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One of us. One of us.Pulpstar said:
It gives an internal mental justification to tick the filthy Tory box.rottenborough said:0 -
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!Ave_it said:What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!0 -
All along the realistic goal of this election is to keep the Con majority small enough to fear the following election, and to allow real scrutiny by the opposition.Casino_Royale said:
GE2022 is your chance.Tykejohnno said:
A Labour leader who was proud of his/her country, who was pro brexit and tough on immigration would romp home.The_Apocalypse said:@bigjohnowls A left-wing leader with none of the problematic Trident/IRA views would romp home. I'd probably be voting for them, given May's deficiencies. Take that from the GE. Labour has a lot to smile about, despite my incessant moaning over the last week or so.
Ideally I would like the Tories to be in a minority government, but I will stick by my forecast of Con maj 76.0 -
Did I ever tell you the story of Darth Crosby the Wise?....nunu said:
One of us. One of us.Pulpstar said:
It gives an internal mental justification to tick the filthy Tory box.rottenborough said:
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Paul Mason: Corbyn HQ still preparing for a win or hung parliament.0
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Yeah, but as a part of a fully-costed manifesto. Maybe one for 2022.MaxPB said:
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!Ave_it said:What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!0 -
No, better return NI to its original principles of funding pensions, healthcare and welfareMaxPB said:
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!Ave_it said:What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!0 -
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.surbiton said:
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.The_Apocalypse said:
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.rottenborough said:
No, Andy is right.bigjohnowls said:
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear buttonAndyJS said:
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.bigjohnowls said:TBH I am depressed.
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.0 -
Go Max!
I agree abolish NI
And pay for it by abolishing tax credits which are not tax credits but handouts to spongers!!!!!
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No idea. I knew we gave it to India which I thought was dumb given their space programme but have never thought that individual examples of bad execution of a service was an excuse for abandoning it entirely. If it were we would have no public services at all.Yorkcity said:
Is it true the government gives North Korea aid money as suggested by a member of the audience tonight ?Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep and it was an open goal given that she has already committed to maintaining the 0.7% of GDP. These sorts of things should be trumpeted far and wide as they are positives which will cut through in what has been a thoroughly negative campaign so far from all sides.chrisb said:
The same could be said of foreign aid. I was hoping May might have made that point when questioned on it tonight.brokenwheel said:The issue of Trident isn't simply just the mechanics of deterrent.
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John Harris has done another one of his videos, this time in Moray.Ave_it said:LOL I really think SNP could implode
If we CON get 10 seats I am not upset if SLAB get 20
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2017/jun/01/a-fishy-business-why-the-tories-are-back-in-scotland-video0 -
The USA did during the famine.Yorkcity said:
Is it true the government gives North Korea aid money as suggested by a member of the audience tonight ?Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep and it was an open goal given that she has already committed to maintaining the 0.7% of GDP. These sorts of things should be trumpeted far and wide as they are positives which will cut through in what has been a thoroughly negative campaign so far from all sides.chrisb said:
The same could be said of foreign aid. I was hoping May might have made that point when questioned on it tonight.brokenwheel said:The issue of Trident isn't simply just the mechanics of deterrent.
https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/870745616133103616
Our stuff was English lessons for some of their government, and remedial training in phisiotherapy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/18/uk-gave-4-million-foreign-aid-north-korea-past-six-years/
Fairly light "soft diplomacy" really. The "English lessons" may well have really been intelligence gathering too.
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Ave_it
Ave it you have totally lost it!
The SNP are heading to a comfortable 50 seats without apparantly breaking sweat. If it turns into a hung parliament then they win. If it doesn't then they still win.
So get used to it guys.-1 -
Go on....RobD said:
Did I ever tell you the story of Darth Crosby the Wise?....nunu said:
One of us. One of us.Pulpstar said:
It gives an internal mental justification to tick the filthy Tory box.rottenborough said:0 -
There is a risk that people on here overestimate the importance of that QT.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
The electorate data out tonight is more important in my view.0 -
Mansfield indeed!rottenborough said:
https://www.channel4.com/news/tories-target-seat-held-by-labour-since-1923surbiton said:
Until the next poll.rottenborough said:Well, I suppose a week is a long time in politics, but frankly, I think this is over.
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The great thing about Corbyn during QT was his usual pivot trick caused the mishap. He started to waffle about Trident in an incredible way, a full 45 seconds of just pure gibberish getting onto world inequality at one point.
That's when the audience started to get irritable and it went downhill rapidly from there.0 -
It is payment for a specific service. The alternative is to get other people to pay for the service for you through taxation even if the chances are they will never need it. Which is in my mind far worse than being made to pay for it yourself if you have the funds available. What you are advocating is a form of old age sponging. Which I note you were happy to attack in an earlier posting.MaxPB said:
The hit on pensions will collectively be very small but will save the government billions to pay for social care which is disproportionately spent in pensioners. Working people already pay too much tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is not a tax and is a very big improvement on the current situation. Plus you will be hitting the poorest pensioners (those with only the state pension to rely on) hardest unless you are suggesting stealing money from people's private pension funds a la Gordon Brown.MaxPB said:
I'd rather the money be invested in expanding T-Levels and vocational education rather than grammar schools. I think if we fix the former the latter won't be necessary.Richard_Tyndall said:
The first two of those are not stupid at all, just very badly presented.MaxPB said:
And can we block her stupid ideas (grammar schools, dementia tax, racial pay charter, energy cap).TheScreamingEagles said:
No matter the majority, Mrs May has fatally damaged her reputation among Tories.GideonWise said:The question is, what happens when TMay returns with a similar mandate to what she already has?
It's a question of
1) When she goes in the next Parliament
2) Is it at a time of her own choosing
The dementia tax is an attack on property rights. It's not the policy of a Conservative or conservative. As I said we'd have been better off making pesnioners pay for it via real terms cuts in the state pension until such time as there is enough money to pay for social care. 1% absolute rises per year for 5 years would be enough on the current maths.
How confiscation of all but £100k of one's home equity isn't a tax is not clear to me. It is also an untenable attack in property and inheritance rights.0 -
It also happened closer to 10pm rather than 9pm.MikeL said:There is a risk that people on here overestimate the importance of that QT.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
The electorate data out tonight is more important in my view.0 -
just promise to raise the income tax allowence again paid for by cuts to sponger benefits.Ave_it said:What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!0 -
The only thing that matters is the clips that appear continually on the news - the actual show is always irrelevant only the repeated clips (for good or ill) matter..MikeL said:There is a risk that people on here overestimate the importance of that QT.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
The electorate data out tonight is more important in my view.0 -
I pointed that out earlier this evening!KentRising said:
Mansfield indeed!rottenborough said:
https://www.channel4.com/news/tories-target-seat-held-by-labour-since-1923surbiton said:
Until the next poll.rottenborough said:Well, I suppose a week is a long time in politics, but frankly, I think this is over.
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As I said, pay for it by limiting the state pension to 1% annual rises for around 5 years. Collectively this will raise/save a lot of money but individuals will barely feel it.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is payment for a specific service. The alternative is to get other people to pay for the service for you through taxation even if the chances are they will never need it. Which is in my mind far worse than being made to pay for it yourself if you have the funds available. What you are advocating is a form of old age sponging. Which I note you were happy to attack in an earlier posting.MaxPB said:
The hit on pensions will collectively be very small but will save the government billions to pay for social care which is disproportionately spent in pensioners. Working people already pay too much tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is not a tax and is a very big improvement on the current situation. Plus you will be hitting the poorest pensioners (those with only the state pension to rely on) hardest unless you are suggesting stealing money from people's private pension funds a la Gordon Brown.MaxPB said:
I'd rather the money be invested in expanding T-Levels and vocational education rather than grammar schools. I think if we fix the former the latter won't be necessary.Richard_Tyndall said:
The first two of those are not stupid at all, just very badly presented.MaxPB said:
And can we block her stupid ideas (grammar schools, dementia tax, racial pay charter, energy cap).TheScreamingEagles said:
No matter the majority, Mrs May has fatally damaged her reputation among Tories.GideonWise said:The question is, what happens when TMay returns with a similar mandate to what she already has?
It's a question of
1) When she goes in the next Parliament
2) Is it at a time of her own choosing
The dementia tax is an attack on property rights. It's not the policy of a Conservative or conservative. As I said we'd have been better off making pesnioners pay for it via real terms cuts in the state pension until such time as there is enough money to pay for social care. 1% absolute rises per year for 5 years would be enough on the current maths.
How confiscation of all but £100k of one's home equity isn't a tax is not clear to me. It is also an untenable attack in property and inheritance rights.0 -
Yes.Richard_Tyndall said:
Serious question unrelated to Corbyn. Do you not think that the fact the UK and France have nuclear weapons has been or might be at least a small deterrent to Putin if the US becomes increasingly estranged from Europe?Jonathan said:If a situation arose where pushing the button would save lives net, I would push it. That's what Corbyn had to say tonight.
But if anyone out there believes that our nuclear weapons deter in any way the kind of nutters we face today, they are living in cloud cuckoo land.0 -
Ave it, lost it ! Rhymes well. He lost it when he stopped voting Labour. Then again, he supports Watford.................scotslass said:Ave_it
Ave it you have totally lost it!
The SNP are heading to a comfortable 50 seats without apparantly breaking sweat. If it turns into a hung parliament then they win. If it doesn't then they still win.
So get used to it guys.0 -
I did notice today that if you have 3 children in childcare you can earn up to £65,000 a year and still get tax credits. That is seriously f***ked up.Ave_it said:Go Max!
I agree abolish NI
And pay for it by abolishing tax credits which are not tax credits but handouts to spongers!!!!!0 -
I agree we over egg the direct effect. But the indirect effect is the impact on morale and momentum.MikeL said:There is a risk that people on here overestimate the importance of that QT.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
The electorate data out tonight is more important in my view.
The surge from corbyn this last few weeks has been incredible. Now the Tories have a clear strategy to attack him and it has been described on this site well by Richard Nabavi.0 -
I thought not. It's not a story the lefties would tell you. It's a PB Tory Legend. Darth Crosby was a Dark Lord of the Polls, so powerful and so wise he could use his targeted advertising to influence the voters to create Tory majorities…nunu said:
Go on....RobD said:
Did I ever tell you the story of Darth Crosby the Wise?....nunu said:
One of us. One of us.Pulpstar said:
It gives an internal mental justification to tick the filthy Tory box.rottenborough said:
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Yeah, the debates in 2015 didn't do a thing to change the polls. Even after Miliband's reply about spending too much,MikeL said:There is a risk that people on here overestimate the importance of that QT.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
The electorate data out tonight is more important in my view.0 -
I have been busy with brandy in my local hostelry. As a possible Con gain?Richard_Tyndall said:
I pointed that out earlier this evening!KentRising said:
Mansfield indeed!rottenborough said:
https://www.channel4.com/news/tories-target-seat-held-by-labour-since-1923surbiton said:
Until the next poll.rottenborough said:Well, I suppose a week is a long time in politics, but frankly, I think this is over.
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I agree, with the exception of terrorism offences. These things in practice are more difficult than they are in theory, unfortunately.AndyJS said:
Only the DNA of convicted criminals ought to be kept on the database in my opinion, even if that makes it more difficult to trace people later on.Sandpit said:
There have been cases of things like a man bought in for drinking and driving gives a fingerprint or DNA match for an unsolved murder from 20 years ago, not sure how deleting his DNA if he's innocent of the drink driving charge stops the police making a match though.tlg86 said:
I'd be curious to know how often innocent people are then done for something else due to their DNA being on the database.TheScreamingEagles said:
IIRC Abbott wanted to wipe the DNA of innocent people.foxinsoxuk said:
Under current rules if you're arrested for a trigger offence, your DNA is taken.
But if no charges are brought or the person is found not guilty, Abbott wanted that person's record wiping.
I'd imagine the issue under discussion is the other way around - if they arrest a friend of last week's terrorist, but have to let him go and delete his record. A year later another bomb turns up with his DNA all over it, but the police can't match the samples to that guy any more because he wasn't charged.0 -
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So who's paying for the social care?MaxPB said:
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!Ave_it said:What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!0 -
Tax pensions at 100%!Sandpit said:
So who's paying for the social care?MaxPB said:
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!Ave_it said:What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!0 -
The bit with the partial sighted girl will be good for TV. She was nearly breaking down.eek said:
The only thing that matters is the clips that appear continually on the news - the actual show is always irrelevant only the repeated clips (for good or ill) matter..MikeL said:There is a risk that people on here overestimate the importance of that QT.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
The electorate data out tonight is more important in my view.0 -
I should have copyrighted 'Theresa May is a pound shop Gordon Brown'Scott_P said:Plagiarism is so unattractive...
https://twitter.com/davidtorrance/status/8707681809223925760 -
Catching up with QT.
I think Theresa did well. Easily her most assured performance of the campaign.
She dealt with the emotional partially sighted lady very well.
Now on to Jezz!0 -
Sandpit said:
I agree, with the exception of terrorism offences. These things in practice are more difficult than they are in theory, unfortunately.AndyJS said:
Only the DNA of convicted criminals ought to be kept on the database in my opinion, even if that makes it more difficult to trace people later on.Sandpit said:
There have been cases of things like a man bought in for drinking and driving gives a fingerprint or DNA match for an unsolved murder from 20 years ago, not sure how deleting his DNA if he's innocent of the drink driving charge stops the police making a match though.tlg86 said:
I'd be curious to know how often innocent people are then done for something else due to their DNA being on the database.TheScreamingEagles said:
IIRC Abbott wanted to wipe the DNA of innocent people.foxinsoxuk said:
Under current rules if you're arrested for a trigger offence, your DNA is taken.
But if no charges are brought or the person is found not guilty, Abbott wanted that person's record wiping.
I'd imagine the issue under discussion is the other way around - if they arrest a friend of last week's terrorist, but have to let him go and delete his record. A year later another bomb turns up with his DNA all over it, but the police can't match the samples to that guy any more because he wasn't charged.
And they create an awful lot of noise.
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That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.The_Apocalypse said:
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.surbiton said:
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.The_Apocalypse said:
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.rottenborough said:
No, Andy is right.bigjohnowls said:
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear buttonAndyJS said:
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.bigjohnowls said:TBH I am depressed.
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
But I always stay loyal to my party.0 -
No. I am not that brave. I was pointing out how ridiculous it seemed to be campaigning in a seat that has been Labour since 1923 and has had the same sitting MP (who is standing again) since 1987.KentRising said:
I have been busy with brandy in my local hostelry. As a possible Con gain?Richard_Tyndall said:
I pointed that out earlier this evening!KentRising said:
Mansfield indeed!rottenborough said:
https://www.channel4.com/news/tories-target-seat-held-by-labour-since-1923surbiton said:
Until the next poll.rottenborough said:Well, I suppose a week is a long time in politics, but frankly, I think this is over.
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If the SNP poll below the 45% Yes got in 2014 it will certainly not be great news for the SNP, especially if combined with Angus Robertson losing his seatscotslass said:Ave_it
Ave it you have totally lost it!
The SNP are heading to a comfortable 50 seats without apparantly breaking sweat. If it turns into a hung parliament then they win. If it doesn't then they still win.
So get used to it guys.0 -
Scotslass and Surbiton good luck with that!surbiton said:
Ave it, lost it ! Rhymes well. He lost it when he stopped voting Labour. Then again, he supports Watford.................scotslass said:Ave_it
Ave it you have totally lost it!
The SNP are heading to a comfortable 50 seats without apparantly breaking sweat. If it turns into a hung parliament then they win. If it doesn't then they still win.
So get used to it guys.
SNP 45 max more likely 35
Surbiton =
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I do not think that will be the story.foxinsoxuk said:
The bit with the partial sighted girl will be good for TV. She was nearly breaking down.eek said:
The only thing that matters is the clips that appear continually on the news - the actual show is always irrelevant only the repeated clips (for good or ill) matter..MikeL said:There is a risk that people on here overestimate the importance of that QT.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
The electorate data out tonight is more important in my view.
It will be interesting to see if the journalists start chasing Corbyn and harassing him about nuclear at his appearances this weekend0 -
That is gibberish. The fundamental rule is, if you contract with someone for personal services you pay them for those services; if you have to sell your house to raise the money, you have to sell your house. State intervention privileging n thousand pounds from being at risk is interference in your favour. It just looks like a tax to you because the caring business looks to you like the health business and you think it should work like the NHS. It doesn't. You are implicitly arguing for a huge extension of the welfare state but unless and until that happens, the dementia tax is no such thing.MaxPB said:
The hit on pensions will collectively be very small but will save the government billions to pay for social care which is disproportionately spent in pensioners. Working people already pay too much tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is not a tax and is a very big improvement on the current situation. Plus you will be hitting the poorest pensioners (those with only the state pension to rely on) hardest unless you are suggesting stealing money from people's private pension funds a la Gordon Brown.MaxPB said:
I'd rather the money be invested in expanding T-Levels and vocational education rather than grammar schools. I think if we fix the former the latter won't be necessary.Richard_Tyndall said:
The first two of those are not stupid at all, just very badly presented.MaxPB said:
And can we block her stupid ideas (grammar schools, dementia tax, racial pay charter, energy cap).TheScreamingEagles said:
No matter the majority, Mrs May has fatally damaged her reputation among Tories.GideonWise said:The question is, what happens when TMay returns with a similar mandate to what she already has?
It's a question of
1) When she goes in the next Parliament
2) Is it at a time of her own choosing
The dementia tax is an attack on property rights. It's not the policy of a Conservative or conservative. As I said we'd have been better off making pesnioners pay for it via real terms cuts in the state pension until such time as there is enough money to pay for social care. 1% absolute rises per year for 5 years would be enough on the current maths.
How confiscation of all but £100k of one's home equity isn't a tax is not clear to me. It is also an untenable attack in property and inheritance rights.0 -
Yes we will win Mansfield cheerio Meale
And Derbyshire NE
Not hopeful in Enfield N
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lol ,you were going to vote lib dem because you hate the tories more.surbiton said:
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.The_Apocalypse said:
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.surbiton said:
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.The_Apocalypse said:
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.rottenborough said:
No, Andy is right.bigjohnowls said:
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear buttonAndyJS said:
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.bigjohnowls said:TBH I am depressed.
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
But I always stay loyal to my party.0 -
Why? Even if they put forward vile filth as the top team you still would vote for them?surbiton said:
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.The_Apocalypse said:
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.surbiton said:
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.The_Apocalypse said:
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.rottenborough said:
No, Andy is right.bigjohnowls said:
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear buttonAndyJS said:
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.bigjohnowls said:TBH I am depressed.
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
But I always stay loyal to my party.
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It's either a sign of an ad-hoc, shambolic Tory campaign or a sign CCHQ is getting the sort of numbers we ain't seeing. We'll know this time next week,Richard_Tyndall said:
No. I am not that brave. I was pointing out how ridiculous it seemed to be campaigning in a seat that has been Labour since 1923 and has had the same sitting MP (who is standing again) since 1987.KentRising said:
I have been busy with brandy in my local hostelry. As a possible Con gain?Richard_Tyndall said:
I pointed that out earlier this evening!KentRising said:
Mansfield indeed!rottenborough said:
https://www.channel4.com/news/tories-target-seat-held-by-labour-since-1923surbiton said:
Until the next poll.rottenborough said:Well, I suppose a week is a long time in politics, but frankly, I think this is over.
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Must be weird basing your vote on which party you hate the most.Tykejohnno said:
lol ,you were going to vote lib dem because you hate the tories more.surbiton said:
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.The_Apocalypse said:
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.surbiton said:
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.The_Apocalypse said:
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.rottenborough said:
No, Andy is right.bigjohnowls said:
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear buttonAndyJS said:
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.bigjohnowls said:TBH I am depressed.
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
But I always stay loyal to my party.0 -
That, if you will excuse me, is your error. You should stay loyal to your principles not to a party. If that party moves away from your principles or, as in this case, elects a leader who is clearly a liability (a fact only masked by the complete idiocy of May) and everyone moves with it out of loyalty then it is doomed. Better to stand on your principles in the hope others will stand with you. In that case it will be much easier to bring your party back to where you want it to be.surbiton said:
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.
But I always stay loyal to my party.
My party right or wrong is just as bad as my country right or wrong.
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I can't be loyal to Labour when I believe that Corbyn would genuinely be a bad thing for the country. I never thought that about either Yvette or Ed. Indeed, anyone outside Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott in the Labour party would be a great thing for this country given what a May Tory government looks like. Right now we need a moderate, centre-left government in this country more than ever, but Corbyn (and no one really) isn't offering that.surbiton said:
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.The_Apocalypse said:
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.surbiton said:
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.The_Apocalypse said:
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.rottenborough said:
No, Andy is right.bigjohnowls said:
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear buttonAndyJS said:
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.bigjohnowls said:TBH I am depressed.
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
But I always stay loyal to my party.0 -
Michael Fallon in addition to attacking Corbyn on defence has announced that no higher rate taxpayers will pay anymore in raised tax under the conservatives0
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You know what. It's time somebody called out the dog whistle racism behind Tory insults to Diane Abbott and I just decided to do it
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Tax the contributions or the payments? Or do you mean eliminate the tax relief on contributions so that most people don't bother?MaxPB said:
Tax pensions at 100%!Sandpit said:
So who's paying for the social care?MaxPB said:
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!Ave_it said:What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
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Now was this not a much fairer and balanced audience?0
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Wot he saidIshmael_Z said:
That is gibberish. The fundamental rule is, if you contract with someone for personal services you pay them for those services; if you have to sell your house to raise the money, you have to sell your house. State intervention privileging n thousand pounds from being at risk is interference in your favour. It just looks like a tax to you because the caring business looks to you like the health business and you think it should work like the NHS. It doesn't. You are implicitly arguing for a huge extension of the welfare state but unless and until that happens, the dementia tax is no such thing.MaxPB said:
The hit on pensions will collectively be very small but will save the government billions to pay for social care which is disproportionately spent in pensioners. Working people already pay too much tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is not a tax and is a very big improvement on the current situation. Plus you will be hitting the poorest pensioners (those with only the state pension to rely on) hardest unless you are suggesting stealing money from people's private pension funds a la Gordon Brown.MaxPB said:
I'd rather the money be invested in expanding T-Levels and vocational education rather than grammar schools. I think if we fix the former the latter won't be necessary.Richard_Tyndall said:
The first two of those are not stupid at all, just very badly presented.MaxPB said:
And can we block her stupid ideas (grammar schools, dementia tax, racial pay charter, energy cap).TheScreamingEagles said:
No matter the majority, Mrs May has fatally damaged her reputation among Tories.GideonWise said:The question is, what happens when TMay returns with a similar mandate to what she already has?
It's a question of
1) When she goes in the next Parliament
2) Is it at a time of her own choosing
The dementia tax is an attack on property rights. It's not the policy of a Conservative or conservative. As I said we'd have been better off making pesnioners pay for it via real terms cuts in the state pension until such time as there is enough money to pay for social care. 1% absolute rises per year for 5 years would be enough on the current maths.
How confiscation of all but £100k of one's home equity isn't a tax is not clear to me. It is also an untenable attack in property and inheritance rights.
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Except May still had the guts to call an election less than a year into her Premiership unlike Gordon and it still looks like she will be returned to power afterScott_P said:Plagiarism is so unattractive...
https://twitter.com/davidtorrance/status/8707681809223925760 -
Watching QT on iPlayer now.
1) Decent audience, more properly representative (seemingly)
2) Someone put something in Tezza's tea. Bit of energy for once and much, much clearer.0 -
Important for Mulholland, "Conservatives can't win here" squeeze literature will have to have effort redoubled in Otley.MikeL said:There is a risk that people on here overestimate the importance of that QT.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
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LOL. What?marke09 said:@paulmasonnews
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/18/uk-gave-4-million-foreign-aid-north-korea-past-six-years/Yorkcity said:
Is it true the government gives North Korea aid money as suggested by a member of the audience tonight ?Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep and it was an open goal given that she has already committed to maintaining the 0.7% of GDP. These sorts of things should be trumpeted far and wide as they are positives which will cut through in what has been a thoroughly negative campaign so far from all sides.chrisb said:
The same could be said of foreign aid. I was hoping May might have made that point when questioned on it tonight.brokenwheel said:The issue of Trident isn't simply just the mechanics of deterrent.
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There should be no tax on pension contributions or pensions cos that is what hard working people have paid forSandpit said:
Tax the contributions or the payments? Or do you mean eliminate the tax relief on contributions so that most people don't bother?MaxPB said:
Tax pensions at 100%!Sandpit said:
So who's paying for the social care?MaxPB said:
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!Ave_it said:What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!
Thanks for capping my pension Osborne - I can't rely on share income from expensive wallpaper like some can!
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How has Newsnight got the gall to have Mason back on as a pundit when he was their economics editor only a few years ago?
He's not even a moderate pundit, he's an extremist. It should be quite embarrassing for them but apparently not.0 -
Ashcroft gets to the crunch in his last focus group
'If Jeremy Corbyn were a biscuit, what kind of biscuit would he be? “A Jammie Dodger. He dodges all the important questions.” “A Custard Cream. It’s not something you’d go, ‘ooh, I want a Custard Cream’. I’d take it if it was given to me, I wouldn’t choose it off the shelf.” “Bourbon. The kind that nobody really wants but it’s often the only one left.” “Hard tack army rations. They taste horrible, they don’t fill you up, they’re not much use for anything.” “A Digestive. You can dunk him and he tastes nicer.” What? “He’s a nice and comforting Digestive.”
And if the Leader of the Opposition were a drink? “A smoothie or something, made out of something organic and foul.” “Ale. A down-to-earth pint. Something your dad would drink, your Grampy.” “Bitter lemon. Because he’s bitter, and a lemon.”
What about if Theresa May were a drink? “Bailey’s or prosecco. Because she’s sophisticated, she’s classy.” “Strong builder’s tea that you forgot to drink and it’s gone cold.” “A glass of water. You need it to survive, but there’s nothing to it.” “A double vodka. Comes with a kick.”
And if the Prime Minister were a biscuit? “A Marks & Spencer selection”. “A Viennese Whirl, or something like that.” “A chocolate Hobnob.” That’s a pretty fancy biscuit. “Well, she’s up herself, isn’t she, and so are chocolate Hobnobs.” “A Jaffa Cake. She’s nice on the outside, but I don’t like the middle of a Jaffa Cake.” “A cookie. They’re tough, and they crumble.” “One of them hard ones at the bottom of the tin that have been there six months. It looks quite nice but you bite it and break all your teeth.”
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/06/lord-ashcroft-she-called-the-snap-election-and-cant-be-bothered-turning-up-to-it-my-final-general-election-focus-groups.html0 -
Heh, if that's what it sounds like it doesn't sound like an election-winning new line of attack to me. How many of the (not terribly numerous as % of the population) higher-rate taxpayers were considering voting Corbyn in the hope he would protect them from evil Tory tax rises - and will now be reassured that it is safe to vote Conservative again?Big_G_NorthWales said:Michael Fallon in addition to attacking Corbyn on defence has announced that no higher rate taxpayers will pay anymore in raised tax under the conservatives
Doesn't this mean that the tax we all know needs to be raised is going to be squeezed out of other people? Like, erm, "ordinary people", JAMs and swing voters maybe?0 -
Lab maj was only 5,000 with Cameron as Tory leader.KentRising said:
Mansfield indeed!rottenborough said:
https://www.channel4.com/news/tories-target-seat-held-by-labour-since-1923surbiton said:
Until the next poll.rottenborough said:Well, I suppose a week is a long time in politics, but frankly, I think this is over.
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Hmm To be fair to Surbiton Labour can't win in Surbiton though. So he needs to go with his next favourite choice to keep the party out that he doesn't want to win there.RobD said:
Must be weird basing your vote on which party you hate the most.Tykejohnno said:
lol ,you were going to vote lib dem because you hate the tories more.surbiton said:
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.The_Apocalypse said:
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.surbiton said:
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.The_Apocalypse said:
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.rottenborough said:
No, Andy is right.bigjohnowls said:
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear buttonAndyJS said:
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.bigjohnowls said:TBH I am depressed.
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
But I always stay loyal to my party.
Just a feature of FPTP that a "top" preference can't be explicitly expressed.0 -
It is care and I don't see why it isn't funded in the same way as the NHS. It's not a huge extension of the welfare state since state provision already exists for social care, it is just chargeable until a person reaches "continuing care" and then it is paid for by the NHS.Ishmael_Z said:That is gibberish. The fundamental rule is, if you contract with someone for personal services you pay them for those services; if you have to sell your house to raise the money, you have to sell your house. State intervention privileging n thousand pounds from being at risk is interference in your favour. It just looks like a tax to you because the caring business looks to you like the health business and you think it should work like the NHS. It doesn't. You are implicitly arguing for a huge extension of the welfare state but unless and until that happens, the dementia tax is no such thing.
If we're going to have private provision then just go all in and have nothing available like it currently is, or if we're going to have a state healthcare service then do it that way. This halfway house is stupid and a completely stupid attack on property rights by a party which is supposed to be in favour of property rights.0 -
A John Harris special from north-east Scotland:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2017/jun/01/a-fishy-business-why-the-tories-are-back-in-scotland-video0 -
Well if you do that, Surbiton is guaranteed never to be Labour.Pulpstar said:
Hmm To be fair to Surbiton Labour can't win in Surbiton though. So he needs to go with his next favourite choice to keep the party out that he doesn't want to win there.
Just a feature of FPTP that a "top" preference can't be explicitly expressed.0 -
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/870767300881809408
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Fairly important news: the oil price has dipped below $50 for the first time in months.
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Payments!Sandpit said:
Tax the contributions or the payments? Or do you mean eliminate the tax relief on contributions so that most people don't bother?MaxPB said:
Tax pensions at 100%!Sandpit said:
So who's paying for the social care?MaxPB said:
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!Ave_it said:What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!0 -
That's life !RobD said:
Well if you do that, Surbiton is guaranteed never to be Labour.Pulpstar said:
Hmm To be fair to Surbiton Labour can't win in Surbiton though. So he needs to go with his next favourite choice to keep the party out that he doesn't want to win there.
Just a feature of FPTP that a "top" preference can't be explicitly expressed.0 -
Interesting that we didn't have a poll on who won either of the debates.0
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Gosh he's such a dickhead.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/870767300881809408
Paul MasonVerified account
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Low corporation tax and attracting lots of business and start ups to invest in the economy, creating jobs paying tax for public services. That is how it worksMyBurningEars said:
Heh, if that's what it sounds like it doesn't sound like an election-winning new line of attack to me. How many of the (not terribly numerous as % of the population) higher-rate taxpayers were considering voting Corbyn in the hope he would protect them from evil Tory tax rises - and will now be reassured that it is safe to vote Conservative again?Big_G_NorthWales said:Michael Fallon in addition to attacking Corbyn on defence has announced that no higher rate taxpayers will pay anymore in raised tax under the conservatives
Doesn't this mean that the tax we all know needs to be raised is going to be squeezed out of other people? Like, erm, "ordinary people", JAMs and swing voters maybe?0 -
Being shit at numbers is now racist, apparently.
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Errr... it spent much of May below $50.AndyJS said:Fairly important news: the oil price has dipped below $50 for the first time in months.
https://www.bloomberg.com/energy
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Just told my mother (who is Black, and like Diane is the daughter of Jamacian immigrants) about Paul Mason claiming that the Tory attacks towards Diane Abbott are 'dog whistle' racism and she said 'BS.'0
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*Not* being shit at numbers. Apparently.Sandpit said:Being shit at numbers is now racist, apparently.
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Sounds like she's lost her patience with Labour !The_Apocalypse said:Just told my mother (who is Black, and like Diane is the daughter of Jamacian immigrants) about Paul Mason claiming that the Tory attacks towards Diane Abbott are 'dog whistle' racism and she said 'BS.'
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The comments are even better. Yes pointing out her ineptitude is racist. No it isn't. Yes it isTykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/870767300881809408
Paul MasonVerified account
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I don't understand why dead people should have property rights?MaxPB said:
It is care and I don't see why it isn't funded in the same way as the NHS. It's not a huge extension of the welfare state since state provision already exists for social care, it is just chargeable until a person reaches "continuing care" and then it is paid for by the NHS.Ishmael_Z said:That is gibberish. The fundamental rule is, if you contract with someone for personal services you pay them for those services; if you have to sell your house to raise the money, you have to sell your house. State intervention privileging n thousand pounds from being at risk is interference in your favour. It just looks like a tax to you because the caring business looks to you like the health business and you think it should work like the NHS. It doesn't. You are implicitly arguing for a huge extension of the welfare state but unless and until that happens, the dementia tax is no such thing.
If we're going to have private provision then just go all in and have nothing available like it currently is, or if we're going to have a state healthcare service then do it that way. This halfway house is stupid and a completely stupid attack on property rights by a party which is supposed to be in favour of property rights.0 -
This is the result of the left diluting the word "racist" and "Nazi".The_Apocalypse said:Just told my mother (who is Black, and like Diane is the daughter of Jamacian immigrants) about Paul Mason claiming that the Tory attacks towards Diane Abbott are 'dog whistle' racism and she said 'BS.'
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I don't think Newsnight does embarrassment, they keep putting cub reporter Maitlis on don't they.GideonWise said:How has Newsnight got the gall to have Mason back on as a pundit when he was their economics editor only a few years ago?
He's not even a moderate pundit, he's an extremist. It should be quite embarrassing for them but apparently not.0 -
The Tories have been slamming Abbott as part of a 'terrible triumvirate', with Corbyn and McDonnell. Are the Tories being racist towards them as well?0
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I thought Brent Crude had been above $50 until today but maybe I was wrong.rcs1000 said:
Errr... it spent much of May below $50.AndyJS said:Fairly important news: the oil price has dipped below $50 for the first time in months.
https://www.bloomberg.com/energy
See: https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/CL1:COM0
