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“Can I have one of those”, said a young woman as I was walking along the road with a bundle of leaflets in my south London constituency. She was on her way home to collect her boyfriend before going to vote. She was having trouble deciding how to vote. “Is there anything in particular that is worrying you”, I asked. “I’m worried about terrorist attacks. I’m not sure that Labour can tackle it.”

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488
    Indeed.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,261
    2nd - like the DUP.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Worth reading Hugo Rifkind in the Times

    Corbyn improved in the campaign because his detractors were right, and he listened to them (unlike Tezza)
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,261
    From past thread - social care:

    As I understand it, not all councils are following the Care Act to the letter. It is a lottery.

    People end up taking them to Court to block sales of houses before death.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    We'll start to see some real austerity when we leave the EU. Nevertheless that is what people voted for.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    edited June 2017
    Didn't most Labour candidates leave Jezza off their literature?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    I think the DUP and some Tory backbenchers will ensure austerity is at least watered down. As for Corbyn by 2022 I think there is a real chance he will be PM and Sanders will be US President if they can hold their current poll leads
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488
    Pulpstar said:

    We'll start to see some real austerity when we leave the EU. Nevertheless that is what people voted for.

    True though Dan Hannan has already started to pin the blame on Corbyn

    https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/874567440298123264
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Pulpstar said:

    We'll start to see some real austerity when we leave the EU. Nevertheless that is what people voted for.

    The softer the Brexit the less the austerity and the hung parliament makes a softer Brexit more likely
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited June 2017
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    We'll start to see some real austerity when we leave the EU. Nevertheless that is what people voted for.

    The softer the Brexit the less the austerity and the hung parliament makes a softer Brexit more likely
    I'm not sure that is correct as per Nabavi's analysis. I'm sure he'd be delighted to be wrong.
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,548
    Interesting article - but I think the Tory teller may be identifiable from what you've written here, and could get in trouble. Is it really diplomatic to post something shared with you in confidence like this?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    FPT - I think London's Jews in Hendon, Finchley, and Harrow West also helped as well as Ruth Davidson. There's probably about 12 seats that stayed Tory, or went Tory, there I wouldn't have otherwise expected given the national result.

    Conversely, CCHQ focussing on targets 30+ down the Labour defence list with their slightly faulty intell might have cost them up to a dozen marginals in defence due to misallocated resource, and a handful of much easier Labour gains, of which they did achieve five.

    The Conservatives could have ended at this election with anything from 290 seats to 335 seats *without changing virtually anything else*.

    At one end you'd have Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister with SNP support (shudder). At the other, a chastened TM, with a similar majority to DC, and a firm lesson from the electorate, but also a majority of 20 to ride out the parliament.

    The spread of seat totals and outcomes is vast for a relatively small vote redistribution.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    We'll start to see some real austerity when we leave the EU. Nevertheless that is what people voted for.

    The softer the Brexit the less the austerity and the hung parliament makes a softer Brexit more likely
    I'm not sure that is correct as per Nabavi's analysis. I'm sure he'd be delighted to be wrong.
    That is the likelihood, of course if Corbyn and Sanders get in never mind austerity it will be full on socialism
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    McDonnell to celebrate election result at Cuba Solidarity Party
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/874584323088953345
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Scott_P said:

    Worth reading Hugo Rifkind in the Times

    Corbyn improved in the campaign because his detractors were right, and he listened to them (unlike Tezza)

    Yes, it's rather amusing. He's abandoned most of his long-standing 'principles' in order to try to get elected. Whether that is a cynical move, or a genuine appreciation - rather late in life - of the reality of the hard decisions involved in government is currently very unclear. But I think it probably means his support will ebb away as it slowly dawns on people that he's just another politician.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited June 2017
    Scott_P said:

    Worth reading Hugo Rifkind in the Times

    Corbyn improved in the campaign because his detractors were right, and he listened to them (unlike Tezza)

    Hogwash. May U turned in the face of criticism while Corbyn stuck to his guns.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341

    FPT - I think London's Jews in Hendon, Finchley, and Harrow West also helped as well as Ruth Davidson. There's probably about 12 seats that stayed Tory, or went Tory, there I wouldn't have otherwise expected given the national result.

    Conversely, CCHQ focussing on targets 30+ down the Labour defence list with their slightly faulty intell might have cost them up to a dozen marginals in defence due to misallocated resource, and a handful of much easier Labour gains, of which they did achieve five.

    The Conservatives could have ended at this election with anything from 290 seats to 335 seats *without changing virtually anything else*.

    At one end you'd have Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister with SNP support (shudder). At the other, a chastened TM, with a similar majority to DC, and a firm lesson from the electorate, but also a majority of 20 to ride out the parliament.

    The spread of seat totals and outcomes is vast for a relatively small vote redistribution.

    Which is why FPTP is so absurd. The outcome is almost random
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    LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    Can someone please tell me why Brexit Minister, David Jones has gone? I found him quite impressive. A serious minister and always on top of his brief. I'm not a fan of David Davis but he seemed equally as good but his sometimes laddish and jokey behaviour whilst sitting on the front bench got on my nerves.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    Corbyn got very very close.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    Pulpstar said:

    We'll start to see some real austerity when we leave the EU. Nevertheless that is what people voted for.

    We've already had real austerity. The EU issue is mainly uncertainty at the moment, and a temporarily depreciated pound. The economic impact of EEA-EFTA, for example, is negligible.

    I don't buy the doom-mongering, nor that our EU membership is the UK's only lifeline.

    That's lobbying designed to try and prevent Brexit before it takes place.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395

    FPT - I think London's Jews in Hendon, Finchley, and Harrow West also helped as well as Ruth Davidson. There's probably about 12 seats that stayed Tory, or went Tory, there I wouldn't have otherwise expected given the national result.

    Conversely, CCHQ focussing on targets 30+ down the Labour defence list with their slightly faulty intell might have cost them up to a dozen marginals in defence due to misallocated resource, and a handful of much easier Labour gains, of which they did achieve five.

    The Conservatives could have ended at this election with anything from 290 seats to 335 seats *without changing virtually anything else*.

    At one end you'd have Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister with SNP support (shudder). At the other, a chastened TM, with a similar majority to DC, and a firm lesson from the electorate, but also a majority of 20 to ride out the parliament.

    The spread of seat totals and outcomes is vast for a relatively small vote redistribution.

    Which is why FPTP is so absurd. The outcome is almost random
    It's a broader range when it's a straight two party fight nationally, and the national vote tallies are close.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    I'm not sure if we still do awards for poster of the year or whatever but if we do there should definitely be a category for "most elegantly executed u-turn".
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Pulpstar said:

    We'll start to see some real austerity when we leave the EU. Nevertheless that is what people voted for.

    True though Dan Hannan has already started to pin the blame on Corbyn

    https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/874567440298123264
    I can't tell if he is delusional or mercenarily cynical.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,261
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    Has anyone told the Treasury yet?
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Battier and battier.
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,548

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    Has anyone told the Treasury yet?
    Michael Gove will be getting DEFRA to plant as many money trees as they can (as long as no immigrant labour is involved of course.)
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    edited June 2017
    isam said:

    Didn't most Labour candidates leave Jezza off their literature?

    Also Scottish and Welsh Labour both did very well running fairly independent campaigns, so it wasn't just a Corbyn effect.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Most of the Tories 13 million votes weren't out of any love for May, but the benefit of the doubt for economic competence. If that goes...
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    I'm not sure if we still do awards for poster of the year or whatever but if we do there should definitely be a category for "most elegantly executed u-turn".
    I got GE2015 wrong, Brexit wrong, Trump wrong, and GE2017 wrong.

    No-one should listen to a word I say.

    Although, in my defence, most of those were by small-ish margins (Tories largest party, 52%-48% to Remain!, Hillary narrowly by carrying Ohio/Penns, and GE2017 at 345 Con seats - well, until I got greedy and flipped to a big majority of 80-100 on the day, and lost a packet)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Corbyn stuck to his guns.

    He really didn't

    Once electability became his problem, though, he seems to have picked up a taste for it. On the stump, a lifetime’s commitment to unilateral nuclear disarmament (even as a vice-chairman of CND), retreated last year to “I wouldn’t personally use them” and last month, quite astonishingly, to something more like, “I certainly wouldn’t use them first”. Greenham Common it ain’t. More striking still was his response to the London Bridge attack, where having previously quite explicitly opposed a police shoot-to-kill policy, pretty much for ever, he now found himself explicitly supporting one. It was as if he had realised, finally, that to achieve broad electoral support you need to make the odd concession. “Took you long enough, Grandpa,” a generation of Blairites might have said.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/it-was-corbyn-s-flip-flopping-that-saved-him-0cbbsf857
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    She's trying to replicate Greece. Before long Varoufakis will be on the Brexit negotiating team.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    Pulpstar said:

    Most of the Tories 13 million votes weren't out of any love for May, but the benefit of the doubt for economic competence. If that goes...

    It could just be rhetoric.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,825
    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,825
    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Hard to see Hammond letting rip with the public finances?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    tpfkar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    Has anyone told the Treasury yet?
    Michael Gove will be getting DEFRA to plant as many money trees as they can (as long as no immigrant labour is involved of course.)
    If the taps are being turned on for anything, it'll be for the NHS and to offer something to the 35-54 age group on homes/childcare costs, where the Tories are very worried.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079
    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,633

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    She's trying to replicate Greece. Before long Varoufakis will be on the Brexit negotiating team.
    If only...
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,145
    edited June 2017
    If there's a common factor with Loyalism everywhere, it's their delicacy of wit and readiness with the mot juste.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Artist said:

    isam said:

    Didn't most Labour candidates leave Jezza off their literature?

    Also Scottish and Welsh Labour both did very well running fairly independent campaigns, so it wasn't just a Corbyn effect.
    They could have won more seats. In Scotland, the Labour vote did not increase much. Unlike England, where it went up 10%.
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    PeterMannionPeterMannion Posts: 712

    If there's one common factor with Loyalism everywhere, it's their delicacy of wit and readiness with the mot juste.
    Indeed, I wouldn't have spotted the reference if Paisley hadn't (subtlety) hammered it home!
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,825

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    If there's one common factor with Loyalism everywhere, it's their delicacy of wit and readiness with the mot juste.
    Could you just confine your moronic observations to Scottish politics ? Thanks.
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    Clown_Car_HQClown_Car_HQ Posts: 169
    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Hard to see Hammond letting rip with the public finances?
    From Spreadsheet Phil to Splurge Gun Phil.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    I can't wait to see the cartoon with Theresa in Arlene's pocket.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395

    If there's one common factor with Loyalism everywhere, it's their delicacy of wit and readiness with the mot juste.
    Could you just confine your moronic observations to Scottish politics ? Thanks.
    He's hurting.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,145

    If there's one common factor with Loyalism everywhere, it's their delicacy of wit and readiness with the mot juste.
    Could you just confine your moronic observations to Scottish politics ? Thanks.
    You are my model for indiscriminate munificence with moronic commentary.
    A long way to go, but try, try & try again!
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Of course we're leaving, but how we leave is a complex situation with lots of options at lots of levels. I for one would rather like to hear what the government thinks on at least some of those options, they've only had a year to prepare.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    I'm not sure if we still do awards for poster of the year or whatever but if we do there should definitely be a category for "most elegantly executed u-turn".
    I got GE2015 wrong, Brexit wrong, Trump wrong, and GE2017 wrong.

    No-one should listen to a word I say.

    Although, in my defence, most of those were by small-ish margins (Tories largest party, 52%-48% to Remain!, Hillary narrowly by carrying Ohio/Penns, and GE2017 at 345 Con seats - well, until I got greedy and flipped to a big majority of 80-100 on the day, and lost a packet)
    Me too, although 2017 was wrongest. On all the other ones the actual outcome was well within the range of what I thought were plausible outcomes, whereas 2017 was like, whoa???

    Anyhow like I've said before the impressive thing about the most effective bettors on this site isn't how much they're right, it's how swiftly and gracefully they reverse themselves when they're wrong.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    We'll start to see some real austerity when we leave the EU. Nevertheless that is what people voted for.

    True though Dan Hannan has already started to pin the blame on Corbyn

    https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/874567440298123264
    I can't tell if he is delusional or mercenarily cynical.
    This wins for most deluded/cynical/ironic comment of the day

    https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/874550607180378112

    All I can say is I hope the Tory party doesn't shows Theresa May the same loyalty Nadine Dorries showed David Cameron
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,721
    surbiton said:

    I can't wait to see the cartoon with Theresa in Arlene's pocket.

    They must be waiting to see if it IS Theresa.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,145
    edited June 2017

    If there's one common factor with Loyalism everywhere, it's their delicacy of wit and readiness with the mot juste.
    Could you just confine your moronic observations to Scottish politics ? Thanks.
    He's hurting.
    Ooh, a wee boys' pile in!
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,309
    edited June 2017
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Can't remember the Remainers getting involved. Surely the hard/soft Brexit distinction represented the schism within the British euro-sceptic movement - between the alphabet soup EEA/EFTA/ECJ crowd and the anglophone EMPIRE II lot.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited June 2017

    If there's one common factor with Loyalism everywhere, it's their delicacy of wit and readiness with the mot juste.
    Could you just confine your moronic observations to Scottish politics ? Thanks.
    You are my model for indiscriminate munificence with moronic commentary.
    A long way to go, but try, try & try again!
    Your crude sectarian views are the opposite of indiscriminant.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,721
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    But there is a world of difference between the possible Brexits.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Can't remember the Leavers getting involved. Surely the hard/soft Brexit distinction represented the schism within the British euro-sceptic movement - between the alphabet soup EEA/EFTA/ECJ crowd and the anglophone EMPIRE II lot.
    Alphabet soup Brexit and Empire II Brexit are not mutually exclusive!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.

    Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.

    Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
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    BigIanBigIan Posts: 198

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    I thought he just posted that he was favourite, as in shortest odds on Betfair.

    Brown stripe moment for me too.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,721
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    Would those be the Magic Money taps?
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    edited June 2017
    Jeremy Corbyn's many recent victories have shown him literally Napoleonic in status.As I cannot bear to consider all those horrid Tories in the next Con leader market,as his strength grows as an Atlas,it is worth looking at the next Labour leader market .My shortlist would be:no baggage,coming either from the 35 who originally nominated him in 2015 or the 40 who stood with him during the Chicken Coup 2016.Sadly that number no longer includes Jo Cox,Michael Meacher and Gerald Kaufman.Clive Lewis ticks the boxes at 10-1 but Sarah Champion,who also ticks the boxes,at 50-1 could be the long-term bet.Maybe the Labour party will decide it's time for a woman and she's had a good election.
    Stay strong and stable everyone.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488
    From the political editor of The Sun.

    @tnewtondunn: Latest: I understand that a deal with the DUP today is by no means guaranteed. Quite a bit of hard ball is being played.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Hard to see Hammond letting rip with the public finances?
    Maybe not but with the DUP demanding an easing of austerity he will have no choice but to ease up on it
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488
    edited June 2017
    BigIan said:

    The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.

    My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.

    I thought he just posted that he was favourite, as in shortest odds on Betfair.

    Brown stripe moment for me too.
    Yup

    I posted this at 1.18am on election night.

    If you’re not mentally prepared for Corbyn as Prime Minister, then you should be.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/06/09/if-youre-not-mentally-prepared-for-corbyn-as-prime-minister-then-you-should-be/
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Quincel said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Of course we're leaving, but how we leave is a complex situation with lots of options at lots of levels. I for one would rather like to hear what the government thinks on at least some of those options, they've only had a year to prepare.
    When people finally see what "leave" actually means, I am not sure they will have the stomach for that.

    After all, even on last year's results, it only needs a 2% swing for Remain to get ahead. I have the feeling now that Remain is now ahead.

    What happens if polls start showing Remain 10% ahead. A head of steam is building already.
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    "And the great joy of a British General Election is that the broadcasters give equal time to the parties."

    Just a bit cynical there, aren`t you, Mr Brind?
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.

    Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.

    Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
    You still are remoaners. Attempting to obstruct a referendum decision isn't the most helpful way to ensure a smooth Brexit. Ultimately this is David Cameron's legacy, if his negotiation skills were anywhere near as good as his spin then he could have given the public a convincing argument to stay.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488

    Jeremy Corbyn's many recent victories have shown him literally Napoleonic in status.As I cannot bear to consider all those horrid Tories in the next Con leader market,as his strength grows as an Atlas,it is worth looking at the next Labour leader market .My shortlist would be:no baggage,coming either from the 35 who originally nominated him in 2015 or the 40 who stood with him during the Chicken Coup 2016.Sadly that number no longer includes Jo Cox,Michael Meacher and Gerald Kaufman.Clive Lewis ticks the boxes at 10-1 but Sarah Champion,who also ticks the boxes,at 50-1 could be the long-term bet.Maybe the Labour party will decide it's time for a woman and she's had a good election.
    Stay strong and stable everyone.

    So Corbyn's going to be exiled to Elba?
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341

    tpfkar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    Has anyone told the Treasury yet?
    Michael Gove will be getting DEFRA to plant as many money trees as they can (as long as no immigrant labour is involved of course.)
    If the taps are being turned on for anything, it'll be for the NHS and to offer something to the 35-54 age group on homes/childcare costs, where the Tories are very worried.
    Something needs to be done on tuition fees too. Every year that passes will see another group of young people graduate with £40k debts and a lifelong grudge against the Conservatives.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A majority of 100 seats would have given May a majority for hard Brexit and her backbenchers would have demanded it, a hung Parliament makes soft Brexiteers the majority
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    surbiton said:

    Quincel said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Of course we're leaving, but how we leave is a complex situation with lots of options at lots of levels. I for one would rather like to hear what the government thinks on at least some of those options, they've only had a year to prepare.
    When people finally see what "leave" actually means, I am not sure they will have the stomach for that.

    After all, even on last year's results, it only needs a 2% swing for Remain to get ahead. I have the feeling now that Remain is now ahead.

    What happens if polls start showing Remain 10% ahead. A head of steam is building already.
    Polls are not conducted in your head sadly. Everything the tracker has shown is within the MOE with mostly leads for leave. Wait until the EU try and play hardball and leak private meetings and we'll see which side the British public take.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    tpfkar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    Has anyone told the Treasury yet?
    Michael Gove will be getting DEFRA to plant as many money trees as they can (as long as no immigrant labour is involved of course.)
    If the taps are being turned on for anything, it'll be for the NHS and to offer something to the 35-54 age group on homes/childcare costs, where the Tories are very worried.
    Something needs to be done on tuition fees too. Every year that passes will see another group of young people graduate with £40k debts and a lifelong grudge against the Conservatives.
    A bomb that went off first in the Lib Dem faces then afterwards in Tory faces.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488
    Brom said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.

    Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.

    Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
    You still are remoaners. Attempting to obstruct a referendum decision isn't the most helpful way to ensure a smooth Brexit. Ultimately this is David Cameron's legacy, if his negotiation skills were anywhere near as good as his spin then he could have given the public a convincing argument to stay.
    Don't be silly, we're not trying to obstruct it, we're making sure it is as seamless and smooth as possible.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,145

    From the political editor of The Sun.

    @tnewtondunn: Latest: I understand that a deal with the DUP today is by no means guaranteed. Quite a bit of hard ball is being played.


    Is it the line dancing line in the sand?

    https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/874585234972520448
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Is that not Nigel Dodds cat Damien !!

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/874596004171059200
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A majority of 100 seats would have given May a majority for hard Brexit and her backbenchers would have demanded it, a hung Parliament makes soft Brexiteers the majority
    I agree, soft Brexit is now very much on the cards. If it looks like it won't get delivered then there is every chance the public may turn their backs on the Tories and demand a hard brexit or nothing.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    tpfkar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    Has anyone told the Treasury yet?
    Michael Gove will be getting DEFRA to plant as many money trees as they can (as long as no immigrant labour is involved of course.)
    If the taps are being turned on for anything, it'll be for the NHS and to offer something to the 35-54 age group on homes/childcare costs, where the Tories are very worried.
    Something needs to be done on tuition fees too. Every year that passes will see another group of young people graduate with £40k debts and a lifelong grudge against the Conservatives.
    Yes, it's building up a lot of resentment among a key group that is usually fairly supportive of us (25-34 AB graduates).
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    edited June 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    Most of the Tories 13 million votes weren't out of any love for May, but the benefit of the doubt for economic competence. If that goes...

    Canvassing actually the main reason Tories lost votes was austerity and the dementia tax and of course Corbyn means full on socialism not Blairite economic competence
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Also glad to see that we're talking to Labour about Brexit. We don't have that mandate to do it alone so we need to reach out to all the major parties. We are now in a Brexit by committee processx the sooner the party gets on board the better off we will be.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,721
    Brom said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A majority of 100 seats would have given May a majority for hard Brexit and her backbenchers would have demanded it, a hung Parliament makes soft Brexiteers the majority
    I agree, soft Brexit is now very much on the cards. If it looks like it won't get delivered then there is every chance the public may turn their backs on the Tories and demand a hard brexit or nothing.
    Or they could demand no Brexit.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Jeremy Corbyn's many recent victories have shown him literally Napoleonic in status.As I cannot bear to consider all those horrid Tories in the next Con leader market,as his strength grows as an Atlas,it is worth looking at the next Labour leader market .My shortlist would be:no baggage,coming either from the 35 who originally nominated him in 2015 or the 40 who stood with him during the Chicken Coup 2016.Sadly that number no longer includes Jo Cox,Michael Meacher and Gerald Kaufman.Clive Lewis ticks the boxes at 10-1 but Sarah Champion,who also ticks the boxes,at 50-1 could be the long-term bet.Maybe the Labour party will decide it's time for a woman and she's had a good election.
    Stay strong and stable everyone.

    It won't be Sarah Champion, she does not have the intellect and arguably has done little to clean up the Rotherham abuse debacle. Clive Lewis is an interesting candidate, on one hand he ticks all the boxes regarding background, ethnicity and centre left position, but I also think he has that Michael Howard 'something of the night' quality that may be off-putting to voters.
    10/1 does seem good odds when you consider the likes of Burgon and Bailey-Long are inferior products.
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,548

    tpfkar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    Has anyone told the Treasury yet?
    Michael Gove will be getting DEFRA to plant as many money trees as they can (as long as no immigrant labour is involved of course.)
    If the taps are being turned on for anything, it'll be for the NHS and to offer something to the 35-54 age group on homes/childcare costs, where the Tories are very worried.
    Something needs to be done on tuition fees too. Every year that passes will see another group of young people graduate with £40k debts and a lifelong grudge against the Conservatives.
    Agree on both points. For me these are higher priorities than coal for old millionaires and triple-locked pensions.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    The Tories need to accept the DUP thumbscrews I'm afraid. A practice run for EU negotiations.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    MaxPB said:

    tpfkar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    'After 7 years austerity is over' May will tell Tories reports the Times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/austerity-is-over-may-tells-tories-vvhrjk0tj

    Turn on the money taps !
    Has anyone told the Treasury yet?
    Michael Gove will be getting DEFRA to plant as many money trees as they can (as long as no immigrant labour is involved of course.)
    If the taps are being turned on for anything, it'll be for the NHS and to offer something to the 35-54 age group on homes/childcare costs, where the Tories are very worried.
    Something needs to be done on tuition fees too. Every year that passes will see another group of young people graduate with £40k debts and a lifelong grudge against the Conservatives.
    Yes, it's building up a lot of resentment among a key group that is usually fairly supportive of us (25-34 AB graduates).
    With inflation creeping up to 3% some people are going to be paying 6% interest on 5 figure loans. No chance of ever paying them off (unless you're wealthy and have the capital, of course)
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.

    Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.

    Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
    And then in the reshuffle, they lost/fired the DExEu management team. Unbelievable.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Brom said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A majority of 100 seats would have given May a majority for hard Brexit and her backbenchers would have demanded it, a hung Parliament makes soft Brexiteers the majority
    I agree, soft Brexit is now very much on the cards. If it looks like it won't get delivered then there is every chance the public may turn their backs on the Tories and demand a hard brexit or nothing.
    Or they could demand no Brexit.
    The no Brexiters look likely to always be outnumbered by the leavers and accepting remainers. No Brexit is possible but remains more toxic for any of the political parties than delivering a hard brexit.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    I don't know what Hard Berexit or Soft Brexit means. I don't want any sort of Brexit. My attachment to te EU is an emotional one born of a 48 year long relationship. I need to understand why Uber Tories are so desperate for a divorce when all I see is an EU that has been a stable and civilised partner who has always done its best in our common interest.

    I wish i could say the same of the right wing Tories who are foisting this on us. They've always been out for themselves and their own. They've seldon shown compassion or judgement. They have added sweet FA to the betterment of anyone. Infact the more I think about it the more I believe the DUP have found their spiritual home.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,721
    Brom said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.

    Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.

    Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
    You still are remoaners. Attempting to obstruct a referendum decision isn't the most helpful way to ensure a smooth Brexit. Ultimately this is David Cameron's legacy, if his negotiation skills were anywhere near as good as his spin then he could have given the public a convincing argument to stay.
    Say £360Million/week to the NHS if we stay?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395

    From the political editor of The Sun.

    @tnewtondunn: Latest: I understand that a deal with the DUP today is by no means guaranteed. Quite a bit of hard ball is being played.

    Ah, fuck it.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488

    From the political editor of The Sun.

    @tnewtondunn: Latest: I understand that a deal with the DUP today is by no means guaranteed. Quite a bit of hard ball is being played.


    Is it the line dancing line in the sand?

    https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/874585234972520448
    One of my colleagues has pointed out the DUP aren't keen on chaps that wear red shoes.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    The fact that Arlene Foster and Nigel Dodds have arrived at No 10 suggests that the deal is probably about to be finalised.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    edited June 2017

    Brom said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.

    Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.

    Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
    You still are remoaners. Attempting to obstruct a referendum decision isn't the most helpful way to ensure a smooth Brexit. Ultimately this is David Cameron's legacy, if his negotiation skills were anywhere near as good as his spin then he could have given the public a convincing argument to stay.
    Say £360Million/week to the NHS if we stay?
    Maybe that we'd avoid World War 3, recession within months and we'd not hit the highest levels for unemployment in my lifetime. Guess that might have worked :)
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;

    http://news.sky.com/story/michel-barnier-warns-uk-it-faces-cliff-edge-no-deal-brexit-10913909

    A wake up call for some:

    However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
    Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.

    We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
    But there is a world of difference between the possible Brexits.
    What Brexits? You mean Brexit. SIngular, not plural.

    We pay our bills and then out we go on WTO terms.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,229
    John Major clearly not convinced by the DUP deal. Very concerned by impartially issue! On WATO now.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,145

    From the political editor of The Sun.

    @tnewtondunn: Latest: I understand that a deal with the DUP today is by no means guaranteed. Quite a bit of hard ball is being played.


    Is it the line dancing line in the sand?

    https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/874585234972520448
    One of my colleagues has pointed out the DUP aren't keen on chaps that wear red shoes.
    Or indeed chaps that wear chaps. It's a very long list.
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