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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,122
    calum said:

    Is that not Nigel Dodds cat Damien !!

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/874596004171059200

    Boris has sent Palmerston to oust Larry!
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Roger said:

    I don't know what Hard Berexit or Soft Brexit means. I don't want any sort of Brexit. My attachment to te EU is an emotional one born of a 48 year long relationship. I need to understand why Uber Tories are so desperate for a divorce when all I see is an EU that has been a stable and civilised partner who has always done its best in our common interest.

    I wish i could say the same of the right wing Tories who are foisting this on us. They've always been out for themselves and their own. They've seldon shown compassion or judgement. They have added sweet FA to the betterment of anyone. Infact the more I think about it the more I believe the DUP have found their spiritual home.

    :+1::+1: It is not often I agree with you Roger, but this is how I feel too.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    It's all part of the negotiating process/game. I am confident a deal will be done.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Jeremy Corbyn's many recent victories have shown him literally Napoleonic in status.As I cannot bear to consider all those horrid Tories in the next Con leader market,as his strength grows as an Atlas,it is worth looking at the next Labour leader market .My shortlist would be:no baggage,coming either from the 35 who originally nominated him in 2015 or the 40 who stood with him during the Chicken Coup 2016.Sadly that number no longer includes Jo Cox,Michael Meacher and Gerald Kaufman.Clive Lewis ticks the boxes at 10-1 but Sarah Champion,who also ticks the boxes,at 50-1 could be the long-term bet.Maybe the Labour party will decide it's time for a woman and she's had a good election.
    Stay strong and stable everyone.

    So Corbyn's going to be exiled to Elba?
    Only if he can get an EU visa post-Brexit.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113





    The spread of...outcomes is vast for a relatively small vote redistribution.

    Just like the referendum eh?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769

    The fact that Arlene Foster and Nigel Dodds have arrived at No 10 suggests that the deal is probably about to be finalised.

    Cash for errm "deprived" areas is surely the price - looks non NI specific but benefits Northern Ireland alot...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769





    The spread of...outcomes is vast for a relatively small vote redistribution.

    Just like the referendum eh?
    No, that is not correct - Remain were not a few thousand votes from winning.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    More good news this afternoon for some PB Tories ....

    HoC - 2:30pm - Election of Speaker .... :smiley:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    This would be the same John Major who relied on Ulster Unionist votes in the last months of his government?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,676
    What was Sean & williamglenn's bet again?
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Any news on Charlie Falconer?
  • PatrickPatrick Posts: 225
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Most of the Tories 13 million votes weren't out of any love for May, but the benefit of the doubt for economic competence. If that goes...

    Canvassing actually the main reason Tories lost votes was austerity and the dementia tax and of course Corbyn means full on socialism not Blairite economic competence
    We seem to be collectively abandoning the financial responsibility field:
    https://www.samizdata.net/2017/06/samizdata-quote-of-the-day-878/

    I'm not sure a democracy can survive the fact that Paul has more votes than Peter. The elctorate won't accept discipline. Certainly not if there is a whiff of unfairness. I think we are headed for a splurge, a bust and tears before bedtime. Poor UK.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    JackW said:

    More good news this afternoon for some PB Tories ....

    HoC - 2:30pm - Election of Speaker .... :smiley:

    It'll be awesome seeing Ken Clarke as Father of the House.
  • SirBenjaminSirBenjamin Posts: 238
    Most depressing PB editorial ever.

    I've helped out in Tooting for six elections in a row. Disheartening enough in itself without having salty shit rubbed into the wounds.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    If it hadn't been for Scotland, he would have been Prime Minister.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    Roger said:

    I don't know what Hard Berexit or Soft Brexit means. I don't want any sort of Brexit. My attachment to te EU is an emotional one born of a 48 year long relationship. I need to understand why Uber Tories are so desperate for a divorce when all I see is an EU that has been a stable and civilised partner who has always done its best in our common interest.

    I wish i could say the same of the right wing Tories who are foisting this on us. They've always been out for themselves and their own. They've seldon shown compassion or judgement. They have added sweet FA to the betterment of anyone. Infact the more I think about it the more I believe the DUP have found their spiritual home.

    I am married to a Bulgarian. I went to an international school. I love Majorca, France, and Switzerland, am amused by the Dutch sense of humour, admire the German work ethic and respect French obstinacy. I want an open, outward free-trading Britain in partnership with Europe.

    But, I also don't want to be obliged to be part of a political union that is heading inexorably towards federalism, and institutions that have failed to reform. I want to have the right to customise our regulatory regime, and take a balanced global and European view. I think it's perfectly possible for the UK to be a strong and successful nation independent of the EU, but trading freely and cooperating closely in matters of security and other regional challenges.

    I reject the caricatures on both sides. And I have no regrets about my vote.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,993
    Mr Major talking far more sense than he did as PM!


    UUP are cuddly loyalists!
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    HYUFD said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    This would be the same John Major who relied on Ulster Unionist votes in the last months of his government?
    Sister party MPs under Tory whip - now DUP holding the orange whip !
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    If it hadn't been for Scotland, he would have been Prime Minister.
    Really?

    Con 305
    Lab 255
    LD 8
    Oth 23

    Con maj 19.
  • Pulpstar said:





    The spread of...outcomes is vast for a relatively small vote redistribution.

    Just like the referendum eh?
    No, that is not correct - Remain were not a few thousand votes from winning.
    An extra thousand would have one Herts
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    calum said:

    HYUFD said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    This would be the same John Major who relied on Ulster Unionist votes in the last months of his government?
    Sister party MPs under Tory whip - now DUP holding the orange whip !
    The Orange vote just went from UUP then to DUP now
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Pulpstar said:





    The spread of...outcomes is vast for a relatively small vote redistribution.

    Just like the referendum eh?
    No, that is not correct - Remain were not a few thousand votes from winning.
    If the vote had gone the other way by the same martin would the levares have shared their shoulders and said lets acept the vote and gone away. No so why should remáis res have to do that. IIRI one nivel farage was already calling for another referéndum before he realised leave had won.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    If it hadn't been for Scotland, he would have been Prime Minister.
    Really?

    Con 305
    Lab 255
    LD 8
    Oth 23

    Con maj 19.
    Have you paid attention to the SNP for the last five years ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179
    TOPPING said:

    What was Sean & williamglenn's bet again?

    Whether we'll have left the EU by the end of 2019.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,676

    TOPPING said:

    What was Sean & williamglenn's bet again?

    Whether we'll have left the EU by the end of 2019.
    No need to lay that one off.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    If it hadn't been for Scotland, he would have been Prime Minister.
    Really?

    Con 305
    Lab 255
    LD 8
    Oth 23

    Con maj 19.
    I meant the Conservative outperformance in Scotland. If the Conservatives had got, say, 3 seats in Scotland instead of 13, the tally would have been something like:

    Con 308
    Lab 262
    SNP 45
    Lib Dem 12
    DUP 10
    Sinn Fein 7
    Plaid Cymru 4
    Green 1
    Lady Penelope 1

    Lab + SNP + PC + Green = 312

    I expect the Lib Dems could also be prevailed upon to give confidence and supply, taking Prime Minister Corbyn to 324 seats.
  • Pulpstar said:





    The spread of...outcomes is vast for a relatively small vote redistribution.

    Just like the referendum eh?
    No, that is not correct - Remain were not a few thousand votes from winning.
    An extra thousand would have one Herts
    Edit: won
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    When I voted to remain in the EEC in 1975, I thought it was to stay in the Common Market not become a resident of Hotel California
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,751

    TOPPING said:

    What was Sean & williamglenn's bet again?

    Whether we'll have left the EU by the end of 2019.
    Not that I'm saying you would or should, but it'd be interesting to see what'd happen if you offered a cash out.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    nichomar said:

    Pulpstar said:





    The spread of...outcomes is vast for a relatively small vote redistribution.

    Just like the referendum eh?
    No, that is not correct - Remain were not a few thousand votes from winning.
    If the vote had gone the other way by the same martin would the levares have shared their shoulders and said lets acept the vote and gone away. No so why should remáis res have to do that. IIRI one nivel farage was already calling for another referéndum before he realised leave had won.
    Leave won by almost twice as many votes as May beat Corbyn no less, and on a higher turnout.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,119

    And I have no regrets about my vote.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFtGfyruroU



    :D
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    edited June 2017
    I wonder who'd be more popular right now:

    Blair at a Momentum meeting, or Osborne at a Tory party meeting in the shires.
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    Pulpstar said:





    The spread of...outcomes is vast for a relatively small vote redistribution.

    Just like the referendum eh?
    No, that is not correct - Remain were not a few thousand votes from winning.
    Yeah yeah. "Overwhelming" I think is the spin.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,119

    When I voted to remain in the EEC in 1975, I thought it was to stay in the Common Market not become a resident of Hotel California

    LOL!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6S4O-VtZBI
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited June 2017

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.

    Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.

    Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
    And then in the reshuffle, they lost/fired the DExEu management team. Unbelievable.
    I have pointed out a number of times how woefully our Brexit team is prepared, and now it is reshuffled and possibly the directions from above have changed.

    On Monday the EU negotiators might as well go straight to adjournment pending our side deciding to field a team.

    It is going to be a farce.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    edited June 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    I wonder who'd be more popular right now:

    Blair at a momentum meeting, or Osborne at a Tory party meeting.

    At least the latter does not have to worry about the risk of the leader of his party trying to put him on trial for war crimes if they get elected
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,145

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
    Wow. That does surprise and saddened me. Very foolish.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
    Where did you read this? I suspect had internal polling been correct they would have wheeled out Major.
  • HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I wonder who'd be more popular right now:

    Blair at a momentum meeting, or Osborne at a Tory party meeting.

    At least the latter does not have to worry about the risk of the leader of his party trying to put him on trial for war crimes if they get elected
    It would be funny to see Blair claiming asylum somewhere to avoid a trip to the Hague
  • PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    If I were Mrs May, I would get Specialist Investigations to look at the ES's owner. Push back a little.
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    HYUFD said:

    calum said:

    HYUFD said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    This would be the same John Major who relied on Ulster Unionist votes in the last months of his government?
    Sister party MPs under Tory whip - now DUP holding the orange whip !
    The Orange vote just went from UUP then to DUP now
    Yes I note we now have these prats making quips about the future being orange. Yeah, you are not funny you reactionary twats. You are just embarrassing, for the country.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    felix said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
    Wow. That does surprise and saddened me. Very foolish.
    Theresa May wanted to own the result, and to be fair she does.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    felix said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
    Wow. That does surprise and saddened me. Very foolish.
    Theresa May wanted to own the result, and to be fair she does.
    image
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    I understand as a signal for when the Conservative Crackpot Coalition of Chaos with the DUP is finalized, Arlene has insisted that 10 Downing Street chimney should billow orange smoke ....
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    PAW said:

    If I were Mrs May, I would get Specialist Investigations to look at the ES's owner. Push back a little.

    A politician trying to silence a newspaper. That looks good...... not!
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    nichomar said:

    Pulpstar said:





    The spread of...outcomes is vast for a relatively small vote redistribution.

    Just like the referendum eh?
    No, that is not correct - Remain were not a few thousand votes from winning.
    If the vote had gone the other way by the same martin would the levares have shared their shoulders and said lets acept the vote and gone away. No so why should remáis res have to do that. IIRI one nivel farage was already calling for another referéndum before he realised leave had won.
    If the vote had gone the other way, the result would have been implemented and the losing side would then have been free to campaign for a new referendum...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,939
    As a tribute to the DUP:

    This Little-Pengelly went to market
    This Little-Pengelly stayed at home
    This Little-Pengelly had roast beef
    This Little-Pengelly had none
    And this Little-Pengelly went
    Never!, Never!, Never!, all the way home!

  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,286
    felix said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
    Wow. That does surprise and saddened me. Very foolish.
    Tim Ross wrote a brilliant tome about the 2015 campaigns and particularly the Tory one. Hope he or another journo does the same about this one. Did anything go right for the blues? I mean anything, even a microscopic, nugatory nugget? I guess not.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Pulpstar said:

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    If it hadn't been for Scotland, he would have been Prime Minister.
    Really?

    Con 305
    Lab 255
    LD 8
    Oth 23

    Con maj 19.
    Have you paid attention to the SNP for the last five years ?
    He said "if it hadn't been for Scotland", so I took Scotland out...
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Based on remain campaigner John Major's postbox! lolll

    No wonder May didn't use him.
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621

    If there's one common factor with Loyalism everywhere, it's their delicacy of wit and readiness with the mot juste.
    Could you just confine your moronic observations to Scottish politics ? Thanks.
    He's hurting.
    Ooh, a wee boys' pile in!
    Ooh - a bit o' a stooshie brewing...

  • Jeremy Corbyn's many recent victories have shown him literally Napoleonic in status.

    Napoleon fought sixty battles and lost five. Corbyn has fought one and lost it.

    Beware hubris.


  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    edited June 2017
    JohnO said:

    felix said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
    Wow. That does surprise and saddened me. Very foolish.
    Tim Ross wrote a brilliant tome about the 2015 campaigns and particularly the Tory one. Hope he or another journo does the same about this one. Did anything go right for the blues? I mean anything, even a microscopic, nugatory nugget? I guess not.
    Excluding Scotland, Mansfield, the Tories were targeting that one.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    Brom said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
    Where did you read this? I suspect had internal polling been correct they would have wheeled out Major.
    I heard it from a very reliable and impartial source.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    JohnO said:

    felix said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
    Wow. That does surprise and saddened me. Very foolish.
    Tim Ross wrote a brilliant tome about the 2015 campaigns and particularly the Tory one. Hope he or another journo does the same about this one. Did anything go right for the blues? I mean anything, even a microscopic, nugatory nugget? I guess not.
    Scotland.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767

    PAW said:

    If I were Mrs May, I would get Specialist Investigations to look at the ES's owner. Push back a little.

    A politician trying to silence a newspaper. That looks good...... not!
    Yes, as the left would never dream of being anti-newspaper...
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,286

    JohnO said:

    felix said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
    Wow. That does surprise and saddened me. Very foolish.
    Tim Ross wrote a brilliant tome about the 2015 campaigns and particularly the Tory one. Hope he or another journo does the same about this one. Did anything go right for the blues? I mean anything, even a microscopic, nugatory nugget? I guess not.
    Scotland.
    Lol. Um, apart from Scotland whose campaign was run by the lady who should have been PM.
  • PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    Beverley_C - well, ban foreign ownership of newspapers and TV stations - the Labour party would like that too.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited June 2017

    JohnO said:

    felix said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
    Wow. That does surprise and saddened me. Very foolish.
    Tim Ross wrote a brilliant tome about the 2015 campaigns and particularly the Tory one. Hope he or another journo does the same about this one. Did anything go right for the blues? I mean anything, even a microscopic, nugatory nugget? I guess not.
    Scotland.
    Indeed Ms Sturgeon is about the only person to have had a worse campaign than May. If there is another election she will drop a dozen more seats.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    edited June 2017

    JohnO said:

    felix said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
    Wow. That does surprise and saddened me. Very foolish.
    Tim Ross wrote a brilliant tome about the 2015 campaigns and particularly the Tory one. Hope he or another journo does the same about this one. Did anything go right for the blues? I mean anything, even a microscopic, nugatory nugget? I guess not.
    Scotland.
    The Lib Dem facing Southwest went well enough too. If the election was held today, St Ives, North Devon amongst others would be well at risk.
    Just Bath lost there for the blues (LD facing)
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    **** Outstanding Documentary Alert ****

    For those PBers who haven't seen it may I recommend to PBers Ken Burn's excellent series on the American Civil War. A repeat showing begins this afternoon at 3:10 on PBS America - widely available on many platforms.

  • roserees64roserees64 Posts: 251
    If the DUP is the answer then we are asking the wrong question in the 21st century.

    As there is no majority government, the Lords are free to vote down any motion that comes from the commons, the Salisbury convention does not apply in this situation.

    MAYhem indeed!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,725

    Jeremy Corbyn's many recent victories have shown him literally Napoleonic in status.As I cannot bear to consider all those horrid Tories in the next Con leader market,as his strength grows as an Atlas,it is worth looking at the next Labour leader market .My shortlist would be:no baggage,coming either from the 35 who originally nominated him in 2015 or the 40 who stood with him during the Chicken Coup 2016.Sadly that number no longer includes Jo Cox,Michael Meacher and Gerald Kaufman.Clive Lewis ticks the boxes at 10-1 but Sarah Champion,who also ticks the boxes,at 50-1 could be the long-term bet.Maybe the Labour party will decide it's time for a woman and she's had a good election.
    Stay strong and stable everyone.

    I'd have thought a woman was nailed on for next Labour leader?

    Unless Theresa manages to trash that brand as well, of course.
  • MaxPB said:

    tpfkar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    Has anyone told the Treasury yet?
    Michael Gove will be getting DEFRA to plant as many money trees as they can (as long as no immigrant labour is involved of course.)
    If the taps are being turned on for anything, it'll be for the NHS and to offer something to the 35-54 age group on homes/childcare costs, where the Tories are very worried.
    Something needs to be done on tuition fees too. Every year that passes will see another group of young people graduate with £40k debts and a lifelong grudge against the Conservatives.
    Yes, it's building up a lot of resentment among a key group that is usually fairly supportive of us (25-34 AB graduates).
    With inflation creeping up to 3% some people are going to be paying 6% interest on 5 figure loans. No chance of ever paying them off (unless you're wealthy and have the capital, of course)
    They are not expected to. You pay until you are 48, and then it ends, whether you've repaid it or not.

    If you're a high earner you can choose to pay it off early but you're not obliged.

    It's not a retail loan. It's a graduate tax.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    PAW said:

    Beverley_C - well, ban foreign ownership of newspapers and TV stations - the Labour party would like that too.

    Corbyn wouldn't, the RT and PressTV money would dry up...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

    Then I saw John Major's quotes...
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    HYUFD said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    This would be the same John Major who relied on Ulster Unionist votes in the last months of his government?
    You're trolling, surely. The DUP is a different kettle of fish.

    Major set out the anti-deal arguments very well. The fact that the Welsh, Geordies, etc. will be upset about Belfast getting extra sweeties is as significant an argument as the rest. And he's quite right when he says that a deal is probably not even necessary.

    I suppose May had a choice: a weak government that might survive five years, or a slightly weaker government that might not. The trouble is that the first option will put a significant and possible fatal dent in the Tories' electability.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,751
    Fluffy taking the pick and mix approach to parliamentary representation. A fairly high chance that it's his usual tin-eared dimness of course.

    https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/874595574665838592
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    If the election is called due to a collapse in the deal then who will be the first brave soul on here to tip up a Tory hold........ ?
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    As a tribute to the DUP:

    This Little-Pengelly went to market
    This Little-Pengelly stayed at home
    This Little-Pengelly had roast beef
    This Little-Pengelly had none
    And this Little-Pengelly went
    Never!, Never!, Never!, all the way home!

    NO SURRENDER
    NO SURRENDER
    NO SURRENDER
    TO THE DUP
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,188

    Pulpstar said:

    We'll start to see some real austerity when we leave the EU. Nevertheless that is what people voted for.

    True though Dan Hannan has already started to pin the blame on Corbyn

    https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/874567440298123264
    Someone once said Daniel Hannan is the Jehovah's Witness of euroscepticism. I think that's right. He is so absolute in his convictions that any messy reality has to be rejected as false. Most people seeing the smart young men with name badges, cross the street on approach ...
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.

    Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.

    Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
    And then in the reshuffle, they lost/fired the DExEu management team. Unbelievable.
    I have pointed out a number of times how woefully our Brexit team is prepared, and now it is reshuffled and possibly the directions from above have changed.

    On Monday the EU negotiators might as well go straight to adjournment pending our side deciding to field a team.

    It is going to be a farce.
    Yes. Yes it is.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    If it hadn't been for Scotland, he would have been Prime Minister.
    Really?

    Con 305
    Lab 255
    LD 8
    Oth 23

    Con maj 19.
    I meant the Conservative outperformance in Scotland.
    So if you exclude the part of the country where the Tories did best and assume they did worse there, they would have been worse off?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    JohnO said:

    felix said:

    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.

    Where was he during the campaign?
    Both Cameron and Major offered their services to Theresa May during the campaign.

    Both were rebuffed.
    Wow. That does surprise and saddened me. Very foolish.
    Tim Ross wrote a brilliant tome about the 2015 campaigns and particularly the Tory one. Hope he or another journo does the same about this one. Did anything go right for the blues? I mean anything, even a microscopic, nugatory nugget? I guess not.
    Cheer up JohnO .... there's always the last Hersham County Council Election result to reflect upon and the honours list to look forward to .... :smile:
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,725
    Brom said:

    Brom said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A majority of 100 seats would have given May a majority for hard Brexit and her backbenchers would have demanded it, a hung Parliament makes soft Brexiteers the majority
    I agree, soft Brexit is now very much on the cards. If it looks like it won't get delivered then there is every chance the public may turn their backs on the Tories and demand a hard brexit or nothing.
    Or they could demand no Brexit.
    The no Brexiters look likely to always be outnumbered by the leavers and accepting remainers. No Brexit is possible but remains more toxic for any of the political parties than delivering a hard brexit.
    Not after a second referendum in which the painful consequences, particularly for the economy, are becoming all too clear. Acceptance is easily lost in circumstances like that.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    Pulpstar said:

    If the election is called due to a collapse in the deal then who will be the first brave soul on here to tip up a Tory hold........ ?

    Kensington?....oh wiat...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    This!!!!!!

    @faisalislam: 730 days to negotiate Brexit, ambitious for exit deal alone. Government tho wanted entire Free Trade Deal. 77 days gone with no negotiation.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    If it hadn't been for Scotland, he would have been Prime Minister.
    Really?

    Con 305
    Lab 255
    LD 8
    Oth 23

    Con maj 19.
    I meant the Conservative outperformance in Scotland.
    So if you exclude the part of the country where the Tories did best and assume they did worse there, they would have been worse off?
    At the point that I posted that Jeremy Corbyn should now be favourite to be the next PM, no results from Scotland had come through.

    I realise that you are doing your best to pick an argument (which I have no interest in) but I was trying to draw attention to just how important that Scottish outperformance was.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    Pulpstar said:

    If the election is called due to a collapse in the deal then who will be the first brave soul on here to tip up a Tory hold........ ?

    All the Scottish seats.
  • trawltrawl Posts: 142
    Urrrgh Major wheeled out. That's John - too scared to put Maastricht to a referendum - Major.
    We need to think about the 48%, after all the 52% weren't all voting about the EU. And that old old Europhile line; Europe doesn't matter to people, it's well down their list of priorities. The lie used for years to deny people a say on whether they were to be in political union - and blown out of the water by the 17 million in 2016.
    Jesus.


    Rant over. Totally unrelated, The Times reports Premier League now considering Sat night live fixtures. They really really don't care about the fans who actually go games do they?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited June 2017
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,389

    MaxPB said:

    tpfkar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    Has anyone told the Treasury yet?
    Michael Gove will be getting DEFRA to plant as many money trees as they can (as long as no immigrant labour is involved of course.)
    If the taps are being turned on for anything, it'll be for the NHS and to offer something to the 35-54 age group on homes/childcare costs, where the Tories are very worried.
    Something needs to be done on tuition fees too. Every year that passes will see another group of young people graduate with £40k debts and a lifelong grudge against the Conservatives.
    Yes, it's building up a lot of resentment among a key group that is usually fairly supportive of us (25-34 AB graduates).
    With inflation creeping up to 3% some people are going to be paying 6% interest on 5 figure loans. No chance of ever paying them off (unless you're wealthy and have the capital, of course)
    They are not expected to. You pay until you are 48, and then it ends, whether you've repaid it or not.

    If you're a high earner you can choose to pay it off early but you're not obliged.

    It's not a retail loan. It's a graduate tax.
    Yes, I'm aware how the payments work (though it's actually 30 years after graduation so until 51/52 for most people). That's most of your career spent paying an additional 9% tax. Plus every year you get a statement showing the debt increasing by £000s. It's terrible optics
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,389
    edited June 2017
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  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.

    Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.

    Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
    No, Remoaners were people who wanted to re run the referendum or fiilibuster BRexit
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,725
    The airwaves, the press and PB are full of Tories pleadingly telling Labour what its policy on Brexit is. I cannot see how this will end happily for them?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,188
    trawl said:

    Urrrgh Major wheeled out. That's John - too scared to put Maastricht to a referendum - Major.
    We need to think about the 48%, after all the 52% weren't all voting about the EU. And that old old Europhile line; Europe doesn't matter to people, it's well down their list of priorities. The lie used for years to deny people a say on whether they were to be in political union - and blown out of the water by the 17 million in 2016.
    Jesus.


    Rant over. Totally unrelated, The Times reports Premier League now considering Sat night live fixtures. They really really don't care about the fans who actually go games do they?

    I don't expect the ranting to stop any time soon. One thing obvious to me about the 2016 referendum - it wasn't going to resolve anything.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    isam said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.

    Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.

    Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
    No, Remoaners were people who wanted to re run the referendum or fiilibuster BRexit
    I don't recall such definitional niceties. I have never wanted to rerun the referendum or filibuster Brexit and have frequently been called a Remoaner.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188

    isam said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.

    Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.

    Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
    No, Remoaners were people who wanted to re run the referendum or fiilibuster BRexit
    I don't recall such definitional niceties. I have never wanted to rerun the referendum or filibuster Brexit and have frequently been called a Remoaner.
    Ditto.
  • Two things to remember, firstly this wasn't a Corbyn manifesto - it didn't properly address immigration, it was pro-Trident and it didn't promise to undo the Tory benefits cuts..

    Secondly they came nowhere near to winning a majority.

    Labour's problems will re-surface when the left assert that in order to win a majority the policies need to be more radical and the Blairites claim they need to be less radical.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,725
    isam said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.

    Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.

    Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
    No, Remoaners were people who wanted to re run the referendum or fiilibuster BRexit
    You have to admire our cunning plan to *sneak* a Remain sleeper into No. 10 to call a General Election and destroy the Government's majority?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    Theresa May, the Gerald Ratner of the Tory party?

    Discuss.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited June 2017

    Theresa May, the Gerald Ratner of the Tory party?

    Discuss.

    Yes.

    Discussion complete.

    Next Topic please :D
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769

    Pulpstar said:

    If the election is called due to a collapse in the deal then who will be the first brave soul on here to tip up a Tory hold........ ?

    Kensington?....oh wiat...
    IDS would be under severe pressure I think
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