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Just two weeks to the minute after we saw the exit poll there’s some sensational new polling from YouGov for the Times. The figures are above. TMay is now trailing Corbyn as best PM.
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Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.0 -
Mike, you should add this to the thread header
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/8779949593658245120 -
I believe a certain PBer was off to the nags...just saying like...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4628592/Ascot-racegoers-abandon-demure-style-Ladies-Day.html0 -
You say it like it is a bad thing....TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.0 -
Not NOW, rather in good time.TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.0 -
The more you call for her to go the longer she will stayTheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.0 -
She might as well stay in place until Corbyn's popularity starts to drop.TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.0 -
Stay Lady May. Stay while the right is still ahead.0
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Agreed.NorthofStoke said:
Not NOW, rather in good time.TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.
Tories adore their leadership contests, and settling scores with each other going back to the time of Brian Boru, but there's no sensible option but to keep calm and carry on right now.0 -
And if it doesn't?AndyJS said:
She might as well stay in place until Corbyn's popularity starts to drop.TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.0 -
The Conservatives should have a Paper Scissors Stone tournament to choose a new leader. The current one is done.0
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The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.0
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Once May is behind in a hypothetical match - up with Abbott then it'll definitely be time for her to quit.0
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In any event, like Royals and the Throne, do any tory contenders actually want the job right now?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The more you call for her to go the longer she will stayTheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.0 -
Looks like the public don't want either of them. A pox on both of your houses is the only discernable message from that poll.
They're both crap.0 -
Only time will tell - remember a week is a long time in politicsPong said:
And if it doesn't?AndyJS said:
She might as well stay in place until Corbyn's popularity starts to drop.TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.0 -
Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.GideonWise said:The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
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@foxinsoxuk posted -
Partly, but also without a University and the broader intellectual life that I had become used to.
Hospitals are some of the most multicultural places to work, even in places like Cornwall or Cumbria.
Partly - just imagined that I replaced white with black or Asian then as a doc I would be in deep shit.0 -
Still, one of them IS the PM. The other isn't....MikeSmithson said:
Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.GideonWise said:The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
Gotta love the FTPA.0 -
Not sure why it should add any extra pressure on May considering she won't be fighting the next election (and probably won't stick around until much beyond Spring/Summer 2019)0
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Why would they as long as TM is willing to continue in OfficeBenpointer said:
In any event, like Royals and the Throne, do any tory contenders actually want the job right now?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The more you call for her to go the longer she will stayTheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.0 -
If she goes now, there'll be another election, and Corbyn gets in.TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.0 -
The Not Sures are coming up fast on the rail?0
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#SaveMayTheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.0 -
It's that Aliens vs Predator thing. Whoever wins, we lose.Jason said:Looks like the public don't want either of them. A pox on both of your houses is the only discernable message from that poll.
They're both crap.0 -
Corbyn and co haven't changed. TSE and others need to hold their nerve. I am beginning top wonder how big TSE's book is on May going actually is
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QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.0
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ditto Mr Smithson.MikeSmithson said:
Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.GideonWise said:The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
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It IS sensational and it shows that we live in extraordinarily volatile times...MikeSmithson said:
Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.GideonWise said:The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
Maybe the next "sensational development" will be Jezza blowing his "popularity" somehow...0 -
Rochdale is there on Friday IIRCFrancisUrquhart said:I believe a certain PBer was off to the nags...just saying like...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4628592/Ascot-racegoers-abandon-demure-style-Ladies-Day.html0 -
Why not draw a name at random?AlastairMeeks said:The Conservatives should have a Paper Scissors Stone tournament to choose a new leader. The current one is done.
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There's a a Tory in the audience?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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I thought it was today, my mistake.Bobajob_PB said:
Rochdale is there on Friday IIRCFrancisUrquhart said:I believe a certain PBer was off to the nags...just saying like...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4628592/Ascot-racegoers-abandon-demure-style-Ladies-Day.html0 -
As Bismarck said, a statesman must wait to hear God's footsteps marching through history and try and catch on to his coattails.Benpointer said:
In any event, like Royals and the Throne, do any tory contenders actually want the job right now?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The more you call for her to go the longer she will stayTheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May must go NOW.
The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.
The contenders must wait they hear those footsteps turning towards the abandonment of Brexit, and then try to embody the change.0 -
Bring back the magic circle.Sean_F said:
Why not draw a name at random?AlastairMeeks said:The Conservatives should have a Paper Scissors Stone tournament to choose a new leader. The current one is done.
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I just might be getting a liking of a corbyn government,some rich lefties corbynites on here are in for a shock though.0
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And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
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5 live ramping that a unique event happens.ThreeQuidder said:
There's a a Tory in the audience?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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the presenter is unbiased>?bigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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I wish people would stop ramping things. They never live up to the hype.bigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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Streaker runs around DD's table?bigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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Two Peter Oborne's turn up, the Daily Mail columnist and his doppleganger from the Mail Online... they are totally unreleated to each otherbigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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It's amazing how just a few weeks ago we were showered with much PB Tory glee about the impending end of the FTPA. Now they pathetically cling to it, like a legislative comfort blanket, as they hide in a corner, trying to shut out the world.Mortimer said:
Still, one of them IS the PM. The other isn't....MikeSmithson said:
Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.GideonWise said:The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
Gotta love the FTPA.0 -
Old news. We all know May messed up in a big way. It's priced in. These polls aren't anywhere near as bad as they could be. The next set will be more interesting.MikeSmithson said:
Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.GideonWise said:The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
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Roger might have three of his mansions seized?Tykejohnno said:I just might be getting a liking of a corbyn government,some rich lefties corbynites on here are in for a shock though.
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Two of the panel have live sex?bigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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Or the tories run a better GE campaign not the worst in living memory with manifesto that punished people who vote for you.GIN1138 said:
It IS sensational and it shows that we live in extraordinarily volatile times...MikeSmithson said:
Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.GideonWise said:The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
Maybe the next "sensational development" will be Jezza blowing his "popularity" somehow...
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Yes perhaps the media - the BBC I mean you - will scrutinise his ludicrous policies. Even a basic grasp of economics should allow serious questions. The one thing that totally infuriated me during the election was the labour insistence that criticism was wrong because the policy aim was good.GIN1138 said:
It IS sensational and it shows that we live in extraordinarily volatile times...MikeSmithson said:
Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.GideonWise said:The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
Maybe the next "sensational development" will be Cobryn blowing his "popularity" somehow...0 -
Yep - the EU27 are offering a far more generous package to British citizens than the UK government is.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
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Amazing you can remember that and not your passwordsBobajob_PB said:
It's amazing how just a few weeks ago we were showered with much PB Tory glee about the impending end of the FTPA. Now they pathetically cling to it, like a legislative comfort blanket, as they hide in a corner, trying to shut out the world.Mortimer said:
Still, one of them IS the PM. The other isn't....MikeSmithson said:
Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.GideonWise said:The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
Gotta love the FTPA.
But seriously, the status quo ante would be unlikely to bring about an election in the current circumstances either...0 -
Someone in the audience proposes to Gina Miller?bigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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That was a dog of a campaign wasn't it...Tykejohnno said:
Or the tories run a better GE campaign not the worst in living memory with manifesto that punished people who vote for you.GIN1138 said:
It IS sensational and it shows that we live in extraordinarily volatile times...MikeSmithson said:
Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.GideonWise said:The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
Maybe the next "sensational development" will be Jezza blowing his "popularity" somehow... 0 -
And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
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"In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."
And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.
But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?0 -
Didn't realise you were in the audience tonight....williamglenn said:
Someone in the audience proposes to Gina Miller?bigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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That is true. But it was you that brought up the FTPA!Mortimer said:
Amazing you can remember that and not your passwordsBobajob_PB said:
It's amazing how just a few weeks ago we were showered with much PB Tory glee about the impending end of the FTPA. Now they pathetically cling to it, like a legislative comfort blanket, as they hide in a corner, trying to shut out the world.Mortimer said:
Still, one of them IS the PM. The other isn't....MikeSmithson said:
Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.GideonWise said:The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
Gotta love the FTPA.
But seriously, the status quo ante would be unlikely to bring about an election in the current circumstances either...0 -
The most important difference I can see is that the EU wants anyone who has previously exercised their right to live or work in the UK/EU to maintain that right indefinitely whereas the UK wants to restrict it to people who are resident on the cut off day. There's a massive gulf between the positions.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - the EU27 are offering a far more generous package to British citizens than the UK government is.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
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My bets on a fight breaking out or a least a small scuffle. Who's on?Benpointer said:
Two Peter Oborne's turn up, the Daily Mail columnist and his doppleganger from the Mail Online... they are totally unreleated to each otherbigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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Though the numbers are virtually unchanged from just after the election.MikeSmithson said:
Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.GideonWise said:The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
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Because Mrs May is contaminating the Tory brand further, it is political osmosis.blueblue said:"In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."
And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.
But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?0 -
I see JC is taking to the stage at Glastonbury..... Nice for Tom Watson to see him0
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The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:Benpointer said:
And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en
It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
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It isn't Theresa May who is harming the conservative party. If she leaves, who takes over? How would the situation be any better for them?
They are destroying themselves by trying to hold on to power with no majority. The more time they spend trying to hold on to power, the worse it will get for them.
Both the 2016 referendum and the 2017 general election were historic misjudgements on the part of their respective leaders. Their credibility is shot as the establishment party of government, but FPTP should ensure they come back.0 -
Bingo. It only really matters if there is another election soon. You can understand why Labour voters would want that but Tories?blueblue said:"In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."
And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.
But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?0 -
You have to remember the polls were bollocks at the start of the GE campaign and were largely bollocks at the end so drawing conclusions from them is also a load of bollocks. Lets see where we are in 6 months... but they are likely still to be bollocks.blueblue said:"In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."
And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.
But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?0 -
One of the audience asks about AV or more likely someone walks out...GIN1138 said:
Streaker runs around DD's table?bigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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So I see, do you think someone forgot to let Tessa know?SouthamObserver said:
The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:Benpointer said:
And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en
It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.0 -
Since they are the only party who can form a government, then they must hold on.nielh said:It isn't Theresa May who is harming the conservative party. If she leaves, who takes over? How would the situation be any better for them?
They are destroying themselves by trying to hold on to power with no majority. The more time they spend trying to hold on to power, the worse it will get for them.
Both the 2016 referendum and the 2017 general election were historic misjudgements on the part of their respective leaders. Their credibility is shot as the establishment party of government, but FPTP should ensure they come back.
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Something to do with Ashworthwilliamglenn said:
Someone in the audience proposes to Gina Miller?bigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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Asking for a friend who is writing a thread for PB.Scrapheap_as_was said:I see JC is taking to the stage at Glastonbury..... Nice for Tom Watson to see him
Is this Bobby Sol's worst miss?
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Gina miller will say something sensible?bigjohnowls said:
5 live ramping that a unique event happens.ThreeQuidder said:
There's a a Tory in the audience?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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Tykejohnno said:
@foxinsoxuk posted -
Partly, but also without a University and the broader intellectual life that I had become used to.
Hospitals are some of the most multicultural places to work, even in places like Cornwall or Cumbria.
Partly - just imagined that I replaced white with black or Asian then as a doc I would be in deep shit.
I prefer living in multicultural places like Leicester (where everyone is a minority) rather than in monocultural places. I like variety, and diversity.0 -
Tory audience?Nemtynakht said:
Gina miller will say something sensible?bigjohnowls said:
5 live ramping that a unique event happens.ThreeQuidder said:
There's a a Tory in the audience?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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He comes out?bigjohnowls said:
Something to do with Ashworthwilliamglenn said:
Someone in the audience proposes to Gina Miller?bigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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In the circumstances, its not great for Corbyn to be only a little ahead. Shows there's still quite a bit of resistance to the idea of him as PM.0
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She's done as much contaminating as she's ever going to do - in fact, she won't be able to push through any of her unpopular policies, precisely because of her crap result.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because Mrs May is contaminating the Tory brand further, it is political osmosis.blueblue said:"In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."
And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.
But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?
Another leader now = another election in 6 months = Corbyn + McDonnell + Abbott as PM and CotE and HomSec - why the heck would you want that to happen?
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Did he mention corbyn and he was cheered to the rafters.bigjohnowls said:
Something to do with Ashworthwilliamglenn said:
Someone in the audience proposes to Gina Miller?bigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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I need to check my records, but I believe this is the first time YouGov have the Labour leader ahead of the Tory leader on the best PM question since the summer of 2007.0
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Brilliant stuff... great defensive clearance.TheScreamingEagles said:
Asking for a friend who is writing a thread for PB.Scrapheap_as_was said:I see JC is taking to the stage at Glastonbury..... Nice for Tom Watson to see him
Is this Bobby Sol's worst miss?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmcqYBIP9MQ0 -
She knows. She's hoping to pull the wool over the eyes of those who don't.Benpointer said:
So I see, do you think someone forgot to let Tessa know?SouthamObserver said:
The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:Benpointer said:
And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en
It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
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At what cost comrade?Sean_F said:
Since they are the only party who can form a government, then they must hold on.nielh said:It isn't Theresa May who is harming the conservative party. If she leaves, who takes over? How would the situation be any better for them?
They are destroying themselves by trying to hold on to power with no majority. The more time they spend trying to hold on to power, the worse it will get for them.
Both the 2016 referendum and the 2017 general election were historic misjudgements on the part of their respective leaders. Their credibility is shot as the establishment party of government, but FPTP should ensure they come back.
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Go Jezza!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:I need to check my records, but I believe this is the first time YouGov have the Labour leader ahead of the Tory leader on the best PM question since the summer of 2007.
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Now we know that the election that was beats the election that wasn't in the political disaster stakes.TheScreamingEagles said:I need to check my records, but I believe this is the first time YouGov have the Labour leader ahead of the Tory leader on the best PM question since the summer of 2007.
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The FTPA means there's no early election when Mrs May is toppled.blueblue said:
She's done as much contaminating as she's ever going to do - in fact, she won't be able to push through any of her unpopular policies, precisely because of her crap result.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because Mrs May is contaminating the Tory brand further, it is political osmosis.blueblue said:"In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."
And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.
But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?
Another leader now = another election in 6 months = Corbyn + McDonnell + Abbott as PM and CotE and HomSec - why the heck would you want that to happen?0 -
So he can say he was right all along about the Posh Boys?blueblue said:
She's done as much contaminating as she's ever going to do - in fact, she won't be able to push through any of her unpopular policies, precisely because of her crap result.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because Mrs May is contaminating the Tory brand further, it is political osmosis.blueblue said:"In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."
And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.
But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?
Another leader now = another election in 6 months = Corbyn + McDonnell + Abbott as PM and CotE and HomSec - why the heck would you want that to happen? 0 -
Sounds about right. Would have been Brown's honeymoon during the floods.TheScreamingEagles said:I need to check my records, but I believe this is the first time YouGov have the Labour leader ahead of the Tory leader on the best PM question since the summer of 2007.
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God knows perhaps he kisses DDwilliamglenn said:
He comes out?bigjohnowls said:
Something to do with Ashworthwilliamglenn said:
Someone in the audience proposes to Gina Miller?bigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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Probably in the next ten days there will be a thread on PB comparing Mrs May to Roberto Soldado.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Brilliant stuff... great defensive clearance.TheScreamingEagles said:
Asking for a friend who is writing a thread for PB.Scrapheap_as_was said:I see JC is taking to the stage at Glastonbury..... Nice for Tom Watson to see him
Is this Bobby Sol's worst miss?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmcqYBIP9MQ0 -
Parties whose "credibility is shot as the establishment party of government" tend not to win 42.5% of the vote even after the shittiest campaign in history...nielh said:It isn't Theresa May who is harming the conservative party. If she leaves, who takes over? How would the situation be any better for them?
They are destroying themselves by trying to hold on to power with no majority. The more time they spend trying to hold on to power, the worse it will get for them.
Both the 2016 referendum and the 2017 general election were historic misjudgements on the part of their respective leaders. Their credibility is shot as the establishment party of government, but FPTP should ensure they come back.0 -
Tories gone soppy. She should have gone two weeks ago.0
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I suspect Ken Clarke is deeply regretting his 'bloody difficult woman' slip now since she seems to be turning herself into her own parody based on it.SouthamObserver said:
She knows. She's hoping to pull the wool over the eyes of those who don't.Benpointer said:
So I see, do you think someone forgot to let Tessa know?SouthamObserver said:
The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:Benpointer said:
And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en
It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.0 -
I don't mean to be funny, but don't most people these days make use of storage lockers and do in fact take time to move all their things in?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/878006938969100288
The storage locker business is booming by all accounts.
I know I have...and no I don't own multiple homes.0 -
Because Osborne never made gaffes, right?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
We'll need to see the full UK government proposal first. All we can say for sure at this stage is that the EU27 proposal is more generous to UK citizens than the British proposal. However, this will now become a negotiation and there'll be compromise on both sides - that means the final settlement is likely to be much better for UK and EU27 citizens than the current UK position is.williamglenn said:
The most important difference I can see is that the EU wants anyone who has previously exercised their right to live or work in the UK/EU to maintain that right indefinitely whereas the UK wants to restrict it to people who are resident on the cut off day. There's a massive gulf between the positions.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - the EU27 are offering a far more generous package to British citizens than the UK government is.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
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