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JosiasJessop said:

tlg86 said:

Chris said:

bigjohnowls said:

oxfordsimon said:

bigjohnowls said:

Theresa May has announced an £8,333 aid package for each person caught up in the Grenfell tragedy (about 6 months rent in London)

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Jeremy Vine‏Verified account @theJeremyVine 20h20 hours ago
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Incredulous at this. Faced with a choice between flammable panels and fire-resistant ones, they chose the flammables.
Total saved: £5,000

I'm not sure all the information about the panels is 100% accurate. A couple of hours ago Jim Reed of the BBC was saying it wasn't clear whether the fire-retardant version was available at the time of the work.

But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.

Which 'politicians' are these?

The architects were probably responsible for choosing the type of panels (assuming their directions were followed by builders and suppliers). I'm guessing the only way 'politicians' would have got involved is through the planning process - and then they'd have been more bothered about the final look of the building.

But I thought, going on the BBC's balanced and objective coverage, that Theresa May and Saddiq Khan had been up the scaffold nailing in said killer panels themselves?

bigjohnowls said:

David Lammy MP on Grenfell Tower fire: "This is a tale of two cities. This is what Dickens was writing about"

A tale of two cities was about London and Paris wasn't it?

Roger said:

We are seeing a potent example of the butterfly effect which started with some bad polling by Yougov........

Cameron being led to believe he was losing the 2015 election offered an extremely minor party to call a referendum......

the rest is a catalogue of errors which led through Brexit to the possible destruction of the Tory Party and the first Marxist government this country has had and the rest is too early to predict.

You can add Cameron promises of no increases in tax rates but guarantees of spending increases while not expecting to have to implement them.

And before that Clegg's promises on tuition fees when not expecting to be in government.

Or every other magic money tree funded promise from establishment politicians.

GIN1138 said:

Sean_F said:

bigjohnowls said:

oxfordsimon said:

bigjohnowls said:

Theresa May has announced an £8,333 aid package for each person caught up in the Grenfell tragedy (about 6 months rent in London)

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Jeremy Vine‏Verified account @theJeremyVine 20h20 hours ago
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Incredulous at this. Faced with a choice between flammable panels and fire-resistant ones, they chose the flammables.
Total saved: £5,000

Given that they had £120,000 per flat to spend, it clearly was not shortage of money. It is quite possibly the case that the money was spent badly.

I wonder whether the panels chosen were "better" from a Climate Change POV?

If they had a better insulation factor and were cheaper the need to reduce carbon would have made the decision for the authorities.

This tragedy will have many twists and turns as it unfolds over the coming months and years

Sean_F said:

bigjohnowls said:

oxfordsimon said:

bigjohnowls said:

Theresa May has announced an £8,333 aid package for each person caught up in the Grenfell tragedy (about 6 months rent in London)

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Jeremy Vine‏Verified account @theJeremyVine 20h20 hours ago
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Incredulous at this. Faced with a choice between flammable panels and fire-resistant ones, they chose the flammables.
Total saved: £5,000

Given that they had £120,000 per flat to spend, it clearly was not shortage of money. It is quite possibly the case that the money was spent badly.

For that money they could have built or bought proper houses outside London.

another_richard said:

The Osborne strategy was based on a vast wealth transfer from the young to the old:

' Student loan debt in the UK has risen to more than £100bn for the first time, underlining the rising costs young people face in order to get a university education.

Outstanding debt on loans jumped by 16.6% to £100.5bn at the end of March, up from £86.2bn a year earlier, according to the Student Loans Company. England accounted for £89.3bn of the total.

Sebastian Burnside, a senior economist at NatWest, said student debt was rising at a faster pace than any other form of debt, and eclipsed credit card debt of £68bn. “These latest figures show student debt is becoming of greater priority with every passing year. Student debt is the fastest growing type of borrowing and is rapidly becoming economically significant.”

Burnside predicted that over the longer term, student loan debt was likely to double to £200bn in six years. '

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jun/15/uk-student-loan-debt-soars-to-more-than-100bn

And IIRC student tuition fees aren't even classed as debt by the BoE but rather as deferred taxation.

Makes sense as they're a bizarre capped income tax.

If it wasn't for the interest then I would think it was quite a neat little graduate tax. The interest rate on the new ones is punitive though and should be scrapped.

tlg86 said:

Chris said:

bigjohnowls said:

oxfordsimon said:

bigjohnowls said:

Theresa May has announced an £8,333 aid package for each person caught up in the Grenfell tragedy (about 6 months rent in London)

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Jeremy Vine‏Verified account @theJeremyVine 20h20 hours ago
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Incredulous at this. Faced with a choice between flammable panels and fire-resistant ones, they chose the flammables.
Total saved: £5,000

I'm not sure all the information about the panels is 100% accurate. A couple of hours ago Jim Reed of the BBC was saying it wasn't clear whether the fire-retardant version was available at the time of the work.

But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.

Because Building regulations permitted its use. It's not as if the committee did something illegal - there has been a tragedy and we need to understand what went wrong and how to avoid it in future. A blame culture doesn't help

bigjohnowls said:

They should leave #GrenfellTower standing as a stark monument to callousness, inequality & greed.

It needs to be demolished and a commemorative garden created

The people who wet the bed if someone suggests a Muslim is behind a terror attack before the suspect is identified should be sleeping on rubber mattresses for weeks over the political points made over this fire

another_richard said:

DeClare said:

bigjohnowls said:

David Lammy MP on Grenfell Tower fire: "This is a tale of two cities. This is what Dickens was writing about"

A tale of two cities was about London and Paris wasn't it?

Lammy is well know for being rather thick.

This would be a better equivalent Victorian novel:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_(novel)

' Sybil, or The Two Nations is an 1845 novel by Benjamin Disraeli. Published in the same year as Friedrich Engels's The Condition of the Working Class in England in 1844, Sybil traces the plight of the working classes of England. Disraeli was interested in dealing with the horrific conditions in which the majority of England's working classes lived — or, what is generally called the Condition of England question.

The book is a roman à thèse, or a novel with a thesis — which was meant to create a furor over the squalor that was plaguing England's working class cities. '

Yes - I'll bet Lammy was confusing Dickens and Disraeli.

Philip_Thompson said:

another_richard said:

The Osborne strategy was based on a vast wealth transfer from the young to the old:

' Student loan debt in the UK has risen to more than £100bn for the first time, underlining the rising costs young people face in order to get a university education.

Outstanding debt on loans jumped by 16.6% to £100.5bn at the end of March, up from £86.2bn a year earlier, according to the Student Loans Company. England accounted for £89.3bn of the total.

Sebastian Burnside, a senior economist at NatWest, said student debt was rising at a faster pace than any other form of debt, and eclipsed credit card debt of £68bn. “These latest figures show student debt is becoming of greater priority with every passing year. Student debt is the fastest growing type of borrowing and is rapidly becoming economically significant.”

Burnside predicted that over the longer term, student loan debt was likely to double to £200bn in six years. '

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jun/15/uk-student-loan-debt-soars-to-more-than-100bn

And IIRC student tuition fees aren't even classed as debt by the BoE but rather as deferred taxation.

Makes sense as they're a bizarre capped income tax.

If it wasn't for the interest then I would think it was quite a neat little graduate tax. The interest rate on the new ones is punitive though and should be scrapped.

The interest rate should be limited to inflation.

DeClare said:

bigjohnowls said:

David Lammy MP on Grenfell Tower fire: "This is a tale of two cities. This is what Dickens was writing about"

A tale of two cities was about London and Paris wasn't it?

I thought the two sentences were separate, many of his other books and stories were about the London inequalities so that would cover the second part. But yes, he could be linking the two...

isam said:

The people who wet the bed if someone suggests a Muslim is behind a terror attack before the suspect is identified should be sleeping on rubber mattresses for weeks over the political points made over this fire

Yes it does seem a different set of rules are applying right now when the broadcasters have set speculation to the maximum level.

Chris said:

another_richard said:

DeClare said:

bigjohnowls said:

David Lammy MP on Grenfell Tower fire: "This is a tale of two cities. This is what Dickens was writing about"

A tale of two cities was about London and Paris wasn't it?

Lammy is well know for being rather thick.

This would be a better equivalent Victorian novel:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_(novel)

' Sybil, or The Two Nations is an 1845 novel by Benjamin Disraeli. Published in the same year as Friedrich Engels's The Condition of the Working Class in England in 1844, Sybil traces the plight of the working classes of England. Disraeli was interested in dealing with the horrific conditions in which the majority of England's working classes lived — or, what is generally called the Condition of England question.

The book is a roman à thèse, or a novel with a thesis — which was meant to create a furor over the squalor that was plaguing England's working class cities. '

Yes - I'll bet Lammy was confusing Dickens and Disraeli.

Lammy was confused is a general theme about him isn't it

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Monksfield said:

HYUFD said:

nunuone said:

Fpt
"3:59PM
My Corbynista girlfriend thinks the Grenfell fire was the explicit fault of the Tory government and evil capitalist landlords.

By contrast, she has suspicions about the Manchester attack, and wonders if it might have been a false flag, or some kind of hoax.

She probably has an IQ of 140 and studies Hindi and Anthropology at SOAS.

Were we this mad at 21? Have the younger generation replaced drugs and booze with conspiracy theories and mass psychosis? I am genuinely bewildered."

Its because of the internet, whereas before if you believed these things you would only find one or two people who thought like you now you will find a whole community to confirm your biases. The more people you find the more confirmation bias you have. Also the left wing young have always blamed the Tory government for everything. So maybe things haven't changed that much.......

According to the Evening Standard tonight the new Labour MP for Kensington was on the Kensington and Chelsea council housing committee

That's as may be so but on any LA committee your influence is somewhat limited unless you're in the administration.

The housing committee would have been key, they and the architects and the construction firm are the ones who really need to be questioned

Wasn't the new labour MP on one of the committees. I have not seen her cross examined yet

Emma Dent-Coad, yes

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Chris said:

another_richard said:

DeClare said:

bigjohnowls said:

David Lammy MP on Grenfell Tower fire: "This is a tale of two cities. This is what Dickens was writing about"

A tale of two cities was about London and Paris wasn't it?

Lammy is well know for being rather thick.

This would be a better equivalent Victorian novel:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_(novel)

' Sybil, or The Two Nations is an 1845 novel by Benjamin Disraeli. Published in the same year as Friedrich Engels's The Condition of the Working Class in England in 1844, Sybil traces the plight of the working classes of England. Disraeli was interested in dealing with the horrific conditions in which the majority of England's working classes lived — or, what is generally called the Condition of England question.

The book is a roman à thèse, or a novel with a thesis — which was meant to create a furor over the squalor that was plaguing England's working class cities. '

Yes - I'll bet Lammy was confusing Dickens and Disraeli.

Lammy was confused is a general theme about him isn't it

He seems to be made a spokesman for many things by the media but what qualifies him nobody has a clue.

nichomar said:

So we've now devoured the mail and express and believe its climate change regolations and the EU to blame

It may or may not be. The need to put in place the most energy efficient panels may be a salient point

HaroldO said:

DeClare said:

bigjohnowls said:

David Lammy MP on Grenfell Tower fire: "This is a tale of two cities. This is what Dickens was writing about"

A tale of two cities was about London and Paris wasn't it?

I thought the two sentences were separate, many of his other books and stories were about the London inequalities so that would cover the second part. But yes, he could be linking the two...

TBF he probably doesn't know that's where the phrase comes from...

nichomar said:

So we've now devoured the mail and express and believe its climate change regolations and the EU to blame

It's not the papers, it's in the documents about the project.

So it's not about blaming such regulations, but it is true that the cladding is added in part to improve energy efficiency. In the old days when we didn't care about such stuff the building would probably have kept the existing facade.

Charles said:

HaroldO said:

DeClare said:

bigjohnowls said:

David Lammy MP on Grenfell Tower fire: "This is a tale of two cities. This is what Dickens was writing about"

A tale of two cities was about London and Paris wasn't it?

I thought the two sentences were separate, many of his other books and stories were about the London inequalities so that would cover the second part. But yes, he could be linking the two...

TBF he probably doesn't know that's where the phrase comes from...

I think he's read about what Dickens wrote, rather than what he actually wrote. I mean Mr Jaggers is hard work, but worth it.
An excellent read this by the way, if anyone is interested;

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/the-victorian-city-everyday-life-in-dickenss-london-by-judith-flanders-8197955.html

Bobajob_PB said:

another_richard said:

Sean_F said:

bigjohnowls said:

oxfordsimon said:

bigjohnowls said:

Theresa May has announced an £8,333 aid package for each person caught up in the Grenfell tragedy (about 6 months rent in London)

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Jeremy Vine‏Verified account @theJeremyVine 20h20 hours ago
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Incredulous at this. Faced with a choice between flammable panels and fire-resistant ones, they chose the flammables.
Total saved: £5,000

Given that they had £120,000 per flat to spend, it clearly was not shortage of money. It is quite possibly the case that the money was spent badly.

For that money they could have built or bought proper houses outside London.

Here we go again. Does your obsession with effecting a London exodus ever end?

Its you who has the obsession and for some reason about my comments.

Perhaps you don't know but for many years it was the policy of governments at all levels to build new homes outside the cities for the residents of inner city slums to relocate to for a better life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_towns_in_the_United_Kingdom

Doubtless you would have been in a fury about Clem Atlee and his government for 'effecting a London exodus'.

logical_song said:

JosiasJessop said:

tlg86 said:

Chris said:

bigjohnowls said:

oxfordsimon said:

bigjohnowls said:

Theresa May has announced an £8,333 aid package for each person caught up in the Grenfell tragedy (about 6 months rent in London)

Blood Money

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Jeremy Vine‏Verified account @theJeremyVine 20h20 hours ago
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Incredulous at this. Faced with a choice between flammable panels and fire-resistant ones, they chose the flammables.
Total saved: £5,000

I'm not sure all the information about the panels is 100% accurate. A couple of hours ago Jim Reed of the BBC was saying it wasn't clear whether the fire-retardant version was available at the time of the work.

But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.

Which 'politicians' are these?

The architects were probably responsible for choosing the type of panels (assuming their directions were followed by builders and suppliers). I'm guessing the only way 'politicians' would have got involved is through the planning process - and then they'd have been more bothered about the final look of the building.

Of course it's a good idea to make housing more energy efficient, cheaper to run and to look better. Of course it should be safe before anything else. The decision to use cladding that burns is inexplicable.

Yep. The authorities were trying to improve the lot of the residents. Whether that was by energy efficiency, improving the environment and how people feel about their homes or improving the facilities is immaterial. They were trying to make things better.

This doesn't in any way excuse them if they made bad decisions and people died because of it, but the idea that this is because people didn't care is pretty perverse.

glw said:

nichomar said:

So we've now devoured the mail and express and believe its climate change regolations and the EU to blame

It's not the papers, it's in the documents about the project.

So it's not about blaming such regulations, but it is true that the cladding is added in part to improve energy efficiency. In the old days when we didn't care about such stuff the building would probably have kept the existing facade.

I actually thought the primary objective was to improve the visual appearance but i might be wrong

Charles said:

tlg86 said:

Charles said:

tlg86 said:

Chris said:

bigjohnowls said:

oxfordsimon said:

bigjohnowls said:

Theresa May has announced an £8,333 aid package for each person caught up in the Grenfell tragedy (about 6 months rent in London)

Blood Money

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Jeremy Vine‏Verified account @theJeremyVine 20h20 hours ago
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Incredulous at this. Faced with a choice between flammable panels and fire-resistant ones, they chose the flammables.
Total saved: £5,000

I'm not sure all the information about the panels is 100% accurate. A couple of hours ago Jim Reed of the BBC was saying it wasn't clear whether the fire-retardant version was available at the time of the work.

But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.

Because Building regulations permitted its use. It's not as if the committee did something illegal - there has been a tragedy and we need to understand what went wrong and how to avoid it in future. A blame culture doesn't help

Okay, fine. But who was paying for this and what were they trying to achieve?

It will all be in the committee papers but I'd assume:

- updating to modern building standards
- improving energy efficiency
- good estate management
- cosmetic improvements for residents and other locals

Agree, Mr C, but there was unquestionably an element of lowest cost. There used to be a rule of thumb that one accepted the lowest-but-one tender, which seems to have gone by the bye

bigjohnowls said:

They should leave #GrenfellTower standing as a stark monument to callousness, inequality & greed.

Greed of the non-profit sector who decided not to spend the money given to them by the council?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Chris said:

GIN1138 said:

Sean_F said:

bigjohnowls said:

oxfordsimon said:

bigjohnowls said:

Theresa May has announced an £8,333 aid package for each person caught up in the Grenfell tragedy (about 6 months rent in London)

Blood Money

Grow up

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Jeremy Vine‏Verified account @theJeremyVine 20h20 hours ago
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Incredulous at this. Faced with a choice between flammable panels and fire-resistant ones, they chose the flammables.
Total saved: £5,000

Given that they had £120,000 per flat to spend, it clearly was not shortage of money. It is quite possibly the case that the money was spent badly.

I wonder whether the panels chosen were "better" from a Climate Change POV?

Given that insulation is the purpose of the cladding, it's not likely that the cheaper cladding is a more efficient insulator than the more expensive cladding, is it?

Only an architect or a QS could tell you that

In the absence of one of those, common sense is some help. Why would anyone buy a more expensive insulator, if the cheaper one is better at insulating?

KentRising said:

JackW said:

KentRising said:

He seems to be made a spokesman for many things by the media but what qualifies him nobody has a clue.

David Lammy MP

The clue is at the end.

Yeah, but on telly a lot, is what I'm saying. Is he Labour spokesman for something, or is it just Lammy loving the spotlight, as he has been accused of before? Politics being show business for ugly people, after all.

In this case I think he's talking a lot because he knew one of the people who died

Everyone should consider, that if the PM falls over this, then MOB RULE wins.

kyf_100 said:

tlg86 said:

But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.

Ghastly? Yours for £1712 per calendar month...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-59885887.html

Crikey! So does that mean it was a mix of private and social tenants?

It's interesting, because when you see tower blocks you assume they're not particularly special on the inside.

As a northerner, I despair when I watch these almost daily protests in London. Especially, as they are shown all over the world.

London is not representative of this country.

An interesting weekend of choices ahead for Tory MPs:

1. Leave May in place. Arlene Foster and various Tories find they have better places to be than back May. Labour force a confidence motion on Wednesday, the government falls
2. Remove May. No time for a leadership election, so a quick coronation of yet another unelected PM. Enough factional fall-out from her fall to make people abstain, no deal for Arlene to back, the government falls

OR

3. Remove May. A coronation. Everyone pulls together to get the QS through. Government finds itself without a programme of government it can get through parliament or a version of Brexit that anyone supports. Government survives for now, but Brexit negotiations are swift and brutal - no deal
4. Leave May in place. Scrapes through the QS, and she goes off to Brussels to again be given a brutally swift reality check from the EU. And we are left with a Zombie PM only there because her running from residents in Kensington is the least worst option facing Tory MPs

Its going to be a fascinating weekend. There are going to be significant acres of coverage of Tory MPs saying this can't go on. If the Tories aren't unanimously backing May, the DUP won't rescue her. I think the QS is going ahead because the deal is dead.

tlg86 said:

kyf_100 said:

tlg86 said:

But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.

Ghastly? Yours for £1712 per calendar month...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-59885887.html

Crikey! So does that mean it was a mix of private and social tenants?

It's interesting, because when you see tower blocks you assume they're not particularly special on the inside.

Location, location, location

KentRising said:

JackW said:

KentRising said:

He seems to be made a spokesman for many things by the media but what qualifies him nobody has a clue.

David Lammy MP

The clue is at the end.

Yeah, but on telly a lot, is what I'm saying. Is he Labour spokesman for something, or is it just Lammy loving the spotlight, as he has been accused of before? Politics being show business for ugly people, after all.

Whether the media decide to utilize Lammy is a matter for them. You may always swift off or change channel.

RochdalePioneers said:

An interesting weekend of choices ahead for Tory MPs:

1. Leave May in place. Arlene Foster and various Tories find they have better places to be than back May. Labour force a confidence motion on Wednesday, the government falls
2. Remove May. No time for a leadership election, so a quick coronation of yet another unelected PM. Enough factional fall-out from her fall to make people abstain, no deal for Arlene to back, the government falls

OR

3. Remove May. A coronation. Everyone pulls together to get the QS through. Government finds itself without a programme of government it can get through parliament or a version of Brexit that anyone supports. Government survives for now, but Brexit negotiations are swift and brutal - no deal
4. Leave May in place. Scrapes through the QS, and she goes off to Brussels to again be given a brutally swift reality check from the EU. And we are left with a Zombie PM only there because her running from residents in Kensington is the least worst option facing Tory MPs

Its going to be a fascinating weekend. There are going to be significant acres of coverage of Tory MPs saying this can't go on. If the Tories aren't unanimously backing May, the DUP won't rescue her. I think the QS is going ahead because the deal is dead.

Nothing will happen by the party before the Queens Speech - as I said earlier the fascinating thing about the Queens Speech is how the votes in the HOC break at the end of the five days debate

tlg86 said:

kyf_100 said:

tlg86 said:

But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.

Ghastly? Yours for £1712 per calendar month...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-59885887.html

Crikey! So does that mean it was a mix of private and social tenants?

It's interesting, because when you see tower blocks you assume they're not particularly special on the inside.

I lived in one that looked almost identical to that, about a decade ago.

My partner and I rented it from the owner, who had bought it under right to buy.

This definitely wasn't unusual and I would assume a fair number of flats in the block were privately owned.

I imagine a flat like that would sell for about 450,000 these days and mortgage companies can be funny about it, so they often go to private landlords who can afford to pay cash.

tlg86 said:

kyf_100 said:

tlg86 said:

But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.

Ghastly? Yours for £1712 per calendar month...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-59885887.html

Crikey! So does that mean it was a mix of private and social tenants?

It's interesting, because when you see tower blocks you assume they're not particularly special on the inside.

I'm not sure "richer" or luxury appartments are completely safe tbh !

KentRising said:

JackW said:

KentRising said:

He seems to be made a spokesman for many things by the media but what qualifies him nobody has a clue.

David Lammy MP

The clue is at the end.

Yeah, but on telly a lot, is what I'm saying. Is he Labour spokesman for something, or is it just Lammy loving the spotlight, as he has been accused of before? Politics being show business for ugly people, after all.

He is there because his friend died in the tower

isam said:

tlg86 said:

kyf_100 said:

tlg86 said:

But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.

Ghastly? Yours for £1712 per calendar month...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-59885887.html

Crikey! So does that mean it was a mix of private and social tenants?

It's interesting, because when you see tower blocks you assume they're not particularly special on the inside.

Location, location, location

Bloody hell, they reallyy do have their choice of tenants:
- No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants
- No Students
- No Pets, sorry
- No Smokers
- Not Suitable for Families / Children
- Bills not included
- No Parking Available
- No Garden Access

RochdalePioneers said:

An interesting weekend of choices ahead for Tory MPs:

1. Leave May in place. Arlene Foster and various Tories find they have better places to be than back May. Labour force a confidence motion on Wednesday, the government falls
2. Remove May. No time for a leadership election, so a quick coronation of yet another unelected PM. Enough factional fall-out from her fall to make people abstain, no deal for Arlene to back, the government falls

OR

3. Remove May. A coronation. Everyone pulls together to get the QS through. Government finds itself without a programme of government it can get through parliament or a version of Brexit that anyone supports. Government survives for now, but Brexit negotiations are swift and brutal - no deal
4. Leave May in place. Scrapes through the QS, and she goes off to Brussels to again be given a brutally swift reality check from the EU. And we are left with a Zombie PM only there because her running from residents in Kensington is the least worst option facing Tory MPs

Its going to be a fascinating weekend. There are going to be significant acres of coverage of Tory MPs saying this can't go on. If the Tories aren't unanimously backing May, the DUP won't rescue her. I think the QS is going ahead because the deal is dead.

Except the government will not fall on either option 1 or 2 unless Sinn Fein decides to vote with the LDs, Labour, SNP, Greens and Plaid against the government in which case the DUP will immediately fall in line behind the government as soon as they get wind of it.

3. Brexit negotiations will go on for at least 2 years minimum, though of course there will be no swift deal

4. Even if May stays she was the PM the public chose having won most votes and seats last week

Richard_Tyndall said:

tlg86 said:

kyf_100 said:

tlg86 said:

But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.

Ghastly? Yours for £1712 per calendar month...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-59885887.html

Crikey! So does that mean it was a mix of private and social tenants?

It's interesting, because when you see tower blocks you assume they're not particularly special on the inside.

It is worth actually looking at who made the decisions to have these renovations.

The building was controlled by the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation.

Who are they?

Well according to their website they are the 4,500 people who actually live in these council properties. Their board is made up of eight elected tenant and leaseholder members, four appointed Councillor members and three independent appointed other members. They are a non profit organisation and the board do not get paid for their work. Nor are they allowed to have any financial interest in any company that does work for them.

This is not some company setting out to profit from the council tenants. This IS the council tenants, or at least their representatives.

These are the people who decided to take over the running of their own homes so they could apply for grants to bring the properties up to the Decent Homes Standard.

Someone has made a big mistake here. No one denies that. But to try and claim this is anything to do with inequality or a lack of care is simply wrong and is very, very dumb.

So why do the BBC and Sky not report that. It is their duty to be balanced and not conduct a witch hunt as has been evidenced over the last few days

Big_G_NorthWales said:

spire2 said:

Isnt the problem that 60 hours into this nobody has taken responsibility? The afternoon after the manchester bombing his name was released and associates arrested. Same in the london bridge attack.

Have any documents been seized from anybody concerned with this even as a precaution? There could be shredders working overtime and disks being wped with some incriminating evidence

How can you arrest anyone without evidence

Just find a dozen rich residents and string them up from lampposts.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Mustafa Almansur: Who is the organiser of the Grenfell Tower protest movement?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/mustafa-almansur-organiser-grenfell-tower-protest-movement/

Finsbury park mosque spokesman back in the day, associates with terrorists and of course a big corbyn fan.

"He was subsequently released without charge and later claimed he had been detained because his fingerprints had been found on a book about Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), which belonged to a belonging to a Bosnian associate."

Happens to us all.

Andrew said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Mustafa Almansur: Who is the organiser of the Grenfell Tower protest movement?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/mustafa-almansur-organiser-grenfell-tower-protest-movement/

Finsbury park mosque spokesman back in the day, associates with terrorists and of course a big corbyn fan.

"He was subsequently released without charge and later claimed he had been detained because his fingerprints had been found on a book about Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), which belonged to a belonging to a Bosnian associate."

Happens to us all.

Personally I borrow my copy from the local library.....

isam said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Mustafa Almansur: Who is the organiser of the Grenfell Tower protest movement?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/mustafa-almansur-organiser-grenfell-tower-protest-movement/

Finsbury park mosque spokesman back in the day, associates with terrorists and of course a big corbyn fan.

The kindest thing we can say of the non Corbynite, non hard left that are egging on the disruption for cheap political purposes is that they know not what they do.

The SWP types know exactly what they're doing

Until the SWP get 13.7 million on the streets to overtake the 13.6 million who voted Tory last week we can ignore them

Utter bollocks Mike as per usual from you, just because the party you support lost again!

Theresa will be here in 5 years hope this site might have grown up by then!

Pulpstar said:

tlg86 said:

kyf_100 said:

tlg86 said:

But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.

Ghastly? Yours for £1712 per calendar month...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-59885887.html

Crikey! So does that mean it was a mix of private and social tenants?

It's interesting, because when you see tower blocks you assume they're not particularly special on the inside.

I'm not sure "richer" or luxury appartments are completely safe tbh !

Aren't all new apartments described as 'luxury' ?

What's the difference between a flat and an appartment?.....About £250k

Do you think smearing the demonstrators as a communist terrorist mob is part of the non-empathy story explaining why you guys are losing to, of all people, Jeremy Corbyn?

EPG said:

Do you think smearing the demonstrators as a communist terrorist mob is part of the non-empathy story explaining why you guys are losing to, of all people, Jeremy Corbyn?

Smearing? Chortle.

Remind me of the votes/seats split of last week's election?