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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Tory attack video getting >1,000 views a minute. I think Jezza's goose is cooked.

    https://order-order.com/2017/05/27/corbyn-ira-attack-ad-hits-1-million-views/

    Well maybe, although why would you assume for sure that anyone who was considering voting for Corbynite Labour is among those watching it?
    After watching the video then clearly I am totally misguided in voting for Hilary Benn.

    Honestly, if anyone is swayed by that pastiche I'd like to sell them Tower Bridge.
    I don't think anyone is ever swayed by a single thing (well, rarely, at any rate). It's more about cumulative impact, which is one reason I think such attacks are priced in already, although it at least has been watched more than most such things.
    It's more about ensuring that the 43-46% turn out for the Tories.
    I'm only half-joking, but one wonders whether Theresa May might have done much better to just promise the voters nothing more than blood, tears, toil and sweat.
    That pitch was queered by Dave n George in 2010 - we are all in this together, sunlit uplands etc.
    The message was all over the place in 2010. Plus, both Dave and George were the wrong messengers for that.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,302
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    How much did outsourcing save/cost British Airway?
    The GMB union has suggested the BA computer systems failure was "another example of the shortcomings of BA IT systems since they made a number of staff redundant, and outsourced their work to India in 2016."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40075721

    Cheapskates , penny pinching to try and increase profits and influence their massive bonuses. Will be a real ding dong as they try to pin the tail on the donkey who gets the blame.
    Roll on Eckageddon

    pay up
    You are heading for Sean terrtory Alan, Tory fanboy hsteria :)
    tsk malc

    you dont have to be a tory to hate the snp, it's open to all :-)

  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Tory attack video getting >1,000 views a minute. I think Jezza's goose is cooked.

    https://order-order.com/2017/05/27/corbyn-ira-attack-ad-hits-1-million-views/

    Well maybe, although why would you assume for sure that anyone who was considering voting for Corbynite Labour is among those watching it?
    After watching the video then clearly I am totally misguided in voting for Hilary Benn.

    Honestly, if anyone is swayed by that pastiche I'd like to sell them Tower Bridge.
    I don't think anyone is ever swayed by a single thing (well, rarely, at any rate). It's more about cumulative impact, which is one reason I think such attacks are priced in already, although it at least has been watched more than most such things.
    I don't think it is meant to change anyone from Labur to tory more to keep the 43-46% they have. And even if it only changed even 2% of votes to the tories that is 20,000 votes.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,162

    kle4 said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    A lot of bedwetting as Labour get within 5 points of the Tories (myself included in the wetting).
    Ah. Well, that was bound to happen sooner or later. Elections campaigns are unpredictable.

    But I can't deny having had several 'WTF?' moments as I caught up on the news today.
    You may have also missed 'Mrs May, house snatcher'.

    She is after Granny's house.
    That was just breaking as I left, and I confess that took me rather by surprise - not to mention its massive political effect.

    I expected the double-lock and means-testing of the WFA to be the controversial bits of the manifesto. There's also plenty of other stuff in the Tory manifesto that has largely escaped comment.
    Indeed. The Dementia Tax has hidden the lack of promises on holding NI as it is.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    surbiton said:

    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anecdote alert.

    I've been canvassing for the past two days in Sundon Park, a split Labour/Lib. Dem ward. Corbyn is being raised unprompted on the doorsteps, and not in ways that are complimentary. There's a by-election for the council, and several people have emphasised that they'll vote Labour locally, but can't support them nationally.

    If that's true, then the Labour brand is just as strong as it's ever been and Theresa May has merely united the Right, rather than chiselling lumps off Labour for good, and Labour's present predicament is largely down to their leader alone.
    Given the Labour rise, that does seem plausible. The Tories had dreams of conquering in places they have rarely or never competed in before, but that may be more difficult than thought as the brand of Labour is it turns out too strong. Though I do think Corbyn has turned out less of a turnoff than people think, even as there are too many anecdotal examples to suggest he doesn't turn off anyone.
    It appears that the doorstep anecdotes have become fewer and fewer !!
    I have answered the call and I will be campaigning in Southampton Test this weekend.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,197

    Essexit said:

    surbiton said:

    Supporting the unity of Ireland is not endorsing violence.

    Agreed. However, supporting the Republican movement that tried to bomb Britain into submission (Sinn Fein/IRA) rather than the one that tried to win the argument peacefully and democratically (SDLP) categorically is endorsing violence.
    but its ultimately what Blair did
    and thatcher
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576

    surbiton said:

    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anecdote alert.

    I've been canvassing for the past two days in Sundon Park, a split Labour/Lib. Dem ward. Corbyn is being raised unprompted on the doorsteps, and not in ways that are complimentary. There's a by-election for the council, and several people have emphasised that they'll vote Labour locally, but can't support them nationally.

    If that's true, then the Labour brand is just as strong as it's ever been and Theresa May has merely united the Right, rather than chiselling lumps off Labour for good, and Labour's present predicament is largely down to their leader alone.
    Given the Labour rise, that does seem plausible. The Tories had dreams of conquering in places they have rarely or never competed in before, but that may be more difficult than thought as the brand of Labour is it turns out too strong. Though I do think Corbyn has turned out less of a turnoff than people think, even as there are too many anecdotal examples to suggest he doesn't turn off anyone.
    It appears that the doorstep anecdotes have become fewer and fewer !!
    I have answered the call and I will be campaigning in Southampton Test this weekend.
    Ah, one of the Labour islands of support in the south. Confident?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    theakes said:

    Apparently a third. yes a third US carrier group is either on the way or already on station in the North Korean region. Lots of chat on the internet, you tube etc re imminent war.

    Trump has also blabbed that the US Navy has moved nuclear subs to waters around North Korea:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/nancyyoussef/the-pentagon-is-facepalming-hard-over-trumps-disclosure-of?utm_term=.goVrBgyMr#.pxyjvE84j

    And this tweet shows a degree of lacking insight:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868840252227674113
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576

    theakes said:

    Apparently a third. yes a third US carrier group is either on the way or already on station in the North Korean region. Lots of chat on the internet, you tube etc re imminent war.

    Trump has also blabbed that the US Navy has moved nuclear subs to waters around North Korea:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/nancyyoussef/the-pentagon-is-facepalming-hard-over-trumps-disclosure-of?utm_term=.goVrBgyMr#.pxyjvE84j

    And this tweet shows a degree of lacking insight:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868840252227674113
    Trump, lacking insight? It's so out of character.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,939
    surbiton said:
    Perfectly timed when the demand for power is at a minimum. Meanwhile, at 6 o'clock on a January evening, where's the solar power gone?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    theakes said:

    Apparently a third. yes a third US carrier group is either on the way or already on station in the North Korean region. Lots of chat on the internet, you tube etc re imminent war.

    Trump has also blabbed that the US Navy has moved nuclear subs to waters around North Korea:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/nancyyoussef/the-pentagon-is-facepalming-hard-over-trumps-disclosure-of?utm_term=.goVrBgyMr#.pxyjvE84j

    And this tweet shows a degree of lacking insight:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868840252227674113
    It accords with his current plight regarding leaks. The noose is getting closer to the family.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    surbiton said:

    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anecdote alert.

    I've been canvassing for the past two days in Sundon Park, a split Labour/Lib. Dem ward. Corbyn is being raised unprompted on the doorsteps, and not in ways that are complimentary. There's a by-election for the council, and several people have emphasised that they'll vote Labour locally, but can't support them nationally.

    If that's true, then the Labour brand is just as strong as it's ever been and Theresa May has merely united the Right, rather than chiselling lumps off Labour for good, and Labour's present predicament is largely down to their leader alone.
    Given the Labour rise, that does seem plausible. The Tories had dreams of conquering in places they have rarely or never competed in before, but that may be more difficult than thought as the brand of Labour is it turns out too strong. Though I do think Corbyn has turned out less of a turnoff than people think, even as there are too many anecdotal examples to suggest he doesn't turn off anyone.
    It appears that the doorstep anecdotes have become fewer and fewer !!
    Where's IOS and his ground game reports when you need him.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    nunu said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Tory attack video getting >1,000 views a minute. I think Jezza's goose is cooked.

    https://order-order.com/2017/05/27/corbyn-ira-attack-ad-hits-1-million-views/

    More then 2 million views is a lot! When was the last time a UK political fb ad had that many views?
    I'm sure it's a record breaker. Let's hope the Tories can come up with further instalments!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,197
    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Fools and idiots are easily pleased
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Where can you see that?
  • AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    edited May 2017
    One for the IanB2 tendency ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIvZ2EBqdEQ
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Where can you see that?
    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/05/28/analysing-labours-rise-in-the-polls/#vanilla-comments

    It says it in the bottom left.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Tory attack video getting >1,000 views a minute. I think Jezza's goose is cooked.

    https://order-order.com/2017/05/27/corbyn-ira-attack-ad-hits-1-million-views/

    Well maybe, although why would you assume for sure that anyone who was considering voting for Corbynite Labour is among those watching it?
    After watching the video then clearly I am totally misguided in voting for Hilary Benn.

    Honestly, if anyone is swayed by that pastiche I'd like to sell them Tower Bridge.
    I don't think anyone is ever swayed by a single thing (well, rarely, at any rate). It's more about cumulative impact, which is one reason I think such attacks are priced in already, although it at least has been watched more than most such things.
    It's more about ensuring that the 43-46% turn out for the Tories.
    I'm only half-joking, but one wonders whether Theresa May might have done much better to just promise the voters nothing more than blood, tears, toil and sweat.
    I think she promised that you could take time of work unpaid to care for a relative.Can not remember the full details.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,197
    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Where can you see that?
    CBeebies
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069

    kle4 said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    A lot of bedwetting as Labour get within 5 points of the Tories (myself included in the wetting).
    Ah. Well, that was bound to happen sooner or later. Elections campaigns are unpredictable.

    But I can't deny having had several 'WTF?' moments as I caught up on the news today.
    In Greece now, what's happened?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Where can you see that?
    https://order-order.com/2017/05/27/corbyn-ira-attack-ad-hits-1-million-views/

    bottom left corner.

    I dispute the "already priced in" argument about this. We knew or hoped something of this sort was coming, but not that the material would be so good or so well handled. Is there an Oscar for political attack ads?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    While I'm not denying it looks like a U-turn, the central part of the policy, that the house is included in the calculation of social care costs, has been retained. All that has changed is there is a nebulous commitment to a cap, which will no doubt be selected to have minimal impact on the exchequer.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,705
    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_P said:

    Chris said:

    You see? You can't bring yourself to say he wanted more terrorist attacks! It's just too silly. :-)

    That isn't the question.

    Did he want the perpetrators of the attacks to win?

    You can't honestly say no.
    No, sorry, we did that in the other thread earlier. Wanting a united Ireland isn't the same as supporting terrorism.

    Obviously the strategy is to find something that Corbyn did support, which people can be hoodwinked into thinking is somehow equivalent to supporting terrorism. The more people do that, the more obvious it is that they can't point to any actual expression of support by Corbyn for terrorism.
    Are you seriously expecting people to find a direct quote of Corbyn saying "I support the IRA"?
    Yes please.
    Ah, so you are trolling. I thought so.

    Thanks, Edmund!
    Not at all. I just think if people are going to accuse Corbyn of supporting the IRA, they need to produce some clear evidence that he did.

    It's telling that you find the suggestion so ridiculous.
    If you see a small waterfowl waddling past and quacking, do you call it an elephant ? ;)
    You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that he ever supported the IRA or even spoke about it.

    Supporting the unity of Ireland is not endorsing violence. I support the independence of Scotland.

    In any case, ironically, Brexit has brought forward the re-unification of Ireland. And Northern Ireland will not have to wait in the queue to join the EU.
    A very fine line between honouring and supporting, apparently

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/night-jeremy-corbyn-stood-in-honour-of-dead-ira-terrorists-1-7008757
    Thank you. That comes closest to what I've been looking for. Commemoration is a kind of support, I suppose. Corbyn does say now that he was commemorating those who had died on both sides, but it's not what he was quoted as saying at the time.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    Chris said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_P said:

    Chris said:

    You see? You can't bring yourself to say he wanted more terrorist attacks! It's just too silly. :-)

    That isn't the question.

    Did he want the perpetrators of the attacks to win?

    You can't honestly say no.
    No, sorry, we did that in the other thread earlier. Wanting a united Ireland isn't the same as supporting terrorism.

    Obviously the strategy is to find something that Corbyn did support, which people can be hoodwinked into thinking is somehow equivalent to supporting terrorism. The more people do that, the more obvious it is that they can't point to any actual expression of support by Corbyn for terrorism.
    Are you seriously expecting people to find a direct quote of Corbyn saying "I support the IRA"?
    Yes please.
    Ah, so you are trolling. I thought so.

    Thanks, Edmund!
    Not at all. I just think if people are going to accuse Corbyn of supporting the IRA, they need to produce some clear evidence that he did.

    It's telling that you find the suggestion so ridiculous.
    If you see a small waterfowl waddling past and quacking, do you call it an elephant ? ;)
    You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that he ever supported the IRA or even spoke about it.

    Supporting the unity of Ireland is not endorsing violence. I support the independence of Scotland.

    In any case, ironically, Brexit has brought forward the re-unification of Ireland. And Northern Ireland will not have to wait in the queue to join the EU.
    A very fine line between honouring and supporting, apparently

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/night-jeremy-corbyn-stood-in-honour-of-dead-ira-terrorists-1-7008757
    Thank you. That comes closest to what I've been looking for. Commemoration is a kind of support, I suppose. Corbyn does say now that he was commemorating those who had died on both sides, but it's not what he was quoted as saying at the time.
    A funny way of commemorating both sides! :p
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    SeanT said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Where can you see that?
    On Guido's site

    https://order-order.com/2017/05/27/corbyn-ira-attack-ad-hits-1-million-views/

    Literally getting 1000-3000 new views every minute, as I write this

    Someone in CCHQ should get a bottle of champagne.
    Crosby ?
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956
    malcolmg said:

    Essexit said:

    surbiton said:

    Supporting the unity of Ireland is not endorsing violence.

    Agreed. However, supporting the Republican movement that tried to bomb Britain into submission (Sinn Fein/IRA) rather than the one that tried to win the argument peacefully and democratically (SDLP) categorically is endorsing violence.
    but its ultimately what Blair did
    and thatcher
    Discussions on PB are always educational. Today I learned that Blair and Thatcher supported a united Ireland, and its achievement by violent means.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,139
    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
  • surbiton said:
    Pity British Airways data centres aren't solar powered...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    surbiton said:
    Glad we stayed out. Look at those 40% youth unemployment rates.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited May 2017
    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Who cares? This was to be expected. The right-wing/hard right-wing press were not going to keep quiet for long. The press arm of the one party state kicking into gear. Labour cannot win and JC will never be PM.

    PS - a very good evening from Colombo!
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    What CCHQ need to do now is a second video of Abbott and McDonnell saying equally unsettling things. Make the point that it's not that Corbyn is the cuckoo in the nest, but that Labour itself is a nest of vipers.

    I hope they are listening!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
    Depends if the negative manifesto reaction spurred on a lot of people to say they will vote Labour when they were thinking of sitting out entirely.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Yorkcity said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
    Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576
    murali_s said:

    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Who cares? This was to be expected. The right-wing/hard right-wing were not going to keep quiet for long.
    The tactic was to be expected - the question is will it be effective?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
    Con are up one relative to where they were before the election was called.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
    the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png/850px-Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png

    Labour don't appear to be plateauing yet ... but there's not much more vote to squeeze, surely?
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067

    surbiton said:
    Pity British Airways data centres aren't solar powered...
    Does anyone seriously think BA is a major player in the aviation world now?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872

    kle4 said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    A lot of bedwetting as Labour get within 5 points of the Tories (myself included in the wetting).
    Ah. Well, that was bound to happen sooner or later. Elections campaigns are unpredictable.

    But I can't deny having had several 'WTF?' moments as I caught up on the news today.
    You may have also missed 'Mrs May, house snatcher'.

    She is after Granny's house.
    That was just breaking as I left, and I confess that took me rather by surprise - not to mention its massive political effect.

    I expected the double-lock and means-testing of the WFA to be the controversial bits of the manifesto. There's also plenty of other stuff in the Tory manifesto that has largely escaped comment.
    Indeed. The Dementia Tax has hidden the lack of promises on holding NI as it is.
    Sovereign Wealth Fund, a UK shared prosperity fund, a full review of the business rate system, revising utility and transport regulation, Her Majesty's Trade Commissioners, fracking, active support for shipbuilding, and moving chunks of the civil service to the regions, as well as Channel 4, voter ID, extension of FPTP and repeal of the FTPA, working multilaterally to redefine asylum and international aid criteria and the double-lock on Defence.

    There was also some broad-brush indications of where the Government want to go on industrial, R&D, culture, productivity and skills (and aligning it with migration) that I thought was interesting, and gave a clear hat-tip to rebalancing the approach of Whitehall away from London and the South-East.

    What it's light on is exact detail and numbers. And I wouldn't expect it to be in an election like this.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    3,492

    No

    4,391
    Ha!
  • murali_s said:

    surbiton said:
    Pity British Airways data centres aren't solar powered...
    Does anyone seriously think BA is a major player in the aviation world now?
    One of the few airlines making a reasonable profit, goodness knows how given how they treat both their premium and their regular customers
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    A lot of bedwetting as Labour get within 5 points of the Tories (myself included in the wetting).
    Ah. Well, that was bound to happen sooner or later. Elections campaigns are unpredictable.

    But I can't deny having had several 'WTF?' moments as I caught up on the news today.
    You may have also missed 'Mrs May, house snatcher'.

    She is after Granny's house.
    That was just breaking as I left, and I confess that took me rather by surprise - not to mention its massive political effect.

    I expected the double-lock and means-testing of the WFA to be the controversial bits of the manifesto. There's also plenty of other stuff in the Tory manifesto that has largely escaped comment.
    Yes - moving to FPTP for PCC and Mayoral elections!

    Not sure about this bit.

    Boards should take account of the interests not just of shareholders but employees,
    suppliers and the wider community. To ensure employees’ interests are represented at
    board level, we will change the law to ensure that listed companies will be required either
    to nominate a director from the workforce, create a formal employee advisory council or
    assign specifc responsibility for employee representation to a designated non-executive
    director. Subject to sensible safeguards, we will introduce, for employees, a right to
    request information relating to the future direction of the company
    I'm not too bothered about that for large publicly voted companies.

    You just have an extra voice in the room - "Director for Employees" - who would have a similar weight to the Director for HR.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,139
    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
    Depends if the negative manifesto reaction spurred on a lot of people to say they will vote Labour when they were thinking of sitting out entirely.
    Yet the chart shows Labour's increase started *before* the Conservative manifesto, and almost all of the reducing gap is down to Labour's climb, not any fall in the Conservative vote.

    SeanT is reducing a complex topic to an overly simple premise. It's almost as if he enjoys panicking. ;)
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Weirdly it isn't trending on Twitter though. And I haven't seen any reference to it on my Facebook feed. In fact, I have only heard it talked about on here.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Weirdly it isn't trending on Twitter though. And I haven't seen any reference to it on my Facebook feed. In fact, I have only heard it talked about on here.
    Targeting
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
    the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png/850px-Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png

    Labour don't appear to be plateauing yet ... but there's not much more vote to squeeze, surely?
    There is. Direct from Tory to Labour. It has already happened in the North.
  • AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    Chris said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_P said:

    Chris said:

    You see? You can't bring yourself to say he wanted more terrorist attacks! It's just too silly. :-)

    That isn't the question.

    Did he want the perpetrators of the attacks to win?

    You can't honestly say no.
    No, sorry, we did that in the other thread earlier. Wanting a united Ireland isn't the same as supporting terrorism.

    Obviously the strategy is to find something that Corbyn did support, which people can be hoodwinked into thinking is somehow equivalent to supporting terrorism. The more people do that, the more obvious it is that they can't point to any actual expression of support by Corbyn for terrorism.
    Are you seriously expecting people to find a direct quote of Corbyn saying "I support the IRA"?
    Yes please.
    Ah, so you are trolling. I thought so.

    Thanks, Edmund!
    Not at all. I just think if people are going to accuse Corbyn of supporting the IRA, they need to produce some clear evidence that he did.

    It's telling that you find the suggestion so ridiculous.
    If you see a small waterfowl waddling past and quacking, do you call it an elephant ? ;)
    You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that he ever supported the IRA or even spoke about it.

    Supporting the unity of Ireland is not endorsing violence. I support the independence of Scotland.

    In any case, ironically, Brexit has brought forward the re-unification of Ireland. And Northern Ireland will not have to wait in the queue to join the EU.
    A very fine line between honouring and supporting, apparently

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/night-jeremy-corbyn-stood-in-honour-of-dead-ira-terrorists-1-7008757
    Thank you. That comes closest to what I've been looking for. Commemoration is a kind of support, I suppose. Corbyn does say now that he was commemorating those who had died on both sides, but it's not what he was quoted as saying at the time.
    Did he ever attend such a commeration. As opposed to say attending for a number of years and speaking at the annual “Connolly/Sands” commemoration in London to honour dead IRA terrorists and support imprisoned IRA “prisoners of war.”
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    murali_s said:

    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Who cares? This was to be expected. The right-wing/hard right-wing press were not going to keep quiet for long. The press arm of the one party state kicking into gear.

    PS - a very good evening from Colombo!
    It wasn't about whether they kept quiet, it was about whether people would be listening. I think we know the answer to that.

    Hope you had a good flight.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anecdote alert.

    I've been canvassing for the past two days in Sundon Park, a split Labour/Lib. Dem ward. Corbyn is being raised unprompted on the doorsteps, and not in ways that are complimentary. There's a by-election for the council, and several people have emphasised that they'll vote Labour locally, but can't support them nationally.

    If that's true, then the Labour brand is just as strong as it's ever been and Theresa May has merely united the Right, rather than chiselling lumps off Labour for good, and Labour's present predicament is largely down to their leader alone.
    Given the Labour rise, that does seem plausible. The Tories had dreams of conquering in places they have rarely or never competed in before, but that may be more difficult than thought as the brand of Labour is it turns out too strong. Though I do think Corbyn has turned out less of a turnoff than people think, even as there are too many anecdotal examples to suggest he doesn't turn off anyone.
    It appears that the doorstep anecdotes have become fewer and fewer !!
    I have answered the call and I will be campaigning in Southampton Test this weekend.
    Ah, one of the Labour islands of support in the south. Confident?
    I'll tell you once I've canvassed!

    It should fall fairly easily if Theresa May is going to achieve her "par" result, so if I don't sense that, I'll certainly report back.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,203
    Ishmael_Z said:

    surbiton said:



    There seems to be a Trump like insistence amongst the Alt-Right in PB to deliberately ignore the fact that Corbyn DID vote in favour of the Good Friday Agreement.

    So did everyone else. Why would he not? What does it prove?
    Well... Michael Gove didn't.
  • SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Weirdly it isn't trending on Twitter though. And I haven't seen any reference to it on my Facebook feed. In fact, I have only heard it talked about on here.
    Perhaps you don't live in a target area. While I understand SeanT's female followers are legion even he can't get all 1000 of them to press the link 2000 times.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    RoyalBlue said:

    What CCHQ need to do now is a second video of Abbott and McDonnell saying equally unsettling things. Make the point that it's not that Corbyn is the cuckoo in the nest, but that Labour itself is a nest of vipers.

    I hope they are listening!

    Set against May having to answer 45 minutes on Social Care, WFA, no promises on Income Tax, NI ....................
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    SeanT said:

    The Tory Facebook ad has now been seen by more people than watched the "leaders debate".

    It might end up being seen by more people than the Andrew Neil interviews.

    Outside this forum I don't know anyone who's seen any of those.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
    the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png/850px-Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png

    Labour don't appear to be plateauing yet ... but there's not much more vote to squeeze, surely?
    There is. Direct from Tory to Labour. It has already happened in the North.
    Given that the Tory vote is back where it was immediately before the election was called, you've blown the froth off the ale only.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Anyone watching Indy500 on BTsport? If you want to see the definition of "cheating death"...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    And, it wouldn't be the same without you here.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,855
    edited May 2017
    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Weirdly it isn't trending on Twitter though. And I haven't seen any reference to it on my Facebook feed. In fact, I have only heard it talked about on here.
    Targeting
    That makes a lot of sense as Twitter is notoriously bad at targeting, so if you are going to buy ads buy them on the service that can make sure they go to the right people. With Twitter ads you would end up with people in Eritrea wondering "who is Jeremy Corbyn?"
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,169
    edited May 2017
    alex. said:

    Anyone watching Indy500 on BTsport? If you want to see the definition of "cheating death"...

    That was a bloody big accident for someone to walk away from! Amazing how safe modern F1 and Indy cars have become.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068

    Chris said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_P said:

    Chris said:

    You see? You can't bring yourself to say he wanted more terrorist attacks! It's just too silly. :-)

    That isn't the question.

    Did he want the perpetrators of the attacks to win?

    You can't honestly say no.
    No, sorry, we did that in the other thread earlier. Wanting a united Ireland isn't the same as supporting terrorism.

    Obviously the strategy is to find something that Corbyn did support, which people can be hoodwinked into thinking is somehow equivalent to supporting terrorism. The more people do that, the more obvious it is that they can't point to any actual expression of support by Corbyn for terrorism.
    Are you seriously expecting people to find a direct quote of Corbyn saying "I support the IRA"?
    Yes please.
    Ah, so you are trolling. I thought so.

    Thanks, Edmund!
    Not at all. I just think if people are going to accuse Corbyn of supporting the IRA, they need to produce some clear evidence that he did.

    It's telling that you find the suggestion so ridiculous.
    If you see a small waterfowl waddling past and quacking, do you call it an elephant ? ;)
    You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that he ever supported the IRA or even spoke about it.

    Supporting the unity of Ireland is not endorsing violence. I support the independence of Scotland.

    In any case, ironically, Brexit has brought forward the re-unification of Ireland. And Northern Ireland will not have to wait in the queue to join the EU.
    A very fine line between honouring and supporting, apparently

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/night-jeremy-corbyn-stood-in-honour-of-dead-ira-terrorists-1-7008757
    Thank you. That comes closest to what I've been looking for. Commemoration is a kind of support, I suppose. Corbyn does say now that he was commemorating those who had died on both sides, but it's not what he was quoted as saying at the time.
    Did he ever attend such a commeration. As opposed to say attending for a number of years and speaking at the annual “Connolly/Sands” commemoration in London to honour dead IRA terrorists and support imprisoned IRA “prisoners of war.”
    I wonder what the reaction would be if a senior Conservative had attended a commemoration organised by Loyalist Prisoners Welfare Association.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Yorkcity said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
    Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
    Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    He's a spoof character, of course, but I think the Left would do well with a leader like him.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited May 2017
    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    While I'm not denying it looks like a U-turn, the central part of the policy, that the house is included in the calculation of social care costs, has been retained. All that has changed is there is a nebulous commitment to a cap, which will no doubt be selected to have minimal impact on the exchequer.
    However, lower the cap, higher the cost to the exchequer. So, there is an inverse direct relationship between keeping people happy and cost to the Treasury.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,197
    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Weirdly it isn't trending on Twitter though. And I haven't seen any reference to it on my Facebook feed. In fact, I have only heard it talked about on here.
    Targeting
    or bollox
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    While I'm not denying it looks like a U-turn, the central part of the policy, that the house is included in the calculation of social care costs, has been retained. All that has changed is there is a nebulous commitment to a cap, which will no doubt be selected to have minimal impact on the exchequer.
    However, lower the cap, higher the cost to the exchequer. So, there is an inverse direct relationship between keeping people happy and cost to the Treasury.
    Isn't that the case for everything?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
    Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
    Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
    It's being held in Cambridge.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,855
    edited May 2017
    SeanT said:

    Quite. The whole point of Facebook ads is that they can be micro-targetted at the precise demographic. I've learned all this from the truly brilliant social media publicity team at my publishers, HarperCollins.

    An advertising smart-bomb, whereas a PPB or a poster is like a town crier, and most people tune out or turn off. What you really want is to be able to beam thoughts straight into a person's head, "yes I have always hated the traitor Corbyn".
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
    the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png/850px-Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png

    Labour don't appear to be plateauing yet ... but there's not much more vote to squeeze, surely?
    There is. Direct from Tory to Labour. It has already happened in the North.
    Given that the Tory vote is back where it was immediately before the election was called, you've blown the froth off the ale only.
    The Tory vote now is the sum of its 2015 vote plus about half to 60% of UKIP vote. The froth as you call it has gone back to their own homes.

    Furthermore, lots of transfers from UKIP to the Tories does not necessarily result in seats, like, Eastern England.

    OTOH, I think there is now swing to Labour in London.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
    the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png/850px-Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png

    Labour don't appear to be plateauing yet ... but there's not much more vote to squeeze, surely?
    That's a meteoric Labour rise.

    But, I remain to be convinced it will hold through to polling day.
  • What I find fascinating about this campaign is that, at almost every turn, the received wisdom has been turned on its head. Maybe this is happening again with Corbyn and the IRA. The thinking was that this had been factored in/was too much in the past/smacked of Tory desperation/was a matter of indifference to young voters. Judging by the video's reach, perhaps this issue will have a real impact.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,494
    SeanT said:



    So these ads will be going to northern oldsters and swing voters in key seats etc.

    Are Northern oldsters typically keen users of social media? (It seems unlikely but maybe I'm just not up with current trends.)
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited May 2017
    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
    Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
    Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
    Yep,hudders will go up in my opinion and we will get £250,000 payment from the nahki wells deal ;-)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576

    What I find fascinating about this campaign is that, at almost every turn, the received wisdom has been turned on its head. Maybe this is happening again with Corbyn and the IRA. The thinking was that this had been factored in/was too much in the past/smacked of Tory desperation/was a matter of indifference to young voters. Judging by the video's reach, perhaps this issue will have a real impact.

    I don't know that the feeling it was factored in was 'the thinking'. It has been my thinking, and some others, but plenty of people have said all along that a lot of people don't know about that part of Corbyn's past and would not like it. We shall see.

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    Youster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
    the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png/850px-Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png

    Labour don't appear to be plateauing yet ... but there's not much more vote to squeeze, surely?
    That's a meteoric Labour rise.

    But, I remain to be convinced it will hold through to polling day.
    I am, naively, assuming the polls are not just flat out wrong, that they reflecting a real trend even if the exact numbers may be off. That being the case, I would expect a good Labuor vote share unless we start to see them drop back from the mid 30s over the next week.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    SeanT said:



    So these ads will be going to northern oldsters and swing voters in key seats etc.

    Are Northern oldsters typically keen users of social media? (It seems unlikely but maybe I'm just not up with current trends.)
    In my experience Facebook is most assiduously used by women in their 50s and above. The younger generation dropped off Facebook except for semi-formal posts when the older gernation came on.

    I get a lot of posts about puppies, about Strong Women and heartwarming moral stories about treating people nicely.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Weirdly it isn't trending on Twitter though. And I haven't seen any reference to it on my Facebook feed. In fact, I have only heard it talked about on here.
    Perhaps you don't live in a target area. While I understand SeanT's female followers are legion even he can't get all 1000 of them to press the link 2000 times.
    Quite. The whole point of Facebook ads is that they can be micro-targetted at the precise demographic. I've learned all this from the truly brilliant social media publicity team at my publishers, HarperCollins.

    e.g. When The Ice Twins came out, they created specific ads and put them on the Facebook feeds of mothers-of-twins who also read a lot of novels.

    So these ads will be going to northern oldsters and swing voters in key seats etc.
    If I shared that video, I'd receive a ream of abuse from my friends.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,582
    That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
    Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
    Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
    It's being held in Cambridge.
    Trust the BBC to pick Remainer Central for a programme on the Brexit election.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576

    That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. .

    Nothing to say they can only win by doing so. Clearly though they think it will help them win.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872

    SeanT said:



    So these ads will be going to northern oldsters and swing voters in key seats etc.

    Are Northern oldsters typically keen users of social media? (It seems unlikely but maybe I'm just not up with current trends.)
    In my experience Facebook is most assiduously used by women in their 50s and above. The younger generation dropped off Facebook except for semi-formal posts when the older gernation came on.

    I get a lot of posts about puppies, about Strong Women and heartwarming moral stories about treating people nicely.
    Imagine my horror when, as a 35-year old, my teenage nephews told me that Facebook was for "old people".

    I get babies, virtue-signalling, adverts, and holiday-boasting, mainly.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    RoyalBlue said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
    Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
    Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
    It's being held in Cambridge.
    Trust the BBC to pick Remainer Central for a programme on the Brexit election.
    It's also not really representative of the country at large in terms of voting patterns.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    SeanT said:



    So these ads will be going to northern oldsters and swing voters in key seats etc.

    Are Northern oldsters typically keen users of social media? (It seems unlikely but maybe I'm just not up with current trends.)
    More than 60% of the country is on fb, not just those with computers but of the whole country with Grand parents seeing the biggest growth.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
    Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
    Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
    It's being held in Cambridge.
    Question time leaders special to be held in York on 02/06/2017 T May and J Corbyn 20:30 BBC 1.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    RoyalBlue said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
    Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
    Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
    It's being held in Cambridge.
    Trust the BBC to pick Remainer Central for a programme on the Brexit election.
    Cambridge is a terribly unrepresentative place to hold it, almost as much as Boston and Skegness would be.

    Newcastle-upon-Tyne would be interesting.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
    the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png/850px-Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png

    Labour don't appear to be plateauing yet ... but there's not much more vote to squeeze, surely?
    That's a meteoric Labour rise.

    But, I remain to be convinced it will hold through to polling day.
    yeah, there's three things going on.

    1) Tory jump immediately after election called, seemingly totally at expense of UKIP.

    followed by

    2) Tory knocked back where they started after Manifesto (i.e removing the froth)

    and, concurrently,

    3) Labour squeezing Libs and UKIP (and Greens) consistently and hard. This last one has to run out sometime.

    This is, of course, if the polls aren't recording nonsense from Labour (heavy weights of non2015 voters etc).

    I think there's a non-zero chance of that tbh.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,582
    edited May 2017
    SeanT said:

    That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.

    You've now said this, in basically the same way, about 3,892 times, I think.

    We get the point.

    Good. Think about it. Then tell us about what a mistake the Dementia tax was!

  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited May 2017
    Ishmael_Z said:

    murali_s said:

    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Who cares? This was to be expected. The right-wing/hard right-wing press were not going to keep quiet for long. The press arm of the one party state kicking into gear.

    PS - a very good evening from Colombo!
    It wasn't about whether they kept quiet, it was about whether people would be listening. I think we know the answer to that.

    Hope you had a good flight.
    Had a good flight thanks. Emirates is a class airline. Would have flown BA if they flew to Colombo (unbelievable as SL is a former British colony). Similarly no direct flight from London to Lusska when I went to Zambia in 2015. BA is now a medium sized operator at best!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
    Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
    Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
    It's being held in Cambridge.
    Question time leaders special to be held in York on 02/06/2017 T May and J Corbyn 20:30 BBC 1.
    Ah I was thinking about the seven way.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185

    That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.

    They are buggered post-election either way, they win they get to manage Brexit and a possible recession and if they lose...they've lost an election.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    edited May 2017
    murali_s said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    murali_s said:

    SeanT said:

    PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.

    Who cares? This was to be expected. The right-wing/hard right-wing press were not going to keep quiet for long. The press arm of the one party state kicking into gear.

    PS - a very good evening from Colombo!
    It wasn't about whether they kept quiet, it was about whether people would be listening. I think we know the answer to that.

    Hope you had a good flight.
    Had a good flight thanks. Emirates is a class airline. Would have flown BA if they flew to Colombo (unbelievable as SL is a former British colony). Similarly no direct flight from London to Lusska when I went to Zambia in 2015. BA is now a medium sized operator at best!
    8th largest in the world when it comes to passenger km, and joint third with Air France in terms of countries served.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,855

    In my experience Facebook is most assiduously used by women in their 50s and above. The younger generation dropped off Facebook except for semi-formal posts when the older gernation came on.

    I get a lot of posts about puppies, about Strong Women and heartwarming moral stories about treating people nicely.

    Facebook's most intensive users are in the age range 25-34.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,582
    RoyalBlue said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.

    Did I miss anything?

    SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
    How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
    You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight

    All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah

    Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
    I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
    Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)

    May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
    Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
    Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
    It's being held in Cambridge.
    Trust the BBC to pick Remainer Central for a programme on the Brexit election.

    It's hardly the Brexit election. Nobody is talking about it. The election is a referendum on Corbyn.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    SeanT said:

    That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.

    You've now said this, in basically the same way, about 3,892 times, I think.

    We get the point.
    Southam is an intelligent poster who posts as the concerned everyman, but is actually an assiduous campaigner.

    Labour should hire him.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    HaroldO said:

    That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.

    They are buggered post-election either way, they win they get to manage Brexit and a possible recession and if they lose...they've lost an election.
    Wasn't the same said in 2010 (the recession bit, not Brexit obviously!)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.

    I thought the main reason Theresa May called an election now was precisely so the Tories could throw detritus at Corbyn instead of waiting until 2020 and risking him being replaced.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576
    RobD said:

    HaroldO said:

    That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.

    They are buggered post-election either way, they win they get to manage Brexit and a possible recession and if they lose...they've lost an election.
    Wasn't the same said in 2010 (the recession bit, not Brexit obviously!)
    Gotta be right at some point.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    RoyalBlue said:

    What CCHQ need to do now is a second video of Abbott and McDonnell saying equally unsettling things. Make the point that it's not that Corbyn is the cuckoo in the nest, but that Labour itself is a nest of vipers.

    I hope they are listening!

    Ofcourse they are why do you think they did a u-turn. Because SeanT had an almighty fit claiming he wanted to change his vote to Labour.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    RobD said:

    HaroldO said:

    That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.

    They are buggered post-election either way, they win they get to manage Brexit and a possible recession and if they lose...they've lost an election.
    Wasn't the same said in 2010 (the recession bit, not Brexit obviously!)
    ....good point. But now it must be even more certain there will be one.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    nunu said:

    SeanT said:



    So these ads will be going to northern oldsters and swing voters in key seats etc.

    Are Northern oldsters typically keen users of social media? (It seems unlikely but maybe I'm just not up with current trends.)
    More than 60% of the country is on fb, not just those with computers but of the whole country with Grand parents seeing the biggest growth.
    It is spooky how ubiquitous and invisible at the same time a facebook campaign can be. In the 2010 election we could all laugh at the same socking great posters of DC's airbrushed forehead; now I wouldn't have known about the IRA attack ad, but for Guido, and there's no knowing that the 2.1m views aren't clocked up by Labour facebookbot farms rather than actual people. The grauniad is worried about it: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/27/conservatives-facebook-dark-ads-data-protection-election
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