What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
@bigjohnowls A left-wing leader with none of the problematic Trident/IRA views would romp home. I'd probably be voting for them, given May's deficiencies. Take that from the GE. Labour has a lot to smile about, despite my incessant moaning over the last week or so.
A Labour leader who was proud of his/her country, who was pro brexit and tough on immigration would romp home.
GE2022 is your chance.
All along the realistic goal of this election is to keep the Con majority small enough to fear the following election, and to allow real scrutiny by the opposition.
Ideally I would like the Tories to be in a minority government, but I will stick by my forecast of Con maj 76.
What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!
Yeah, but as a part of a fully-costed manifesto. Maybe one for 2022.
What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!
No, better return NI to its original principles of funding pensions, healthcare and welfare
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear button
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
No, Andy is right.
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
The same could be said of foreign aid. I was hoping May might have made that point when questioned on it tonight.
Yep and it was an open goal given that she has already committed to maintaining the 0.7% of GDP. These sorts of things should be trumpeted far and wide as they are positives which will cut through in what has been a thoroughly negative campaign so far from all sides.
Is it true the government gives North Korea aid money as suggested by a member of the audience tonight ?
No idea. I knew we gave it to India which I thought was dumb given their space programme but have never thought that individual examples of bad execution of a service was an excuse for abandoning it entirely. If it were we would have no public services at all.
The SNP are heading to a comfortable 50 seats without apparantly breaking sweat. If it turns into a hung parliament then they win. If it doesn't then they still win.
The same could be said of foreign aid. I was hoping May might have made that point when questioned on it tonight.
Yep and it was an open goal given that she has already committed to maintaining the 0.7% of GDP. These sorts of things should be trumpeted far and wide as they are positives which will cut through in what has been a thoroughly negative campaign so far from all sides.
Is it true the government gives North Korea aid money as suggested by a member of the audience tonight ?
The USA did during the famine.
Our stuff was English lessons for some of their government, and remedial training in phisiotherapy.
The great thing about Corbyn during QT was his usual pivot trick caused the mishap. He started to waffle about Trident in an incredible way, a full 45 seconds of just pure gibberish getting onto world inequality at one point.
That's when the audience started to get irritable and it went downhill rapidly from there.
The question is, what happens when TMay returns with a similar mandate to what she already has?
No matter the majority, Mrs May has fatally damaged her reputation among Tories.
It's a question of
1) When she goes in the next Parliament
2) Is it at a time of her own choosing
And can we block her stupid ideas (grammar schools, dementia tax, racial pay charter, energy cap).
The first two of those are not stupid at all, just very badly presented.
I'd rather the money be invested in expanding T-Levels and vocational education rather than grammar schools. I think if we fix the former the latter won't be necessary.
The dementia tax is an attack on property rights. It's not the policy of a Conservative or conservative. As I said we'd have been better off making pesnioners pay for it via real terms cuts in the state pension until such time as there is enough money to pay for social care. 1% absolute rises per year for 5 years would be enough on the current maths.
It is not a tax and is a very big improvement on the current situation. Plus you will be hitting the poorest pensioners (those with only the state pension to rely on) hardest unless you are suggesting stealing money from people's private pension funds a la Gordon Brown.
The hit on pensions will collectively be very small but will save the government billions to pay for social care which is disproportionately spent in pensioners. Working people already pay too much tax.
How confiscation of all but £100k of one's home equity isn't a tax is not clear to me. It is also an untenable attack in property and inheritance rights.
It is payment for a specific service. The alternative is to get other people to pay for the service for you through taxation even if the chances are they will never need it. Which is in my mind far worse than being made to pay for it yourself if you have the funds available. What you are advocating is a form of old age sponging. Which I note you were happy to attack in an earlier posting.
What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!
just promise to raise the income tax allowence again paid for by cuts to sponger benefits.
There is a risk that people on here overestimate the importance of that QT.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
The electorate data out tonight is more important in my view.
The only thing that matters is the clips that appear continually on the news - the actual show is always irrelevant only the repeated clips (for good or ill) matter..
The question is, what happens when TMay returns with a similar mandate to what she already has?
No matter the majority, Mrs May has fatally damaged her reputation among Tories.
It's a question of
1) When she goes in the next Parliament
2) Is it at a time of her own choosing
And can we block her stupid ideas (grammar schools, dementia tax, racial pay charter, energy cap).
The first two of those are not stupid at all, just very badly presented.
I'd rather the money be invested in expanding T-Levels and vocational education rather than grammar schools. I think if we fix the former the latter won't be necessary.
The dementia tax is an attack on property rights. It's not the policy of a Conservative or conservative. As I said we'd have been better off making pesnioners pay for it via real terms cuts in the state pension until such time as there is enough money to pay for social care. 1% absolute rises per year for 5 years would be enough on the current maths.
It is not a tax and is a very big improvement on the current situation. Plus you will be hitting the poorest pensioners (those with only the state pension to rely on) hardest unless you are suggesting stealing money from people's private pension funds a la Gordon Brown.
The hit on pensions will collectively be very small but will save the government billions to pay for social care which is disproportionately spent in pensioners. Working people already pay too much tax.
How confiscation of all but £100k of one's home equity isn't a tax is not clear to me. It is also an untenable attack in property and inheritance rights.
It is payment for a specific service. The alternative is to get other people to pay for the service for you through taxation even if the chances are they will never need it. Which is in my mind far worse than being made to pay for it yourself if you have the funds available. What you are advocating is a form of old age sponging. Which I note you were happy to attack in an earlier posting.
As I said, pay for it by limiting the state pension to 1% annual rises for around 5 years. Collectively this will raise/save a lot of money but individuals will barely feel it.
If a situation arose where pushing the button would save lives net, I would push it. That's what Corbyn had to say tonight.
But if anyone out there believes that our nuclear weapons deter in any way the kind of nutters we face today, they are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Serious question unrelated to Corbyn. Do you not think that the fact the UK and France have nuclear weapons has been or might be at least a small deterrent to Putin if the US becomes increasingly estranged from Europe?
The SNP are heading to a comfortable 50 seats without apparantly breaking sweat. If it turns into a hung parliament then they win. If it doesn't then they still win.
So get used to it guys.
Ave it, lost it ! Rhymes well. He lost it when he stopped voting Labour. Then again, he supports Watford.................
There is a risk that people on here overestimate the importance of that QT.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
The electorate data out tonight is more important in my view.
I agree we over egg the direct effect. But the indirect effect is the impact on morale and momentum.
The surge from corbyn this last few weeks has been incredible. Now the Tories have a clear strategy to attack him and it has been described on this site well by Richard Nabavi.
It gives an internal mental justification to tick the filthy Tory box.
One of us. One of us.
Did I ever tell you the story of Darth Crosby the Wise?....
Go on....
I thought not. It's not a story the lefties would tell you. It's a PB Tory Legend. Darth Crosby was a Dark Lord of the Polls, so powerful and so wise he could use his targeted advertising to influence the voters to create Tory majorities…
IIRC Abbott wanted to wipe the DNA of innocent people.
Under current rules if you're arrested for a trigger offence, your DNA is taken.
But if no charges are brought or the person is found not guilty, Abbott wanted that person's record wiping.
I'd be curious to know how often innocent people are then done for something else due to their DNA being on the database.
There have been cases of things like a man bought in for drinking and driving gives a fingerprint or DNA match for an unsolved murder from 20 years ago, not sure how deleting his DNA if he's innocent of the drink driving charge stops the police making a match though.
I'd imagine the issue under discussion is the other way around - if they arrest a friend of last week's terrorist, but have to let him go and delete his record. A year later another bomb turns up with his DNA all over it, but the police can't match the samples to that guy any more because he wasn't charged.
Only the DNA of convicted criminals ought to be kept on the database in my opinion, even if that makes it more difficult to trace people later on.
I agree, with the exception of terrorism offences. These things in practice are more difficult than they are in theory, unfortunately.
What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
There is a risk that people on here overestimate the importance of that QT.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
The electorate data out tonight is more important in my view.
The only thing that matters is the clips that appear continually on the news - the actual show is always irrelevant only the repeated clips (for good or ill) matter..
The bit with the partial sighted girl will be good for TV. She was nearly breaking down.
IIRC Abbott wanted to wipe the DNA of innocent people.
Under current rules if you're arrested for a trigger offence, your DNA is taken.
But if no charges are brought or the person is found not guilty, Abbott wanted that person's record wiping.
I'd be curious to know how often innocent people are then done for something else due to their DNA being on the database.
There have been cases of things like a man bought in for drinking and driving gives a fingerprint or DNA match for an unsolved murder from 20 years ago, not sure how deleting his DNA if he's innocent of the drink driving charge stops the police making a match though.
I'd imagine the issue under discussion is the other way around - if they arrest a friend of last week's terrorist, but have to let him go and delete his record. A year later another bomb turns up with his DNA all over it, but the police can't match the samples to that guy any more because he wasn't charged.
Only the DNA of convicted criminals ought to be kept on the database in my opinion, even if that makes it more difficult to trace people later on.
I agree, with the exception of terrorism offences. These things in practice are more difficult than they are in theory, unfortunately.
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear button
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
No, Andy is right.
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.
I have been busy with brandy in my local hostelry. As a possible Con gain?
No. I am not that brave. I was pointing out how ridiculous it seemed to be campaigning in a seat that has been Labour since 1923 and has had the same sitting MP (who is standing again) since 1987.
The SNP are heading to a comfortable 50 seats without apparantly breaking sweat. If it turns into a hung parliament then they win. If it doesn't then they still win.
So get used to it guys.
If the SNP poll below the 45% Yes got in 2014 it will certainly not be great news for the SNP, especially if combined with Angus Robertson losing his seat
The SNP are heading to a comfortable 50 seats without apparantly breaking sweat. If it turns into a hung parliament then they win. If it doesn't then they still win.
So get used to it guys.
Ave it, lost it ! Rhymes well. He lost it when he stopped voting Labour. Then again, he supports Watford.................
There is a risk that people on here overestimate the importance of that QT.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
The electorate data out tonight is more important in my view.
The only thing that matters is the clips that appear continually on the news - the actual show is always irrelevant only the repeated clips (for good or ill) matter..
The bit with the partial sighted girl will be good for TV. She was nearly breaking down.
I do not think that will be the story.
It will be interesting to see if the journalists start chasing Corbyn and harassing him about nuclear at his appearances this weekend
The question is, what happens when TMay returns with a similar mandate to what she already has?
No matter the majority, Mrs May has fatally damaged her reputation among Tories.
It's a question of
1) When she goes in the next Parliament
2) Is it at a time of her own choosing
And can we block her stupid ideas (grammar schools, dementia tax, racial pay charter, energy cap).
The first two of those are not stupid at all, just very badly presented.
I'd rather the money be invested in expanding T-Levels and vocational education rather than grammar schools. I think if we fix the former the latter won't be necessary.
The dementia tax is an attack on property rights. It's not the policy of a Conservative or conservative. As I said we'd have been better off making pesnioners pay for it via real terms cuts in the state pension until such time as there is enough money to pay for social care. 1% absolute rises per year for 5 years would be enough on the current maths.
It is not a tax and is a very big improvement on the current situation. Plus you will be hitting the poorest pensioners (those with only the state pension to rely on) hardest unless you are suggesting stealing money from people's private pension funds a la Gordon Brown.
The hit on pensions will collectively be very small but will save the government billions to pay for social care which is disproportionately spent in pensioners. Working people already pay too much tax.
How confiscation of all but £100k of one's home equity isn't a tax is not clear to me. It is also an untenable attack in property and inheritance rights.
That is gibberish. The fundamental rule is, if you contract with someone for personal services you pay them for those services; if you have to sell your house to raise the money, you have to sell your house. State intervention privileging n thousand pounds from being at risk is interference in your favour. It just looks like a tax to you because the caring business looks to you like the health business and you think it should work like the NHS. It doesn't. You are implicitly arguing for a huge extension of the welfare state but unless and until that happens, the dementia tax is no such thing.
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear button
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
No, Andy is right.
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.
But I always stay loyal to my party.
lol ,you were going to vote lib dem because you hate the tories more.
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear button
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
No, Andy is right.
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.
But I always stay loyal to my party.
Why? Even if they put forward vile filth as the top team you still would vote for them?
So, the saying about donkeys and red rosettes turns out to be true.
I have been busy with brandy in my local hostelry. As a possible Con gain?
No. I am not that brave. I was pointing out how ridiculous it seemed to be campaigning in a seat that has been Labour since 1923 and has had the same sitting MP (who is standing again) since 1987.
It's either a sign of an ad-hoc, shambolic Tory campaign or a sign CCHQ is getting the sort of numbers we ain't seeing. We'll know this time next week,
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear button
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
No, Andy is right.
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.
But I always stay loyal to my party.
lol ,you were going to vote lib dem because you hate the tories more.
Must be weird basing your vote on which party you hate the most.
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.
But I always stay loyal to my party.
That, if you will excuse me, is your error. You should stay loyal to your principles not to a party. If that party moves away from your principles or, as in this case, elects a leader who is clearly a liability (a fact only masked by the complete idiocy of May) and everyone moves with it out of loyalty then it is doomed. Better to stand on your principles in the hope others will stand with you. In that case it will be much easier to bring your party back to where you want it to be.
My party right or wrong is just as bad as my country right or wrong.
Of course I hate all political parties so I would say that :-)
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear button
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
No, Andy is right.
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.
But I always stay loyal to my party.
I can't be loyal to Labour when I believe that Corbyn would genuinely be a bad thing for the country. I never thought that about either Yvette or Ed. Indeed, anyone outside Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott in the Labour party would be a great thing for this country given what a May Tory government looks like. Right now we need a moderate, centre-left government in this country more than ever, but Corbyn (and no one really) isn't offering that.
Michael Fallon in addition to attacking Corbyn on defence has announced that no higher rate taxpayers will pay anymore in raised tax under the conservatives
What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!
So who's paying for the social care?
Tax pensions at 100%!
Tax the contributions or the payments? Or do you mean eliminate the tax relief on contributions so that most people don't bother?
The question is, what happens when TMay returns with a similar mandate to what she already has?
No matter the majority, Mrs May has fatally damaged her reputation among Tories.
It's a question of
1) When she goes in the next Parliament
2) Is it at a time of her own choosing
And can we block her stupid ideas (grammar schools, dementia tax, racial pay charter, energy cap).
The first two of those are not stupid at all, just very badly presented.
I'd rather the money be invested in expanding T-Levels and vocational education rather than grammar schools. I think if we fix the former the latter won't be necessary.
The dementia tax is an attack on property rights. It's not the policy of a Conservative or conservative. As I said we'd have been better off making pesnioners pay for it via real terms cuts in the state pension until such time as there is enough money to pay for social care. 1% absolute rises per year for 5 years would be enough on the current maths.
It is not a tax and is a very big improvement on the current situation. Plus you will be hitting the poorest pensioners (those with only the state pension to rely on) hardest unless you are suggesting stealing money from people's private pension funds a la Gordon Brown.
The hit on pensions will collectively be very small but will save the government billions to pay for social care which is disproportionately spent in pensioners. Working people already pay too much tax.
How confiscation of all but £100k of one's home equity isn't a tax is not clear to me. It is also an untenable attack in property and inheritance rights.
That is gibberish. The fundamental rule is, if you contract with someone for personal services you pay them for those services; if you have to sell your house to raise the money, you have to sell your house. State intervention privileging n thousand pounds from being at risk is interference in your favour. It just looks like a tax to you because the caring business looks to you like the health business and you think it should work like the NHS. It doesn't. You are implicitly arguing for a huge extension of the welfare state but unless and until that happens, the dementia tax is no such thing.
Except May still had the guts to call an election less than a year into her Premiership unlike Gordon and it still looks like she will be returned to power after
The same could be said of foreign aid. I was hoping May might have made that point when questioned on it tonight.
Yep and it was an open goal given that she has already committed to maintaining the 0.7% of GDP. These sorts of things should be trumpeted far and wide as they are positives which will cut through in what has been a thoroughly negative campaign so far from all sides.
Is it true the government gives North Korea aid money as suggested by a member of the audience tonight ?
What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!
So who's paying for the social care?
Tax pensions at 100%!
Tax the contributions or the payments? Or do you mean eliminate the tax relief on contributions so that most people don't bother?
There should be no tax on pension contributions or pensions cos that is what hard working people have paid for
Thanks for capping my pension Osborne - I can't rely on share income from expensive wallpaper like some can!
Ashcroft gets to the crunch in his last focus group
'If Jeremy Corbyn were a biscuit, what kind of biscuit would he be? “A Jammie Dodger. He dodges all the important questions.” “A Custard Cream. It’s not something you’d go, ‘ooh, I want a Custard Cream’. I’d take it if it was given to me, I wouldn’t choose it off the shelf.” “Bourbon. The kind that nobody really wants but it’s often the only one left.” “Hard tack army rations. They taste horrible, they don’t fill you up, they’re not much use for anything.” “A Digestive. You can dunk him and he tastes nicer.” What? “He’s a nice and comforting Digestive.” And if the Leader of the Opposition were a drink? “A smoothie or something, made out of something organic and foul.” “Ale. A down-to-earth pint. Something your dad would drink, your Grampy.” “Bitter lemon. Because he’s bitter, and a lemon.” What about if Theresa May were a drink? “Bailey’s or prosecco. Because she’s sophisticated, she’s classy.” “Strong builder’s tea that you forgot to drink and it’s gone cold.” “A glass of water. You need it to survive, but there’s nothing to it.” “A double vodka. Comes with a kick.” And if the Prime Minister were a biscuit? “A Marks & Spencer selection”. “A Viennese Whirl, or something like that.” “A chocolate Hobnob.” That’s a pretty fancy biscuit. “Well, she’s up herself, isn’t she, and so are chocolate Hobnobs.” “A Jaffa Cake. She’s nice on the outside, but I don’t like the middle of a Jaffa Cake.” “A cookie. They’re tough, and they crumble.” “One of them hard ones at the bottom of the tin that have been there six months. It looks quite nice but you bite it and break all your teeth.” http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/06/lord-ashcroft-she-called-the-snap-election-and-cant-be-bothered-turning-up-to-it-my-final-general-election-focus-groups.html
Michael Fallon in addition to attacking Corbyn on defence has announced that no higher rate taxpayers will pay anymore in raised tax under the conservatives
Heh, if that's what it sounds like it doesn't sound like an election-winning new line of attack to me. How many of the (not terribly numerous as % of the population) higher-rate taxpayers were considering voting Corbyn in the hope he would protect them from evil Tory tax rises - and will now be reassured that it is safe to vote Conservative again?
Doesn't this mean that the tax we all know needs to be raised is going to be squeezed out of other people? Like, erm, "ordinary people", JAMs and swing voters maybe?
There is as much chance of Lab stopping an increased TM Maj as Corbyn nuking a dung beetle
Fookin Nil None Zero F Fookin All,
I am off for a lie down just cashed out on a £200 profit.
Lets move on from Corbyn now I cannot do any more canvassing as i cannot defend that stupid nuclear answer.
My Account has not been hacked BTW
If you'd selected Yvette Cooper as leader she'd be heading for Downing Street in a few days. I said so at the time of the leadership election.
YC couldnt even pick a colour of the nuclear button
"Red has its Merits but so does Green its an important question and we should consider each option on its merits"
Mrs Balls is dire thats why we ended up with this stupid pacifist
No, Andy is right.
Yep. I voted for Yvette in 2015.
Yet, I thought you were Plato reincarnated. But then again she also voted for Bliar.
LOL. Don't know where you get that idea.
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
That's why I am worried. I too voted for Yvette and for Ed Miliband, who was a very thoughtful leader. Of course, we judge people in this country on whether they can eat sandwiches or not and having a prying camera with a long lens ready.
But I always stay loyal to my party.
lol ,you were going to vote lib dem because you hate the tories more.
Must be weird basing your vote on which party you hate the most.
Hmm To be fair to Surbiton Labour can't win in Surbiton though. So he needs to go with his next favourite choice to keep the party out that he doesn't want to win there.
Just a feature of FPTP that a "top" preference can't be explicitly expressed.
That is gibberish. The fundamental rule is, if you contract with someone for personal services you pay them for those services; if you have to sell your house to raise the money, you have to sell your house. State intervention privileging n thousand pounds from being at risk is interference in your favour. It just looks like a tax to you because the caring business looks to you like the health business and you think it should work like the NHS. It doesn't. You are implicitly arguing for a huge extension of the welfare state but unless and until that happens, the dementia tax is no such thing.
It is care and I don't see why it isn't funded in the same way as the NHS. It's not a huge extension of the welfare state since state provision already exists for social care, it is just chargeable until a person reaches "continuing care" and then it is paid for by the NHS.
If we're going to have private provision then just go all in and have nothing available like it currently is, or if we're going to have a state healthcare service then do it that way. This halfway house is stupid and a completely stupid attack on property rights by a party which is supposed to be in favour of property rights.
Hmm To be fair to Surbiton Labour can't win in Surbiton though. So he needs to go with his next favourite choice to keep the party out that he doesn't want to win there.
Just a feature of FPTP that a "top" preference can't be explicitly expressed.
Well if you do that, Surbiton is guaranteed never to be Labour.
Paul MasonVerified account @paulmasonnews You know what. It's time somebody called out the dog whistle racism behind Tory insults to Diane Abbott and I just decided to do it
What we need to do to close this out and win the GE is for one big worker friendly policy to come out!
A 2% cut in NI for all workers ie reduce the rate from 12% to 10% for the general NI band (up to £45k pa?) and eliminate the higher 2% band to be paid for by cuts to sponger benefits!!
CON supporting hard working families!!!
I'd be up for that. Abolish NI entirely!
So who's paying for the social care?
Tax pensions at 100%!
Tax the contributions or the payments? Or do you mean eliminate the tax relief on contributions so that most people don't bother?
Hmm To be fair to Surbiton Labour can't win in Surbiton though. So he needs to go with his next favourite choice to keep the party out that he doesn't want to win there.
Just a feature of FPTP that a "top" preference can't be explicitly expressed.
Well if you do that, Surbiton is guaranteed never to be Labour.
Paul MasonVerified account @paulmasonnews You know what. It's time somebody called out the dog whistle racism behind Tory insults to Diane Abbott and I just decided to do it
Michael Fallon in addition to attacking Corbyn on defence has announced that no higher rate taxpayers will pay anymore in raised tax under the conservatives
Heh, if that's what it sounds like it doesn't sound like an election-winning new line of attack to me. How many of the (not terribly numerous as % of the population) higher-rate taxpayers were considering voting Corbyn in the hope he would protect them from evil Tory tax rises - and will now be reassured that it is safe to vote Conservative again?
Doesn't this mean that the tax we all know needs to be raised is going to be squeezed out of other people? Like, erm, "ordinary people", JAMs and swing voters maybe?
Low corporation tax and attracting lots of business and start ups to invest in the economy, creating jobs paying tax for public services. That is how it works
Just told my mother (who is Black, and like Diane is the daughter of Jamacian immigrants) about Paul Mason claiming that the Tory attacks towards Diane Abbott are 'dog whistle' racism and she said 'BS.'
Just told my mother (who is Black, and like Diane is the daughter of Jamacian immigrants) about Paul Mason claiming that the Tory attacks towards Diane Abbott are 'dog whistle' racism and she said 'BS.'
Paul MasonVerified account @paulmasonnews You know what. It's time somebody called out the dog whistle racism behind Tory insults to Diane Abbott and I just decided to do it
The comments are even better. Yes pointing out her ineptitude is racist. No it isn't. Yes it is
That is gibberish. The fundamental rule is, if you contract with someone for personal services you pay them for those services; if you have to sell your house to raise the money, you have to sell your house. State intervention privileging n thousand pounds from being at risk is interference in your favour. It just looks like a tax to you because the caring business looks to you like the health business and you think it should work like the NHS. It doesn't. You are implicitly arguing for a huge extension of the welfare state but unless and until that happens, the dementia tax is no such thing.
It is care and I don't see why it isn't funded in the same way as the NHS. It's not a huge extension of the welfare state since state provision already exists for social care, it is just chargeable until a person reaches "continuing care" and then it is paid for by the NHS.
If we're going to have private provision then just go all in and have nothing available like it currently is, or if we're going to have a state healthcare service then do it that way. This halfway house is stupid and a completely stupid attack on property rights by a party which is supposed to be in favour of property rights.
I don't understand why dead people should have property rights?
Just told my mother (who is Black, and like Diane is the daughter of Jamacian immigrants) about Paul Mason claiming that the Tory attacks towards Diane Abbott are 'dog whistle' racism and she said 'BS.'
This is the result of the left diluting the word "racist" and "Nazi".
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Ideally I would like the Tories to be in a minority government, but I will stick by my forecast of Con maj 76.
I don't share any of Plato's alt-right views or sympathy for Trump.
Nor have I dramatically shifted from where I used to be. I've been anti-Corbyn from the period he was running for Labour leader. You act like I've only just recently become a Corbyn critic. I've been critical for a year and a half, and my position has been very consistient. I've also been consitient that I wouldn't vote for Labour under him, and am voting for a centre-left party this time round - LDs.
Don't know why you or the others were so angry with me a few days ago for expressing views I've expressed for a long time. Presumably you thought despite by anti-Corbyn position, I'd still vote Labour, but I made clear at the start of the campaign I wouldn't do this.
I'd vote for Yvette to be PM, if I could right now. Same with Ed M.
I agree abolish NI
And pay for it by abolishing tax credits which are not tax credits but handouts to spongers!!!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2017/jun/01/a-fishy-business-why-the-tories-are-back-in-scotland-video
Ave it you have totally lost it!
The SNP are heading to a comfortable 50 seats without apparantly breaking sweat. If it turns into a hung parliament then they win. If it doesn't then they still win.
So get used to it guys.
Our stuff was English lessons for some of their government, and remedial training in phisiotherapy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/18/uk-gave-4-million-foreign-aid-north-korea-past-six-years/
Fairly light "soft diplomacy" really. The "English lessons" may well have really been intelligence gathering too.
Betfair is unmoved and history shows programmes like that don't make much difference.
The electorate data out tonight is more important in my view.
That's when the audience started to get irritable and it went downhill rapidly from there.
That's what I call expectations management
The surge from corbyn this last few weeks has been incredible. Now the Tories have a clear strategy to attack him and it has been described on this site well by Richard Nabavi.
https://twitter.com/davidtorrance/status/870768180922392576
I think Theresa did well. Easily her most assured performance of the campaign.
She dealt with the emotional partially sighted lady very well.
Now on to Jezz!
And they create an awful lot of noise.
Have you got popcorn on standby?
But I always stay loyal to my party.
SNP 45 max more likely 35
Surbiton =
It will be interesting to see if the journalists start chasing Corbyn and harassing him about nuclear at his appearances this weekend
And Derbyshire NE
Not hopeful in Enfield N
So, the saying about donkeys and red rosettes turns out to be true.
My guess would be:
SNP 43
Con 9
LD 4
Lab 3
My party right or wrong is just as bad as my country right or wrong.
Of course I hate all political parties so I would say that :-)
You know what. It's time somebody called out the dog whistle racism behind Tory insults to Diane Abbott and I just decided to do it
1) Decent audience, more properly representative (seemingly)
2) Someone put something in Tezza's tea. Bit of energy for once and much, much clearer.
Thanks for capping my pension Osborne - I can't rely on share income from expensive wallpaper like some can!
He's not even a moderate pundit, he's an extremist. It should be quite embarrassing for them but apparently not.
'If Jeremy Corbyn were a biscuit, what kind of biscuit would he be? “A Jammie Dodger. He dodges all the important questions.” “A Custard Cream. It’s not something you’d go, ‘ooh, I want a Custard Cream’. I’d take it if it was given to me, I wouldn’t choose it off the shelf.” “Bourbon. The kind that nobody really wants but it’s often the only one left.” “Hard tack army rations. They taste horrible, they don’t fill you up, they’re not much use for anything.” “A Digestive. You can dunk him and he tastes nicer.” What? “He’s a nice and comforting Digestive.”
And if the Leader of the Opposition were a drink? “A smoothie or something, made out of something organic and foul.” “Ale. A down-to-earth pint. Something your dad would drink, your Grampy.” “Bitter lemon. Because he’s bitter, and a lemon.”
What about if Theresa May were a drink? “Bailey’s or prosecco. Because she’s sophisticated, she’s classy.” “Strong builder’s tea that you forgot to drink and it’s gone cold.” “A glass of water. You need it to survive, but there’s nothing to it.” “A double vodka. Comes with a kick.”
And if the Prime Minister were a biscuit? “A Marks & Spencer selection”. “A Viennese Whirl, or something like that.” “A chocolate Hobnob.” That’s a pretty fancy biscuit. “Well, she’s up herself, isn’t she, and so are chocolate Hobnobs.” “A Jaffa Cake. She’s nice on the outside, but I don’t like the middle of a Jaffa Cake.” “A cookie. They’re tough, and they crumble.” “One of them hard ones at the bottom of the tin that have been there six months. It looks quite nice but you bite it and break all your teeth.”
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/06/lord-ashcroft-she-called-the-snap-election-and-cant-be-bothered-turning-up-to-it-my-final-general-election-focus-groups.html
Doesn't this mean that the tax we all know needs to be raised is going to be squeezed out of other people? Like, erm, "ordinary people", JAMs and swing voters maybe?
Just a feature of FPTP that a "top" preference can't be explicitly expressed.
If we're going to have private provision then just go all in and have nothing available like it currently is, or if we're going to have a state healthcare service then do it that way. This halfway house is stupid and a completely stupid attack on property rights by a party which is supposed to be in favour of property rights.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2017/jun/01/a-fishy-business-why-the-tories-are-back-in-scotland-video
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You know what. It's time somebody called out the dog whistle racism behind Tory insults to Diane Abbott and I just decided to do it
https://www.bloomberg.com/energy
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/870766960652558338
See: https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/CL1:COM