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SMukesh said:

The autumn of 2013 will be remembered for being the time when it got through into thick right wingers` heads that Labour are headed for a win in 2015.Already the first articles acknowledging this have started to emerge!

anothernick said:

tim said:

TGOHF said:

tim said:

RichardNabavi said:

tim said:

A PR man who got his job through Lady Astors palace connections and couldn't even beat Brown while relentlessly using his family to lie about the NHS has the moral high ground over John Smith.

Eh? Who said anything about moral high ground? John Smith was a person of great integrity, like most provincial solicitors are for that matter. But he wasn't exactly the most charismatic of politicians.

Just what the Tories could've done with in 2010 really, a Tory John Smith (ie a John Major type) would've got a majority against Brown, whereas Cameron/Osborne blew it.

Still no one has addressed the Tories deep seated brand problem which is very heartening.

They appear to be a mirror of Labours deep seated brand problem all over the south.

The difference being that Labour can win majorities with its status in the South whereas the Tories cannot with their brand being tainted every but the south.

And the Tory no-go areas are spreading - they started in Scotland, but now much of the North, many cities in the Midlands, most of inner London and Wales have little or no Tory councillors and few MPs. Labour has been weak in the South outside London for ever - it is still weak, but this weaknesses remains confined to the South.

Stark_Dawning said:

SMukesh said:

The autumn of 2013 will be remembered for being the time when it got through into thick right wingers` heads that Labour are headed for a win in 2015.Already the first articles acknowledging this have started to emerge!

I wouldn't read too much into Ed's fuel-tax subsidy bounce. Those fads come and go in politics. I predict it will have melted away by January, and I'm usually right about such things.

Ishmael_X said:

No point whingeing about it, but I am genuinely astonished by the easy ride Labour are getting so far compared to what would have happened had this been a tory Etonian banker.

another_richard said:

Charles said:

another_richard said:

Are there any Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy fans here ?

Because the tv series is being shown on BBC4 tonight while the new film is on Film4.

My favourite character is the drunken womanising fantasist who gets up to various misdeeds in South-East Asia under the name of Thomas.

He reminds me of someone ;-)

What did you think of my criticism of Cameron a few days ago - you asked for it, but headed out & I guess missed it

Pretty accurate IMO and worthy of discussion - I quoted it on a subsequent occasion.

And apologies if I wound you up too far that day.

What is interesting is we're now seeing Conservatives philosophising on what they would like the Conservative party to be - the Skelton and Boules articles for instance. Now whatever people think of those ideas they're at least trying to have some underpinning, whereas Cameron was always about style and image and being all things to all men.

We're entering a post-Cameron era.

TGOHF said:

Carola said:

Charles said:

dr_spyn said:

Ed Miliband ‏@Ed_Miliband 2h
Really enjoyed recording Desert Island Discs today after a weekend rummaging through family record collection. Choices revealed on Sunday.

Back to the 70s with Ed's vinyl collection?

So assume we won't be getting any Arctic Monkeys or that sort of rubbish...

He did an 'imagined' list a while back:

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2010/07/05/1515/

Billy Bragg - what a surprise.

He really s a dull man.

another_richard said:

Gerry_Mander said:

tim said:

"Nick Boles says the Conservatives are still toxic. So much for eight years of David Cameron's leadership."

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100246781/nick-boles-says-the-conservatives-are-still-toxic-so-much-for-eight-years-of-david-camerons-leadership/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Still no PB Tory is prepared to engage with the argument.
Not one.

As a PB Tory, I will ask a question about what I should do. Having been brought up in a working class family of five or six (one died), we were always told to get on with our work, we stayed in at night while everyone round us was playing. The only nights I went out were to choir practice.

Four of us went to University. Derided as 'queer' for working all hours (certainly in my case throughout my 20s), a nice house in Cheshire and another house in Oslo ten years later (I was working in both locations), the folks at home asked why I wasn't sharing the proceeds with them.

I offered one a job (at a contract in the Midlands I was working on, part of the project I was managing in Oslo). £500 a week in 1988, one day in the office, the rest at home.

He didn't turn up at all the second week.

And all we get is, 'these people are toxic', they should be nice to us.

A genuine question here, what are we meant to do?

People like to hate.
People like to blame their own failures and underachievements on others.

The Conservative Party is associated with wealth, tradition, privilege.

Its an easy target.

What the Conservatives need to do is shift this hate onto the Leftwing establishment and its icons.

another_richard said:

anothernick said:

tim said:

TGOHF said:

tim said:

Just what the Tories could've done with in 2010 really, a Tory John Smith (ie a John Major type) would've got a majority against Brown, whereas Cameron/Osborne blew it.

Still no one has addressed the Tories deep seated brand problem which is very heartening.

They appear to be a mirror of Labours deep seated brand problem all over the south.

The difference being that Labour can win majorities with its status in the South whereas the Tories cannot with their brand being tainted every but the south.

And the Tory no-go areas are spreading - they started in Scotland, but now much of the North, many cities in the Midlands, most of inner London and Wales have little or no Tory councillors and few MPs. Labour has been weak in the South outside London for ever - it is still weak, but this weaknesses remains confined to the South.

Spreading in some parts but shrinking in others.

Urban areas are trending away from them but mining/industrial areas are trending towards them hence the Conservatives winning control of local authorities such as Bassetlaw, South Derbyshire and North-West Leicestershire which they had never controlled before and why constituencies such as Morley, Don Valley and Penistone & Stocksbridge are now winnable by the Conservatives.

But as the media focus on the areas they're aware ie big cities and give less attention to places which don't interest them the areas where the Conservatives have improved are less known about - even the Conservative leadership seemed unaware of them.

another_richard said:

another_richard said:

anothernick said:

tim said:

TGOHF said:

tim said:

Just what the Tories could've done with in 2010 really, a Tory John Smith (ie a John Major type) would've got a majority against Brown, whereas Cameron/Osborne blew it.

Still no one has addressed the Tories deep seated brand problem which is very heartening.

They appear to be a mirror of Labours deep seated brand problem all over the south.

The difference being that Labour can win majorities with its status in the South whereas the Tories cannot with their brand being tainted every but the south.

And the Tory no-go areas are spreading - they started in Scotland, but now much of the North, many cities in the Midlands, most of inner London and Wales have little or no Tory councillors and few MPs. Labour has been weak in the South outside London for ever - it is still weak, but this weaknesses remains confined to the South.

Spreading in some parts but shrinking in others.

Urban areas are trending away from them but mining/industrial areas are trending towards them hence the Conservatives winning control of local authorities such as Bassetlaw, South Derbyshire and North-West Leicestershire which they had never controlled before and why constituencies such as Morley, Don Valley and Penistone & Stocksbridge are now winnable by the Conservatives.

But as the media focus on the areas they're aware ie big cities and give less attention to places which don't interest them the areas where the Conservatives have improved are less known about - even the Conservative leadership seemed unaware of them.

And as a little example does anyone know which two parts of the country now have Conservative MPs but which never had one throughout the 20th century ? And which part of the country now has a Labour MP but which had a Conservative MP throughout the 20th century ?