Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;
However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.
We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.
Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.
Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
No, Remoaners were people who wanted to re run the referendum or fiilibuster BRexit
And what is wrong with that? If the result had been the other way Leavers would have done the same.
Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;
However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.
We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.
Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.
Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
No, Remoaners were people who wanted to re run the referendum or fiilibuster BRexit
I don't recall such definitional niceties. I have never wanted to rerun the referendum or filibuster Brexit and have frequently been called a Remoaner.
Maybe calling everyone who voted Leave a c*nt could be a third category!
If the election is called due to a collapse in the deal then who will be the first brave soul on here to tip up a Tory hold........ ?
I think a second snap election now could only be with a new Tory leader, probably crowning Boris or Davis.
In the absence of any other evidence I'd expect them to lose 50-60 seats to Labour, and Corbyn to be on the cusp of majority and in a position to form a coalition with the SNP.
Which is exactly why the Tories would hold their seats in Scotland because the price of that coalition would obviously be indyref2.
There is no stability to be gained from it. Quite the opposite, and it would waste more time.
Michael Gove will be getting DEFRA to plant as many money trees as they can (as long as no immigrant labour is involved of course.)
If the taps are being turned on for anything, it'll be for the NHS and to offer something to the 35-54 age group on homes/childcare costs, where the Tories are very worried.
Something needs to be done on tuition fees too. Every year that passes will see another group of young people graduate with £40k debts and a lifelong grudge against the Conservatives.
Yes, it's building up a lot of resentment among a key group that is usually fairly supportive of us (25-34 AB graduates).
With inflation creeping up to 3% some people are going to be paying 6% interest on 5 figure loans. No chance of ever paying them off (unless you're wealthy and have the capital, of course)
They are not expected to. You pay until you are 48, and then it ends, whether you've repaid it or not.
If you're a high earner you can choose to pay it off early but you're not obliged.
It's not a retail loan. It's a graduate tax.
Yes, I'm aware how the payments work (though it's actually 30 years after graduation so until 51/52 for most people). That's most of your career spent paying an additional 9% tax. Plus every year you get a statement showing the debt increasing by £000s. It's terrible optics
Although the additional 9% tax on top of base rate and a large personal allowance still leaves most graduates paying less than most of us paid in the past.
Not a statement you'll have seen me make terribly often on PB .... but
John Major is correct. It is untenable for the Conservative minority government to claim that it is an honest broker in the NI peace process when it depends for its very existence on the DUP.
Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;
However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.
We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.
Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.
Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
No, Remoaners were people who wanted to re run the referendum or fiilibuster BRexit
You have to admire our cunning plan to *sneak* a Remain sleeper into No. 10 to call a General Election and destroy the Government's majority?
If one were a cynic, replacing a Remain PM with another without a vote then calling an election and failing to mention any of the things that won it for Leave could look a bit sneaky
Not a statement you'll have seen me make terribly often on PB .... but
John Major is correct. It is untenable for the Conservative minority government to claim that it is an honest broker in the NI peace process when it depends for its very existence on the DUP.
I made that point on Sunday.
Say what you like about Sir John Major, but if wasn't for him, there'd be no peace process.
And it should be remembered the IRA tried to murder him but he didn't hold a grudge.
Michael Gove will be getting DEFRA to plant as many money trees as they can (as long as no immigrant labour is involved of course.)
If the taps are being turned on for anything, it'll be for the NHS and to offer something to the 35-54 age group on homes/childcare costs, where the Tories are very worried.
Something needs to be done on tuition fees too. Every year that passes will see another group of young people graduate with £40k debts and a lifelong grudge against the Conservatives.
Yes, it's building up a lot of resentment among a key group that is usually fairly supportive of us (25-34 AB graduates).
With inflation creeping up to 3% some people are going to be paying 6% interest on 5 figure loans. No chance of ever paying them off (unless you're wealthy and have the capital, of course)
They are not expected to. You pay until you are 48, and then it ends, whether you've repaid it or not.
If you're a high earner you can choose to pay it off early but you're not obliged.
It's not a retail loan. It's a graduate tax.
Yes, I'm aware how the payments work (though it's actually 30 years after graduation so until 51/52 for most people). That's most of your career spent paying an additional 9% tax. Plus every year you get a statement showing the debt increasing by £000s. It's terrible optics
Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;
However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.
We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.
Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.
Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
No, Remoaners were people who wanted to re run the referendum or fiilibuster BRexit
You have to admire our cunning plan to *sneak* a Remain sleeper into No. 10 to call a General Election and destroy the Government's majority?
Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;
However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.
We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.
Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.
Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
No, Remoaners were people who wanted to re run the referendum or fiilibuster BRexit
And what is wrong with that? If the result had been the other way Leavers would have done the same.
It would have been impossible for Leavers to have done so even if they had wanted to. We were already in the EU, how could they filibuster our entry into it?
She doesn't need the DUP. She just needs them to abstain. The long term fall out here is whether May can sell this as national interest protecting the country from Corbyn which is nigh on impossible given the tide behind him or its seen as a grubby attempt to cling on to power at any cost. Whatever she finds for Irish sweeties, why wasn't it available for the youth, pensioners, the north, Scotland, Wales, police, the NHS etc etc etc. The only non destructive option for the Tories is to govern as minority and dare the rainbow to vote them down. They are too greedy and damn entitled though, aren't they?
Seriously I think you are correct. Ratner made one remark that destroyed a successful business. Theresa May has made a series of unforced errors since becoming PM and I am struggling to think of one thing she has done right.
Not a statement you'll have seen me make terribly often on PB .... but
John Major is correct. It is untenable for the Conservative minority government to claim that it is an honest broker in the NI peace process when it depends for its very existence on the DUP.
John Major is and always was a thoroughly decent man doing what he honestly thought was in the best interests of everyone. His work advancing the peace process was critical, and he knows in detail what its like to be the leader of a minority government propped up by an NI party, albeit one that isn't populated by nutters.
But if Zombie wants to proceed on that basis, go right ahead. I don't know what will be funnier - the list of demands she'll have to concede to get a deal, or the DUP going way beyond sanity and no deal happening.
Something else John Major can provide counsel on - being in office but not in power
Seriously I think you are correct. Ratner made one remark that destroyed a successful business. Theresa May has made a series of unforced errors since becoming PM and I am struggling to think of one thing she has done right.
She doesn't need the DUP. She just needs them to abstain. The long term fall out here is whether May can sell this as national interest protecting the country from Corbyn which is nigh on impossible given the tide behind him or its seen as a grubby attempt to cling on to power at any cost. Whatever she finds for Irish sweeties, why wasn't it available for the youth, pensioners, the north, Scotland, Wales, police, the NHS etc etc etc. The only non destructive option for the Tories is to govern as minority and dare the rainbow to vote them down. They are too greedy and damn entitled though, aren't they?
The DUP's know this too - the threat should the Danegeld not be paid is obviously that they join in with everyone else in the house, and vote against
On topic, genuinely do not understand the Tory remainer who voted Labour
Labour's manifesto makes it crystal clear they are Leavers. WTF?
So much commentary in recent days suggests to me that millions of people voted under entirely false premises. I wonder how many people voted Labour to signal their fed-upness with austerity and the crapness of the tory campaign even though they did not support the kiddie in a sweet shop spending plans of Labour. It was lest we forget, safe to vote labour as "they could never win".
But I suppose 'twas ever thus. the result is being massively over-interpreted though as if it was some collective decision to have a hung parliament, rather than the chaotic result of millions of disparate voters and their diverse, incoherent and inconsistent opinions even amongst individuals!
No they said they would keep campaigning to Leave.
Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.
The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot.
She doesn't need the DUP. She just needs them to abstain. The long term fall out here is whether May can sell this as national interest protecting the country from Corbyn which is nigh on impossible given the tide behind him or its seen as a grubby attempt to cling on to power at any cost. Whatever she finds for Irish sweeties, why wasn't it available for the youth, pensioners, the north, Scotland, Wales, police, the NHS etc etc etc. The only non destructive option for the Tories is to govern as minority and dare the rainbow to vote them down. They are too greedy and damn entitled though, aren't they?
The DUP's know this too - the threat should the Danegeld not be paid is obviously that they join in with everyone else in the house, and vote against
And the answer in the national interest should be so be it. We need strong and stable, not string for Ireland and wobbly. New election essential.
The scariest moment of election night for me was when Alastair Meeks posted that Corbyn should now be favourite to be next PM.
My heart went straight into my mouth, and I had flashbacks to Robert Smithson's realisation of the Florida results last year, when he instantly did a U-turn, switched his position, and went long on Trump for the Presidency.
If it hadn't been for Scotland, he would have been Prime Minister.
Really?
Con 305 Lab 255 LD 8 Oth 23
Con maj 19.
I meant the Conservative outperformance in Scotland. If the Conservatives had got, say, 3 seats in Scotland instead of 13, the tally would have been something like:
Con 308 Lab 262 SNP 45 Lib Dem 12 DUP 10 Sinn Fein 7 Plaid Cymru 4 Green 1 Lady Penelope 1
Lab + SNP + PC + Green = 312
I expect the Lib Dems could also be prevailed upon to give confidence and supply, taking Prime Minister Corbyn to 324 seats.
A five-party agreement with a majority of -2? Hard to see that passing many laws. Realistically that would have been even worse than the current situation, where the country is nigh on ungovernable anyway.
No they said they would keep campaigning to Leave.
Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.
The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot.
Yes of course. What else do you think campaigning to Leave means?
She doesn't need the DUP. She just needs them to abstain. The long term fall out here is whether May can sell this as national interest protecting the country from Corbyn which is nigh on impossible given the tide behind him or its seen as a grubby attempt to cling on to power at any cost. Whatever she finds for Irish sweeties, why wasn't it available for the youth, pensioners, the north, Scotland, Wales, police, the NHS etc etc etc. The only non destructive option for the Tories is to govern as minority and dare the rainbow to vote them down. They are too greedy and damn entitled though, aren't they?
The DUP's know this too - the threat should the Danegeld not be paid is obviously that they join in with everyone else in the house, and vote against
And the answer in the national interest should be so be it. We need strong and stable, not string for Ireland and wobbly. New election essential.
THe Tories will be crucified in new elections, and May knows it.
She doesn't need the DUP. She just needs them to abstain. The long term fall out here is whether May can sell this as national interest protecting the country from Corbyn which is nigh on impossible given the tide behind him or its seen as a grubby attempt to cling on to power at any cost. Whatever she finds for Irish sweeties, why wasn't it available for the youth, pensioners, the north, Scotland, Wales, police, the NHS etc etc etc. The only non destructive option for the Tories is to govern as minority and dare the rainbow to vote them down. They are too greedy and damn entitled though, aren't they?
The DUP's know this too - the threat should the Danegeld not be paid is obviously that they join in with everyone else in the house, and vote against
And the answer in the national interest should be so be it. We need strong and stable, not string for Ireland and wobbly. New election essential.
Be could for my wallet as I have a bet on a 2nd election this year.
Not too keen on the risk that Corbyn will win this time.
She doesn't need the DUP. She just needs them to abstain. The long term fall out here is whether May can sell this as national interest protecting the country from Corbyn which is nigh on impossible given the tide behind him or its seen as a grubby attempt to cling on to power at any cost. Whatever she finds for Irish sweeties, why wasn't it available for the youth, pensioners, the north, Scotland, Wales, police, the NHS etc etc etc. The only non destructive option for the Tories is to govern as minority and dare the rainbow to vote them down. They are too greedy and damn entitled though, aren't they?
You can't have it both ways. If they were 'too greedy and damn entitled', they'd surely think they can do without the explicit support of the DUP.
She doesn't need the DUP. She just needs them to abstain. The long term fall out here is whether May can sell this as national interest protecting the country from Corbyn which is nigh on impossible given the tide behind him or its seen as a grubby attempt to cling on to power at any cost. Whatever she finds for Irish sweeties, why wasn't it available for the youth, pensioners, the north, Scotland, Wales, police, the NHS etc etc etc. The only non destructive option for the Tories is to govern as minority and dare the rainbow to vote them down. They are too greedy and damn entitled though, aren't they?
The DUP's know this too - the threat should the Danegeld not be paid is obviously that they join in with everyone else in the house, and vote against
And the answer in the national interest should be so be it. We need strong and stable, not string for Ireland and wobbly. New election essential.
THe Tories will be crucified in new elections, and May knows it.
I don't know. As I've said before, I think many people voted back in their local Labour MP because they didn't think there was any chance in hell that Corbyn would be PM. I know members of my own extended family and some acquaintances I have spoken to have said this.
Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;
However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.
We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.
Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.
Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
No, Remoaners were people who wanted to re run the referendum or fiilibuster BRexit
And what is wrong with that? If the result had been the other way Leavers would have done the same.
It would have been impossible for Leavers to have done so even if they had wanted to. We were already in the EU, how could they filibuster our entry into it?
There doesn't seem to be any filibustering going on or even the necessity to filibuster. Theresa and the three Brexiteers seem quite capable of wasting precious time e.g. by holding an unnecessary seven week long GE followed by days of reaching an agreement with the DUP.
On topic, genuinely do not understand the Tory remainer who voted Labour
Labour's manifesto makes it crystal clear they are Leavers. WTF?
May has become identified with Leave, therefore the opposing party gets identified with Remain. It doesn't seem to matter that May was pro-remain in the referendum, and Corbyn voted leave in the 70s then basically sat out the campaign this time.
Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;
However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.
We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.
Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.
Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
No, Remoaners were people who wanted to re run the referendum or fiilibuster BRexit
And what is wrong with that? If the result had been the other way Leavers would have done the same.
It would have been impossible for Leavers to have done so even if they had wanted to. We were already in the EU, how could they filibuster our entry into it?
There doesn't seem to be any filibustering going on or even the necessity to filibuster. Theresa and the three Brexiteers seem quite capable of wasting precious time e.g. by holding an unnecessary seven week long GE followed by days of reaching an agreement with the DUP.
What did you mean by "Buying Opportunity" when the Lib Dems were 10/1 in Stoke on Trent?
She doesn't need the DUP. She just needs them to abstain. The long term fall out here is whether May can sell this as national interest protecting the country from Corbyn which is nigh on impossible given the tide behind him or its seen as a grubby attempt to cling on to power at any cost. Whatever she finds for Irish sweeties, why wasn't it available for the youth, pensioners, the north, Scotland, Wales, police, the NHS etc etc etc. The only non destructive option for the Tories is to govern as minority and dare the rainbow to vote them down. They are too greedy and damn entitled though, aren't they?
The DUP's know this too - the threat should the Danegeld not be paid is obviously that they join in with everyone else in the house, and vote against
And the answer in the national interest should be so be it. We need strong and stable, not string for Ireland and wobbly. New election essential.
THe Tories will be crucified in new elections, and May knows it.
I don't know. As I've said before, I think many people voted back in their local Labour MP because they didn't think there was any chance in hell that Corbyn would be PM. I know members of my own extended family and some acquaintances I have spoken to have said this.
Are people going to make the mistake again?
I don't want May to take the risk mind.
Atually I think you might be right - who knows how a new election would go. I'm staying out the betting as I'm moving house anyhow. This election just gone was stressful enough !
Might we have another election in the coming weeks, assuming Jezza agrees? I can't see Theresa leading the Tories if so. Surely they'd have to risk Boris, providing a bit of mirth and light relief to counter Jezza's youth-led juggernaut.
One thing is for sure (and I think important for betting purposes): if there is another election anytime soon, then this time the media will actually read and discuss the Labour manifesto.
Not a statement you'll have seen me make terribly often on PB .... but
John Major is correct. It is untenable for the Conservative minority government to claim that it is an honest broker in the NI peace process when it depends for its very existence on the DUP.
I made that point on Sunday.
Say what you like about Sir John Major, but if wasn't for him, there'd be no peace process.
And it should be remembered the IRA tried to murder him but he didn't hold a grudge.
John Major didn't say quite that on the radio this lunchtime.
He seemed to say that it was quite understandable for the government to have to depend upon DUP votes for its survival - but that if it were going to do so, it would be essential for it to consult widely on Brexit in order to dispel the understandable assumption of undue influence on the DUP's part.
Whether than is a tenable arrangement is another matter.
She doesn't need the DUP. She just needs them to abstain. The long term fall out here is whether May can sell this as national interest protecting the country from Corbyn which is nigh on impossible given the tide behind him or its seen as a grubby attempt to cling on to power at any cost. Whatever she finds for Irish sweeties, why wasn't it available for the youth, pensioners, the north, Scotland, Wales, police, the NHS etc etc etc. The only non destructive option for the Tories is to govern as minority and dare the rainbow to vote them down. They are too greedy and damn entitled though, aren't they?
The DUP's know this too - the threat should the Danegeld not be paid is obviously that they join in with everyone else in the house, and vote against
And the answer in the national interest should be so be it. We need strong and stable, not string for Ireland and wobbly. New election essential.
THe Tories will be crucified in new elections, and May knows it.
I don't know. As I've said before, I think many people voted back in their local Labour MP because they didn't think there was any chance in hell that Corbyn would be PM. I know members of my own extended family and some acquaintances I have spoken to have said this.
Are people going to make the mistake again?
I don't want May to take the risk mind.
What USPs do the Tories have left?
Their only option would be to make GE2 about Brexit and campaign for Leave.
Might we have another election in the coming weeks, assuming Jezza agrees? I can't see Theresa leading the Tories if so. Surely they'd have to risk Boris, providing a bit of mirth and light relief to counter Jezza's youth-led juggernaut.
Honestly I can't see any alternative if they are to face Jezza within weeks.
No they said they would keep campaigning to Leave.
Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.
The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot.
The link between Farage and any sort of campaign which won the referendum has been disproved I thought ?
Translation: There's a stack more pork is this old barrel and we intend to dig deep.
Given the evidence of how far May was prepared to mortgage our future energy prices to the Chinese to ensure their continued investment in old style nuclear plants, I don't expect we'll get away cheaply on this either.
Translation: There's a stack more pork is this old barrel and we intend to dig deep.
Given the evidence of how far May was prepared to mortgage our future energy prices to the Chinese to ensure their continued investment in old style nuclear plants, I don't expect we'll get away cheaply on this either.
Not very often I agree with the EU but I do think the upshot of the hung parliament will be to make a no deal Brexit far more likely than if May had won 100 seats;
However, in his interview, Mr Barnier sounded increasingly impatient with the UK, saying: "I don't know what hard Brexit or soft Brexit means. I read yesterday 'Open Brexit' too! Brexit is withdrawal from the EU - it's the UK's decision. We're implementing it."
Well to be fair that's what Mrs May was saying before the election. All this "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" stuff was just brought up by Remainiacs to try and muddy the waters.
We're leaving and we've got to prepare and get on with it instead of all this angst-ridden hard and soft Brexit stuff.
Sorry no, I'm not having that, when people pointed out how difficult Brexit was going to be, we were called Remoaners.
Sadly for those who are having to deal with Brexit on a daily basis, we've been proved right.
Theresa triggered Article 50 nearly three months ago, then wasted 7 weeks on a general election, and we're even further away from any Brexit deal.
No, Remoaners were people who wanted to re run the referendum or fiilibuster BRexit
I don't recall such definitional niceties. I have never wanted to rerun the referendum or filibuster Brexit and have frequently been called a Remoaner.
Maybe calling everyone who voted Leave a c*nt could be a third category!
I don't think I've ever exactly said that. Anyway, you'll be pleased to know that I'm extending my range.
Might we have another election in the coming weeks, assuming Jezza agrees? I can't see Theresa leading the Tories if so. Surely they'd have to risk Boris, providing a bit of mirth and light relief to counter Jezza's youth-led juggernaut.
Honestly I can't see any alternative if they are to face Jezza within weeks.
As a matter of interest. We only have a few weeks to Parliament rising until October. How could an election take place before the Autumn at the earliest
@faisalislam: 730 days to negotiate Brexit, ambitious for exit deal alone. Government tho wanted entire Free Trade Deal. 77 days gone with no negotiation.
Nothing substantive was going to be done until after the German election anyway.
However, by October we'd better have our house in order!
Sure Falconer could be used as some sort of makeweight in the deal? We get the Good Lord, you get an extra £50m for a sectarian bridge, so no-one need enter catholic areas.
Looks like we voted to give £350 million extra a week to parts of Northern Ireland.
It'll be dressed up as a deprivation formula replacing cash lost by poorer areas on EU exit. As certain on this as my 16-1 Labour Hallam tip. Note that Cornwall is looking dicey for the Tories too, and with London romping home for Labour there is not that much of a political price to pay. Honestly it totally suits everyone on the blue benches.
Fair play to the DUP - it's to be expected that a Northern Irish party will be well schooled in the art of negotiations. Hard negotiating and brinkmanship is the name of the game. Perhaps the tories should have actually offered a full coalition - put Arlene Foster as Brexit Secretary, and watch as European porc comes flying our way.
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https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/874612782146179076
(With apologies to Alistair McAlpine)
In the absence of any other evidence I'd expect them to lose 50-60 seats to Labour, and Corbyn to be on the cusp of majority and in a position to form a coalition with the SNP.
Which is exactly why the Tories would hold their seats in Scotland because the price of that coalition would obviously be indyref2.
There is no stability to be gained from it. Quite the opposite, and it would waste more time.
John Major is correct. It is untenable for the Conservative minority government to claim that it is an honest broker in the NI peace process when it depends for its very existence on the DUP.
Say what you like about Sir John Major, but if wasn't for him, there'd be no peace process.
And it should be remembered the IRA tried to murder him but he didn't hold a grudge.
The only non destructive option for the Tories is to govern as minority and dare the rainbow to vote them down. They are too greedy and damn entitled though, aren't they?
But if Zombie wants to proceed on that basis, go right ahead. I don't know what will be funnier - the list of demands she'll have to concede to get a deal, or the DUP going way beyond sanity and no deal happening.
Something else John Major can provide counsel on - being in office but not in power
Labour's manifesto makes it crystal clear they are Leavers. WTF?
So much commentary in recent days suggests to me that millions of people voted under entirely false premises. I wonder how many people voted Labour to signal their fed-upness with austerity and the crapness of the tory campaign even though they did not support the kiddie in a sweet shop spending plans of Labour. It was lest we forget, safe to vote labour as "they could never win".
But I suppose 'twas ever thus. the result is being massively over-interpreted though as if it was some collective decision to have a hung parliament, rather than the chaotic result of millions of disparate voters and their diverse, incoherent and inconsistent opinions even amongst individuals!
Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.
The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot.
Not too keen on the risk that Corbyn will win this time.
“I’m a huge fan of Theresa May’s, and I have been throughout my political career, and I think that she was a great home secretary.”...
Are people going to make the mistake again?
I don't want May to take the risk mind.
Whereas, Theresa May...
That didn't end too well for a another former PM.....
It is ok to be wrong you know
This election just gone was stressful enough !
He seemed to say that it was quite understandable for the government to have to depend upon DUP votes for its survival - but that if it were going to do so, it would be essential for it to consult widely on Brexit in order to dispel the understandable assumption of undue influence on the DUP's part.
Whether than is a tenable arrangement is another matter.
Surely his head is too large for a crown ?
https://order-order.com/2017/06/13/learn-to-speak-corbynista-with-guidos-slang-dictionary/
Their only option would be to make GE2 about Brexit and campaign for Leave.
"The 149th annual TUC Congress 2017 will take place at The Brighton Centre during 10-13 September"
...near Belfast.
Discussions are going well with the government and we hope soon to be able to bring this work to a successful conclusion.
https://twitter.com/guardiananushka/status/874621776470437888
However, by October we'd better have our house in order!
Support: 43%
Oppose: 38%
(via @YouGov / 09 - 10 Jun)
Honestly it totally suits everyone on the blue benches.
The whole could just end up in one big bust up...
And then, time runs out and we're out!!!!