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Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

The Conservatives' main plank is hard right Brexit. You can understand why a lot of the public might choose a different backward-looking fantasy instead, in the absence of anyone putting forward a forward-looking prospectus rooted in reality.

glw said:

Chris said:

glw said:

The_Apocalypse said:

The concert has been brilliant. Sent out a message of unity, strength and love. That we won't be divided and we certainly won't go demonising anyone who is different or looking for a scapegoat.

I don't agree with that. If terrorists carry out a Beslan like attack in London or Paris I suspect all the happy-clappy stuff would be straight in the bin.

It rather depends how many people are too stupid to see that's the whole idea!

You may not have noticed but over the last few years there has been repeated evidence of large populations acting in what might be described as an emotional rather than intellectual manner, with some fairly dramatic results.

As I said, it depends how many people are stupid ...

Mortimer said:

GIN1138 said:

RobD said:

GIN1138 said:

RobD said:

GIN1138 said:

RobD said:

Only four days to go until the exit poll is announced! I can just hear the bongs at ten now....

I think the exit poll is probably the best part of the whole night for me...

I'm in a bit of a pickle. The time lag on iPlayer is ~1 minute. Do I just not look at PB for a whole minute? Not sure I can manage that....

You have to... You can't ruin the drama of the Big Ben Bongs by logging on to PB...

I (somehow) managed in 2015....

I remember my jaw dropping when I saw what the exit poll was projecting in 2015! ;|)

My shouted air punch was audible 3 streets away, I reckon....

Yes same here lol.

Apparently the bystander shot in the crossfire, was shot in the head !!!

SquareRoot said:

Jonathan said:

Curious thought. If Tories win, all they done is won two extra years. That's it. Barely makes a difference really. Not even half another term.

you wish....

They have plans to extend the maximum term beyond five years? Gosh.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Mail know who one of the terrorist was....

One of the jihadis who terrorised London with two assailants before being shot dead by police tricked his neighbours into believing he was a nice guy by playing football with their children on the nearby green.

Secretly, he was harbouring a destructive hatred and frequently changing his appearance in preparation of unleashing a deadly attack on the capital city during which seven people died and up to 50 were injured last night.

The killer, who MailOnline is not naming because of operational reasons on the request of the police, lived in a block of flats in Barking and also played table tennis with youngsters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4570950/Footage-shows-London-Bridge-terrorists-Borough-Market.html

So he's an Arsenal fan.

First Osama bin Laden, now this chap, why do Arsenal attract all the lunatic terrorists?

Chris said:

glw said:

You may not have noticed but over the last few years there has been repeated evidence of large populations acting in what might be described as an emotional rather than intellectual manner, with some fairly dramatic results.

As I said, it depends how many people are stupid ...

You can call it stupid, or you can call it human nature. But I've no doubt that our tolerance has a threshold and that Islamic State wants to both find and pass that threshold.

sealo0 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Apparently the bystander shot in the crossfire, was shot in the head !!!

"In the hand" as pre reporter outside King Hospital

A bystander was shot in the head after they were caught in the police crossfire and the incident is being investigated by the Independent Police Complaints Commission, the Metropolitan Police revealed today

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4570950/Footage-shows-London-Bridge-terrorists-Borough-Market.html

That will be a bloody awful typo from the Mail if true.

rcs1000 said:

oxfordsimon said:

glw said:

oxfordsimon said:

Farron's performance against Neil won't have helped. He has had a dreadful campaign.

He was a poor choice from a very limited pool. Lamb would have been a least a little better.

A little - but unlikely now to hold his Norfolk seat.

It is very hard to see who will replace Farron - the pool will be very small.

Jo Swinson, if she wins East Dunbartonshire (which I think is the least likely of the potential Scottish gains for the LDs).

Nick Clegg, if he holds Sheffield Hallam (which I suspect he will).

Nick Clegg if he's available and willing. He has ideas that he can articulate, which is what the Lib Dems need right now. There's a space for an internationalist, business friendly, liberal, social market party, as both Labour and the Conservatives have abandoned that space. This would be the Liberals going back to their 19C roots

AlastairMeeks said:

The Conservatives' main plank is hard right Brexit. You can understand why a lot of the public might choose a different backward-looking fantasy instead, in the absence of anyone putting forward a forward-looking prospectus rooted in reality.

Not really. 52% of voters chose Brexit. That might have been a mistake, and it was certainly a high-risk decision, but it wasn't the Conservatives who made this choice. Theresa May has, very reasonably, gone for a policy of making the best of this democratic decision. Labour under Jeremy Corbyn seems to half-agree, so that isn't the dividing line

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Mail know who one of the terrorist was....

One of the jihadis who terrorised London with two assailants before being shot dead by police tricked his neighbours into believing he was a nice guy by playing football with their children on the nearby green.

Secretly, he was harbouring a destructive hatred and frequently changing his appearance in preparation of unleashing a deadly attack on the capital city during which seven people died and up to 50 were injured last night.

The killer, who MailOnline is not naming because of operational reasons on the request of the police, lived in a block of flats in Barking and also played table tennis with youngsters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4570950/Footage-shows-London-Bridge-terrorists-Borough-Market.html

So he's an Arsenal fan.

First Osama bin Laden, now this chap, why do Arsenal attract all the lunatic terrorists?

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Mail know who one of the terrorist was....

One of the jihadis who terrorised London with two assailants before being shot dead by police tricked his neighbours into believing he was a nice guy by playing football with their children on the nearby green.

Secretly, he was harbouring a destructive hatred and frequently changing his appearance in preparation of unleashing a deadly attack on the capital city during which seven people died and up to 50 were injured last night.

The killer, who MailOnline is not naming because of operational reasons on the request of the police, lived in a block of flats in Barking and also played table tennis with youngsters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4570950/Footage-shows-London-Bridge-terrorists-Borough-Market.html

So he's an Arsenal fan.

First Osama bin Laden, now this chap, why do Arsenal attract all the lunatic terrorists?

...like Corbyn?

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

There is a real opportunity at this election to go in a different direction.

I for one welcome the opportunity.

I think TM will win but it is good not to hear they're all the same on the doorstep.

At the end of the day we live in a democracy and people do have a real choice between more me me me or something entirely different.

bigjohnowls said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

There is a real opportunity at this election to go in a different direction.

I for one welcome the opportunity.

I think TM will win but it is good not to hear they're all the same on the doorstep.

At the end of the day we live in a democracy and people do have a real choice between more me me me or something entirely different.

Isn't Labour's platform all about "me me me"? A bung for middle class student. Keeping WFA for rich pensioners etc. etc.

Richard_Nabavi said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The Conservatives' main plank is hard right Brexit. You can understand why a lot of the public might choose a different backward-looking fantasy instead, in the absence of anyone putting forward a forward-looking prospectus rooted in reality.

Not really. 52% of voters chose Brexit. That might have been a mistake, and it was certainly a high-risk decision, but it wasn't the Conservatives who made this choice. Theresa May has, very reasonably, gone for a policy of making the best of this democratic decision. Labour under Jeremy Corbyn seems to half-agree, so that isn't the dividing line

What's clear is that the Tories now own Brexit, for good or ill.

foxinsoxuk said:

glw said:

The_Apocalypse said:

The concert has been brilliant. Sent out a message of unity, strength and love. That we won't be divided and we certainly won't go demonising anyone who is different or looking for a scapegoat.

I don't agree with that. If terrorists carry out a Beslan like attack in London or Paris I suspect all the happy-clappy stuff would be straight in the bin.

Why?

The French did not go all fascist, why would we if the same happened?

The concert was not my cup of tea for a variety of reasons, but clearly a healing moment for many in Manchester

Highly recommended to ward off PTSD. Get back on the horse is the modern advice. So good for the young people, and good for Ms.Grande. (in both senses).

Jonathan said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The Conservatives' main plank is hard right Brexit. You can understand why a lot of the public might choose a different backward-looking fantasy instead, in the absence of anyone putting forward a forward-looking prospectus rooted in reality.

Not really. 52% of voters chose Brexit. That might have been a mistake, and it was certainly a high-risk decision, but it wasn't the Conservatives who made this choice. Theresa May has, very reasonably, gone for a policy of making the best of this democratic decision. Labour under Jeremy Corbyn seems to half-agree, so that isn't the dividing line

What's clear is that the Tories now own Brexit, for good or ill.

How wasn't it clear before? They are the party that is going to implement it.

Richard_Nabavi said:

MarkSenior said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

and the positive reasons for voting Conservatives are ................... none

Plenty. Good governance, sound finances, a sensible approach to funding adult social care, getting immigration back down to sensible levels, improving education, keeping the economy on track - what could conceivably be more positive than that?

Hmm. policy changes by the week and bad headline. Debt up. AAA lost. Immigration up. That's the Tory record.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Mail know who one of the terrorist was....

One of the jihadis who terrorised London with two assailants before being shot dead by police tricked his neighbours into believing he was a nice guy by playing football with their children on the nearby green.

Secretly, he was harbouring a destructive hatred and frequently changing his appearance in preparation of unleashing a deadly attack on the capital city during which seven people died and up to 50 were injured last night.

The killer, who MailOnline is not naming because of operational reasons on the request of the police, lived in a block of flats in Barking and also played table tennis with youngsters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4570950/Footage-shows-London-Bridge-terrorists-Borough-Market.html

Although I always knew East London was v ISIS friendly, and always had slight anxiety on the train n the way to the city (via Barking, West Ham, Limehouse), actually knowing jihadis live 8 mins away is v scary

A weird weekend. One of our schoolmates commited suicide Friday, now I live next door to terrorists

Richard_Nabavi said:

MarkSenior said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

and the positive reasons for voting Conservatives are ................... none

Plenty. Good governance, sound finances, a sensible approach to funding adult social care, getting immigration back down to sensible levels, improving education, keeping the economy on track - what could conceivably be more positive than that?

All fine and dandy. Very few specifics of how we get from here to there, though.

SquareRoot said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

Well said.. If Labour win.. there is no hope for the UK. I will be the one turning out the light as the last person. to leave the Uk. Anyone else who doesn't is a fool... and YES I will leave the UK and I know where I will go to.

Corbyn in the Sun's lightbulb on Thursday?

MarkSenior said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

and the positive reasons for voting Conservatives are ................... none

You think your going to win back Colchester Mark?

Libs have most boards but I just can't see it.

Not sure they are even trying that hard but I think the "busiest" councillor may have lost his seat at last elections if I understood his facebook post correctly.

Amusingly he was so involved in our locale I thought he was my councillor, when I went to vote it was a woman who I had never personally seen or heard do anything - but I had seen a pic of her pointing at a pothole!

The guy though is an absolute legend and a credit to your party.

Richard_Nabavi said:

Jonathan said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The Conservatives' main plank is hard right Brexit. You can understand why a lot of the public might choose a different backward-looking fantasy instead, in the absence of anyone putting forward a forward-looking prospectus rooted in reality.

Not really. 52% of voters chose Brexit. That might have been a mistake, and it was certainly a high-risk decision, but it wasn't the Conservatives who made this choice. Theresa May has, very reasonably, gone for a policy of making the best of this democratic decision. Labour under Jeremy Corbyn seems to half-agree, so that isn't the dividing line

What's clear is that the Tories now own Brexit, for good or ill.

The Tories own everything. They are the only one of the two main parties even pretending to offer a programme for government (and the smaller parties have largely disappeared). So, yes, you are right.

Whoever wins this election is in for trouble. It's 92 or 05 times one thousand.

Jonathan said:

Curious thought. If Tories win, all they done is won two extra years. That's it. Barely makes a difference really. Not even half another term.

If they get a decent majority they pretty well guarantee the boundary changes.

Whereas previously they were maybe 50/50.

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

There is a real opportunity at this election to go in a different direction.

I for one welcome the opportunity.

I think TM will win but it is good not to hear they're all the same on the doorstep.

At the end of the day we live in a democracy and people do have a real choice between more me me me or something entirely different.

Isn't Labour's platform all about "me me me"? A bung for middle class student. Keeping WFA for rich pensioners etc. etc.

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

There is a real opportunity at this election to go in a different direction.

I for one welcome the opportunity.

I think TM will win but it is good not to hear they're all the same on the doorstep.

At the end of the day we live in a democracy and people do have a real choice between more me me me or something entirely different.

Isn't Labour's platform all about "me me me"? A bung for middle class student. Keeping WFA for rich pensioners etc. etc.

I agree with one Tory policy TBF getting rid of the triple lock.

It's about time pensioners did their bit to fund tax cuts for the wealthiest.

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Mexicanpete said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Mail know who one of the terrorist was....

One of the jihadis who terrorised London with two assailants before being shot dead by police tricked his neighbours into believing he was a nice guy by playing football with their children on the nearby green.

Secretly, he was harbouring a destructive hatred and frequently changing his appearance in preparation of unleashing a deadly attack on the capital city during which seven people died and up to 50 were injured last night.

The killer, who MailOnline is not naming because of operational reasons on the request of the police, lived in a block of flats in Barking and also played table tennis with youngsters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4570950/Footage-shows-London-Bridge-terrorists-Borough-Market.html

So he's an Arsenal fan.

First Osama bin Laden, now this chap, why do Arsenal attract all the lunatic terrorists?

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Mail know who one of the terrorist was....

One of the jihadis who terrorised London with two assailants before being shot dead by police tricked his neighbours into believing he was a nice guy by playing football with their children on the nearby green.

Secretly, he was harbouring a destructive hatred and frequently changing his appearance in preparation of unleashing a deadly attack on the capital city during which seven people died and up to 50 were injured last night.

The killer, who MailOnline is not naming because of operational reasons on the request of the police, lived in a block of flats in Barking and also played table tennis with youngsters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4570950/Footage-shows-London-Bridge-terrorists-Borough-Market.html

So he's an Arsenal fan.

First Osama bin Laden, now this chap, why do Arsenal attract all the lunatic terrorists?

...like Corbyn?

I was thinking Piers Morgan...

Time to proscribe Arsenal Football Club.

I could go for that :-)

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

There is a real opportunity at this election to go in a different direction.

I for one welcome the opportunity.

I think TM will win but it is good not to hear they're all the same on the doorstep.

At the end of the day we live in a democracy and people do have a real choice between more me me me or something entirely different.

Isn't Labour's platform all about "me me me"? A bung for middle class student. Keeping WFA for rich pensioners etc. etc.

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

There is a real opportunity at this election to go in a different direction.

I for one welcome the opportunity.

I think TM will win but it is good not to hear they're all the same on the doorstep.

At the end of the day we live in a democracy and people do have a real choice between more me me me or something entirely different.

Isn't Labour's platform all about "me me me"? A bung for middle class student. Keeping WFA for rich pensioners etc. etc.

I agree with one Tory policy TBF getting rid of the triple lock.

It's about time pensioners did their bit to fund tax cuts for the wealthiest.

But you support giving millionaire pensioners WFA?

isam said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Mail know who one of the terrorist was....

One of the jihadis who terrorised London with two assailants before being shot dead by police tricked his neighbours into believing he was a nice guy by playing football with their children on the nearby green.

Secretly, he was harbouring a destructive hatred and frequently changing his appearance in preparation of unleashing a deadly attack on the capital city during which seven people died and up to 50 were injured last night.

The killer, who MailOnline is not naming because of operational reasons on the request of the police, lived in a block of flats in Barking and also played table tennis with youngsters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4570950/Footage-shows-London-Bridge-terrorists-Borough-Market.html

Although I always knew East London was v ISIS friendly, and always had slight anxiety on the train n the way to the city (via Barking, West Ham, Limehouse), actually knowing jihadis live 8 mins away is v scary

A weird weekend. One of our schoolmates commited suicide Friday, now I live next door to terrorists

Sounds like a rough weekend, sorry about that. Time to go to the Winchester for a metaphorical pint, and wait for it all blow over?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mike's trolling Sir Lynton Crosby

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/871452579925983233

I posted numbers perviously showing that the vast majority of that was due to Corbyn's rise, rather than May's fall.

RobD said:

Jonathan said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Jonathan said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The Conservatives' main plank is hard right Brexit. You can understand why a lot of the public might choose a different backward-looking fantasy instead, in the absence of anyone putting forward a forward-looking prospectus rooted in reality.

Not really. 52% of voters chose Brexit. That might have been a mistake, and it was certainly a high-risk decision, but it wasn't the Conservatives who made this choice. Theresa May has, very reasonably, gone for a policy of making the best of this democratic decision. Labour under Jeremy Corbyn seems to half-agree, so that isn't the dividing line

What's clear is that the Tories now own Brexit, for good or ill.

The Tories own everything. They are the only one of the two main parties even pretending to offer a programme for government (and the smaller parties have largely disappeared). So, yes, you are right.

Whoever wins this election is in for trouble. It's 92 or 05 times one thousand.

Remind me what was said in 2010....

Shows how great our PM was!

That's actually a good headline for Theresa in the Guardian. The "enough is enough" phrase has definitely resonated today, again using my WhatsApp groups as vox pops loads of people agree with that sentiment, we've had enough of these attacks and it's time something was done to stop them.

Richard_Nabavi said:

dixiedean said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

MarkSenior said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

and the positive reasons for voting Conservatives are ................... none

Plenty. Good governance, sound finances, a sensible approach to funding adult social care, getting immigration back down to sensible levels, improving education, keeping the economy on track - what could conceivably be more positive than that?

All fine and dandy. Very few specifics of how we get from here to there, though.

Actually, the problem was the opposite. Mrs May's mistake was to be to specific in the manifesto.

Well didn't it really manage to be way too specific about one particular thing while being incredibly vague about everything else? If we've learned anything from this election, never underestimate May's ability to find the worst of both worlds

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mike's trolling Sir Lynton Crosby

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/871452579925983233

I posted numbers perviously showing that the vast majority of that was due to Corbyn's rise, rather than May's fall.

We have to acknowledge her crapness.

A good PM would not have let this happen.

midwinter said:

OUT said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

MarkSenior said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: If indeed it is the case that Theresa May has only a small or even no advantage over Jeremy Corbyn, then it's not Tories who need to be worried, it's the United Kingdom. Never before, in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round. Perhaps voters have gone bonkers, but it seems unlikely. At least one hopes so.

and the positive reasons for voting Conservatives are ................... none

Plenty. Good governance, sound finances, a sensible approach to funding adult social care, getting immigration back down to sensible levels, improving education, keeping the economy on track - what could conceivably be more positive than that?

Being able to walk around town, go to a concert/pub/restaurant without being mown down or stabbed.

Happen to you often?

Who knows who's next.

MaxPB said:

That's actually a good headline for Theresa in the Guardian. The "enough is enough" phrase has definitely resonated today, again using my WhatsApp groups as vox pops loads of people agree with that sentiment, we've had enough of these attacks and it's time something was done to stop them.

Actually the ideal time might have been before now

Instead of reading PB this evening, I watched the Manchester gig, and despite not knowing some of the acts and many of the songs, it was fucking brilliant!

As for Jezzbollah, and his sudden conversion, this is awkward

https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/871457856415043584

And on police funding, is anyone seriously claiming that last night they needed more personnel or equipment to take down 3 attackers in 8 minutes

nunu said:

foxinsoxuk said:

oxfordsimon said:

glw said:

oxfordsimon said:

Farron's performance against Neil won't have helped. He has had a dreadful campaign.

He was a poor choice from a very limited pool. Lamb would have been a least a little better.

A little - but unlikely now to hold his Norfolk seat.

It is very hard to see who will replace Farron - the pool will be very small.

Britain elects makes him a near cert as hold.

http://britainelects.com/nowcast/

I think their 354 number is not far off, but I would give them a handful more.

They are predicting 29% of the tory gains to come from Scotland. Dissappointing for them.

Their model is too optmisic on the LibDems in London (albeit I think Twickenham, for reasons of Heathrow mostly) is likely to fall.

I would also estimate that Fife NE is more likely than those forecasts, and East Dunbartonshire less.

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mike's trolling Sir Lynton Crosby

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/871452579925983233

I posted numbers perviously showing that the vast majority of that was due to Corbyn's rise, rather than May's fall.

We have to acknowledge her crapness.

A good PM would not have let this happen.

Indeed, my worry is that we'll end up with a 120-140 majority on the back of the last few days and team Theresa will see it as a vindication of their shitty manifesto.

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/871457856415043584

The Sun have a leaked telephone conversion?

Floater said:

MaxPB said:

That's actually a good headline for Theresa in the Guardian. The "enough is enough" phrase has definitely resonated today, again using my WhatsApp groups as vox pops loads of people agree with that sentiment, we've had enough of these attacks and it's time something was done to stop them.

You know I am no fan of Labour but this is just words Max.

All we get are words and platitudes.

Not exactly convinced "Enough is enough" is a good slogan for a Party in power for 7 years.

Richard_Nabavi said:

So, in summary, the reaction to my point that "in the 50 years or so that I've been following politics, has either main party put forward a more fantastical, incompetent, unprepared, economically illiterate, disunited, and dangerous - not to mention vile - front bench as Labour are proposing this time round" is to counter this by saying that Theresa May's not all that great.

Well, yes. QED, I think.

She isn't great - but she is the only game in town.

Plus the tories do dump shite - unlike Labour

Floater said:

MaxPB said:

That's actually a good headline for Theresa in the Guardian. The "enough is enough" phrase has definitely resonated today, again using my WhatsApp groups as vox pops loads of people agree with that sentiment, we've had enough of these attacks and it's time something was done to stop them.

You know I am no fan of Labour but this is just words Max.

All we get are words and platitudes.

That's not true, she also has a specific, concrete and ridiculous plan to break internet security.

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mike's trolling Sir Lynton Crosby

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/871452579925983233

I posted numbers perviously showing that the vast majority of that was due to Corbyn's rise, rather than May's fall.

And - let's face it - it's YouGov.

Richard_Tyndall said:

Ishmael_Z said:

The_Apocalypse said:

The concert has been brilliant. Sent out a message of unity, strength and love. That we won't be divided and we certainly won't go demonising anyone who is different or looking for a scapegoat.

Are you characterising Muslims as "different"? In what way "different"? Different from you? Different from what they should be? Different from Christians? It's unusual to see the inherent racism of the UK left so explicitly stated (except of course where Jews are involved).

I have to say I think this comment from you takes the biscuit for twisting both the words and the sentiment of what Apocalypse has said. Kind of unnecessary and reflects poorly on you.

+1

Chameleon said:

isam said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Mail know who one of the terrorist was....

One of the jihadis who terrorised London with two assailants before being shot dead by police tricked his neighbours into believing he was a nice guy by playing football with their children on the nearby green.

Secretly, he was harbouring a destructive hatred and frequently changing his appearance in preparation of unleashing a deadly attack on the capital city during which seven people died and up to 50 were injured last night.

The killer, who MailOnline is not naming because of operational reasons on the request of the police, lived in a block of flats in Barking and also played table tennis with youngsters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4570950/Footage-shows-London-Bridge-terrorists-Borough-Market.html

Although I always knew East London was v ISIS friendly, and always had slight anxiety on the train n the way to the city (via Barking, West Ham, Limehouse), actually knowing jihadis live 8 mins away is v scary

A weird weekend. One of our schoolmates commited suicide Friday, now I live next door to terrorists

Sounds like a rough weekend, sorry about that. Time to go to the Winchester for a metaphorical pint, and wait for it all blow over?

It wasn't a close mate, more one of the crowd. We actually fell out as he tried to diddle me out of some money, so I'd feel a bit of a fraud going to the funeral as we hadn't spoke for years. But all the same, someone I'd gone on holiday with a few times etc. Weird that he's dead. In fact the first time I got on a plane (Feb 91 a school ski trip) we had our bags checked and he said 'mind the bombs'... didn't go down well in the middle of gulf war!

Danny565 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Tories have made clear at all that the Winter Fuel Allowance will *only* be taken from millionaires.

I thought they had refused to give any indication of what level the WFA will be kept for.

The Tories are scientifically stupid on this matter. They rule that no Scottish pensioners will lose WFA because of the climate. Yet Edinburgh has an average temperature higher than Durham, the Western Isles are some of the warmest parts of the country.

glw said:

Pong said:

Scott_P said:

Instead of reading PB this evening, I watched the Manchester gig, and despite not knowing some of the acts and many of the songs, it was fucking brilliant!

As for Jezzbollah, and his sudden conversion, this is awkward

https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/871457856415043584

And on police funding, is anyone seriously claiming that last night they needed more personnel or equipment to take down 3 attackers in 8 minutes

The sun have a tape of a private Milne/Corbyn phone conversation?

How?

Maybe there is a patriot in Labour HQ?

Unlikely

Pong said:

Scott_P said:

Instead of reading PB this evening, I watched the Manchester gig, and despite not knowing some of the acts and many of the songs, it was fucking brilliant!

As for Jezzbollah, and his sudden conversion, this is awkward

twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/871457856415043584

And on police funding, is anyone seriously claiming that last night they needed more personnel or equipment to take down 3 attackers in 8 minutes

The sun have a tape of a private Milne/Corbyn phone conversation?

How?

Here's the story -- https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3722457/jeremy-corbyns-spin-doctor-brands-idea-labour-leader-would-defend-uk-with-nukes-bonkers/

edit: the previous version I saw actually had the transcript.

RobD said:

dixiedean said:

Floater said:

MaxPB said:

That's actually a good headline for Theresa in the Guardian. The "enough is enough" phrase has definitely resonated today, again using my WhatsApp groups as vox pops loads of people agree with that sentiment, we've had enough of these attacks and it's time something was done to stop them.

You know I am no fan of Labour but this is just words Max.

All we get are words and platitudes.

Not exactly convinced "Enough is enough" is a good slogan for a Party in power for 7 years.

Did you se the stats on number of attacks they have thwarted? I think there was as many in the last 70 days as there were in the last five years, or something like that.

That was not my point at all. Just the subliminal message it sends out.

ISIS Barking Branch confirmed

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/871484332753506305