Well maybe, although why would you assume for sure that anyone who was considering voting for Corbynite Labour is among those watching it?
After watching the video then clearly I am totally misguided in voting for Hilary Benn.
Honestly, if anyone is swayed by that pastiche I'd like to sell them Tower Bridge.
I don't think anyone is ever swayed by a single thing (well, rarely, at any rate). It's more about cumulative impact, which is one reason I think such attacks are priced in already, although it at least has been watched more than most such things.
It's more about ensuring that the 43-46% turn out for the Tories.
I'm only half-joking, but one wonders whether Theresa May might have done much better to just promise the voters nothing more than blood, tears, toil and sweat.
That pitch was queered by Dave n George in 2010 - we are all in this together, sunlit uplands etc.
The message was all over the place in 2010. Plus, both Dave and George were the wrong messengers for that.
How much did outsourcing save/cost British Airway? The GMB union has suggested the BA computer systems failure was "another example of the shortcomings of BA IT systems since they made a number of staff redundant, and outsourced their work to India in 2016." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40075721
Cheapskates , penny pinching to try and increase profits and influence their massive bonuses. Will be a real ding dong as they try to pin the tail on the donkey who gets the blame.
Roll on Eckageddon
pay up
You are heading for Sean terrtory Alan, Tory fanboy hsteria
tsk malc
you dont have to be a tory to hate the snp, it's open to all :-)
Well maybe, although why would you assume for sure that anyone who was considering voting for Corbynite Labour is among those watching it?
After watching the video then clearly I am totally misguided in voting for Hilary Benn.
Honestly, if anyone is swayed by that pastiche I'd like to sell them Tower Bridge.
I don't think anyone is ever swayed by a single thing (well, rarely, at any rate). It's more about cumulative impact, which is one reason I think such attacks are priced in already, although it at least has been watched more than most such things.
I don't think it is meant to change anyone from Labur to tory more to keep the 43-46% they have. And even if it only changed even 2% of votes to the tories that is 20,000 votes.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
A lot of bedwetting as Labour get within 5 points of the Tories (myself included in the wetting).
Ah. Well, that was bound to happen sooner or later. Elections campaigns are unpredictable.
But I can't deny having had several 'WTF?' moments as I caught up on the news today.
You may have also missed 'Mrs May, house snatcher'.
She is after Granny's house.
That was just breaking as I left, and I confess that took me rather by surprise - not to mention its massive political effect.
I expected the double-lock and means-testing of the WFA to be the controversial bits of the manifesto. There's also plenty of other stuff in the Tory manifesto that has largely escaped comment.
Indeed. The Dementia Tax has hidden the lack of promises on holding NI as it is.
I've been canvassing for the past two days in Sundon Park, a split Labour/Lib. Dem ward. Corbyn is being raised unprompted on the doorsteps, and not in ways that are complimentary. There's a by-election for the council, and several people have emphasised that they'll vote Labour locally, but can't support them nationally.
If that's true, then the Labour brand is just as strong as it's ever been and Theresa May has merely united the Right, rather than chiselling lumps off Labour for good, and Labour's present predicament is largely down to their leader alone.
Given the Labour rise, that does seem plausible. The Tories had dreams of conquering in places they have rarely or never competed in before, but that may be more difficult than thought as the brand of Labour is it turns out too strong. Though I do think Corbyn has turned out less of a turnoff than people think, even as there are too many anecdotal examples to suggest he doesn't turn off anyone.
It appears that the doorstep anecdotes have become fewer and fewer !!
I have answered the call and I will be campaigning in Southampton Test this weekend.
Supporting the unity of Ireland is not endorsing violence.
Agreed. However, supporting the Republican movement that tried to bomb Britain into submission (Sinn Fein/IRA) rather than the one that tried to win the argument peacefully and democratically (SDLP) categorically is endorsing violence.
I've been canvassing for the past two days in Sundon Park, a split Labour/Lib. Dem ward. Corbyn is being raised unprompted on the doorsteps, and not in ways that are complimentary. There's a by-election for the council, and several people have emphasised that they'll vote Labour locally, but can't support them nationally.
If that's true, then the Labour brand is just as strong as it's ever been and Theresa May has merely united the Right, rather than chiselling lumps off Labour for good, and Labour's present predicament is largely down to their leader alone.
Given the Labour rise, that does seem plausible. The Tories had dreams of conquering in places they have rarely or never competed in before, but that may be more difficult than thought as the brand of Labour is it turns out too strong. Though I do think Corbyn has turned out less of a turnoff than people think, even as there are too many anecdotal examples to suggest he doesn't turn off anyone.
It appears that the doorstep anecdotes have become fewer and fewer !!
I have answered the call and I will be campaigning in Southampton Test this weekend.
Ah, one of the Labour islands of support in the south. Confident?
Apparently a third. yes a third US carrier group is either on the way or already on station in the North Korean region. Lots of chat on the internet, you tube etc re imminent war.
Trump has also blabbed that the US Navy has moved nuclear subs to waters around North Korea:
Apparently a third. yes a third US carrier group is either on the way or already on station in the North Korean region. Lots of chat on the internet, you tube etc re imminent war.
Trump has also blabbed that the US Navy has moved nuclear subs to waters around North Korea:
Apparently a third. yes a third US carrier group is either on the way or already on station in the North Korean region. Lots of chat on the internet, you tube etc re imminent war.
Trump has also blabbed that the US Navy has moved nuclear subs to waters around North Korea:
I've been canvassing for the past two days in Sundon Park, a split Labour/Lib. Dem ward. Corbyn is being raised unprompted on the doorsteps, and not in ways that are complimentary. There's a by-election for the council, and several people have emphasised that they'll vote Labour locally, but can't support them nationally.
If that's true, then the Labour brand is just as strong as it's ever been and Theresa May has merely united the Right, rather than chiselling lumps off Labour for good, and Labour's present predicament is largely down to their leader alone.
Given the Labour rise, that does seem plausible. The Tories had dreams of conquering in places they have rarely or never competed in before, but that may be more difficult than thought as the brand of Labour is it turns out too strong. Though I do think Corbyn has turned out less of a turnoff than people think, even as there are too many anecdotal examples to suggest he doesn't turn off anyone.
It appears that the doorstep anecdotes have become fewer and fewer !!
Where's IOS and his ground game reports when you need him.
Well maybe, although why would you assume for sure that anyone who was considering voting for Corbynite Labour is among those watching it?
After watching the video then clearly I am totally misguided in voting for Hilary Benn.
Honestly, if anyone is swayed by that pastiche I'd like to sell them Tower Bridge.
I don't think anyone is ever swayed by a single thing (well, rarely, at any rate). It's more about cumulative impact, which is one reason I think such attacks are priced in already, although it at least has been watched more than most such things.
It's more about ensuring that the 43-46% turn out for the Tories.
I'm only half-joking, but one wonders whether Theresa May might have done much better to just promise the voters nothing more than blood, tears, toil and sweat.
I think she promised that you could take time of work unpaid to care for a relative.Can not remember the full details.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
I dispute the "already priced in" argument about this. We knew or hoped something of this sort was coming, but not that the material would be so good or so well handled. Is there an Oscar for political attack ads?
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
While I'm not denying it looks like a U-turn, the central part of the policy, that the house is included in the calculation of social care costs, has been retained. All that has changed is there is a nebulous commitment to a cap, which will no doubt be selected to have minimal impact on the exchequer.
You see? You can't bring yourself to say he wanted more terrorist attacks! It's just too silly. :-)
That isn't the question.
Did he want the perpetrators of the attacks to win?
You can't honestly say no.
No, sorry, we did that in the other thread earlier. Wanting a united Ireland isn't the same as supporting terrorism.
Obviously the strategy is to find something that Corbyn did support, which people can be hoodwinked into thinking is somehow equivalent to supporting terrorism. The more people do that, the more obvious it is that they can't point to any actual expression of support by Corbyn for terrorism.
Are you seriously expecting people to find a direct quote of Corbyn saying "I support the IRA"?
Yes please.
Ah, so you are trolling. I thought so.
Thanks, Edmund!
Not at all. I just think if people are going to accuse Corbyn of supporting the IRA, they need to produce some clear evidence that he did.
It's telling that you find the suggestion so ridiculous.
If you see a small waterfowl waddling past and quacking, do you call it an elephant ?
You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that he ever supported the IRA or even spoke about it.
Supporting the unity of Ireland is not endorsing violence. I support the independence of Scotland.
In any case, ironically, Brexit has brought forward the re-unification of Ireland. And Northern Ireland will not have to wait in the queue to join the EU.
A very fine line between honouring and supporting, apparently
Thank you. That comes closest to what I've been looking for. Commemoration is a kind of support, I suppose. Corbyn does say now that he was commemorating those who had died on both sides, but it's not what he was quoted as saying at the time.
You see? You can't bring yourself to say he wanted more terrorist attacks! It's just too silly. :-)
That isn't the question.
Did he want the perpetrators of the attacks to win?
You can't honestly say no.
No, sorry, we did that in the other thread earlier. Wanting a united Ireland isn't the same as supporting terrorism.
Obviously the strategy is to find something that Corbyn did support, which people can be hoodwinked into thinking is somehow equivalent to supporting terrorism. The more people do that, the more obvious it is that they can't point to any actual expression of support by Corbyn for terrorism.
Are you seriously expecting people to find a direct quote of Corbyn saying "I support the IRA"?
Yes please.
Ah, so you are trolling. I thought so.
Thanks, Edmund!
Not at all. I just think if people are going to accuse Corbyn of supporting the IRA, they need to produce some clear evidence that he did.
It's telling that you find the suggestion so ridiculous.
If you see a small waterfowl waddling past and quacking, do you call it an elephant ?
You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that he ever supported the IRA or even spoke about it.
Supporting the unity of Ireland is not endorsing violence. I support the independence of Scotland.
In any case, ironically, Brexit has brought forward the re-unification of Ireland. And Northern Ireland will not have to wait in the queue to join the EU.
A very fine line between honouring and supporting, apparently
Thank you. That comes closest to what I've been looking for. Commemoration is a kind of support, I suppose. Corbyn does say now that he was commemorating those who had died on both sides, but it's not what he was quoted as saying at the time.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
Supporting the unity of Ireland is not endorsing violence.
Agreed. However, supporting the Republican movement that tried to bomb Britain into submission (Sinn Fein/IRA) rather than the one that tried to win the argument peacefully and democratically (SDLP) categorically is endorsing violence.
but its ultimately what Blair did
and thatcher
Discussions on PB are always educational. Today I learned that Blair and Thatcher supported a united Ireland, and its achievement by violent means.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.
Who cares? This was to be expected. The right-wing/hard right-wing press were not going to keep quiet for long. The press arm of the one party state kicking into gear. Labour cannot win and JC will never be PM.
What CCHQ need to do now is a second video of Abbott and McDonnell saying equally unsettling things. Make the point that it's not that Corbyn is the cuckoo in the nest, but that Labour itself is a nest of vipers.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
Depends if the negative manifesto reaction spurred on a lot of people to say they will vote Labour when they were thinking of sitting out entirely.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
Con are up one relative to where they were before the election was called.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
A lot of bedwetting as Labour get within 5 points of the Tories (myself included in the wetting).
Ah. Well, that was bound to happen sooner or later. Elections campaigns are unpredictable.
But I can't deny having had several 'WTF?' moments as I caught up on the news today.
You may have also missed 'Mrs May, house snatcher'.
She is after Granny's house.
That was just breaking as I left, and I confess that took me rather by surprise - not to mention its massive political effect.
I expected the double-lock and means-testing of the WFA to be the controversial bits of the manifesto. There's also plenty of other stuff in the Tory manifesto that has largely escaped comment.
Indeed. The Dementia Tax has hidden the lack of promises on holding NI as it is.
Sovereign Wealth Fund, a UK shared prosperity fund, a full review of the business rate system, revising utility and transport regulation, Her Majesty's Trade Commissioners, fracking, active support for shipbuilding, and moving chunks of the civil service to the regions, as well as Channel 4, voter ID, extension of FPTP and repeal of the FTPA, working multilaterally to redefine asylum and international aid criteria and the double-lock on Defence.
There was also some broad-brush indications of where the Government want to go on industrial, R&D, culture, productivity and skills (and aligning it with migration) that I thought was interesting, and gave a clear hat-tip to rebalancing the approach of Whitehall away from London and the South-East.
What it's light on is exact detail and numbers. And I wouldn't expect it to be in an election like this.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
A lot of bedwetting as Labour get within 5 points of the Tories (myself included in the wetting).
Ah. Well, that was bound to happen sooner or later. Elections campaigns are unpredictable.
But I can't deny having had several 'WTF?' moments as I caught up on the news today.
You may have also missed 'Mrs May, house snatcher'.
She is after Granny's house.
That was just breaking as I left, and I confess that took me rather by surprise - not to mention its massive political effect.
I expected the double-lock and means-testing of the WFA to be the controversial bits of the manifesto. There's also plenty of other stuff in the Tory manifesto that has largely escaped comment.
Yes - moving to FPTP for PCC and Mayoral elections!
Not sure about this bit.
Boards should take account of the interests not just of shareholders but employees, suppliers and the wider community. To ensure employees’ interests are represented at board level, we will change the law to ensure that listed companies will be required either to nominate a director from the workforce, create a formal employee advisory council or assign specifc responsibility for employee representation to a designated non-executive director. Subject to sensible safeguards, we will introduce, for employees, a right to request information relating to the future direction of the company
I'm not too bothered about that for large publicly voted companies.
You just have an extra voice in the room - "Director for Employees" - who would have a similar weight to the Director for HR.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
Depends if the negative manifesto reaction spurred on a lot of people to say they will vote Labour when they were thinking of sitting out entirely.
Yet the chart shows Labour's increase started *before* the Conservative manifesto, and almost all of the reducing gap is down to Labour's climb, not any fall in the Conservative vote.
SeanT is reducing a complex topic to an overly simple premise. It's almost as if he enjoys panicking.
PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.
Weirdly it isn't trending on Twitter though. And I haven't seen any reference to it on my Facebook feed. In fact, I have only heard it talked about on here.
PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.
Weirdly it isn't trending on Twitter though. And I haven't seen any reference to it on my Facebook feed. In fact, I have only heard it talked about on here.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.
You see? You can't bring yourself to say he wanted more terrorist attacks! It's just too silly. :-)
That isn't the question.
Did he want the perpetrators of the attacks to win?
You can't honestly say no.
No, sorry, we did that in the other thread earlier. Wanting a united Ireland isn't the same as supporting terrorism.
Obviously the strategy is to find something that Corbyn did support, which people can be hoodwinked into thinking is somehow equivalent to supporting terrorism. The more people do that, the more obvious it is that they can't point to any actual expression of support by Corbyn for terrorism.
Are you seriously expecting people to find a direct quote of Corbyn saying "I support the IRA"?
Yes please.
Ah, so you are trolling. I thought so.
Thanks, Edmund!
Not at all. I just think if people are going to accuse Corbyn of supporting the IRA, they need to produce some clear evidence that he did.
It's telling that you find the suggestion so ridiculous.
If you see a small waterfowl waddling past and quacking, do you call it an elephant ?
You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that he ever supported the IRA or even spoke about it.
Supporting the unity of Ireland is not endorsing violence. I support the independence of Scotland.
In any case, ironically, Brexit has brought forward the re-unification of Ireland. And Northern Ireland will not have to wait in the queue to join the EU.
A very fine line between honouring and supporting, apparently
Thank you. That comes closest to what I've been looking for. Commemoration is a kind of support, I suppose. Corbyn does say now that he was commemorating those who had died on both sides, but it's not what he was quoted as saying at the time.
Did he ever attend such a commeration. As opposed to say attending for a number of years and speaking at the annual “Connolly/Sands” commemoration in London to honour dead IRA terrorists and support imprisoned IRA “prisoners of war.”
PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.
Who cares? This was to be expected. The right-wing/hard right-wing press were not going to keep quiet for long. The press arm of the one party state kicking into gear.
PS - a very good evening from Colombo!
It wasn't about whether they kept quiet, it was about whether people would be listening. I think we know the answer to that.
I've been canvassing for the past two days in Sundon Park, a split Labour/Lib. Dem ward. Corbyn is being raised unprompted on the doorsteps, and not in ways that are complimentary. There's a by-election for the council, and several people have emphasised that they'll vote Labour locally, but can't support them nationally.
If that's true, then the Labour brand is just as strong as it's ever been and Theresa May has merely united the Right, rather than chiselling lumps off Labour for good, and Labour's present predicament is largely down to their leader alone.
Given the Labour rise, that does seem plausible. The Tories had dreams of conquering in places they have rarely or never competed in before, but that may be more difficult than thought as the brand of Labour is it turns out too strong. Though I do think Corbyn has turned out less of a turnoff than people think, even as there are too many anecdotal examples to suggest he doesn't turn off anyone.
It appears that the doorstep anecdotes have become fewer and fewer !!
I have answered the call and I will be campaigning in Southampton Test this weekend.
Ah, one of the Labour islands of support in the south. Confident?
I'll tell you once I've canvassed!
It should fall fairly easily if Theresa May is going to achieve her "par" result, so if I don't sense that, I'll certainly report back.
There seems to be a Trump like insistence amongst the Alt-Right in PB to deliberately ignore the fact that Corbyn DID vote in favour of the Good Friday Agreement.
So did everyone else. Why would he not? What does it prove?
PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.
Weirdly it isn't trending on Twitter though. And I haven't seen any reference to it on my Facebook feed. In fact, I have only heard it talked about on here.
Perhaps you don't live in a target area. While I understand SeanT's female followers are legion even he can't get all 1000 of them to press the link 2000 times.
What CCHQ need to do now is a second video of Abbott and McDonnell saying equally unsettling things. Make the point that it's not that Corbyn is the cuckoo in the nest, but that Labour itself is a nest of vipers.
I hope they are listening!
Set against May having to answer 45 minutes on Social Care, WFA, no promises on Income Tax, NI ....................
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.
Weirdly it isn't trending on Twitter though. And I haven't seen any reference to it on my Facebook feed. In fact, I have only heard it talked about on here.
Targeting
That makes a lot of sense as Twitter is notoriously bad at targeting, so if you are going to buy ads buy them on the service that can make sure they go to the right people. With Twitter ads you would end up with people in Eritrea wondering "who is Jeremy Corbyn?"
You see? You can't bring yourself to say he wanted more terrorist attacks! It's just too silly. :-)
That isn't the question.
Did he want the perpetrators of the attacks to win?
You can't honestly say no.
No, sorry, we did that in the other thread earlier. Wanting a united Ireland isn't the same as supporting terrorism.
Obviously the strategy is to find something that Corbyn did support, which people can be hoodwinked into thinking is somehow equivalent to supporting terrorism. The more people do that, the more obvious it is that they can't point to any actual expression of support by Corbyn for terrorism.
Are you seriously expecting people to find a direct quote of Corbyn saying "I support the IRA"?
Yes please.
Ah, so you are trolling. I thought so.
Thanks, Edmund!
Not at all. I just think if people are going to accuse Corbyn of supporting the IRA, they need to produce some clear evidence that he did.
It's telling that you find the suggestion so ridiculous.
If you see a small waterfowl waddling past and quacking, do you call it an elephant ?
You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that he ever supported the IRA or even spoke about it.
Supporting the unity of Ireland is not endorsing violence. I support the independence of Scotland.
In any case, ironically, Brexit has brought forward the re-unification of Ireland. And Northern Ireland will not have to wait in the queue to join the EU.
A very fine line between honouring and supporting, apparently
Thank you. That comes closest to what I've been looking for. Commemoration is a kind of support, I suppose. Corbyn does say now that he was commemorating those who had died on both sides, but it's not what he was quoted as saying at the time.
Did he ever attend such a commeration. As opposed to say attending for a number of years and speaking at the annual “Connolly/Sands” commemoration in London to honour dead IRA terrorists and support imprisoned IRA “prisoners of war.”
I wonder what the reaction would be if a senior Conservative had attended a commemoration organised by Loyalist Prisoners Welfare Association.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
While I'm not denying it looks like a U-turn, the central part of the policy, that the house is included in the calculation of social care costs, has been retained. All that has changed is there is a nebulous commitment to a cap, which will no doubt be selected to have minimal impact on the exchequer.
However, lower the cap, higher the cost to the exchequer. So, there is an inverse direct relationship between keeping people happy and cost to the Treasury.
PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.
Weirdly it isn't trending on Twitter though. And I haven't seen any reference to it on my Facebook feed. In fact, I have only heard it talked about on here.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
While I'm not denying it looks like a U-turn, the central part of the policy, that the house is included in the calculation of social care costs, has been retained. All that has changed is there is a nebulous commitment to a cap, which will no doubt be selected to have minimal impact on the exchequer.
However, lower the cap, higher the cost to the exchequer. So, there is an inverse direct relationship between keeping people happy and cost to the Treasury.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
Quite. The whole point of Facebook ads is that they can be micro-targetted at the precise demographic. I've learned all this from the truly brilliant social media publicity team at my publishers, HarperCollins.
An advertising smart-bomb, whereas a PPB or a poster is like a town crier, and most people tune out or turn off. What you really want is to be able to beam thoughts straight into a person's head, "yes I have always hated the traitor Corbyn".
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.
What I find fascinating about this campaign is that, at almost every turn, the received wisdom has been turned on its head. Maybe this is happening again with Corbyn and the IRA. The thinking was that this had been factored in/was too much in the past/smacked of Tory desperation/was a matter of indifference to young voters. Judging by the video's reach, perhaps this issue will have a real impact.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
Yep,hudders will go up in my opinion and we will get £250,000 payment from the nahki wells deal ;-)
What I find fascinating about this campaign is that, at almost every turn, the received wisdom has been turned on its head. Maybe this is happening again with Corbyn and the IRA. The thinking was that this had been factored in/was too much in the past/smacked of Tory desperation/was a matter of indifference to young voters. Judging by the video's reach, perhaps this issue will have a real impact.
I don't know that the feeling it was factored in was 'the thinking'. It has been my thinking, and some others, but plenty of people have said all along that a lot of people don't know about that part of Corbyn's past and would not like it. We shall see.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
Youster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.
Labour don't appear to be plateauing yet ... but there's not much more vote to squeeze, surely?
That's a meteoric Labour rise.
But, I remain to be convinced it will hold through to polling day.
I am, naively, assuming the polls are not just flat out wrong, that they reflecting a real trend even if the exact numbers may be off. That being the case, I would expect a good Labuor vote share unless we start to see them drop back from the mid 30s over the next week.
So these ads will be going to northern oldsters and swing voters in key seats etc.
Are Northern oldsters typically keen users of social media? (It seems unlikely but maybe I'm just not up with current trends.)
In my experience Facebook is most assiduously used by women in their 50s and above. The younger generation dropped off Facebook except for semi-formal posts when the older gernation came on.
I get a lot of posts about puppies, about Strong Women and heartwarming moral stories about treating people nicely.
PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.
Weirdly it isn't trending on Twitter though. And I haven't seen any reference to it on my Facebook feed. In fact, I have only heard it talked about on here.
Perhaps you don't live in a target area. While I understand SeanT's female followers are legion even he can't get all 1000 of them to press the link 2000 times.
Quite. The whole point of Facebook ads is that they can be micro-targetted at the precise demographic. I've learned all this from the truly brilliant social media publicity team at my publishers, HarperCollins.
e.g. When The Ice Twins came out, they created specific ads and put them on the Facebook feeds of mothers-of-twins who also read a lot of novels.
So these ads will be going to northern oldsters and swing voters in key seats etc.
If I shared that video, I'd receive a ream of abuse from my friends.
That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
It's being held in Cambridge.
Trust the BBC to pick Remainer Central for a programme on the Brexit election.
So these ads will be going to northern oldsters and swing voters in key seats etc.
Are Northern oldsters typically keen users of social media? (It seems unlikely but maybe I'm just not up with current trends.)
In my experience Facebook is most assiduously used by women in their 50s and above. The younger generation dropped off Facebook except for semi-formal posts when the older gernation came on.
I get a lot of posts about puppies, about Strong Women and heartwarming moral stories about treating people nicely.
Imagine my horror when, as a 35-year old, my teenage nephews told me that Facebook was for "old people".
I get babies, virtue-signalling, adverts, and holiday-boasting, mainly.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
It's being held in Cambridge.
Trust the BBC to pick Remainer Central for a programme on the Brexit election.
It's also not really representative of the country at large in terms of voting patterns.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
It's being held in Cambridge.
Question time leaders special to be held in York on 02/06/2017 T May and J Corbyn 20:30 BBC 1.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
It's being held in Cambridge.
Trust the BBC to pick Remainer Central for a programme on the Brexit election.
Cambridge is a terribly unrepresentative place to hold it, almost as much as Boston and Skegness would be.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
Surely what we've seen is Labour climbing in the polls, rather than the Conservatives going significantly down as you'd expect if the causal factor was a negative about the Conservative manifesto?
the Tories have taken a knock - a few % since the manifesto release.
That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.
You've now said this, in basically the same way, about 3,892 times, I think.
We get the point.
Good. Think about it. Then tell us about what a mistake the Dementia tax was!
PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.
Who cares? This was to be expected. The right-wing/hard right-wing press were not going to keep quiet for long. The press arm of the one party state kicking into gear.
PS - a very good evening from Colombo!
It wasn't about whether they kept quiet, it was about whether people would be listening. I think we know the answer to that.
Hope you had a good flight.
Had a good flight thanks. Emirates is a class airline. Would have flown BA if they flew to Colombo (unbelievable as SL is a former British colony). Similarly no direct flight from London to Lusska when I went to Zambia in 2015. BA is now a medium sized operator at best!
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
It's being held in Cambridge.
Question time leaders special to be held in York on 02/06/2017 T May and J Corbyn 20:30 BBC 1.
That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.
They are buggered post-election either way, they win they get to manage Brexit and a possible recession and if they lose...they've lost an election.
PS The video has gone totally viral. Right now it's now getting about 3000 hits a minute.
Who cares? This was to be expected. The right-wing/hard right-wing press were not going to keep quiet for long. The press arm of the one party state kicking into gear.
PS - a very good evening from Colombo!
It wasn't about whether they kept quiet, it was about whether people would be listening. I think we know the answer to that.
Hope you had a good flight.
Had a good flight thanks. Emirates is a class airline. Would have flown BA if they flew to Colombo (unbelievable as SL is a former British colony). Similarly no direct flight from London to Lusska when I went to Zambia in 2015. BA is now a medium sized operator at best!
8th largest in the world when it comes to passenger km, and joint third with Air France in terms of countries served.
In my experience Facebook is most assiduously used by women in their 50s and above. The younger generation dropped off Facebook except for semi-formal posts when the older gernation came on.
I get a lot of posts about puppies, about Strong Women and heartwarming moral stories about treating people nicely.
Facebook's most intensive users are in the age range 25-34.
So, I just got back from a lovely 10-day holiday in northern Portugal.
Did I miss anything?
SeanT regretting sending in his postal vote for the Tories and wishing he had voted for Corbyn's Labour instead.
How many times did he change his mind whilst I was away?
You also missed me reacting like a flashed Victorian spinster to the horror of the Dementia Tax, and going into total meltdown - hysterical even by my standards - with me screaming THIS IS A FUCKING DISASTER for about six hours straight
All the loftier Tories on here told me to shut up and calm down, the policy was jolly sensible, and wouldn't change any votes, it was a great, seriously-minded manifesto, blah blah
Then the polls came out and it turned out I was entirely right, and they were entirely wrong. It was a fucking disaster.
I hope you also noticed that those PB Tories who supported the original manifesto commitment also supported the U-turn. To be fair to you, you did ask for its abandonment immediately.
Yes, and I was right then, too. The U-turn was popular, supported by 32%, and rejected by 20%, according to YouGov (I think)
May says it was not a u turn, and still will not tell us the cap. I hope you can explain .
Won't that be the main Question on QT leaders debate for the tories,soon to find out.
Tyke I think they are holding it in York. Since the BBC moved some of their operations to Salford they seem to use York a lot asking people their views etc. Do you think Huddersfield will make it to the premier league ?
It's being held in Cambridge.
Trust the BBC to pick Remainer Central for a programme on the Brexit election.
It's hardly the Brexit election. Nobody is talking about it. The election is a referendum on Corbyn.
That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.
You've now said this, in basically the same way, about 3,892 times, I think.
We get the point.
Southam is an intelligent poster who posts as the concerned everyman, but is actually an assiduous campaigner.
That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.
They are buggered post-election either way, they win they get to manage Brexit and a possible recession and if they lose...they've lost an election.
Wasn't the same said in 2010 (the recession bit, not Brexit obviously!)
That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.
I thought the main reason Theresa May called an election now was precisely so the Tories could throw detritus at Corbyn instead of waiting until 2020 and risking him being replaced.
That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.
They are buggered post-election either way, they win they get to manage Brexit and a possible recession and if they lose...they've lost an election.
Wasn't the same said in 2010 (the recession bit, not Brexit obviously!)
What CCHQ need to do now is a second video of Abbott and McDonnell saying equally unsettling things. Make the point that it's not that Corbyn is the cuckoo in the nest, but that Labour itself is a nest of vipers.
I hope they are listening!
Ofcourse they are why do you think they did a u-turn. Because SeanT had an almighty fit claiming he wanted to change his vote to Labour.
That the Tories can only win by throwing so much detritus at Corbyn (deserved as it is) is not setting things up well for them post-election. May went into this hoping to be endorsed as the strong and stable mother of the nation. She will exit having lost a lot of her sheen. That will make the blood, sweat and tears, we will fight them on the beaches, white cliffs of Dover Brexit that the Tory right has been counting on and preparing for much harder to sell to voters. She faces a hell of a time after 8th June.
They are buggered post-election either way, they win they get to manage Brexit and a possible recession and if they lose...they've lost an election.
Wasn't the same said in 2010 (the recession bit, not Brexit obviously!)
....good point. But now it must be even more certain there will be one.
So these ads will be going to northern oldsters and swing voters in key seats etc.
Are Northern oldsters typically keen users of social media? (It seems unlikely but maybe I'm just not up with current trends.)
More than 60% of the country is on fb, not just those with computers but of the whole country with Grand parents seeing the biggest growth.
It is spooky how ubiquitous and invisible at the same time a facebook campaign can be. In the 2010 election we could all laugh at the same socking great posters of DC's airbrushed forehead; now I wouldn't have known about the IRA attack ad, but for Guido, and there's no knowing that the 2.1m views aren't clocked up by Labour facebookbot farms rather than actual people. The grauniad is worried about it: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/27/conservatives-facebook-dark-ads-data-protection-election
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you dont have to be a tory to hate the snp, it's open to all :-)
https://www.buzzfeed.com/nancyyoussef/the-pentagon-is-facepalming-hard-over-trumps-disclosure-of?utm_term=.goVrBgyMr#.pxyjvE84j
And this tweet shows a degree of lacking insight:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868840252227674113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIvZ2EBqdEQ
It says it in the bottom left.
bottom left corner.
I dispute the "already priced in" argument about this. We knew or hoped something of this sort was coming, but not that the material would be so good or so well handled. Is there an Oscar for political attack ads?
For fans of Jonathan Meades:
https://life.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/jonathan-meades-has-written-a-cookbook-to-savour/
Ah, well !
PS - a very good evening from Colombo!
I hope they are listening!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png/850px-Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png
Labour don't appear to be plateauing yet ... but there's not much more vote to squeeze, surely?
There was also some broad-brush indications of where the Government want to go on industrial, R&D, culture, productivity and skills (and aligning it with migration) that I thought was interesting, and gave a clear hat-tip to rebalancing the approach of Whitehall away from London and the South-East.
What it's light on is exact detail and numbers. And I wouldn't expect it to be in an election like this.
You just have an extra voice in the room - "Director for Employees" - who would have a similar weight to the Director for HR.
SeanT is reducing a complex topic to an overly simple premise. It's almost as if he enjoys panicking.
Hope you had a good flight.
It should fall fairly easily if Theresa May is going to achieve her "par" result, so if I don't sense that, I'll certainly report back.
Furthermore, lots of transfers from UKIP to the Tories does not necessarily result in seats, like, Eastern England.
OTOH, I think there is now swing to Labour in London.
But, I remain to be convinced it will hold through to polling day.
I get a lot of posts about puppies, about Strong Women and heartwarming moral stories about treating people nicely.
I get babies, virtue-signalling, adverts, and holiday-boasting, mainly.
Newcastle-upon-Tyne would be interesting.
1) Tory jump immediately after election called, seemingly totally at expense of UKIP.
followed by
2) Tory knocked back where they started after Manifesto (i.e removing the froth)
and, concurrently,
3) Labour squeezing Libs and UKIP (and Greens) consistently and hard. This last one has to run out sometime.
This is, of course, if the polls aren't recording nonsense from Labour (heavy weights of non2015 voters etc).
I think there's a non-zero chance of that tbh.
Labour should hire him.