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  • First off, I have to say @AlastairMeeks must be a contender for poster of the year. His contributions to PB both above and below the line have been absolutely brilliant throughout 2017.

    I'm not a fan of Osborne, but I think he's made a great choice to go to the Standard rather than sitting in the Commons as a backbencher. I don't see the Conservative Party membership voting him as leader.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    GeoffM said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    tlg86 said:

    Have a read of the Office for Statistics Regulation's report on student migration:

    https://tinyurl.com/ybpywy63

    This paragraph stands out:

    The really interesting question is: If the International passenger survey is wrong on students, how reliable are its figures for other groups?
    I am not up-to-speed with the details of exiting the UK. But surely every passport is scanned?
    So we should know exactly who has left the country?
    No that's not the case though it will change soon.
    Apparently it started a few years ago

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32205970
    Weird that article was on the BBC News homepage earlier this week. Didn't read that it was 2 years old already!
    I fly from Heathrow a couple of times a week and I've only ever once been checked (a couple of years ago)
    Every time I've flown I've had my passport scanned by the airline.

    Travelling by ferry was different.
    All ferries count their passengers for safety reasons, so do have a reasonably accurate figure. Even the Isle of Wight Ferry records these numbers.
    Even the Portsmouth-Gosport ferry (which I am horribly familiar with) has a bloke with a ticker to check the 6 minute journey.
    Yes. If a boat (or plane) makes a Mayday call, almost the first question asked by the emergency services is for the number of people on board. Each vessel also has a limit of people (defined by no. of seats or lifejackets or space available, depending on the vessel) so they have to count people on to make sure they don’t depart overloaded.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    PClipp said:

    isam said:

    As with FPTP by elections, good second places are useless in a referendum. The winner takes it all. Remain need to learn this. !

    That is where you go wrong, I`m afraid. In FPTP elections, where the first placed candidate takes everything, their party may end up with power. But, depending on the size and distribution of votes cast against them, they do not necessarily end up with authority.

    We see this quite clearly in the case of the present administration in the USA. Trump is totally without authority.

    It is the same in the UK, where Mrs May has power, thanks not least to her bribing of the DUP, but she has no authority whatsoever. Neither does the Conservative Party as a whole, whoever is its leader..

    Nobody respects Mrs May, not even within her own party.

    In a referendum, there are not really winners and losers, are there? We had a proposal, and everybody voted in terms of what they wanted it to mean. A senseless waste of time.

    But the fact that a large number of people voted to Remain shows that the country is strongly divided - probably. Nobody in his right mind would take that as an endorsement for going full steam ahead, with half the country strongly against you. Still less for imposing drastic short-sighted hard-line Tory measures, which are claimed to be a consequence of the vote.

    The government ought to be trying to bring people together. It i positive proof of Mrs May`s uselessness that she is busy making the country even more divided.
    "by elections"
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Hopefully no one was seriously hurt...
    This sort of event seems to happen several times a week now somewhere across Europe.
    It's a pack of lone wolves.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,247
    I said this only yesterday.

    Very intelligent people perhaps just aren't that intelligent.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Charles said:

    FF43 said:

    Arguably, the fact foreign students DON'T stay on is the concern. These are young, well educated, well connected, motivated and highly marketable people.

    Encouraging a brain drain is not a good thing. The school I am involved with actively encourages students to return home - their skills are needed more there than here
    The same arguably applies to the claim that the NHS couldn't function without immigrants. What we are doing in recruiting them is abusing our financial advantage to steal human capital from the third world.
    Yes and no. You could make a case like that for Sub Saharan Africa, but much less so for our biggest sources of overseas recruitment in the EU, Philippines and India. These are countries with good educational systems that produce far more trained people than jobs that are available. Greece produces more Doctors per capita than any other in the EU. These people have to work abroad to have a career, and remittences are a major earner for countries like Bangladesh and Philippines.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Charles said:

    FF43 said:

    Arguably, the fact foreign students DON'T stay on is the concern. These are young, well educated, well connected, motivated and highly marketable people.

    Encouraging a brain drain is not a good thing. The school I am involved with actively encourages students to return home - their skills are needed more there than here
    The same arguably applies to the claim that the NHS couldn't function without immigrants. What we are doing in recruiting them is abusing our financial advantage to steal human capital from the third world.
    Yes and no. You could make a case like that for Sub Saharan Africa, but much less so for our biggest sources of overseas recruitment in the EU, Philippines and India. These are countries with good educational systems that produce far more trained people than jobs that are available. Greece produces more Doctors per capita than any other in the EU. These people have to work abroad to have a career, and remittences are a major earner for countries like Bangladesh and Philippines.
    In the Philippines, 8-9% of total GDP is in remittances from overseas workers according to Wiki. Sending people overseas is one of their biggest industries.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Sandpit said:

    GeoffM said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    tlg86 said:

    Have a read of the Office for Statistics Regulation's report on student migration:

    https://tinyurl.com/ybpywy63

    This paragraph stands out:

    The really interesting question is: If the International passenger survey is wrong on students, how reliable are its figures for other groups?
    I am not up-to-speed with the details of exiting the UK. But surely every passport is scanned?
    So we should know exactly who has left the country?
    No that's not the case though it will change soon.
    Apparently it started a few years ago

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32205970
    Weird that article was on the BBC News homepage earlier this week. Didn't read that it was 2 years old already!
    I fly from Heathrow a couple of times a week and I've only ever once been checked (a couple of years ago)
    Every time I've flown I've had my passport scanned by the airline.

    Travelling by ferry was different.
    All ferries count their passengers for safety reasons, so do have a reasonably accurate figure. Even the Isle of Wight Ferry records these numbers.
    Even the Portsmouth-Gosport ferry (which I am horribly familiar with) has a bloke with a ticker to check the 6 minute journey.
    Yes. If a boat (or plane) makes a Mayday call, almost the first question asked by the emergency services is for the number of people on board. Each vessel also has a limit of people (defined by no. of seats or lifejackets or space available, depending on the vessel) so they have to count people on to make sure they don’t depart overloaded.
    "What is your position" comes first. Hence joke about a new Princess Yachts customer who can't start his engine so calls coastguard on VHF. "What's your position, sir?" "I am the finance director of an automotive parts company based in Solihull".
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Sandpit said:

    GeoffM said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    tlg86 said:

    Have a read of the Office for Statistics Regulation's report on student migration:

    https://tinyurl.com/ybpywy63

    This paragraph stands out:

    The really interesting question is: If the International passenger survey is wrong on students, how reliable are its figures for other groups?
    I am not up-to-speed with the details of exiting the UK. But surely every passport is scanned?
    So we should know exactly who has left the country?
    No that's not the case though it will change soon.
    Apparently it started a few years ago

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32205970
    Weird that article was on the BBC News homepage earlier this week. Didn't read that it was 2 years old already!
    I fly from Heathrow a couple of times a week and I've only ever once been checked (a couple of years ago)
    Every time I've flown I've had my passport scanned by the airline.

    Travelling by ferry was different.
    All ferries count their passengers for safety reasons, so do have a reasonably accurate figure. Even the Isle of Wight Ferry records these numbers.
    Even the Portsmouth-Gosport ferry (which I am horribly familiar with) has a bloke with a ticker to check the 6 minute journey.
    Yes. If a boat (or plane) makes a Mayday call, almost the first question asked by the emergency services is for the number of people on board. Each vessel also has a limit of people (defined by no. of seats or lifejackets or space available, depending on the vessel) so they have to count people on to make sure they don’t depart overloaded.
    "What is your position" comes first. Hence joke about a new Princess Yachts customer who can't start his engine so calls coastguard on VHF. "What's your position, sir?" "I am the finance director of an automotive parts company based in Solihull".
    Ha. I know the aviation version of the same: “What is your height and position?”;”I’m five feet eight and sitting in the front seat!”
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited August 2017
    Sandpit said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Sandpit said:

    GeoffM said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    tlg86 said:

    Have a read of the Office for Statistics Regulation's report on student migration:

    https://tinyurl.com/ybpywy63

    This paragraph stands out:

    The really interesting question is: If the International passenger survey is wrong on students, how reliable are its figures for other groups?
    I am not up-to-speed with the details of exiting the UK. But surely every passport is scanned?
    So we should know exactly who has left the country?
    No that's not the case though it will change soon.
    Apparently it started a few years ago

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32205970
    Weird that article was on the BBC News homepage earlier this week. Didn't read that it was 2 years old already!
    I fly from Heathrow a couple of times a week and I've only ever once been checked (a couple of years ago)
    Every time I've flown I've had my passport scanned by the airline.

    Travelling by ferry was different.
    All ferries count their passengers for safety reasons, so do have a reasonably accurate figure. Even the Isle of Wight Ferry records these numbers.
    Even the Portsmouth-Gosport ferry (which I am horribly familiar with) has a bloke with a ticker to check the 6 minute journey.
    Yes. If a boat (or plane) makes a Mayday call, almost the first question asked by the emergency services is for the number of people on board. Each vessel also has a limit of people (defined by no. of seats or lifejackets or space available, depending on the vessel) so they have to count people on to make sure they don’t depart overloaded.
    "What is your position" comes first. Hence joke about a new Princess Yachts customer who can't start his engine so calls coastguard on VHF. "What's your position, sir?" "I am the finance director of an automotive parts company based in Solihull".
    Ha. I know the aviation version of the same: “What is your height and position?”;”I’m five feet eight and sitting in the front seat!”
    Very good, cheers Sandpit and Ishmael :)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,247

    I don't see the Conservative Party membership voting him as leader.

    Correct.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,892
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Charles said:

    FF43 said:

    Arguably, the fact foreign students DON'T stay on is the concern. These are young, well educated, well connected, motivated and highly marketable people.

    Encouraging a brain drain is not a good thing. The school I am involved with actively encourages students to return home - their skills are needed more there than here
    The same arguably applies to the claim that the NHS couldn't function without immigrants. What we are doing in recruiting them is abusing our financial advantage to steal human capital from the third world.
    I don't like this idea of "stealing". If a country wants to let someone in, it is the choice of the individual whether they go or not. They are not the property of their home country.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Charles said:

    FF43 said:

    Arguably, the fact foreign students DON'T stay on is the concern. These are young, well educated, well connected, motivated and highly marketable people.

    Encouraging a brain drain is not a good thing. The school I am involved with actively encourages students to return home - their skills are needed more there than here
    The same arguably applies to the claim that the NHS couldn't function without immigrants. What we are doing in recruiting them is abusing our financial advantage to steal human capital from the third world.
    Yes and no. You could make a case like that for Sub Saharan Africa, but much less so for our biggest sources of overseas recruitment in the EU, Philippines and India. These are countries with good educational systems that produce far more trained people than jobs that are available. Greece produces more Doctors per capita than any other in the EU. These people have to work abroad to have a career, and remittences are a major earner for countries like Bangladesh and Philippines.
    My school is the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine so rather atypical but we definitely want people back into East Africa and SEA
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Charles said:

    FF43 said:

    Arguably, the fact foreign students DON'T stay on is the concern. These are young, well educated, well connected, motivated and highly marketable people.

    Encouraging a brain drain is not a good thing. The school I am involved with actively encourages students to return home - their skills are needed more there than here
    The same arguably applies to the claim that the NHS couldn't function without immigrants. What we are doing in recruiting them is abusing our financial advantage to steal human capital from the third world.
    I don't like this idea of "stealing". If a country wants to let someone in, it is the choice of the individual whether they go or not. They are not the property of their home country.
    It's unethical of a country to create an economic system that depends on sucking the lifeblood out of weaker entities. It would be like recreating Goldman Sachs on a national level or something.

    Aah...
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    rcs1000 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Charles said:

    FF43 said:

    Arguably, the fact foreign students DON'T stay on is the concern. These are young, well educated, well connected, motivated and highly marketable people.

    Encouraging a brain drain is not a good thing. The school I am involved with actively encourages students to return home - their skills are needed more there than here
    The same arguably applies to the claim that the NHS couldn't function without immigrants. What we are doing in recruiting them is abusing our financial advantage to steal human capital from the third world.
    I don't like this idea of "stealing". If a country wants to let someone in, it is the choice of the individual whether they go or not. They are not the property of their home country.
    You are right. What I meant was, distorting the market by abusing a dominant financial position.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    RobD said:

    PClipp said:

    isam said:

    As with FPTP by elections, good second places are useless in a referendum. The winner takes it all. Remain need to learn this. !

    That is where you go wrong, I`m afraid. In FPTP elections, where the first placed candidate takes everything, their party may end up with power. But, depending on the size and distribution of votes cast against them, they do not necessarily end up with authority.

    We see this quite clearly in the case of the present administration in the USA. Trump is totally without authority.

    It is the same in the UK, where Mrs May has power, thanks not least to her bribing of the DUP, but she has no authority whatsoever. Neither does the Conservative Party as a whole, whoever is its leader..

    Nobody respects Mrs May, not even within her own party.

    In a referendum, there are not really winners and losers, are there? We had a proposal, and everybody voted in terms of what they wanted it to mean. A senseless waste of time.

    But the fact that a large number of people voted to Remain shows that the country is strongly divided - probably. Nobody in his right mind would take that as an endorsement for going full steam ahead, with half the country strongly against you. Still less for imposing drastic short-sighted hard-line Tory measures, which are claimed to be a consequence of the vote.

    The government ought to be trying to bring people together. It i positive proof of Mrs May`s uselessness that she is busy making the country even more divided.
    There was definitely a winner and a loser in the AV referendum though ;)
    Nothing in the least definite about it, I`m afraid. It would have been useful if there had been.

    But the Remain campaign was headed by a couple of Tory toffs who were too lazy to put in the work in the negotiations beforehand, and too lazy to present their case during the campaign. They thought they were going to win on the basis of their bullying and manipulation. There was no coherent package for people to vote FOR. And there were a couple of incompetent Tory toffs there to be voted against.

    But the Leave campaign was exactly the same. A gang of Tory toffs with no coherent package on offer. People had 101 different reasons for voting for Leave, many of them contradictory. Nobody has a clue what a "Leave" package ought to look like.

    If you think the result of the referendum was in any way "definite", it can only be because you are living in a fool`s paradise.

    I seem to remember that you are currently living in the USA.
  • Looks like Brussels is terrorism...

    A machete-wielding man has been gunned down after attacking a group of soldiers while shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in Brussels - near a street where ISIS called for vehicle attacks just days ago.

    The 30-year-old Somalian is in a critical condition after injuring the troops with witnesses reportedly hearing 'two bangs' during the incident.
  • Terrorism or crazy or both at Bucks Palace?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Looks like Brussels is terrorism...

    A machete-wielding man has been gunned down after attacking a group of soldiers while shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in Brussels - near a street where ISIS called for vehicle attacks just days ago.

    The 30-year-old Somalian is in a critical condition after injuring the troops with witnesses reportedly hearing 'two bangs' during the incident.

    The Euro plod are pretty good at shooting these terrorists.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    Boris on manoeuvres? Shirley not!!!!! ;)
  • PClipp said:

    RobD said:

    PClipp said:

    isam said:

    As with FPTP by elections, good second places are useless in a referendum. The winner takes it all. Remain need to learn this. !

    That is where you go wrong, I`m afraid. In FPTP elections, where the first placed candidate takes everything, their party may end up with power. But, depending on the size and distribution of votes cast against them, they do not necessarily end up with authority.

    We see this quite clearly in the case of the present administration in the USA. Trump is totally without authority.

    It is the same in the UK, where Mrs May has power, thanks not least to her bribing of the DUP, but she has no authority whatsoever. Neither does the Conservative Party as a whole, whoever is its leader..

    Nobody respects Mrs May, not even within her own party.

    In a referendum, there are not really winners and losers, are there? We had a proposal, and everybody voted in terms of what they wanted it to mean. A senseless waste of time.

    But the fact that a large number of people voted to Remain shows that the country is strongly divided - probably. Nobody in his right mind would take that as an endorsement for going full steam ahead, with half the country strongly against you. Still less for imposing drastic short-sighted hard-line Tory measures, which are claimed to be a consequence of the vote.

    The government ought to be trying to bring people together. It i positive proof of Mrs May`s uselessness that she is busy making the country even more divided.
    There was definitely a winner and a loser in the AV referendum though ;)
    Nothing in the least definite about it, I`m afraid. It would have been useful if there had been.

    But the Remain campaign was headed by a couple of Tory toffs who were too lazy to put in the work in the negotiations beforehand, and too lazy to present their case during the campaign. They thought they were going to win on the basis of their bullying and manipulation. There was no coherent package for people to vote FOR. And there were a couple of incompetent Tory toffs there to be voted against.

    But the Leave campaign was exactly the same. A gang of Tory toffs with no coherent package on offer. People had 101 different reasons for voting for Leave, many of them contradictory. Nobody has a clue what a "Leave" package ought to look like.

    If you think the result of the referendum was in any way "definite", it can only be because you are living in a fool`s paradise.

    I seem to remember that you are currently living in the USA.
    You know AV != the EU referendum.
  • Looks like Brussels is terrorism...

    A machete-wielding man has been gunned down after attacking a group of soldiers while shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in Brussels - near a street where ISIS called for vehicle attacks just days ago.

    The 30-year-old Somalian is in a critical condition after injuring the troops with witnesses reportedly hearing 'two bangs' during the incident.

    The Euro plod are pretty good at shooting these terrorists.
    Well they have plenty of practice!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.

    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Looks like Brussels is terrorism...

    A machete-wielding man has been gunned down after attacking a group of soldiers while shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in Brussels - near a street where ISIS called for vehicle attacks just days ago.

    The 30-year-old Somalian is in a critical condition after injuring the troops with witnesses reportedly hearing 'two bangs' during the incident.

    The Euro plod are pretty good at shooting these terrorists.
    Well they have plenty of practice!
    I expect the numbers of thrse low tech vehicle and knife attacks will increase as the physical IS state collapses. They require so little preparation.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.
    twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441

    It's us offering to help out the thick foreigners with sensible advice and assistance.

    Like International Development spending aid except actually useful.
  • Q. Why did the Remainer cross the road?

    A. Because Brussels told him to!

    :lol:
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.

    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441

    Smart move I reckon.

    They will turn round and say piss off, don't be stupid and we can then say it's no more stupid than EU citizens in the UK being under ECJ jurisdiction.

    Every day that passes I am more impressed with our negotiaters
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    GeoffM said:

    Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.
    twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441

    It's us offering to help out the thick foreigners with sensible advice and assistance.

    Like International Development spending aid except actually useful.
    That response says it all.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,405

    Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.

    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441

    It could happen but there will be a price tag attached. I maintain that the UK government will WANT to pay big fees to the EU as one of the few ways they have getting some influence at there. Which suggests a solution to the Eurodosh problem. Instead of fixating on exit fees, the EU should just charge access fees to allow the UK to regain a portion of the influence it loses through Brexit.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,851
    FF43 said:

    Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.

    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441

    It could happen but there will be a price tag attached. I maintain that the UK government will WANT to pay big fees to the EU as one of the few ways they have getting some influence at there. Which suggests a solution to the Eurodosh problem. Instead of fixating on exit fees, the EU should just charge access fees to allow the UK to regain a portion of the influence it loses through Brexit.
    Expend and pretend.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    FF43 said:

    Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.

    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441

    It could happen but there will be a price tag attached. I maintain that the UK government will WANT to pay big fees to the EU as one of the few ways they have getting some influence at there. Which suggests a solution to the Eurodosh problem. Instead of fixating on exit fees, the EU should just charge access fees to allow the UK to regain a portion of the influence it loses through Brexit.
    They need our help to survive and we're offering it.

    I wouldn't, personally, as it will help prolong the EU and delay its inevitable collapse.

    But here we are again. Always going the unappreciated extra mile...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215
    DavidL said:

    Surrey's opening bowler Jade Dernbach. Is 204 enough?

    Nope Dernbachs 4 overs went for 49. What on earth do people see in him?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Surrey's opening bowler Jade Dernbach. Is 204 enough?

    Nope Dernbachs 4 overs went for 49. What on earth do people see in him?
    Free runs, it seems. 6 wicket win!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited August 2017
    I saw dernbach live a couple of weeks ago. He is utter tripe. He has out of the back of the hand slower ball and his normal delivery. Years ago few other people could do that or had seen it. Now every T20 bowler has it in their skill set.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.

    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441

    Smart move I reckon.

    They will turn round and say piss off, don't be stupid and we can then say it's no more stupid than EU citizens in the UK being under ECJ jurisdiction.

    Every day that passes I am more impressed with our negotiaters
    The emperor has the finest, most delicately embroidered new clothes, only a fool would deny it.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    People are having way too much fun with these photos

    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/901171434847948800
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.

    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441

    Smart move I reckon.

    They will turn round and say piss off, don't be stupid and we can then say it's no more stupid than EU citizens in the UK being under ECJ jurisdiction.

    Every day that passes I am more impressed with our negotiaters
    The emperor has the finest, most delicately embroidered new clothes, only a fool would deny it.
    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
  • Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.

    Only if you don't read or understand what we post
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pence stayed in Washington to be with Trump during the hurricane.

    Trump is at Camp David...
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Scott_P said:

    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.

    Only if you don't read or understand what we post
    You never post anything, you just retweet some pro-EU garbage.

    Also you responded to me earlier in the day when I said I don't care if we crash out on WTO terms, saying that I didn't understand what that means.

    I do, I'm sure the UK government does, what you need to be concerned about is whether the EU commissioners do.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Scott_P said:

    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.

    Only if you don't read or understand what we post
    Post? No. You just retweet the opinions of other people.

    Well, three other people now that Chapman has been sectioned for his own safety - Ian *unt, Three Names Dave and the other one.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    And to prove that none of my fans understand what I post, none of them are retweets...
  • Our government really do not seem to understand that Brexit means Brexit.

    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/900720077552701441

    Smart move I reckon.

    They will turn round and say piss off, don't be stupid and we can then say it's no more stupid than EU citizens in the UK being under ECJ jurisdiction.

    Every day that passes I am more impressed with our negotiaters
    The emperor has the finest, most delicately embroidered new clothes, only a fool would deny it.
    What a typical arch-Remainer post. All mocking and no substance.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    That's nice.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Scott_P said:

    And to prove that none of my fans understand what I post, none of them are retweets...

    Au contraire, the neologism "retwatting" has been widely adopted to counter that very point.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Au contraire

    GeoffM said:

    You just retweet

    You never post anything, you just retweet

    QED
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    That's nice.
    It's fucking pathetic.

    I feel an affinity to anyone that is friendly to me or my family, whatever race, religion, nationality or gender (though not Tottenham supporters I have to admit).

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,359
    Ishmael_Z said:

    PClipp said:

    isam said:

    As with FPTP by elections, good second places are useless in a referendum. The winner takes it all. Remain need to learn this. !

    That is where you go wrong, I`m afraid. In FPTP elections, where the first placed candidate takes everything, their party may end up with power. But, depending on the size and distribution of votes cast against them, they do not necessarily end up with authority.

    We see this quite clearly in the case of the present administration in the USA. Trump is totally without authority.

    It is the same in the UK, where Mrs May has power, thanks not least to her bribing of the DUP, but she has no authority whatsoever. Neither does the Conservative Party as a whole, whoever is its leader..

    Nobody respects Mrs May, not even within her own party.

    In a referendum, there are not really winners and losers, are there? We had a proposal, and everybody voted in terms of what they wanted it to mean. A senseless waste of time.

    But the fact that a large number of people voted to Remain shows that the country is strongly divided - probably. Nobody in his right mind would take that as an endorsement for going full steam ahead, with half the country strongly against you. Still less for imposing drastic short-sighted hard-line Tory measures, which are claimed to be a consequence of the vote.

    The government ought to be trying to bring people together. It i positive proof of Mrs May`s uselessness that she is busy making the country even more divided.
    By the same reasoning, no government elected under fptp should enact any of the policies in its manifesto.
    I believe Tessy's Tories have dropped some of their manifesto commitments*.

    *airy fairy, pie-in-the-sky aspirations
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    That's nice.
    It's fucking pathetic.

    I feel an affinity to anyone that is friendly to me or my family, whatever race, religion, nationality or gender (though not Tottenham supporters I have to admit).

    I think that the sarcasm shone through clearly :)

    Exactly like you, I judge people on their individual merits rather than the colour of their passport cover.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Too Tory?

    Have you told that to Blair, Mandelson, Ummuna, Kinnock, Brown, Cable, Khan, Clegg and countless other Labour/Lib Dem campaigners?

    Sorry doc but you talk absolute rubbish on this, you have been called out so many times I amazed that an intelligent bloke like you puts himself up for ridicule so often.

    However in the spirit of goodwill I will post a wonderful anecdote about the NHS that hugely benefited my family this week if you wish.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    That's nice.
    It's fucking pathetic.

    I feel an affinity to anyone that is friendly to me or my family, whatever race, religion, nationality or gender (though not Tottenham supporters I have to admit).

    I think that the sarcasm shone through clearly :)

    Exactly like you, I judge people on their individual merits rather than the colour of their passport cover.
    Yeah, right. Apart from nearly everything that you post here says the opposite!

    Nothing is funnier than a xenophobe on his high horse.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    That's nice.
    It's fucking pathetic.

    I feel an affinity to anyone that is friendly to me or my family, whatever race, religion, nationality or gender (though not Tottenham supporters I have to admit).

    I think that the sarcasm shone through clearly :)

    Exactly like you, I judge people on their individual merits rather than the colour of their passport cover.
    I did appreciate the sarcasm, sorry just angry at these people who are so much more intelligent than me
  • Scott n pastes insistence on no retweet is like a John claiming he doesn't bang prozzies, he only dates escorts.
  • MP_SE2MP_SE2 Posts: 77

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Lol. Not sure if serious.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    That's nice.
    It's fucking pathetic.

    I feel an affinity to anyone that is friendly to me or my family, whatever race, religion, nationality or gender (though not Tottenham supporters I have to admit).

    I think that the sarcasm shone through clearly :)

    Exactly like you, I judge people on their individual merits rather than the colour of their passport cover.
    Yeah, right. Apart from nearly everything that you post here says the opposite!

    Nothing is funnier than a xenophobe on his high horse.
    That's where your narrow minded blinkered view kicks in.

    Not everyone that criticises uncontrolled mass immigration is a racist, just a realist.

    You really need to change your view of people, don't stereotype from your initial thoughts.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    MP_SE2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Lol. Not sure if serious.
    Trolling, I think.
    But he has no self-awareness so I'm also not sure.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Too Tory?

    Have you told that to Blair, Mandelson, Ummuna, Kinnock, Brown, Cable, Khan, Clegg and countless other Labour/Lib Dem campaigners?

    Sorry doc but you talk absolute rubbish on this, you have been called out so many times I amazed that an intelligent bloke like you puts himself up for ridicule so often.

    However in the spirit of goodwill I will post a wonderful anecdote about the NHS that hugely benefited my family this week if you wish.
    The Brexit referendum came about because of internal conflict in the Tory party and was conducted on that basis. Sure there were other campaigners, but it was dominated by the Tory factions, indeed the referendum was seen by many as a way of kicking the posh boys Dave and George.

    I accept the result,but what amuses me is the constant backtracking of the Leavers. Now its continuing to write EU regulations. Its as if they do not understand the meaning of Brexit.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Scott n pastes insistence on no retweet is like a John claiming he doesn't bang prozzies, he only dates escorts.

    Your inability to get it right evokes sympathy for your partner...
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Too Tory?

    Have you told that to Blair, Mandelson, Ummuna, Kinnock, Brown, Cable, Khan, Clegg and countless other Labour/Lib Dem campaigners?

    Sorry doc but you talk absolute rubbish on this, you have been called out so many times I amazed that an intelligent bloke like you puts himself up for ridicule so often.

    However in the spirit of goodwill I will post a wonderful anecdote about the NHS that hugely benefited my family this week if you wish.
    The Brexit referendum came about because of internal conflict in the Tory party and was conducted on that basis. Sure there were other campaigners, but it was dominated by the Tory factions, indeed the referendum was seen by many as a way of kicking the posh boys Dave and George.

    I accept the result,but what amuses me is the constant backtracking of the Leavers. Now its continuing to write EU regulations. Its as if they do not understand the meaning of Brexit.
    Please just give up, you are an intelligent man but this whole EU thing has made you look an idiot.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MP_SE2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Lol. Not sure if serious.
    It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.
  • Scott_P said:

    Scott n pastes insistence on no retweet is like a John claiming he doesn't bang prozzies, he only dates escorts.

    Your inability to get it right evokes sympathy for your partner...
    There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy...Oh wait you can link to a tweet to the answer of this problem so you will f##k it up and make a tit of yourself arguing about maths you have got wrong.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    MP_SE2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Lol. Not sure if serious.
    It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.
    Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy

    That's not how the Monty Hall problem works.

    Maybe you should look it up...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited August 2017

    MP_SE2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Lol. Not sure if serious.
    It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.
    Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.
    There are many forms of democracy, and separation of powers between legislature, judiciary and executive in the EU is a more advanced form than our own FPTP system.

    Indeed one of the Brexiteers grievances is in being outvoted!

    Brexit was always going to be a Pooterish folly, but the lack of competency by our government makes it unnessecarily destructive.

    Goodnight all, and sweet dreams. My battery is flat and I have a busy day tommorow.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Scott_P said:

    There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy

    That's not how the Monty Hall problem works.

    Maybe you should look it up...
    Really? You're hoping for a goat behind one of the doors rather than a woman?
    Probably should have kept that to yourself.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    MP_SE2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Lol. Not sure if serious.
    It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.
    Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.
    There are many forms of democracy, and separation of powers between legislature, judiciary and executive in the EU is a more advanced form than our own FPTP system.

    Indeed one of the Brexiteers grievances is in being outvoted!
    By the eurozone, do you think that is fair seeing as we are not a member? Is that your idea of democracy?

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    MP_SE2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Lol. Not sure if serious.
    It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.
    Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.
    There are many forms of democracy, and separation of powers between legislature, judiciary and executive in the EU is a more advanced form than our own FPTP system.

    Indeed one of the Brexiteers grievances is in being outvoted!

    Brexit was always going to be a Pooterish folly, but the lack of competency by our government makes it unnessecarily destructive.

    Goodnight all, and sweet dreams. My battery is flat and I have a busy day tommorow.
    Which translates to goodnight, I have lost the argument, I don't have anything positive to say about the EU after all.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    MP_SE2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Lol. Not sure if serious.
    It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.
    Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.
    There are many forms of democracy, and separation of powers between legislature, judiciary and executive in the EU is a more advanced form than our own FPTP system.

    Indeed one of the Brexiteers grievances is in being outvoted!
    Outvoted by whom?
    [checks referendum result]
    Nope, not there. Won that one.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    GeoffM said:

    You're hoping for a goat behind one of the doors rather than a woman?

    Proving again that you neither read nor understand my posts

    QED
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Scott_P said:

    GeoffM said:

    You're hoping for a goat behind one of the doors rather than a woman?

    Proving again that you neither read nor understand my posts

    QED
    Think you are being smart by posting QED?

    You've demonstrated nothing other than that you are a whizz at reposting other peoples tweets.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    MP_SE2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international collaborative organisations like the EU are the way forward for civilisation. The EU has never done anything to harm me or mine, and has been of immense benefit to our country.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Lol. Not sure if serious.
    It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.
    So the signatories of the treaty of Rome were acting in a John the Baptist role, were they, making straight the way of the UK? Where exactly in the EU does UK inspired democracy operate? Is it supranational or imposed on individual nations from above? Which of the six signatories was not already a democracy, and did not have a well established stock market, in 1957? Did the Greeks have anything to say, when they joined about the claim that democracy was a UK invention?

    Batshit craziness.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    MP_SE2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Lol. Not sure if serious.
    It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.
    Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.
    There are many forms of democracy, and separation of powers between legislature, judiciary and executive in the EU is a more advanced form than our own FPTP system.

    Indeed one of the Brexiteers grievances is in being outvoted!

    Brexit was always going to be a Pooterish folly, but the lack of competency by our government makes it unnessecarily destructive.

    Goodnight all, and sweet dreams. My battery is flat and I have a busy day tommorow.
    Which translates to goodnight, I have lost the argument, I don't have anything positive to say about the EU after all.
    Down to 1% now, but I think it fair to say that I have said a few positive things about the EU!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited August 2017
    Scott_P said:

    There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy

    That's not how the Monty Hall problem works.

    Maybe you should look it up...
    Lol....I did it deliberately given you fucked it when it was posed and then screamed and screamed and screamed when we told you that you were wrong.

    Seriously, the whole it's not a "retweet" is just tiresome.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    MP_SE2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Only a fool would think that everything the EU does is wonderful and everything the UK does is terrible.

    Only an idiot would think that anyone thinks that
    You and william give a good impression of thinking that.
    So does Dr Fox, I remember before the referendum he said his main reasons for voting Remain was it makes his life easier at work with form filling, and he fancies retiring to the sun one day.

    Pathetic.

    Not my main reason, but pragmatic supplementary ones.

    I like Europe, feel an affinity with other Europeans, and believe that international.
    Really?

    List those benefits then, and please explain why the Remain campaign did not use them during the campaign.
    I criticised the Remain campaign at the time for being too Tory, and too based on project fear, and devoid of positive vision.

    The benefits are both tangible in terms of trade prosperity and interchange with other Europeans, but also the unification of a continent by peaceful means to reconstruct countries that had laboured under the yoke of either fascist or Communist despots. These are now prosperous, free market democracies. We have used the EU to refashion the continent in our image.
    Lol. Not sure if serious.
    It is not entirely in our image. The pupil has now exceeded its teacher, being better at both capitalism and democracy. In large part this is the cause of the Brexiteers envy and jealousy of the EU.
    Please just stop! The simple fact that you have put 'EU' and 'democracy' in the same sentence should be warning enough.
    There are many forms of democracy, and separation of powers between legislature, judiciary and executive in the EU is a more advanced form than our own FPTP system.

    Indeed one of the Brexiteers grievances is in being outvoted!

    Brexit was always going to be a Pooterish folly, but the lack of competency by our government makes it unnessecarily destructive.

    Goodnight all, and sweet dreams. My battery is flat and I have a busy day tommorow.
    Which translates to goodnight, I have lost the argument, I don't have anything positive to say about the EU after all.
    Down to 1% now, but I think it fair to say that I have said a few positive things about the EU!
    Not a single one.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    I did it deliberately

    Genius...
  • Scott_P said:

    I did it deliberately

    Genius...
    Unlike yourself....
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Scott_P said:

    Scott n pastes insistence on no retweet is like a John claiming he doesn't bang prozzies, he only dates escorts.

    Your inability to get it right evokes sympathy for your partner...
    There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy...Oh wait you can link to a tweet to the answer of this problem so you will f##k it up and make a tit of yourself arguing about maths you have got wrong.
    I thought there was only a car behind one door!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited August 2017
    isam said:

    Scott_P said:

    Scott n pastes insistence on no retweet is like a John claiming he doesn't bang prozzies, he only dates escorts.

    Your inability to get it right evokes sympathy for your partner...
    There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy...Oh wait you can link to a tweet to the answer of this problem so you will f##k it up and make a tit of yourself arguing about maths you have got wrong.
    I thought there was only a car behind one door!
    Lol...Careful Scott n paste already gets very confused over these kind of problems....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    edited August 2017
    DavidL said:

    Surrey's opening bowler Jade Dernbach. Is 204 enough?

    No, I was at the game and Birmingham Bears won it in the final overs
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Surrey's opening bowler Jade Dernbach. Is 204 enough?

    No, I was at the game and Birmingham Bears won it in the final overs
    Towards it the end it was looking like a close finish but that late and brilliant catch given Not Out on review finished it as a contest.

    I hope you had a great evening there. Watching on television is a poor substitute.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T

    Almost bumped into Derek Pringle at Headingley today. One of the first bowlers I remember watching in the early 1990s.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    isam said:

    I thought there was only a car behind one door!

    He messed it up deliberately...

    Like Brexit.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Scott_P said:

    isam said:

    I thought there was only a car behind one door!

    He messed it up deliberately...

    Like Brexit.
    Give it up Scott, you are an idiot
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Scott_P said:

    isam said:

    I thought there was only a car behind one door!

    He messed it up deliberately...

    Like Brexit.
    Who messed Brexit up deliberately? Cameron? Wanted an early out?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,745
    isam said:

    Scott_P said:

    Scott n pastes insistence on no retweet is like a John claiming he doesn't bang prozzies, he only dates escorts.

    Your inability to get it right evokes sympathy for your partner...
    There are three doors, behind 2 are escorts and 1 a prozzy...Oh wait you can link to a tweet to the answer of this problem so you will f##k it up and make a tit of yourself arguing about maths you have got wrong.
    I thought there was only a car behind one door!
    The escorts were Escorts. However, the "prozzy" was the SsangYong Prostitute 1.6L, an 1976 Korean ripoff of the Escort, which was hastily rebadged when they got a better translator.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited August 2017
    Scott_P said:

    isam said:

    I thought there was only a car behind one door!

    He messed it up deliberately...

    Like Brexit.
    Given I didn't get this problem wrong when it was posed and tried to explain to you how / why you were incorrect, but you wouldn't listen...

    So lets try again with the retwatter stuff...you just should like a complete twat when give it the "not a retweet" stuff...everybody knows what people mean and know the difference, but it is just way easier to saying "constantly embeds links to a tweet"...

    but then Dave did say too many (re)tweets make a....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited August 2017
    Kim Jong Fatty Fatty Bum Bum playing with his toys again,

    North Korea has fired "several projectiles" into sea off its eastern coast, the South Korean military says.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41058152
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,745
    AndyJS said:

    Almost bumped into Derek Pringle at Headingley today. One of the first bowlers I remember watching in the early 1990s.

    Please tell me you were single, simple, wearing a wimple, eating Pringles and ready to mingle when you met Derek Pringle.

    And his lovely wife.

    Angelina Doritos.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    It's like fishing with dynamite on here these days.

    Drop a stick of Brexit over the side, and all the dead "retweet"ers float to the surface where you can haul them in.

    Maybe not very sporting, but passes the time...
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