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edited June 2017 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » New YouGov poll has Corbyn ahead of TMay as “best PM”

Just two weeks to the minute after we saw the exit poll there’s some sensational new polling from YouGov for the Times. The figures are above. TMay is now trailing Corbyn as best PM.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    Mike, you should add this to the thread header

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/877994959365824512
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    I believe a certain PBer was off to the nags...just saying like...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4628592/Ascot-racegoers-abandon-demure-style-Ladies-Day.html
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.

    You say it like it is a bad thing....
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    NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.

    Not NOW, rather in good time.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,315
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.

    The more you call for her to go the longer she will stay
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.

    She might as well stay in place until Corbyn's popularity starts to drop.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,074
    Stay Lady May. Stay while the right is still ahead.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    NorthofStoke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.

    Not NOW, rather in good time.
    Agreed.

    Tories adore their leadership contests, and settling scores with each other going back to the time of Brian Boru, but there's no sensible option but to keep calm and carry on right now.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    AndyJS said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.

    She might as well stay in place until Corbyn's popularity starts to drop.
    And if it doesn't?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The Conservatives should have a Paper Scissors Stone tournament to choose a new leader. The current one is done.
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    GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,631
    Once May is behind in a hypothetical match - up with Abbott then it'll definitely be time for her to quit.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.

    The more you call for her to go the longer she will stay
    In any event, like Royals and the Throne, do any tory contenders actually want the job right now?
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    edited June 2017
    Looks like the public don't want either of them. A pox on both of your houses is the only discernable message from that poll.

    They're both crap.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,315
    Pong said:

    AndyJS said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.

    She might as well stay in place until Corbyn's popularity starts to drop.
    And if it doesn't?
    Only time will tell - remember a week is a long time in politics
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    GideonWise said:

    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.

    Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    @foxinsoxuk posted -

    Partly, but also without a University and the broader intellectual life that I had become used to.
    Hospitals are some of the most multicultural places to work, even in places like Cornwall or Cumbria.


    Partly - just imagined that I replaced white with black or Asian then as a doc I would be in deep shit.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
    MikeSmithson said:

    GideonWise said:

    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.

    Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.
    Still, one of them IS the PM. The other isn't....

    Gotta love the FTPA.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    Not sure why it should add any extra pressure on May considering she won't be fighting the next election (and probably won't stick around until much beyond Spring/Summer 2019)
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,315
    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.

    The more you call for her to go the longer she will stay
    In any event, like Royals and the Throne, do any tory contenders actually want the job right now?
    Why would they as long as TM is willing to continue in Office
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.

    If she goes now, there'll be another election, and Corbyn gets in.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289
    The Not Sures are coming up fast on the rail?
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.

    #SaveMay
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,963
    Jason said:

    Looks like the public don't want either of them. A pox on both of your houses is the only discernable message from that poll.

    They're both crap.

    It's that Aliens vs Predator thing. Whoever wins, we lose.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Corbyn and co haven't changed. TSE and others need to hold their nerve. I am beginning top wonder how big TSE's book is on May going actually is ;)
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    MikeSmithson said:

    GideonWise said:

    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.

    Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.
    ditto Mr Smithson.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    edited June 2017
    MikeSmithson said:

    GideonWise said:

    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.

    Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.
    It IS sensational and it shows that we live in extraordinarily volatile times...

    Maybe the next "sensational development" will be Jezza blowing his "popularity" somehow...
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I believe a certain PBer was off to the nags...just saying like...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4628592/Ascot-racegoers-abandon-demure-style-Ladies-Day.html

    Rochdale is there on Friday IIRC
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    AlastairMeeks said:

    The Conservatives should have a Paper Scissors Stone tournament to choose a new leader. The current one is done.

    Why not draw a name at random?
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    There's a a Tory in the audience?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited June 2017
    Bobajob_PB said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I believe a certain PBer was off to the nags...just saying like...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4628592/Ascot-racegoers-abandon-demure-style-Ladies-Day.html

    Rochdale is there on Friday IIRC
    I thought it was today, my mistake.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,074
    edited June 2017
    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May must go NOW.

    The long she stays the more she damages the Tory party and ensures Corbyn becomes PM.

    The more you call for her to go the longer she will stay
    In any event, like Royals and the Throne, do any tory contenders actually want the job right now?
    As Bismarck said, a statesman must wait to hear God's footsteps marching through history and try and catch on to his coattails.

    The contenders must wait they hear those footsteps turning towards the abandonment of Brexit, and then try to embody the change.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    Sean_F said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    The Conservatives should have a Paper Scissors Stone tournament to choose a new leader. The current one is done.

    Why not draw a name at random?
    Bring back the magic circle.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    I just might be getting a liking of a corbyn government,some rich lefties corbynites on here are in for a shock though.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,074
    FPT
    SouthamObserver said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop

    Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offer
    For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.

    That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.
    And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    ThreeQuidder said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    There's a a Tory in the audience?
    5 live ramping that a unique event happens.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Fantastic news;

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/22/fall-in-hiv-among-gay-men-could-spell-end-for-britains-epidemic-say-experts
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    the presenter is unbiased>?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    I wish people would stop ramping things. They never live up to the hype.

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    Streaker runs around DD's table? :D
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687
    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    Two Peter Oborne's turn up, the Daily Mail columnist and his doppleganger from the Mail Online... they are totally unreleated to each other
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Mortimer said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    GideonWise said:

    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.

    Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.
    Still, one of them IS the PM. The other isn't....

    Gotta love the FTPA.
    It's amazing how just a few weeks ago we were showered with much PB Tory glee about the impending end of the FTPA. Now they pathetically cling to it, like a legislative comfort blanket, as they hide in a corner, trying to shut out the world.
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    GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    MikeSmithson said:

    GideonWise said:

    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.

    Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.
    Old news. We all know May messed up in a big way. It's priced in. These polls aren't anywhere near as bad as they could be. The next set will be more interesting.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    edited June 2017
    Tykejohnno said:

    I just might be getting a liking of a corbyn government,some rich lefties corbynites on here are in for a shock though.

    Roger might have three of his mansions seized? ;)
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    Two of the panel have live sex?
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    GIN1138 said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    GideonWise said:

    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.

    Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.
    It IS sensational and it shows that we live in extraordinarily volatile times...

    Maybe the next "sensational development" will be Jezza blowing his "popularity" somehow...
    Or the tories run a better GE campaign not the worst in living memory with manifesto that punished people who vote for you.
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    NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,311
    GIN1138 said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    GideonWise said:

    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.

    Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.
    It IS sensational and it shows that we live in extraordinarily volatile times...

    Maybe the next "sensational development" will be Cobryn blowing his "popularity" somehow...
    Yes perhaps the media - the BBC I mean you - will scrutinise his ludicrous policies. Even a basic grasp of economics should allow serious questions. The one thing that totally infuriated me during the election was the labour insistence that criticism was wrong because the policy aim was good.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    williamglenn said:

    FPT

    SouthamObserver said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop

    Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offer
    For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.

    That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.
    And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.

    Yep - the EU27 are offering a far more generous package to British citizens than the UK government is.

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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
    Bobajob_PB said:

    Mortimer said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    GideonWise said:

    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.

    Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.
    Still, one of them IS the PM. The other isn't....

    Gotta love the FTPA.
    It's amazing how just a few weeks ago we were showered with much PB Tory glee about the impending end of the FTPA. Now they pathetically cling to it, like a legislative comfort blanket, as they hide in a corner, trying to shut out the world.
    Amazing you can remember that and not your passwords :)

    But seriously, the status quo ante would be unlikely to bring about an election in the current circumstances either...
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,074
    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    Someone in the audience proposes to Gina Miller?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    Tykejohnno said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    GideonWise said:

    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.

    Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.
    It IS sensational and it shows that we live in extraordinarily volatile times...

    Maybe the next "sensational development" will be Jezza blowing his "popularity" somehow...
    Or the tories run a better GE campaign not the worst in living memory with manifesto that punished people who vote for you.
    That was a dog of a campaign wasn't it... :D
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687
    williamglenn said:

    FPT

    SouthamObserver said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop

    Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offer
    For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.

    That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.
    And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.
    And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.
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    blueblueblueblue Posts: 875
    "In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."

    And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.

    But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
    williamglenn said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    Someone in the audience proposes to Gina Miller?
    Didn't realise you were in the audience tonight....
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,074
    SouthamObserver said:

    williamglenn said:

    FPT

    SouthamObserver said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop

    Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offer
    For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.

    That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.
    And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.

    Yep - the EU27 are offering a far more generous package to British citizens than the UK government is.
    The most important difference I can see is that the EU wants anyone who has previously exercised their right to live or work in the UK/EU to maintain that right indefinitely whereas the UK wants to restrict it to people who are resident on the cut off day. There's a massive gulf between the positions.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Mortimer said:

    Bobajob_PB said:

    Mortimer said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    GideonWise said:

    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.

    Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.
    Still, one of them IS the PM. The other isn't....

    Gotta love the FTPA.
    It's amazing how just a few weeks ago we were showered with much PB Tory glee about the impending end of the FTPA. Now they pathetically cling to it, like a legislative comfort blanket, as they hide in a corner, trying to shut out the world.
    Amazing you can remember that and not your passwords :)

    But seriously, the status quo ante would be unlikely to bring about an election in the current circumstances either...
    That is true. But it was you that brought up the FTPA!
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    nrs3079nrs3079 Posts: 14
    Benpointer said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    Two Peter Oborne's turn up, the Daily Mail columnist and his doppleganger from the Mail Online... they are totally unreleated to each other
    My bets on a fight breaking out or a least a small scuffle. Who's on?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    MikeSmithson said:

    GideonWise said:

    The figures aren't that bad considering the last few weeks.

    Dropping from a 39% lead 8 weeks ago to 1% behind is pretty sensational. Get it into your head.
    Though the numbers are virtually unchanged from just after the election.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    blueblue said:

    "In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."

    And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.

    But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?

    Because Mrs May is contaminating the Tory brand further, it is political osmosis.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    I see JC is taking to the stage at Glastonbury..... Nice for Tom Watson to see him
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    Benpointer said:

    williamglenn said:

    FPT

    SouthamObserver said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop

    Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offer
    For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.

    That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.
    And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.
    And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.

    The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en

    It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    It isn't Theresa May who is harming the conservative party. If she leaves, who takes over? How would the situation be any better for them?

    They are destroying themselves by trying to hold on to power with no majority. The more time they spend trying to hold on to power, the worse it will get for them.

    Both the 2016 referendum and the 2017 general election were historic misjudgements on the part of their respective leaders. Their credibility is shot as the establishment party of government, but FPTP should ensure they come back.
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    GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    blueblue said:

    "In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."

    And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.

    But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?

    Bingo. It only really matters if there is another election soon. You can understand why Labour voters would want that but Tories?
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited June 2017
    blueblue said:

    "In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."

    And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.

    But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?

    You have to remember the polls were bollocks at the start of the GE campaign and were largely bollocks at the end so drawing conclusions from them is also a load of bollocks. Lets see where we are in 6 months... but they are likely still to be bollocks.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    GIN1138 said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    Streaker runs around DD's table? :D
    One of the audience asks about AV or more likely someone walks out...
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687
    SouthamObserver said:

    Benpointer said:

    williamglenn said:

    FPT

    SouthamObserver said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop

    Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offer
    For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.

    That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.
    And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.
    And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.

    The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en

    It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
    So I see, do you think someone forgot to let Tessa know?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    nielh said:

    It isn't Theresa May who is harming the conservative party. If she leaves, who takes over? How would the situation be any better for them?

    They are destroying themselves by trying to hold on to power with no majority. The more time they spend trying to hold on to power, the worse it will get for them.

    Both the 2016 referendum and the 2017 general election were historic misjudgements on the part of their respective leaders. Their credibility is shot as the establishment party of government, but FPTP should ensure they come back.

    Since they are the only party who can form a government, then they must hold on.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    williamglenn said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    Someone in the audience proposes to Gina Miller?
    Something to do with Ashworth
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I see JC is taking to the stage at Glastonbury..... Nice for Tom Watson to see him

    Asking for a friend who is writing a thread for PB.

    Is this Bobby Sol's worst miss?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmcqYBIP9MQ
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    NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,311
    bigjohnowls said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    There's a a Tory in the audience?
    5 live ramping that a unique event happens.
    Gina miller will say something sensible?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Tykejohnno said:

    @foxinsoxuk posted -

    Partly, but also without a University and the broader intellectual life that I had become used to.
    Hospitals are some of the most multicultural places to work, even in places like Cornwall or Cumbria.


    Partly - just imagined that I replaced white with black or Asian then as a doc I would be in deep shit.

    I prefer living in multicultural places like Leicester (where everyone is a minority) rather than in monocultural places. I like variety, and diversity.
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    shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    Nemtynakht said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    There's a a Tory in the audience?
    5 live ramping that a unique event happens.
    Gina miller will say something sensible?
    Tory audience?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,074
    bigjohnowls said:

    williamglenn said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    Someone in the audience proposes to Gina Miller?
    Something to do with Ashworth
    He comes out?
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    William_HWilliam_H Posts: 346
    In the circumstances, its not great for Corbyn to be only a little ahead. Shows there's still quite a bit of resistance to the idea of him as PM.
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    blueblueblueblue Posts: 875
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    blueblue said:

    "In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."

    And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.

    But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?

    Because Mrs May is contaminating the Tory brand further, it is political osmosis.
    She's done as much contaminating as she's ever going to do - in fact, she won't be able to push through any of her unpopular policies, precisely because of her crap result.

    Another leader now = another election in 6 months = Corbyn + McDonnell + Abbott as PM and CotE and HomSec - why the heck would you want that to happen?

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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    bigjohnowls said:

    williamglenn said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    Someone in the audience proposes to Gina Miller?
    Something to do with Ashworth
    Did he mention corbyn and he was cheered to the rafters.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    I need to check my records, but I believe this is the first time YouGov have the Labour leader ahead of the Tory leader on the best PM question since the summer of 2007.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I see JC is taking to the stage at Glastonbury..... Nice for Tom Watson to see him

    Asking for a friend who is writing a thread for PB.

    Is this Bobby Sol's worst miss?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmcqYBIP9MQ
    Brilliant stuff... great defensive clearance.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    Benpointer said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Benpointer said:

    williamglenn said:

    FPT

    SouthamObserver said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop

    Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offer
    For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.

    That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.
    And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.
    And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.

    The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en

    It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
    So I see, do you think someone forgot to let Tessa know?

    She knows. She's hoping to pull the wool over the eyes of those who don't.

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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Sean_F said:

    nielh said:

    It isn't Theresa May who is harming the conservative party. If she leaves, who takes over? How would the situation be any better for them?

    They are destroying themselves by trying to hold on to power with no majority. The more time they spend trying to hold on to power, the worse it will get for them.

    Both the 2016 referendum and the 2017 general election were historic misjudgements on the part of their respective leaders. Their credibility is shot as the establishment party of government, but FPTP should ensure they come back.

    Since they are the only party who can form a government, then they must hold on.
    At what cost comrade?

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I need to check my records, but I believe this is the first time YouGov have the Labour leader ahead of the Tory leader on the best PM question since the summer of 2007.

    Go Jezza!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    :D
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,074
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I need to check my records, but I believe this is the first time YouGov have the Labour leader ahead of the Tory leader on the best PM question since the summer of 2007.

    Now we know that the election that was beats the election that wasn't in the political disaster stakes.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    blueblue said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    blueblue said:

    "In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."

    And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.

    But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?

    Because Mrs May is contaminating the Tory brand further, it is political osmosis.
    She's done as much contaminating as she's ever going to do - in fact, she won't be able to push through any of her unpopular policies, precisely because of her crap result.

    Another leader now = another election in 6 months = Corbyn + McDonnell + Abbott as PM and CotE and HomSec - why the heck would you want that to happen?

    The FTPA means there's no early election when Mrs May is toppled.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    blueblue said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    blueblue said:

    "In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."

    And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.

    But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?

    Because Mrs May is contaminating the Tory brand further, it is political osmosis.
    She's done as much contaminating as she's ever going to do - in fact, she won't be able to push through any of her unpopular policies, precisely because of her crap result.

    Another leader now = another election in 6 months = Corbyn + McDonnell + Abbott as PM and CotE and HomSec - why the heck would you want that to happen?

    So he can say he was right all along about the Posh Boys? ;)
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I need to check my records, but I believe this is the first time YouGov have the Labour leader ahead of the Tory leader on the best PM question since the summer of 2007.

    Sounds about right. Would have been Brown's honeymoon during the floods.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    williamglenn said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    williamglenn said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.

    What ?
    Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.
    Someone in the audience proposes to Gina Miller?
    Something to do with Ashworth
    He comes out?
    God knows perhaps he kisses DD
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I see JC is taking to the stage at Glastonbury..... Nice for Tom Watson to see him

    Asking for a friend who is writing a thread for PB.

    Is this Bobby Sol's worst miss?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmcqYBIP9MQ
    Brilliant stuff... great defensive clearance.
    Probably in the next ten days there will be a thread on PB comparing Mrs May to Roberto Soldado.
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    blueblueblueblue Posts: 875
    nielh said:

    It isn't Theresa May who is harming the conservative party. If she leaves, who takes over? How would the situation be any better for them?

    They are destroying themselves by trying to hold on to power with no majority. The more time they spend trying to hold on to power, the worse it will get for them.

    Both the 2016 referendum and the 2017 general election were historic misjudgements on the part of their respective leaders. Their credibility is shot as the establishment party of government, but FPTP should ensure they come back.

    Parties whose "credibility is shot as the establishment party of government" tend not to win 42.5% of the vote even after the shittiest campaign in history...
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Tories gone soppy. She should have gone two weeks ago.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
    Jonathan said:

    Tories gone soppy. She should have gone two weeks ago.

    All this protesting makes me think you're actually a little worried that she's staying....
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687
    SouthamObserver said:

    Benpointer said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Benpointer said:

    williamglenn said:

    FPT

    SouthamObserver said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop

    Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offer
    For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.

    That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.
    And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.
    And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.

    The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en

    It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
    So I see, do you think someone forgot to let Tessa know?

    She knows. She's hoping to pull the wool over the eyes of those who don't.

    I suspect Ken Clarke is deeply regretting his 'bloody difficult woman' slip now since she seems to be turning herself into her own parody based on it.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/878006938969100288
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited June 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/878006938969100288

    I don't mean to be funny, but don't most people these days make use of storage lockers and do in fact take time to move all their things in?
    The storage locker business is booming by all accounts.

    I know I have...and no I don't own multiple homes.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/878006938969100288

    Because Osborne never made gaffes, right?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    williamglenn said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    williamglenn said:

    FPT

    SouthamObserver said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop

    Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offer
    For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.

    That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.
    And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.

    Yep - the EU27 are offering a far more generous package to British citizens than the UK government is.
    The most important difference I can see is that the EU wants anyone who has previously exercised their right to live or work in the UK/EU to maintain that right indefinitely whereas the UK wants to restrict it to people who are resident on the cut off day. There's a massive gulf between the positions.

    We'll need to see the full UK government proposal first. All we can say for sure at this stage is that the EU27 proposal is more generous to UK citizens than the British proposal. However, this will now become a negotiation and there'll be compromise on both sides - that means the final settlement is likely to be much better for UK and EU27 citizens than the current UK position is.

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    shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Tories gone soppy. She should have gone two weeks ago.

    All this protesting makes me think you're actually a little worried that she's staying....
    last spasm of the remoaners before they fly off to Tuscany hols.
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