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More men than ever are working less than 20 hours a week. Not out of choiceBenpointer said:
To fill jobs for which we don't have enough people.isam said:
Maybe wages overall, but probably not the for lowest paidBenpointer said:
Real wages continued to grow until 2008 when the global finance crisis recession hit them. The real shocker is that after 7 masterful years of tory economic policy real average earinings have still not recovered to 2008 levels.isam said:
Mass immigration of cheap labour from 2004Benpointer said:
What makes you feel you can ascribe any of that to the EU, rather than 7 years of austerity?isam said:
What seems to me to be ignored by people making the economic argument, is that the lowest paid Brits have already been made substantially poorer by our EU membership, in terms of wages, job security, access to state resources, ability to buy a home etc. That's why they voted to leave itPong said:
I can't see how brexit is supposed to work without the vast majority of Brits getting substantially poorer.TheScreamingEagles said:For the first time since June 2016 I can actually see a small route for the UK to remain.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/881578808100474881
We can't eat sovereignty.
Let's have another referndum now we have some idea what brexit means.
Remain vs. Hard Brexit
Bring it on.
If the mass importation of cheap labour doesn't result in cheaper labour, why do it?
"UK unemployment rate held at a 42-year low of 4.6 percent in the three months to April 2017" (tradingeconomics.com based on ONS figures)
"Farmers deliver stark warning over access to EU seasonal workers. Meurig Raymond, president of the National Farmers’ Union, told the body’s annual conference in Birmingham that farmers and food processors, particularly in horticulture and poultry, were already having difficulty recruiting." (theguardian.com)0 -
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All those gambling debts won't pay themselves....Scott_P said:twitter.com/skysportsnewshq/status/881625986772729856
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We have a Brexit strategy?TheScreamingEagles said:
Phil Hammond is doing the job of Prime Minister, Mrs May really should make way for him.Scott_P said:0 -
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It was to have our cake and eat it, but they've realised that's bollocks.foxinsoxuk said:
We have a Brexit strategy?TheScreamingEagles said:
Phil Hammond is doing the job of Prime Minister, Mrs May really should make way for him.Scott_P said:0 -
Of course not. Hammond is reassuring business leaders that anyone proposing a Brexit "strategy" will be firmly put in his place. There's enough damage already.foxinsoxuk said:
We have a Brexit strategy?TheScreamingEagles said:
Phil Hammond is doing the job of Prime Minister, Mrs May really should make way for him.Scott_P said:0 -
She's still winning. She's got them talking as if her plans to control the way you use the internet are about terrorism.Benpointer said:
The Tory press machine is really on top of its game at the moment no?Scott_P said:0 -
2 for 1 at the local chippy.AndyJS said:O/T
Anyone live in the Shrewsbury area? Large numbers of emergency vehicles speeding along the M54 in that direction. Police, ambulances, fire engines. Lots of them. Could be some sort of exercise I suppose. Can't find any information on Twitter or local newspaper sites.0 -
Who said Leave voters were thick?AndyJS said:"Nearly 60% of Leave voters would now pay to retain EU citizenship
Exclusive: Findings shown to The Independent suggest many who opted for Brexit at last year’s referendum would pay more than £1,000 to keep benefits of EU rights"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/leave-voters-ready-pay-to-keep-eu-citizenship-brexit-poll-lse-opinium-a7819001.html0 -
The people who explained why Remain would win!Roger said:
Who said Leave voters were thick?AndyJS said:"Nearly 60% of Leave voters would now pay to retain EU citizenship
Exclusive: Findings shown to The Independent suggest many who opted for Brexit at last year’s referendum would pay more than £1,000 to keep benefits of EU rights"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/leave-voters-ready-pay-to-keep-eu-citizenship-brexit-poll-lse-opinium-a7819001.html0 -
isam said:
If that's the case, what's driving the EU immigration?Benpointer said:
More men than ever are working less than 20 hours a week. Not out of choiceisam said:
To fill jobs for which we don't have enough people.Benpointer said:
Maybe wages overall, but probably not the for lowest paidisam said:
Real wages continued to grow until 2008 when the global finance crisis recession hit them. The real shocker is that after 7 masterful years of tory economic policy real average earinings have still not recovered to 2008 levels.Benpointer said:
Mass immigration of cheap labour from 2004isam said:
What makes you feel you can ascribe any of that to the EU, rather than 7 years of austerity?Pong said:
What seems to me to be ignored by people making the economic argument, is that the lowest paid Brits have already been made substantially poorer by our EU membership, in terms of wages, job security, access to state resources, ability to buy a home etc. That's why they voted to leave it
If the mass importation of cheap labour doesn't result in cheaper labour, why do it?
"UK unemployment rate held at a 42-year low of 4.6 percent in the three months to April 2017" (tradingeconomics.com based on ONS figures)
"Farmers deliver stark warning over access to EU seasonal workers. Meurig Raymond, president of the National Farmers’ Union, told the body’s annual conference in Birmingham that farmers and food processors, particularly in horticulture and poultry, were already having difficulty recruiting." (theguardian.com)
To be fair, your original point was that the lowest paid Brits have been made substantially poorer by our EU membership through mass immigration of cheap labour from 2004.
That has a superficial plausibility (supply and demand etc.) but the dates just don't stack up. And the EU is a convenient scapegoat for a government that has run the economy very badly for the poorest in society (not so badly for the better off, of which I am fortunate to be one). In particular it's pursuit of austerity and free-market neoliberalism, has (predictably) hurt the poor.
You can blame the EU, but the government runs the economy not the EU.
As an aside, and far too late, the Tories now seem to have woken up to the error of their ways and are now trampling over each other in a stampede to adopt the very policies they were lambasting as socialist/marxist a few weeks ago.
I know we will not agree - but I enjoy the debate!0 -
Optics: every headline is reinforcing the impression that the Tories are in a state of chaos.edmundintokyo said:
She's still winning. She's got them talking as if her plans to control the way you use the internet are about terrorism.Benpointer said:
The Tory press machine is really on top of its game at the moment no?Scott_P said:
It was significant that Jezza's self-inflicted single-market debacle didn't stay in the news for long.0 -
The EU looks set to sign a trade deal with Japan next week. Will be big news if it happens!0
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LEAVE stopped campaigning over a year ago, and its polling is down a max of three points to (assuming Survation are as wrong as they were and in the same direction) 49:51. In the circumstances - no campaign, in 'power' and therefore getting the blame for everything, uncertainties of negotiation and transition - that has held up extremely well.
REMAIN has about six hundred days to legitimise, call, campaign on and win a second referendum, or it becomes REJOIN. And I don't think it can get there.
All 9 circles of hell await for a CON PM, certainly May, calling a second ref, and little better for the PCP during and after one. And if May is forced out, the new PM has no mandate for a 2nd ref. Going to the polls again would harm CON and REMAIN with it.
Would a Corbyn-led LAB govt call one? I don't think Corbyn would. He's a leaver (for the same reason as oh, gosh, nobody else in the country - free movement of capital) and I don't think the PLP can shift him before 2019 now.
So I'm not tempted by the 4/1. We all know those specials are for Shadsy's bonus anyway.0 -
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