troops with witnesses reportedly hearing 'two bangs' during the incident.0 -
Terrorism or crazy or both at Bucks Palace?0
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The Euro plod are pretty good at shooting these terrorists.FrancisUrquhart said:Looks like Brussels is terrorism...
A machete-wielding man has been gunned down after attacking a group of soldiers while shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in Brussels - near a street where ISIS called for vehicle attacks just days ago.
The 30-year-old Somalian is in a critical condition after injuring the troops with witnesses reportedly hearing 'two bangs' during the incident.0 -
Boris on manoeuvres? Shirley not!!!!! 0
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You know AV != the EU referendum.PClipp said:
Nothing in the least definite about it, I`m afraid. It would have been useful if there had been.RobD said:
There was definitely a winner and a loser in the AV referendum thoughPClipp said:
That is where you go wrong, I`m afraid. In FPTP elections, where the first placed candidate takes everything, their party may end up with power. But, depending on the size and distribution of votes cast against them, they do not necessarily end up with authority.isam said:As with FPTP by elections, good second places are useless in a referendum. The winner takes it all. Remain need to learn this. !
We see this quite clearly in the case of the present administration in the USA. Trump is totally without authority.
It is the same in the UK, where Mrs May has power, thanks not least to her bribing of the DUP, but she has no authority whatsoever. Neither does the Conservative Party as a whole, whoever is its leader..
Nobody respects Mrs May, not even within her own party.
In a referendum, there are not really winners and losers, are there? We had a proposal, and everybody voted in terms of what they wanted it to mean. A senseless waste of time.
But the fact that a large number of people voted to Remain shows that the country is strongly divided - probably. Nobody in his right mind would take that as an endorsement for going full steam ahead, with half the country strongly against you. Still less for imposing drastic short-sighted hard-line Tory measures, which are claimed to be a consequence of the vote.
The government ought to be trying to bring people together. It i positive proof of Mrs May`s uselessness that she is busy making the country even more divided.
But the Remain campaign was headed by a couple of Tory toffs who were too lazy to put in the work in the negotiations beforehand, and too lazy to present their case during the campaign. They thought they were going to win on the basis of their bullying and manipulation. There was no coherent package for people to vote FOR. And there were a couple of incompetent Tory toffs there to be voted against.
But the Leave campaign was exactly the same. A gang of Tory toffs with no coherent package on offer. People had 101 different reasons for voting for Leave, many of them contradictory. Nobody has a clue what a "Leave" package ought to look like.
If you think the result of the referendum was in any way "definite", it can only be because you are living in a fool`s paradise.
I seem to remember that you are currently living in the USA.0 -
Well they have plenty of practice!foxinsoxuk said:
The Euro plod are pretty good at shooting these terrorists.FrancisUrquhart said:Looks like Brussels is terrorism...
A machete-wielding man has been gunned down after attacking a group of soldiers while shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in Brussels - near a street where ISIS called for vehicle attacks just days ago.
The 30-year-old Somalian is in a critical condition after injuring the troops with witnesses reportedly hearing 'two bangs' during the incident.0 -
Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/9007200775527014410 -
I expect the numbers of thrse low tech vehicle and knife attacks will increase as the physical IS state collapses. They require so little preparation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well they have plenty of practice!foxinsoxuk said:
The Euro plod are pretty good at shooting these terrorists.FrancisUrquhart said:Looks like Brussels is terrorism...
A machete-wielding man has been gunned down after attacking a group of soldiers while shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in Brussels - near a street where ISIS called for vehicle attacks just days ago.
The 30-year-old Somalian is in a critical condition after injuring the troops with witnesses reportedly hearing 'two bangs' during the incident.0 -
It's us offering to help out the thick foreigners with sensible advice and assistance.foxinsoxuk said:Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.
twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441
Like International Development spending aid except actually useful.
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Q. Why did the Remainer cross the road?
A. Because Brussels told him to!
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Smart move I reckon.foxinsoxuk said:Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441
They will turn round and say piss off, don't be stupid and we can then say it's no more stupid than EU citizens in the UK being under ECJ jurisdiction.
Every day that passes I am more impressed with our negotiaters0 -
That response says it all.GeoffM said:
It's us offering to help out the thick foreigners with sensible advice and assistance.foxinsoxuk said:Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.
twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441
Like International Development spending aid except actually useful.0 -
It could happen but there will be a price tag attached. I maintain that the UK government will WANT to pay big fees to the EU as one of the few ways they have getting some influence at there. Which suggests a solution to the Eurodosh problem. Instead of fixating on exit fees, the EU should just charge access fees to allow the UK to regain a portion of the influence it loses through Brexit.foxinsoxuk said:Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/9007200775527014410 -
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Expend and pretend.FF43 said:
It could happen but there will be a price tag attached. I maintain that the UK government will WANT to pay big fees to the EU as one of the few ways they have getting some influence at there. Which suggests a solution to the Eurodosh problem. Instead of fixating on exit fees, the EU should just charge access fees to allow the UK to regain a portion of the influence it loses through Brexit.foxinsoxuk said:Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/9007200775527014410 -
They need our help to survive and we're offering it.FF43 said:
It could happen but there will be a price tag attached. I maintain that the UK government will WANT to pay big fees to the EU as one of the few ways they have getting some influence at there. Which suggests a solution to the Eurodosh problem. Instead of fixating on exit fees, the EU should just charge access fees to allow the UK to regain a portion of the influence it loses through Brexit.foxinsoxuk said:Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441
I wouldn't, personally, as it will help prolong the EU and delay its inevitable collapse.
But here we are again. Always going the unappreciated extra mile...0 -
I saw dernbach live a couple of weeks ago. He is utter tripe. He has out of the back of the hand slower ball and his normal delivery. Years ago few other people could do that or had seen it. Now every T20 bowler has it in their skill set.0
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The emperor has the finest, most delicately embroidered new clothes, only a fool would deny it.nigel4england said:
Smart move I reckon.foxinsoxuk said:Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441
They will turn round and say piss off, don't be stupid and we can then say it's no more stupid than EU citizens in the UK being under ECJ jurisdiction.
Every day that passes I am more impressed with our negotiaters0 -
People are having way too much fun with these photos
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/9011714348479488000 -
Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.foxinsoxuk said:
The emperor has the finest, most delicately embroidered new clothes, only a fool would deny it.nigel4england said:
Smart move I reckon.foxinsoxuk said:Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441
They will turn round and say piss off, don't be stupid and we can then say it's no more stupid than EU citizens in the UK being under ECJ jurisdiction.
Every day that passes I am more impressed with our negotiaters0 -
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
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You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
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Only if you don't read or understand what we postPhilip_Thompson said:You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
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Pence stayed in Washington to be with Trump during the hurricane.
Trump is at Camp David...0 -
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
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You never post anything, you just retweet some pro-EU garbage.Scott_P said:
Only if you don't read or understand what we postPhilip_Thompson said:You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
Also you responded to me earlier in the day when I said I don't care if we crash out on WTO terms, saying that I didn't understand what that means.
I do, I'm sure the UK government does, what you need to be concerned about is whether the EU commissioners do.0 -
Post? No. You just retweet the opinions of other people.Scott_P said:
Only if you don't read or understand what we postPhilip_Thompson said:You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
Well, three other people now that Chapman has been sectioned for his own safety - Ian *unt, Three Names Dave and the other one.0 -
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.0 -
And to prove that none of my fans understand what I post, none of them are retweets...0
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What a typical arch-Remainer post. All mocking and no substance.foxinsoxuk said:
The emperor has the finest, most delicately embroidered new clothes, only a fool would deny it.nigel4england said:
Smart move I reckon.foxinsoxuk said:Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441
They will turn round and say piss off, don't be stupid and we can then say it's no more stupid than EU citizens in the UK being under ECJ jurisdiction.
Every day that passes I am more impressed with our negotiaters0 -
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.0 -
That's nice.foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.0 -
Ishmael_Z said:
Au contraire
GeoffM said:You just retweet
QEDnigel4england said:You never post anything, you just retweet
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It's fucking pathetic.GeoffM said:
That's nice.foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
I feel an affinity to anyone that is friendly to me or my family, whatever race, religion, nationality or gender (though not Tottenham supporters I have to admit).
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I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.0 -
I believe Tessy's Tories have dropped some of their manifesto commitments*.Ishmael_Z said:
By the same reasoning, no government elected under fptp should enact any of the policies in its manifesto.PClipp said:
That is where you go wrong, I`m afraid. In FPTP elections, where the first placed candidate takes everything, their party may end up with power. But, depending on the size and distribution of votes cast against them, they do not necessarily end up with authority.isam said:As with FPTP by elections, good second places are useless in a referendum. The winner takes it all. Remain need to learn this. !
We see this quite clearly in the case of the present administration in the USA. Trump is totally without authority.
It is the same in the UK, where Mrs May has power, thanks not least to her bribing of the DUP, but she has no authority whatsoever. Neither does the Conservative Party as a whole, whoever is its leader..
Nobody respects Mrs May, not even within her own party.
In a referendum, there are not really winners and losers, are there? We had a proposal, and everybody voted in terms of what they wanted it to mean. A senseless waste of time.
But the fact that a large number of people voted to Remain shows that the country is strongly divided - probably. Nobody in his right mind would take that as an endorsement for going full steam ahead, with half the country strongly against you. Still less for imposing drastic short-sighted hard-line Tory measures, which are claimed to be a consequence of the vote.
The government ought to be trying to bring people together. It i positive proof of Mrs May`s uselessness that she is busy making the country even more divided.
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I think that the sarcasm shone through clearlynigel4england said:
It's fucking pathetic.GeoffM said:
That's nice.foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
I feel an affinity to anyone that is friendly to me or my family, whatever race, religion, nationality or gender (though not Tottenham supporters I have to admit).
Exactly like you, I judge people on their individual merits rather than the colour of their passport cover.0 -
Too Tory?foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
Have you told that to Blair, Mandelson, Ummuna, Kinnock, Brown, Cable, Khan, Clegg and countless other Labour/Lib Dem campaigners?
Sorry doc but you talk absolute rubbish on this, you have been called out so many times I amazed that an intelligent bloke like you puts himself up for ridicule so often.
However in the spirit of goodwill I will post a wonderful anecdote about the NHS that hugely benefited my family this week if you wish.0 -
Yeah, right. Apart from nearly everything that you post here says the opposite!GeoffM said:
I think that the sarcasm shone through clearlynigel4england said:
It's fucking pathetic.GeoffM said:
That's nice.foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
I feel an affinity to anyone that is friendly to me or my family, whatever race, religion, nationality or gender (though not Tottenham supporters I have to admit).
Exactly like you, I judge people on their individual merits rather than the colour of their passport cover.
Nothing is funnier than a xenophobe on his high horse.0 -
I did appreciate the sarcasm, sorry just angry at these people who are so much more intelligent than meGeoffM said:
I think that the sarcasm shone through clearlynigel4england said:
It's fucking pathetic.GeoffM said:
That's nice.foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
I feel an affinity to anyone that is friendly to me or my family, whatever race, religion, nationality or gender (though not Tottenham supporters I have to admit).
Exactly like you, I judge people on their individual merits rather than the colour of their passport cover.0 -
Scott n pastes insistence on no retweet is like a John claiming he doesn't bang prozzies, he only dates escorts.0
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Lol. Not sure if serious.foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.0 -
That's where your narrow minded blinkered view kicks in.foxinsoxuk said:
Yeah, right. Apart from nearly everything that you post here says the opposite!GeoffM said:
I think that the sarcasm shone through clearlynigel4england said:
It's fucking pathetic.GeoffM said:
That's nice.foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
I feel an affinity to anyone that is friendly to me or my family, whatever race, religion, nationality or gender (though not Tottenham supporters I have to admit).
Exactly like you, I judge people on their individual merits rather than the colour of their passport cover.
Nothing is funnier than a xenophobe on his high horse.
Not everyone that criticises uncontrolled mass immigration is a racist, just a realist.
You really need to change your view of people, don't stereotype from your initial thoughts.0 -
Trolling, I think.MP_SE2 said:
Lol. Not sure if serious.foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
But he has no self-awareness so I'm also not sure.0 -
The Brexit referendum came about because of internal conflict in the Tory party and was conducted on that basis. Sure there were other campaigners, but it was dominated by the Tory factions, indeed the referendum was seen by many as a way of kicking the posh boys Dave and George.nigel4england said:
Too Tory?foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
Have you told that to Blair, Mandelson, Ummuna, Kinnock, Brown, Cable, Khan, Clegg and countless other Labour/Lib Dem campaigners?
Sorry doc but you talk absolute rubbish on this, you have been called out so many times I amazed that an intelligent bloke like you puts himself up for ridicule so often.
However in the spirit of goodwill I will post a wonderful anecdote about the NHS that hugely benefited my family this week if you wish.
I accept the result,but what amuses me is the constant backtracking of the Leavers. Now its continuing to write EU regulations. Its as if they do not understand the meaning of Brexit.0 -
Your inability to get it right evokes sympathy for your partner...FrancisUrquhart said:Scott n pastes insistence on no retweet is like a John claiming he doesn't bang prozzies, he only dates escorts.
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Please just give up, you are an intelligent man but this whole EU thing has made you look an idiot.foxinsoxuk said:
The Brexit referendum came about because of internal conflict in the Tory party and was conducted on that basis. Sure there were other campaigners, but it was dominated by the Tory factions, indeed the referendum was seen by many as a way of kicking the posh boys Dave and George.nigel4england said:
Too Tory?foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
Have you told that to Blair, Mandelson, Ummuna, Kinnock, Brown, Cable, Khan, Clegg and countless other Labour/Lib Dem campaigners?
Sorry doc but you talk absolute rubbish on this, you have been called out so many times I amazed that an intelligent bloke like you puts himself up for ridicule so often.
However in the spirit of goodwill I will post a wonderful anecdote about the NHS that hugely benefited my family this week if you wish.
I accept the result,but what amuses me is the constant backtracking of the Leavers. Now its continuing to write EU regulations. Its as if they do not understand the meaning of Brexit.
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It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.MP_SE2 said:
Lol. Not sure if serious.foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.0 -
There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy...Oh wait you can link to a tweet to the answer of this problem so you will f##k it up and make a tit of yourself arguing about maths you have got wrong.Scott_P said:
Your inability to get it right evokes sympathy for your partner...FrancisUrquhart said:Scott n pastes insistence on no retweet is like a John claiming he doesn't bang prozzies, he only dates escorts.
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Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.foxinsoxuk said:
It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.MP_SE2 said:
Lol. Not sure if serious.foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.0 -
That's not how the Monty Hall problem works.FrancisUrquhart said:There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy
Maybe you should look it up...0 -
There are many forms of democracy, and separation of powers between legislature, judiciary and executive in the EU is a more advanced form than our own FPTP system.nigel4england said:
Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.foxinsoxuk said:
It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.MP_SE2 said:
Lol. Not sure if serious.foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
Indeed one of the Brexiteers grievances is in being outvoted!
Brexit was always going to be a Pooterish folly, but the lack of competency by our government makes it unnessecarily destructive.
Goodnight all, and sweet dreams. My battery is flat and I have a busy day tommorow.0 -
Really? You're hoping for a goat behind one of the doors rather than a woman?Scott_P said:
That's not how the Monty Hall problem works.FrancisUrquhart said:There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy
Maybe you should look it up...
Probably should have kept that to yourself.0 -
By the eurozone, do you think that is fair seeing as we are not a member? Is that your idea of democracy?foxinsoxuk said:
There are many forms of democracy, and separation of powers between legislature, judiciary and executive in the EU is a more advanced form than our own FPTP system.nigel4england said:
Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.foxinsoxuk said:
It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.MP_SE2 said:
Lol. Not sure if serious.foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
Indeed one of the Brexiteers grievances is in being outvoted!
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Which translates to goodnight, I have lost the argument, I don't have anything positive to say about the EU after all.foxinsoxuk said:
There are many forms of democracy, and separation of powers between legislature, judiciary and executive in the EU is a more advanced form than our own FPTP system.nigel4england said:
Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.foxinsoxuk said:
It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.MP_SE2 said:
Lol. Not sure if serious.foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
Indeed one of the Brexiteers grievances is in being outvoted!
Brexit was always going to be a Pooterish folly, but the lack of competency by our government makes it unnessecarily destructive.
Goodnight all, and sweet dreams. My battery is flat and I have a busy day tommorow.0 -
Outvoted by whom?foxinsoxuk said:
There are many forms of democracy, and separation of powers between legislature, judiciary and executive in the EU is a more advanced form than our own FPTP system.nigel4england said:
Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.foxinsoxuk said:
It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.MP_SE2 said:
Lol. Not sure if serious.foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
Indeed one of the Brexiteers grievances is in being outvoted!
[checks referendum result]
Nope, not there. Won that one.0 -
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So the signatories of the treaty of Rome were acting in a John the Baptist role, were they, making straight the way of the UK? Where exactly in the EU does UK inspired democracy operate? Is it supranational or imposed on individual nations from above? Which of the six signatories was not already a democracy, and did not have a well established stock market, in 1957? Did the Greeks have anything to say, when they joined about the claim that democracy was a UK invention?foxinsoxuk said:
It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.MP_SE2 said:
Lol. Not sure if serious.foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
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Down to 1% now, but I think it fair to say that I have said a few positive things about the EU!nigel4england said:
Which translates to goodnight, I have lost the argument, I don't have anything positive to say about the EU after all.foxinsoxuk said:
There are many forms of democracy, and separation of powers between legislature, judiciary and executive in the EU is a more advanced form than our own FPTP system.nigel4england said:
Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.foxinsoxuk said:
It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.MP_SE2 said:
Lol. Not sure if serious.foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
Indeed one of the Brexiteers grievances is in being outvoted!
Brexit was always going to be a Pooterish folly, but the lack of competency by our government makes it unnessecarily destructive.
Goodnight all, and sweet dreams. My battery is flat and I have a busy day tommorow.0 -
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Lol....I did it deliberately given you fucked it when it was posed and then screamed and screamed and screamed when we told you that you were wrong.Scott_P said:
That's not how the Monty Hall problem works.FrancisUrquhart said:There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy
Maybe you should look it up...
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Not a single one.foxinsoxuk said:
Down to 1% now, but I think it fair to say that I have said a few positive things about the EU!nigel4england said:
Which translates to goodnight, I have lost the argument, I don't have anything positive to say about the EU after all.foxinsoxuk said:
There are many forms of democracy, and separation of powers between legislature, judiciary and executive in the EU is a more advanced form than our own FPTP system.nigel4england said:
Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.foxinsoxuk said:
It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.MP_SE2 said:
Lol. Not sure if serious.foxinsoxuk said:
I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.nigel4england said:
Really?foxinsoxuk said:
Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.nigel4england said:
So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.Philip_Thompson said:
You and william give a good impression of thinking that.Scott_P said:
Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks thatnigel4england said:Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
Pathetic.
I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international.
List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
Indeed one of the Brexiteers grievances is in being outvoted!
Brexit was always going to be a Pooterish folly, but the lack of competency by our government makes it unnessecarily destructive.
Goodnight all, and sweet dreams. My battery is flat and I have a busy day tommorow.0 -
Genius...FrancisUrquhart said:I did it deliberately
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Unlike yourself....Scott_P said:
Genius...FrancisUrquhart said:I did it deliberately
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I thought there was only a car behind one door!FrancisUrquhart said:
There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy...Oh wait you can link to a tweet to the answer of this problem so you will f##k it up and make a tit of yourself arguing about maths you have got wrong.Scott_P said:
Your inability to get it right evokes sympathy for your partner...FrancisUrquhart said:Scott n pastes insistence on no retweet is like a John claiming he doesn't bang prozzies, he only dates escorts.
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Lol...Careful Scott n paste already gets very confused over these kind of problems....isam said:
I thought there was only a car behind one door!FrancisUrquhart said:
There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy...Oh wait you can link to a tweet to the answer of this problem so you will f##k it up and make a tit of yourself arguing about maths you have got wrong.Scott_P said:
Your inability to get it right evokes sympathy for your partner...FrancisUrquhart said:Scott n pastes insistence on no retweet is like a John claiming he doesn't bang prozzies, he only dates escorts.
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Towards it the end it was looking like a close finish but that late and brilliant catch given Not Out on review finished it as a contest.HYUFD said:
No, I was at the game and Birmingham Bears won it in the final oversDavidL said:Surrey's opening bowler Jade Dernbach. Is 204 enough?
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Almost bumped into Derek Pringle at Headingley today. One of the first bowlers I remember watching in the early 1990s.0 -
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The escorts were Escorts. However, the "prozzy" was the SsangYong Prostitute 1.6L, an 1976 Korean ripoff of the Escort, which was hastily rebadged when they got a better translator.isam said:
I thought there was only a car behind one door!FrancisUrquhart said:
There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy...Oh wait you can link to a tweet to the answer of this problem so you will f##k it up and make a tit of yourself arguing about maths you have got wrong.Scott_P said:
Your inability to get it right evokes sympathy for your partner...FrancisUrquhart said:Scott n pastes insistence on no retweet is like a John claiming he doesn't bang prozzies, he only dates escorts.
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Given I didn't get this problem wrong when it was posed and tried to explain to you how / why you were incorrect, but you wouldn't listen...Scott_P said:
He messed it up deliberately...isam said:I thought there was only a car behind one door!
Like Brexit.
So lets try again with the retwatter stuff...you just should like a complete twat when give it the "not a retweet" stuff...everybody knows what people mean and know the difference, but it is just way easier to saying "constantly embeds links to a tweet"...
but then Dave did say too many (re)tweets make a....0 -
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Kim Jong Fatty Fatty Bum Bum playing with his toys again,
North Korea has fired "several projectiles" into sea off its eastern coast, the South Korean military says.
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Please tell me you were single, simple, wearing a wimple, eating Pringles and ready to mingle when you met Derek Pringle.AndyJS said:Almost bumped into Derek Pringle at Headingley today. One of the first bowlers I remember watching in the early 1990s.
And his lovely wife.
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It's like fishing with dynamite on here these days.
Drop a stick of Brexit over the side, and all the dead "retweet"ers float to the surface where you can haul them in.
Maybe not very sporting, but passes the time...0
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