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Like what. I she against workers rights as guaranteed by the EU.Scott_P said:
The EU is inimical to the central strand of his politix, and therefore he has always been opposed.foxinsoxuk said:Yes, he has voted against the EU many times, but it has never been a central strand of his politix.
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@GeoffM is stuck at phase (1) of the project cycle, @RCS1000 has reached stage (2):IanB2 said:
Lol. You enjoy denial, as long as you can.GeoffM said:
You two lovebirds seem to be quite happy rattling along at all times assuming and hoping for the worst.IanB2 said:
If our limpalong government maintains its majority and progresses towards Brexit, Labour will be entirely happy watching on and letting the Tories carry the can for the consequences. If, however, Labour votes become critical to the outcome, the party will jump to a Remain position in a heartbeat, whatever Corbyn himself thinks.Roger said:
Its difficult to convince people after the other night that he's any less a Brexiteer than May. A pretty fundamental mistake in my opinion and an unnecessary onesurbiton said:
I can assure you, the Labour Party inside and outside is not a Brexit party. Even Emily is not.Stark_Dawning said:
I suspect no end of plans and discussions are goNow the shock of her humiliation has passed, the Tories will be thinking about how to install a pragmatist. There's no point in going with another Brexit zealot, as Corbyn has now secured that role, probably to far better effect.surbiton said:
I am not too sure. The.Sandpit said:
My thinking is at what point do the Remainers decide to be pragmatic in the HoC and HoL?rcs1000 said:Yes and no.
It does improve our negotiating position, because being able to say "I won't be able to sell this" is a powerful negotiating tactic.
But it also increases the chance of no deal. So many people being able to veto the deal increases the likelihood of no deal being able to secure a majority in the House.
The default, if Parliament passes nothing, is a cliff edge "chaos" to
I'm quite happy to "own" Brexit or "carry the can" as you put it. When it's a success nobody will admit to having been a remoaner. Rather like Headingley in 1981, when everything turns out great more people will claim to have been in the ground cheering on Botham than the place could have physically seated.
The Welke project cycle
(1) wild euphoria when the new system is announced, (2) growing concern, (3) ”near total disillusionment as the systems people realize almost all the goals set down in stage 1 are unattainable (mainly because management has not set down what it wants),” (4) unmitigated disaster, (5) search for the guilty, (6) punishment of the innocent, and (7) promotion of the uninvolved. (The last three stages occur in quick order, according to Mr. Welke.)0 -
I think the bit way you, and a lot of my fellow Leavers, are most optimistic is not regarding the EU, but our trade relations with the rest of the world. My misconceptions about the rest of the world list:GeoffM said:I'm quite happy to "own" Brexit or "carry the can" as you put it. When it's a success nobody will admit to having been a remoaner. Rather like Headingley in 1981, when everything turns out great more people will claim to have been in the ground cheering on Botham than the place could have physically seated.
1. There are very few genuinely free trade countries out there. South Korea, Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore are the obvious ones. But most countries are pretty secretly protectionist. (Countries like India wish to protect their agriculture and financial services, for example.)
2. We will be on significantly worse terms of trade on Brexit day unless Dr Fox gets his socks on. The EU has a lot of treaties with other countries regarding mutual recognition of standards and the like that we potentially drop out of in about 20 months time. And at the very least we need to replace FTAs with Canada, South Korea, Israel, the EFTA countries, Mercosur, and South Africa.
3. The currency can just "adjust", and this will mean tariffs have little or no effect. Were products exported by the UK solely made up of bit sourced in the UK, then it would be true. But exports today have multi-country supply chains, and bits of products often pass borders many times. This means you need to look at the value add in a country.0 -
Yeah, but he doesn't get to raid the hospital medicine cabinet.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
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The vast number of countries, all believe in tariff-free trade, as long as they are exporters !rcs1000 said:
I think the bit way you, and a lot of my fellow Leavers, are most optimistic is not regarding the EU, but our trade relations with the rest of the world. My misconceptions about the rest of the world list:GeoffM said:I'm quite happy to "own" Brexit or "carry the can" as you put it. When it's a success nobody will admit to having been a remoaner. Rather like Headingley in 1981, when everything turns out great more people will claim to have been in the ground cheering on Botham than the place could have physically seated.
1. There are very few genuinely free trade countries out there. South Korea, Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore are the obvious ones. But most countries are pretty secretly protectionist. (Countries like India wish to protect their agriculture and financial services, for example.)
2. We will be on significantly worse terms of trade on Brexit day unless Dr Fox gets his socks on. The EU has a lot of treaties with other countries regarding mutual recognition of standards and the like that we potentially drop out of in about 20 months time. And at the very least we need to replace FTAs with Canada, South Korea, Israel, the EFTA countries, Mercosur, and South Africa.
3. The currency can just "adjust", and this will mean tariffs have little or no effect. Were products exported by the UK solely made up of bit sourced in the UK, then it would be true. But exports today have multi-country supply chains, and bits of products often pass borders many times. This means you need to look at the value add in a country.0 -
Sense of humour misplace. Medicine supply is pretty strictly controlled. Would be pretty difficult to remove more than a paracetamol or two.rcs1000 said:
Yeah, but he doesn't get to raid the hospital medicine cabinet.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
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How long are they on a salary like that ? The two persons working in my warehouse earn more than that. We do not pay overtime. We don't need to.rcs1000 said:
Yeah, but he doesn't get to raid the hospital medicine cabinet.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
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And then Corbyn sacked the Remainers
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The medical example is without banding (typically 30% more for overtime) but this has been markedly reduced on the new contract from August. There are 4 levels below a band 5 Staff Nurse. Both graduates now will be repaying fees as well of course.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/880774788007985153
I think many other fields have seen similar erosion of income by nominal wage freezes. No wonder savings are reaching all time lows and credit card debts new highs. Austerity is very real for many Britons and seemingly without end. This is Corbyns appeal, nothing to do with Brexit.0 -
Is that a euphemism for what doctors do with nurses?rcs1000 said:
Yeah, but he doesn't get to raid the hospital medicine cabinet.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
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I used to date an A&E doctor. Whatever the controls were, they weren't very effective for her and her friends.OldKingCole said:
Sense of humour misplace. Medicine supply is pretty strictly controlled. Would be pretty difficult to remove more than a paracetamol or two.rcs1000 said:
Yeah, but he doesn't get to raid the hospital medicine cabinet.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
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I don't think we are seeing this in the polling.theakes said:Why put ourselves through all this. Simply stand up to the British public and the likes of Bill Cash, tell them as it is, not what we think they would like to hear, and end this whole sordid business. Enough is enough!!. Time to get back to normality and get on with government, not all this exit negotiating nonsense. People I speak to at work who amazed me by voting leave, "its this immigration", openly say they would not do it again and regret their vote. Some live in the Stoke area.
But it will happen.0 -
I was on a scanning dept - not a prescribing area - back in the day before my career change and we certainly had a pretty impressive sweetie cupboardOldKingCole said:
Sense of humour misplace. Medicine supply is pretty strictly controlled. Would be pretty difficult to remove more than a paracetamol or two.rcs1000 said:
Yeah, but he doesn't get to raid the hospital medicine cabinet.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
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History now.rcs1000 said:
I used to date an A&E doctor. Whatever the controls were, they weren't very effective for her and her friends.OldKingCole said:
Sense of humour misplace. Medicine supply is pretty strictly controlled. Would be pretty difficult to remove more than a paracetamol or two.rcs1000 said:
Yeah, but he doesn't get to raid the hospital medicine cabinet.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/880774788007985153
I have known junior doctors referred to the NHS fraud office and GMC for such actions. It simply is not worth it.0 -
I am pretty sure the loss of Theresa May's majority doesn't make our negotiating task easier. It might not make any difference to the likelihood of success. The premise behind the negotiations for us is continuity. We want continued access to markets, WTO schedules that don't change from what we have, common drug certification regimes, open skies agreements, access to nuclear fission technologies, free flow of goods across borders and on and on. The EU wants us out quickly with the minimum damage to them. The objectives are very different.
We can make a case to the EU for continuity, but no-one on our side has ever made it. We would pretty much have to do it on their terms (ECJ oversight etc) , sort out citizens' rights, money payments etc. Unless we make case and accept the constraints, continuity will be lost0 -
The British public just spends extra income on absolute shite anyway tbh
Corbyn knows the score with "old Labour" voters position on the EU anyway
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Opinium/Observer:
CON 39 (-5)
LAB 45 (+4)
LD 5 (-3)
UKIP 5 (+3)
GRN 2 (=)
SNP 3 (=)
Ch vs result
27-29 Jun
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It's funny how in all the discussions of Britain's economic problems (which are the route cause of debates on austerity and pay), nobody ever brings up the chronic deterioration in our trading position and the public finances due to the rundown of North Sea oil.
I suppose it's because it's a problem without an obvious slogan-friendly solution. Thatcher's greatest error was to let the pound become a petro-currency, rather than copy the Norwegians.0 -
Here we go, Mike goes on holiday and leaves boy wonder in charge and straight the way Leadsom goes on manoeuvres....williamglenn said:Leadsom on manoeuvres.
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Tories ahead with Gold Standard Survation
CON 41% (+1) LAB 40% (-4) LD 7% (+1) UKIP 2% (NC) Others 10% (+2)0 -
Pretty much every Chancellor since Clarke has worked to make the North Sea unattractive to oil and gas companies too.RoyalBlue said:It's funny how in all the discussions of Britain's economic problems (which are the route cause of debates on austerity and pay), nobody ever brings up the chronic deterioration in our trading position and the public finances due to the rundown of North Sea oil.
I suppose it's because it's a problem without an obvious slogan-friendly solution. Thatcher's greatest error was to let the pound become a petro-currency, rather than copy the Norwegians.0 -
There is no way to leave the EU that brings the country together because some of us will be saying it is a mistake for the next twenty years (if it happens at all).GIN1138 said:
Here we go, Mike goes on holiday and leaves boy wonder in charge and straight the way Leadsom goes on manoeuvres....williamglenn said:Leadsom on manoeuvres.
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Survation
EU Referendum Voting Intention ex Undecided (with change from last Survation poll 19/6*)
Leave 46% (-3)
Remain 54% (+3)0 -
Post-Glastonbury come down?TheScreamingEagles said:Tories ahead with Gold Standard Survation
CON 41% (+1) LAB 40% (-4) LD 7% (+1) UKIP 2% (NC) Others 10% (+2)0 -
I've had the equivalent of 4 significant promotions in the last ten years since leaving uni. In real terms my income now is only marginally higher than it was in my first job. Started on 30k, now 41k. So im having to get promoted all the time to stand still. I'm now in a position where there are very few more opportunities for promotion because i am at a senior level.foxinsoxuk said:
The medical example is without banding (typically 30% more for overtime) but this has been markedly reduced on the new contract from August. There are 4 levels below a band 5 Staff Nurse. Both graduates now will be repaying fees as well of course.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/880774788007985153
I think many other fields have seen similar erosion of income by nominal wage freezes. No wonder savings are reaching all time lows and credit card debts new highs. Austerity is very real for many Britons and seemingly without end. This is Corbyns appeal, nothing to do with Brexit.
Still dont see how corbyn would solve this problem.0 -
She'd go down well with most Tory voters.Bit of Tory-UKIP drift starting in the polls...GIN1138 said:
Here we go, Mike goes on holiday and leaves boy wonder in charge and straight the way Leadsom goes on manoeuvres....williamglenn said:Leadsom on manoeuvres.
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The country starting to see some sense?TheScreamingEagles said:Tories ahead with Gold Standard Survation
CON 41% (+1) LAB 40% (-4) LD 7% (+1) UKIP 2% (NC) Others 10% (+2)0 -
I believe William Keagan wrote a whole book on just that subject.RoyalBlue said:It's funny how in all the discussions of Britain's economic problems (which are the route cause of debates on austerity and pay), nobody ever brings up the chronic deterioration in our trading position and the public finances due to the rundown of North Sea oil.
I suppose it's because it's a problem without an obvious slogan-friendly solution. Thatcher's greatest error was to let the pound become a petro-currency, rather than copy the Norwegians.0 -
Less of a lead than on June 8th though.TheScreamingEagles said:Tories ahead with Gold Standard Survation
CON 41% (+1) LAB 40% (-4) LD 7% (+1) UKIP 2% (NC) Others 10% (+2)
Corbynism sweeping the nation.0 -
That supplementary question on Brexit would seem to confirm a return to sense.FrancisUrquhart said:
The country starting to see some sense?TheScreamingEagles said:Tories ahead with Gold Standard Survation
CON 41% (+1) LAB 40% (-4) LD 7% (+1) UKIP 2% (NC) Others 10% (+2)0 -
I sort of agree with you. Given we probably don't want either a car crash or to cancel Brexit entirely, it implies a middle ground although no-one is articulating a sensible policy position. The EU wants us out, ideally with the least pain to them, but would probably accept a cancellation of Brexit. I don't think they are particularly interested in punishment. In fact they are not interested in Brexit, period.kyf_100 said:Yes, this is a very well written post by Alastair Meeks.
But I suppose the question is the outcome the EU is hoping for.
If they wish to 'punish' us, surely us dropping out to WTO in 2019 would be their optimal solution.
If they wish to keep us in the fold, their optimal outcome is probably to convince us to reverse Brexit entirely and remain.
Both of those options are now within easy grasp - simply present a deal up to the deadline on 2019 that is unacceptable and won't make it through Parliament and force us to choose between remaining in - they could leave the door open if they so choose - or inflicting maximum punishment.
A great article from Mr Meeks - but it assumes a middle-ground deal is in the EU's interest. If it's not, the EU's task of either keeping us in, or pushing us off the cliff, just got x100 easier.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Survation
EU Referendum Voting Intention ex Undecided (with change from last Survation poll 19/6*)
Leave 46% (-3)
Remain 54% (+3)
Too late. They voted to leave when it mattered...0 -
I don't think Corbyn can, but that is the source of the discontent that fuels Corbynism.nielh said:
I've had the equivalent of 4 significant promotions in the last ten years since leaving uni. In real terms my income now is only marginally higher than it was in my first job. Started on 30k, now 41k. So im having to get promoted all the time to stand still. I'm now in a position where there are very few more opportunities for promotion because i am at a senior level.foxinsoxuk said:
The medical example is without banding (typically 30% more for overtime) but this has been markedly reduced on the new contract from August. There are 4 levels below a band 5 Staff Nurse. Both graduates now will be repaying fees as well of course.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/880774788007985153
I think many other fields have seen similar erosion of income by nominal wage freezes. No wonder savings are reaching all time lows and credit card debts new highs. Austerity is very real for many Britons and seemingly without end. This is Corbyns appeal, nothing to do with Brexit.
Still dont see how corbyn would solve this problem.0 -
Boy George was front and centre of the remain campaign. No wonder Sunderland voted like it had never voted before to leave xDGIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Survation
EU Referendum Voting Intention ex Undecided (with change from last Survation poll 19/6*)
Leave 46% (-3)
Remain 54% (+3)
Too late. They voted to leave when it mattered...0 -
The secret to happiness is wanting what you have. You are more than capable of making the rational case for what we have, but you deceive yourself with the emotional case for what we do not have.rcs1000 said:
I think the bit way you, and a lot of my fellow Leavers, are most optimistic is not regarding the EU, but our trade relations with the rest of the world. My misconceptions about the rest of the world list:GeoffM said:I'm quite happy to "own" Brexit or "carry the can" as you put it. When it's a success nobody will admit to having been a remoaner. Rather like Headingley in 1981, when everything turns out great more people will claim to have been in the ground cheering on Botham than the place could have physically seated.
1. There are very few genuinely free trade countries out there. South Korea, Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore are the obvious ones. But most countries are pretty secretly protectionist. (Countries like India wish to protect their agriculture and financial services, for example.)
2. We will be on significantly worse terms of trade on Brexit day unless Dr Fox gets his socks on. The EU has a lot of treaties with other countries regarding mutual recognition of standards and the like that we potentially drop out of in about 20 months time. And at the very least we need to replace FTAs with Canada, South Korea, Israel, the EFTA countries, Mercosur, and South Africa.
3. The currency can just "adjust", and this will mean tariffs have little or no effect. Were products exported by the UK solely made up of bit sourced in the UK, then it would be true. But exports today have multi-country supply chains, and bits of products often pass borders many times. This means you need to look at the value add in a country.0 -
It's never too late. As David Davis said, a democracy that cannot change its mind has ceased to be a democracy.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Survation
EU Referendum Voting Intention ex Undecided (with change from last Survation poll 19/6*)
Leave 46% (-3)
Remain 54% (+3)
Too late. They voted to leave when it mattered...0 -
Why are pollsters even asking the Remain/Leave question?
Shouldn't they start from the proviso that leave won the referendum and ask whether people agree that we should now leave the EU?0 -
Sounds like you picked the wrong industry.nielh said:
I've had the equivalent of 4 significant promotions in the last ten years since leaving uni. In real terms my income now is only marginally higher than it was in my first job. Started on 30k, now 41k. So im having to get promoted all the time to stand still. I'm now in a position where there are very few more opportunities for promotion because i am at a senior level.foxinsoxuk said:
The medical example is without banding (typically 30% more for overtime) but this has been markedly reduced on the new contract from August. There are 4 levels below a band 5 Staff Nurse. Both graduates now will be repaying fees as well of course.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/880774788007985153
I think many other fields have seen similar erosion of income by nominal wage freezes. No wonder savings are reaching all time lows and credit card debts new highs. Austerity is very real for many Britons and seemingly without end. This is Corbyns appeal, nothing to do with Brexit.
Still dont see how corbyn would solve this problem.0 -
Imagine there was a referendum tomorrow with the question ‘Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?’ How would you vote?
Leave / Remain - 2017 Vote:
Con: 65 / 34
Lab: 20 / 76
LD: 21 / 80
UKIP: 94 / 6
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Final-Survation-UK-Attitudes-Tracker-280617MMDLLMTDC-1c0d1h7-chd.pdf
Which party is out of step with its voters?0 -
Mr. Glenn, you can get either 4 or 5 on us not leaving the EU on Ladbrokes, I think [was idly perusing earlier today].0
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#Neverendumwilliamglenn said:
It's never too late. As David Davis said, a democracy that cannot change its mind has ceased to be a democracy.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Survation
EU Referendum Voting Intention ex Undecided (with change from last Survation poll 19/6*)
Leave 46% (-3)
Remain 54% (+3)
Too late. They voted to leave when it mattered...
Cause that's worked out well for Nicola hasn't it... 0 -
Ah. I see you've met my wife and also our babysitter.williamglenn said:
The secret to happiness is wanting what you have. You are more than capable of making the rational case for what we have, but you deceive yourself with the emotional case for what we do not have.rcs1000 said:
I think the bit way you, and a lot of my fellow Leavers, are most optimistic is not regarding the EU, but our trade relations with the rest of the world. My misconceptions about the rest of the world list:GeoffM said:I'm quite happy to "own" Brexit or "carry the can" as you put it. When it's a success nobody will admit to having been a remoaner. Rather like Headingley in 1981, when everything turns out great more people will claim to have been in the ground cheering on Botham than the place could have physically seated.
1. There are very few genuinely free trade countries out there. South Korea, Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore are the obvious ones. But most countries are pretty secretly protectionist. (Countries like India wish to protect their agriculture and financial services, for example.)
2. We will be on significantly worse terms of trade on Brexit day unless Dr Fox gets his socks on. The EU has a lot of treaties with other countries regarding mutual recognition of standards and the like that we potentially drop out of in about 20 months time. And at the very least we need to replace FTAs with Canada, South Korea, Israel, the EFTA countries, Mercosur, and South Africa.
3. The currency can just "adjust", and this will mean tariffs have little or no effect. Were products exported by the UK solely made up of bit sourced in the UK, then it would be true. But exports today have multi-country supply chains, and bits of products often pass borders many times. This means you need to look at the value add in a country.0 -
800k gets you 8 acres up here or 80 square metres in certain London postcodes so the utility of your 40k depends very much where you earn itnielh said:
I've had the equivalent of 4 significant promotions in the last ten years since leaving uni. In real terms my income now is only marginally higher than it was in my first job. Started on 30k, now 41k. So im having to get promoted all the time to stand still. I'm now in a position where there are very few more opportunities for promotion because i am at a senior level.foxinsoxuk said:
The medical example is without banding (typically 30% more for overtime) but this has been markedly reduced on the new contract from August. There are 4 levels below a band 5 Staff Nurse. Both graduates now will be repaying fees as well of course.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/880774788007985153
I think many other fields have seen similar erosion of income by nominal wage freezes. No wonder savings are reaching all time lows and credit card debts new highs. Austerity is very real for many Britons and seemingly without end. This is Corbyns appeal, nothing to do with Brexit.
Still dont see how corbyn would solve this problem.0 -
They only tell you that to get rid of you because they are sick and tired of your whining.theakes said:Why put ourselves through all this. Simply stand up to the British public and the likes of Bill Cash, tell them as it is, not what we think they would like to hear, and end this whole sordid business. Enough is enough!!. Time to get back to normality and get on with government, not all this exit negotiating nonsense. People I speak to at work who amazed me by voting leave, "its this immigration", openly say they would not do it again and regret their vote. Some live in the Stoke area.
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Richard_Tyndall said:
They only tell you that to get rid of you because they are sick and tired of your whining.theakes said:Why put ourselves through all this. Simply stand up to the British public and the likes of Bill Cash, tell them as it is, not what we think they would like to hear, and end this whole sordid business. Enough is enough!!. Time to get back to normality and get on with government, not all this exit negotiating nonsense. People I speak to at work who amazed me by voting leave, "its this immigration", openly say they would not do it again and regret their vote. Some live in the Stoke area.
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Not a cult....
His adoring supporters chanted 'oh Jeremy Corbyn' and held up signs emblazoned with his name and red hearts. A number of middle aged women were seen taking selfies with the Opposition leader in the background.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4657086/Jeremy-Corbyn-says-Labour-government-waiting.html0 -
Another question pollsters could ask is:
We're going to leave the EU. Once we have left the EU would you vote in a referendum to rejoin?0 -
Two thoughts, Where does one find the 6% of UKIP voters who have changed their minds.CarlottaVance said:Imagine there was a referendum tomorrow with the question ‘Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?’ How would you vote?
Leave / Remain - 2017 Vote:
Con: 65 / 34
Lab: 20 / 76
LD: 21 / 80
UKIP: 94 / 6
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Final-Survation-UK-Attitudes-Tracker-280617MMDLLMTDC-1c0d1h7-chd.pdf
Which party is out of step with its voters?
Secondly does 76% of Labour voters and 80% of LD voters, plus 34% of Tory voters mean a majority overall?0 -
Forget gold standard, Survation is the double-diamond standard. 0
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It depends how many Labour voters are bothered. A lot will be, in Inner London, and some other big cities, but Labour can afford to lose votes in those places.CarlottaVance said:Imagine there was a referendum tomorrow with the question ‘Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?’ How would you vote?
Leave / Remain - 2017 Vote:
Con: 65 / 34
Lab: 20 / 76
LD: 21 / 80
UKIP: 94 / 6
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Final-Survation-UK-Attitudes-Tracker-280617MMDLLMTDC-1c0d1h7-chd.pdf
Which party is out of step with its voters?
Elsewhere, Labour voters have other concerns.0 -
That 6% are out Elvis hunting...OldKingCole said:
Two thoughts, Where does one find the 6% of UKIP voters who have changed their minds.CarlottaVance said:Imagine there was a referendum tomorrow with the question ‘Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?’ How would you vote?
Leave / Remain - 2017 Vote:
Con: 65 / 34
Lab: 20 / 76
LD: 21 / 80
UKIP: 94 / 6
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Final-Survation-UK-Attitudes-Tracker-280617MMDLLMTDC-1c0d1h7-chd.pdf
Which party is out of step with its voters?
Secondly does 76% of Labour voters and 80% of LD voters, plus 34% of Tory voters mean a majority overall?0 -
Regarding a ‘deal’ on the terms of the UK’s EU exit, Theresa May has said 'I am equally clear that no deal for Britain is better than a bad deal for Britain'. If Theresa May decides after negotiations end that ‘no deal’ is better than the deal EU has offered the UK, which of the following is closest to your view?
Would accept her judgment: 51
Would not accept her judgment: 440 -
I think that is reflected in the 54:46 number reported as the headline.OldKingCole said:
Two thoughts, Where does one find the 6% of UKIP voters who have changed their minds.CarlottaVance said:Imagine there was a referendum tomorrow with the question ‘Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?’ How would you vote?
Leave / Remain - 2017 Vote:
Con: 65 / 34
Lab: 20 / 76
LD: 21 / 80
UKIP: 94 / 6
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Final-Survation-UK-Attitudes-Tracker-280617MMDLLMTDC-1c0d1h7-chd.pdf
Which party is out of step with its voters?
Secondly does 76% of Labour voters and 80% of LD voters, plus 34% of Tory voters mean a majority overall?0 -
If people think Corbyn's support will melt away with when they find out he is a LEAVER and a hard leaver at that, they are kidding themselves,foxinsoxuk said:
I don't think Corbyn can, but that is the source of the discontent that fuels Corbynism.nielh said:
I've had the equivalent of 4 significant promotions in the last ten years since leaving uni. In real terms my income now is only marginally higher than it was in my first job. Started on 30k, now 41k. So im having to get promoted all the time to stand still. I'm now in a position where there are very few more opportunities for promotion because i am at a senior level.foxinsoxuk said:
The medical example is without banding (typically 30% more for overtime) but this has been markedly reduced on the new contract from August. There are 4 levels below a band 5 Staff Nurse. Both graduates now will be repaying fees as well of course.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/880774788007985153
I think many other fields have seen similar erosion of income by nominal wage freezes. No wonder savings are reaching all time lows and credit card debts new highs. Austerity is very real for many Britons and seemingly without end. This is Corbyns appeal, nothing to do with Brexit.
Still dont see how corbyn would solve this problem.
Corbynism is the third biggest religion in Britain after Christainity and Islam.0 -
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........CarlottaVance said:Regarding a ‘deal’ on the terms of the UK’s EU exit, Theresa May has said 'I am equally clear that no deal for Britain is better than a bad deal for Britain'. If Theresa May decides after negotiations end that ‘no deal’ is better than the deal EU has offered the UK, which of the following is closest to your view?
Would accept her judgment: 51
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And far more dangerous...nunu said:
If people think Corbyn's support will melt away with when they find out he is a LEAVER and a hard leaver at that, they are kidding themselves,foxinsoxuk said:
I don't think Corbyn can, but that is the source of the discontent that fuels Corbynism.nielh said:
I've had the equivalent of 4 significant promotions in the last ten years since leaving uni. In real terms my income now is only marginally higher than it was in my first job. Started on 30k, now 41k. So im having to get promoted all the time to stand still. I'm now in a position where there are very few more opportunities for promotion because i am at a senior level.foxinsoxuk said:
The medical example is without banding (typically 30% more for overtime) but this has been markedly reduced on the new contract from August. There are 4 levels below a band 5 Staff Nurse. Both graduates now will be repaying fees as well of course.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/880774788007985153
I think many other fields have seen similar erosion of income by nominal wage freezes. No wonder savings are reaching all time lows and credit card debts new highs. Austerity is very real for many Britons and seemingly without end. This is Corbyns appeal, nothing to do with Brexit.
Still dont see how corbyn would solve this problem.
Corbyism is the third biggest religion in Britain after Christainity and Islam.0 -
Ha, just a few weeks ago I would've been dancing the streets with 'just' a 1% Tory lead. Now it feels quite deflating
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Who says that they have changed their minds?OldKingCole said:
Two thoughts, Where does one find the 6% of UKIP voters who have changed their minds.CarlottaVance said:Imagine there was a referendum tomorrow with the question ‘Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?’ How would you vote?
Leave / Remain - 2017 Vote:
Con: 65 / 34
Lab: 20 / 76
LD: 21 / 80
UKIP: 94 / 6
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Final-Survation-UK-Attitudes-Tracker-280617MMDLLMTDC-1c0d1h7-chd.pdf
Which party is out of step with its voters?
Secondly does 76% of Labour voters and 80% of LD voters, plus 34% of Tory voters mean a majority overall?
I'm sure we've chuckled on here in that past about 3% and 5% and 7% etc of UKIP voters occasionally saying Remain even before the referendum.
Also, I think it was RCS who observed that you can ask Have You Been Decapitated and you'll get a few Yes answers in every survey (apologies if the phrase was from someone else).0 -
For the time being, but enthusiasms can fade.nunu said:
If people think Corbyn's support will melt away with when they find out he is a LEAVER and a hard leaver at that, they are kidding themselves,foxinsoxuk said:
I don't think Corbyn can, but that is the source of the discontent that fuels Corbynism.nielh said:
I've had the equivalent of 4 significant promotions in the last ten years since leaving uni. In real terms my income now is only marginally higher than it was in my first job. Started on 30k, now 41k. So im having to get promoted all the time to stand still. I'm now in a position where there are very few more opportunities for promotion because i am at a senior level.foxinsoxuk said:
The medical example is without banding (typically 30% more for overtime) but this has been markedly reduced on the new contract from August. There are 4 levels below a band 5 Staff Nurse. Both graduates now will be repaying fees as well of course.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/880774788007985153
I think many other fields have seen similar erosion of income by nominal wage freezes. No wonder savings are reaching all time lows and credit card debts new highs. Austerity is very real for many Britons and seemingly without end. This is Corbyns appeal, nothing to do with Brexit.
Still dont see how corbyn would solve this problem.
Corbynism is the third biggest religion in Britain after Christainity and Islam.
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I hope there's a date involved with that one! Otherwise Ladbrokes will never pay outMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, you can get either 4 or 5 on us not leaving the EU on Ladbrokes, I think [was idly perusing earlier today].
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Forget VI, this is bigger than the leads Dave had over Ed Miliband.Danny565 said:Ha, just a few weeks ago I would've been dancing the streets with 'just' a 1% Tory lead. Now it feels quite deflating
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/8812095923064340520 -
If we get regular polls show 60% Remain 40% Leave, Brexit is over.
That's what the next 12 months of negativity is for.0 -
Weren't there once polls saying that, if Cameron returned from Brussels with a renegotiation that he proclaimed a "good deal", then the overwhelming majority of the country would vote Remain?CarlottaVance said:Regarding a ‘deal’ on the terms of the UK’s EU exit, Theresa May has said 'I am equally clear that no deal for Britain is better than a bad deal for Britain'. If Theresa May decides after negotiations end that ‘no deal’ is better than the deal EU has offered the UK, which of the following is closest to your view?
Would accept her judgment: 51
Would not accept her judgment: 44
I don't see that the poll you're quoting is much different to that.0 -
Labour has made the strategic decision that all the votes it received were a positive endorsement of pro-Brexit socialism. I am not sure it's the right call.Danny565 said:Ha, just a few weeks ago I would've been dancing the streets with 'just' a 1% Tory lead. Now it feels quite deflating
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I really want a quiet weekend, so far it is going to plan.GIN1138 said:
Here we go, Mike goes on holiday and leaves boy wonder in charge and straight the way Leadsom goes on manoeuvres....williamglenn said:Leadsom on manoeuvres.
https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/8811833170890178560 -
Yep. Can't disagree with that. In the end young people are probably more concerned about jobs and housing than they are about Brexit, most people probably just associate Brexit with restrictions on being free to live, work travel around Europe.foxinsoxuk said:
I don't think Corbyn can, but that is the source of the discontent that fuels Corbynism.nielh said:
I've had the equivalent of 4 significant promotions in the last ten years since leaving uni. In real terms my income now is only marginally higher than it was in my first job. Started on 30k, now 41k. So im having to get promoted all the time to stand still. I'm now in a position where there are very few more opportunities for promotion because i am at a senior level.foxinsoxuk said:
The medical example is without banding (typically 30% more for overtime) but this has been markedly reduced on the new contract from August. There are 4 levels below a band 5 Staff Nurse. Both graduates now will be repaying fees as well of course.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/880774788007985153
I think many other fields have seen similar erosion of income by nominal wage freezes. No wonder savings are reaching all time lows and credit card debts new highs. Austerity is very real for many Britons and seemingly without end. This is Corbyns appeal, nothing to do with Brexit.
Still dont see how corbyn would solve this problem.
The situation with jobs and housing for young people is really bad. Not just young people, people in their 30's, and even 40's. The conservative government 2010+ seem to have abandoned the idea that the state has any role in providing housing and stable jobs, which from a historical point of view is insane.0 -
So it's anti democratic to change your mind?GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Survation
EU Referendum Voting Intention ex Undecided (with change from last Survation poll 19/6*)
Leave 46% (-3)
Remain 54% (+3)
Too late. They voted to leave when it mattered...0 -
Although tories shouldn't be complacent, that is actually really bad news for labour; with May's ratings in the gutter and JC actually showing a net positive you would expect a double digit labour lead.CarlottaVance said:
I wonder if the hung pariliament was accidental, with many remain tories deciding it was safe to not vote for May.0 -
It will never be big enough to win Labour a majority. That is only possible when the leadership accepts Labour is a left of centre coalition. The current leadership has very deliberately rejected that idea.nunu said:
If people think Corbyn's support will melt away with when they find out he is a LEAVER and a hard leaver at that, they are kidding themselves,foxinsoxuk said:
I don't think Corbyn can, but that is the source of the discontent that fuels Corbynism.nielh said:
I've had the equivalent of 4 significant promotions in the last ten years since leaving uni. In real terms my income now is only marginally higher than it was in my first job. Started on 30k, now 41k. So im having to get promoted all the time to stand still. I'm now in a position where there are very few more opportunities for promotion because i am at a senior level.foxinsoxuk said:
The medical example is without banding (typically 30% more for overtime) but this has been markedly reduced on the new contract from August. There are 4 levels below a band 5 Staff Nurse. Both graduates now will be repaying fees as well of course.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/880774788007985153
I think many other fields have seen similar erosion of income by nominal wage freezes. No wonder savings are reaching all time lows and credit card debts new highs. Austerity is very real for many Britons and seemingly without end. This is Corbyns appeal, nothing to do with Brexit.
Still dont see how corbyn would solve this problem.
Corbynism is the third biggest religion in Britain after Christainity and Islam.
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Yes, just like Clinton's election machine. People paid to sit on blogs and Facebook endlessly astroturfing for Remain in an effort to swing opinion.RoyalBlue said:If we get regular polls show 60% Remain 40% Leave, Brexit is over.
That's what the next 12 months of negativity is for.
It's already tedious. It'll just make people turn off.0 -
I would never claim it was a whole-hearted endorsement of socialism, nor would I claim that all of Labour's gained voters are "in the bag" for Labour at future elections -- lots of people on the doorsteps who were switching or considering switching to Labour still had caveats and doubts about them.SouthamObserver said:
Labour has made the strategic decision that all the votes it received were a positive endorsement of pro-Brexit socialism. I am not sure it's the right call.Danny565 said:Ha, just a few weeks ago I would've been dancing the streets with 'just' a 1% Tory lead. Now it feels quite deflating
However, I still maintain Brexit is neither here nor there in terms of holding onto those voters.0 -
A fifth (20%) of 2017 CON voters tell Opinium that they currently disapprove of the way TMay is handling her job.0
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What is interesting about the Survation poll on Brexit is that there appears to be a huge divergence of opinion between men and women - a significant leave lead with men and a very large remain lead with women.
Is is that a new trend or just a statistical quirk?0 -
I am sure the message the Tories were on for a landslide didn't help, but then the stuff like dementia tax just doubled down on "ok love should we go to the polls today and vote for May"..."no need, they are going to win anyway, and I am not going to support her. Hopefully they only get a small majority and they won't be doing any of that bat shit crazy stuff".nunu said:
Although tories shouldn't be complacent, that is actually really bad news for labour; with May's ratings in the gutter and JC actually showing a net positive you would expect a double digit labour lead.CarlottaVance said:
I wonder if the hung pariliament was accidental, with many remain tories deciding it was safe to not vote for May.0 -
Is that all?TheScreamingEagles said:A fifth (20%) of 2017 CON voters tell Opinium that they currently disapprove of the way TMay is handling her job.
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I would have thought it would be a lot higher than that.TheScreamingEagles said:A fifth (20%) of 2017 CON voters tell Opinium that they currently disapprove of the way TMay is handling her job.
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Mr. 16, sounds like an increase in an already existing divide. Men are, by nature, more comfortable with risk, whereas women are more risk averse.
Mr. 1000, think it was 5 for 2022. Could be wrong.0 -
You mean I can get paid for this?!GeoffM said:
Yes, just like Clinton's election machine. People paid to sit on blogs and Facebook endlessly astroturfing for Remain in an effort to swing opinion.RoyalBlue said:If we get regular polls show 60% Remain 40% Leave, Brexit is over.
That's what the next 12 months of negativity is for.
It's already tedious. It'll just make people turn off.0 -
Alex Hales 187 not out off 167 balls....Sir Geoff will be muttering.0
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Possibly. But overall I am quite happy with what I earn, its significantly in excess of the national average wage, and I enjoy my job and sleep well at night.maaarsh said:
Sounds like you picked the wrong industry.nielh said:
I've had the equivalent of 4 significant promotions in the last ten years since leaving uni. In real terms my income now is only marginally higher than it was in my first job. Started on 30k, now 41k. So im having to get promoted all the time to stand still. I'm now in a position where there are very few more opportunities for promotion because i am at a senior level.foxinsoxuk said:
The medical example is without banding (typically 30% more for overtime) but this has been markedly reduced on the new contract from August. There are 4 levels below a band 5 Staff Nurse. Both graduates now will be repaying fees as well of course.surbiton said:
Really sad. A young solicitor or chartered accountant will probably start at £35k.foxinsoxuk said:
We see why in this tweet. The examples are public sector, but I think many private sector voters experience is the same. Except those pensioners of course.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/880774788007985153
I think many other fields have seen similar erosion of income by nominal wage freezes. No wonder savings are reaching all time lows and credit card debts new highs. Austerity is very real for many Britons and seemingly without end. This is Corbyns appeal, nothing to do with Brexit.
Still dont see how corbyn would solve this problem.0 -
I believe there are plenty of studies out that showing that women are on average more risk-averse than men.brendan16 said:What is interesting about the Survation poll on Brexit is that there appears to be a huge divergence of opinion between men and women - a significant leave lead with men and a very large remain lead with women.
Is is that a new trend or just a statistical quirk?0 -
Labour has lost its Survation lead at the same time as Survatuon has a clear Remain lead. It might be a coincidence, I guess.Danny565 said:
I would never claim it was a whole-hearted endorsement of socialism, nor would I claim that all of Labour's gained voters are "in the bag" for Labour at future elections -- lots of people on the doorsteps who were switching or considering switching to Labour still had caveats and doubts about them.SouthamObserver said:
Labour has made the strategic decision that all the votes it received were a positive endorsement of pro-Brexit socialism. I am not sure it's the right call.Danny565 said:Ha, just a few weeks ago I would've been dancing the streets with 'just' a 1% Tory lead. Now it feels quite deflating
However, I still maintain Brexit is neither here nor there in terms of holding onto those voters.
The Labour left's hubris will not end well.
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No. You have to be convincing.Benpointer said:
You mean I can get paid for this?!GeoffM said:
Yes, just like Clinton's election machine. People paid to sit on blogs and Facebook endlessly astroturfing for Remain in an effort to swing opinion.RoyalBlue said:If we get regular polls show 60% Remain 40% Leave, Brexit is over.
That's what the next 12 months of negativity is for.
It's already tedious. It'll just make people turn off.0 -
I think it would probably have to be 65% to 35% to get a government rethink. That is unlikely, but also would have to be in circumstances where major carnage had already been wrought on the economy.RoyalBlue said:If we get regular polls show 60% Remain 40% Leave, Brexit is over.
That's what the next 12 months of negativity is for.
Much more likely post Brexit than before, but voters are rather fickle like that.0 -
Historically that is quite poor for a Tory leader, Dave and Theresa used to have North Korean levels of approval from Tory voters, approval ratings used to be in the high 90s.tlg86 said:
Is that all?TheScreamingEagles said:A fifth (20%) of 2017 CON voters tell Opinium that they currently disapprove of the way TMay is handling her job.
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I don't think there was any substantial gender gap in the Referendum.RoyalBlue said:
I believe there are plenty of studies out that showing that women are on average more risk-averse than men.brendan16 said:What is interesting about the Survation poll on Brexit is that there appears to be a huge divergence of opinion between men and women - a significant leave lead with men and a very large remain lead with women.
Is is that a new trend or just a statistical quirk?0 -
What about before Dave though?TheScreamingEagles said:
Historically that is quite poor for a Tory leader, Dave and Theresa used to have North Korean levels of approval from Tory voters, approval ratings used to be in the high 90s.tlg86 said:
Is that all?TheScreamingEagles said:A fifth (20%) of 2017 CON voters tell Opinium that they currently disapprove of the way TMay is handling her job.
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How downmarket. Whatever was wrong with pigheads?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Mr. Eagles, disregarding the highly improbable (Osborne/Cameron returning) what's your preferred course of events as far as the Conservative leadership goes?0
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Mrs May is now polling on a par/worse than IDS with some pollsters.FrancisUrquhart said:
What about before Dave though?TheScreamingEagles said:
Historically that is quite poor for a Tory leader, Dave and Theresa used to have North Korean levels of approval from Tory voters, approval ratings used to be in the high 90s.tlg86 said:
Is that all?TheScreamingEagles said:A fifth (20%) of 2017 CON voters tell Opinium that they currently disapprove of the way TMay is handling her job.
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Below is a list of ten things the government could potentially have as a priority during the Brexit talks. Which of the following do you think should be the government’s priority to include in the UK’s deal when negotiating with the European Union (EU)?
1. The UK should continue to cooperate with EU law enforcement bodies and share terrorist intelligence material with the EU (38%)
2. The UK should guarantee the rights of EU citizens who already live and work in Britain to continue to do so (37%)
3. The European Court of Justice should no longer have any jurisdiction in Britain (33%)
Conservative voters put 3 top on 55%
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Statistically, there's not much difference between a 3% lead and a 1% deficit in a poll.SouthamObserver said:
Labour has lost its Survation lead at the same time as Survatuon has a clear Remain lead. It might be a coincidence, I guess.Danny565 said:
I would never claim it was a whole-hearted endorsement of socialism, nor would I claim that all of Labour's gained voters are "in the bag" for Labour at future elections -- lots of people on the doorsteps who were switching or considering switching to Labour still had caveats and doubts about them.SouthamObserver said:
Labour has made the strategic decision that all the votes it received were a positive endorsement of pro-Brexit socialism. I am not sure it's the right call.Danny565 said:Ha, just a few weeks ago I would've been dancing the streets with 'just' a 1% Tory lead. Now it feels quite deflating
However, I still maintain Brexit is neither here nor there in terms of holding onto those voters.
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I meant within the Tory Party support. 20% still seems very low. On here it has to be 98%?TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May is now polling on a par/worse than IDS with some pollsters.FrancisUrquhart said:
What about before Dave though?TheScreamingEagles said:
Historically that is quite poor for a Tory leader, Dave and Theresa used to have North Korean levels of approval from Tory voters, approval ratings used to be in the high 90s.tlg86 said:
Is that all?TheScreamingEagles said:A fifth (20%) of 2017 CON voters tell Opinium that they currently disapprove of the way TMay is handling her job.
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Theresa May is ousted at conference and replaced by Johnny Mercer.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, disregarding the highly improbable (Osborne/Cameron returning) what's your preferred course of events as far as the Conservative leadership goes?
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