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Fox reporting second device found. Controlled explosion.0
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So it sounds like some cowardly suicide bomber decided to walk up and hang around outside the entrance of the arena waiting for the concert to end, then blew himself up. Sickening and difficult to see how it could be prevented if the bomber was in a public place.0
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Yes, GMP carried out a controlled explosion near Chethams - close to Victoria/Arena.Tim_B said:Fox reporting second device found. Controlled explosion.
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I think line would be that we mustn't allow terrorists to interfere with our democracy.
Also the GE is 17 days away - which is a fair while.
Though even if this happened the day before I would still expect GE to go ahead.0 -
Update on Twitter is that controlled explosion was not a device. GMP not taking any chances, cordon widened.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Yes, GMP carried out a controlled explosion near Chethams - close to Victoria/Arena.Tim_B said:Fox reporting second device found. Controlled explosion.
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Hearing rumours Islamic state claiming responsibility0
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The only incident I can think of where the opposite happened was 9/11 oddly enough. Initial reports all said 5,000 dead and could rise, final death toll was much lower as people were getting double-counted, weren't actually there etcFrancisUrquhart said:
I think we have to prepare ourselves for the number of dead to rise, it always does. NBC said pretty quickly 20+ dead and 100s injured.Floater said:seeing rumours from States of up to 30 dead
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Just seen a video which seems clear it was a nail bomb0
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Some homeless dude entire worldly belongings have just been blown up...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I have BBC news channel on. Very cautious "official" coverage. Maybe rightly, not sure. But slightly weird that they are referencing "American news sources" (by which they mean US news channels who are braver/riskier on publicising the numbers). Not obvious why these US sources should be more reliable than the BBC's own reporters on the scene or close by.0
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I really shouldn't laugh with the horrific news coming out but I did at that.FrancisUrquhart said:
Some homeless dude entire worldly belongings have just been blown up...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Think you were right. Shouldn't laugh but seems a bit of dark humour in that.FrancisUrquhart said:
That could be anything. Some tramps carry bag of belongings will get blown up rather than risked.Philip_Thompson said:GMP going to do a controlled explosion on a second suspected device - sounds lucky that it never went off to be honest.
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There's a few of beggars/rough sleepers in and around Market Street, which is about 2 mins walk from the Arena/Victoria, and Cathedral Gardens is half way between the Arena/Victoria and Market Street.FrancisUrquhart said:
Some homeless dude entire worldly belongings have just been blown up...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
We've always laughed at terrorism.Philip_Thompson said:
Think you were right. Shouldn't laugh but seems a bit of dark humour in that.FrancisUrquhart said:
That could be anything. Some tramps carry bag of belongings will get blown up rather than risked.Philip_Thompson said:GMP going to do a controlled explosion on a second suspected device - sounds lucky that it never went off to be honest.
Remember the whole 'I've been blown up by a better class of bastard than you' sayings.0 -
Sky news starting to quote US sources because they were correct earlier with some info. Now quoting US officials saying its a suspected suicide bombing.0
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Fox News have a close tie with Sky, CNN have stringers I think. 19 killed 50 injured seems to be getting traction.MarkLittlewood said:I have BBC news channel on. Very cautious "official" coverage. Maybe rightly, not sure. But slightly weird that they are referencing "American news sources" (by which they mean US news channels who are braver/riskier on publicising the numbers). Not obvious why these US sources should be more reliable than the BBC's own reporters on the scene or close by.
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19 killed, 50 injured is the official figure published by GMP.Tim_B said:
Fox News have a close tie with Sky, CNN have stringers I think. 19 killed 50 injured seems to be getting traction.MarkLittlewood said:I have BBC news channel on. Very cautious "official" coverage. Maybe rightly, not sure. But slightly weird that they are referencing "American news sources" (by which they mean US news channels who are braver/riskier on publicising the numbers). Not obvious why these US sources should be more reliable than the BBC's own reporters on the scene or close by.
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US and/or our Sky are prepared to broadcast "unofficial" news. In the first hour or so after an incident like this very few people actually know for certain what has really happened.MarkLittlewood said:I have BBC news channel on. Very cautious "official" coverage. Maybe rightly, not sure. But slightly weird that they are referencing "American news sources" (by which they mean US news channels who are braver/riskier on publicising the numbers). Not obvious why these US sources should be more reliable than the BBC's own reporters on the scene or close by.
So far as much as we know:
1, Explosion
2, Talk about a suicide bomber [ rucksack ] - not confirmed by police as yet
3. Approx 20 dead, 50 injured. This could rise.0 -
I know this sounds weird to say, but I can't believe that two incidents have happened in such quick succession this year.TheScreamingEagles said:
We've always laughed at terrorism.Philip_Thompson said:
Think you were right. Shouldn't laugh but seems a bit of dark humour in that.FrancisUrquhart said:
That could be anything. Some tramps carry bag of belongings will get blown up rather than risked.Philip_Thompson said:GMP going to do a controlled explosion on a second suspected device - sounds lucky that it never went off to be honest.
Remember the whole 'I've been blown up by a better class of bastard than you' sayings.
Watching CNN. They're saying attacks like this will be more likely as ISIS loses more and more territory.0 -
Isn't today 4th anniversary of the Lee Rigby killing... the timing is rather suggestive.0
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Lee Rigby being from Middleton, just north of ManchesterAlsoIndigo said:Isn't today 4th anniversary of the Lee Rigby killing... the timing is rather suggestive.
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BBC Live coverage is so slow and sanitised it’s hardly worth following, they're now reporting the arena’s transport links while US news agencies have real time updates and analysis. Whether it's accurate on not remains to be seen.jonny83 said:Sky news starting to quote US sources because they were correct earlier with some info. Now quoting US officials saying its a suspected suicide bombing.
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As a kid I Used to go to Manchester with my mother on shopping trips. As an adult I lived and worked there. Thoughts to the families and friends of those affected. I remember going to Belle Vue Zoo. Manchester was a great place to go.0
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You are probably not aware that German language pro-IS forums were firing out joyful claims of a strike within a hour of the incident.Danny565 said:
IS has official channels that have a track record. Only when they speak do you get certainty that they are as an organisation making a claim.
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Also, the timestamp is apparently US time (i.e. after the attack took place), so probably is a red herring.Y0kel said:
You are probably not aware that German language pro-IS forums were firing out joyful claims of a strike within a hour of the incident.Danny565 said:
IS has official channels that have a track record. Only when they speak do you get certainty that they are as an organisation making a claim.0 -
CNN saying the Arena has released a statement saying the explosion happened outside.0
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Just arrived back in our hotel in Vancouver from a day with our family to be confronted with this outrage.
It is 6.08 pm here and the reporting has reduced my wife and I to tears. The Canadian government have just sent their Nations deepest sympathy and solidarity to the UK.
The reporting is referring to the IRA terrorist days in the UK0 -
Well, these bastards have a month or two to go unless the American-Saudi sponsored units / Turkish units / Syrian-Russians fight amongst themselves.Y0kel said:
You are probably not aware that German language pro-IS forums were firing out joyful claims of a strike within a hour of the incident.Danny565 said:
IS has official channels that have a track record. Only when they speak do you get certainty that they are as an organisation making a claim.
Of course, nutcases who are prepared to kill themselves are difficult to control, once a "cause" as they see it is finished, their numbers will begin to come down. Until some other "cause" comes up.0 -
try to watch Fox News or CNN, assuming you can't get BBC World NewsBig_G_NorthWales said:Just arrived back in our hotel in Vancouver from a day with our family to be confronted with this outrage.
It is 6.08 pm here and the reporting has reduced my wife and I to tears. The Canadian government have just sent their Nations deepest sympathy and solidarity to the UK.
The reporting is referring to the IRA terrorist days in the UK0 -
Well on Canadian TV they are showing injured inside on the concoursesThe_Apocalypse said:CNN saying the Arena has released a statement saying the explosion happened outside.
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GMP presser at 2:40am BST0
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Sky News - GMP statement by the Chief Constable at around 2.40am.0
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The explosion happened in the foyer just after the concert ended. Eye-witness accounts seem to confirm that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well on Canadian TV they are showing injured inside on the concoursesThe_Apocalypse said:CNN saying the Arena has released a statement saying the explosion happened outside.
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You completely fail to understand anything about IS then. They have organisational footholds in about 6 or 7 different countries outside of Syria and Iraq.surbiton said:
Well, these bastards have a month or two to go unless the American-Saudi sponsored units / Turkish units / Syrian-Russians fight amongst themselves.Y0kel said:
You are probably not aware that German language pro-IS forums were firing out joyful claims of a strike within a hour of the incident.Danny565 said:
IS has official channels that have a track record. Only when they speak do you get certainty that they are as an organisation making a claim.
Of course, nutcases who are prepared to kill themselves are difficult to control, once a "cause" as they see it is finished, their numbers will begin to come down. Until some other "cause" comes up.
If you have nothing useful to bring, don't bring it.0 -
Is the IS spokesperson in the US ? The date is like MM/DD/YY and the time is 5 hours behind us ?0
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BBC World is on but cannot receive CNN. Watching Canadian news channels but it is just so upsetting. My daughter and her husband with our granddaughter were there just three weeks agoTim_B said:
try to watch Fox News or CNN, assuming you can't get BBC World NewsBig_G_NorthWales said:Just arrived back in our hotel in Vancouver from a day with our family to be confronted with this outrage.
It is 6.08 pm here and the reporting has reduced my wife and I to tears. The Canadian government have just sent their Nations deepest sympathy and solidarity to the UK.
The reporting is referring to the IRA terrorist days in the UK0 -
5live talking about extensive searches of Manchester hotel rooms.0
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What bullshit are you talking about at this time ? You seem to be very well informed at times like this.Y0kel said:
You completely fail to understand anything about IS then. They have organisational footholds in about 6 or 7 different countries outside of Syria and Iraq.surbiton said:
Well, these bastards have a month or two to go unless the American-Saudi sponsored units / Turkish units / Syrian-Russians fight amongst themselves.Y0kel said:
You are probably not aware that German language pro-IS forums were firing out joyful claims of a strike within a hour of the incident.Danny565 said:
IS has official channels that have a track record. Only when they speak do you get certainty that they are as an organisation making a claim.
Of course, nutcases who are prepared to kill themselves are difficult to control, once a "cause" as they see it is finished, their numbers will begin to come down. Until some other "cause" comes up.
If you have nothing useful to bring, don't bring it.0 -
CNN claiming male identified as suicide bomber0
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BBC World News is good but very cautious in their reporting. This is not necessarily a bad thing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
BBC World is on but cannot receive CNN. Watching Canadian news channels but it is just so upsetting. My daughter and her husband with our granddaughter were there just three weeks agoTim_B said:
try to watch Fox News or CNN, assuming you can't get BBC World NewsBig_G_NorthWales said:Just arrived back in our hotel in Vancouver from a day with our family to be confronted with this outrage.
It is 6.08 pm here and the reporting has reduced my wife and I to tears. The Canadian government have just sent their Nations deepest sympathy and solidarity to the UK.
The reporting is referring to the IRA terrorist days in the UK0 -
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Comparing BBC World News to Canadian/US just now the BBC are very guardedTim_B said:
BBC World News is good but very cautious in their reporting. This is not necessarily a bad thing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
BBC World is on but cannot receive CNN. Watching Canadian news channels but it is just so upsetting. My daughter and her husband with our granddaughter were there just three weeks agoTim_B said:
try to watch Fox News or CNN, assuming you can't get BBC World NewsBig_G_NorthWales said:Just arrived back in our hotel in Vancouver from a day with our family to be confronted with this outrage.
It is 6.08 pm here and the reporting has reduced my wife and I to tears. The Canadian government have just sent their Nations deepest sympathy and solidarity to the UK.
The reporting is referring to the IRA terrorist days in the UK0 -
Can't even read your own posts then.surbiton said:
What bullshit are you talking about at this time ? You seem to be very well informed at times like this.Y0kel said:
You completely fail to understand anything about IS then. They have organisational footholds in about 6 or 7 different countries outside of Syria and Iraq.surbiton said:
Well, these bastards have a month or two to go unless the American-Saudi sponsored units / Turkish units / Syrian-Russians fight amongst themselves.Y0kel said:
You are probably not aware that German language pro-IS forums were firing out joyful claims of a strike within a hour of the incident.Danny565 said:
IS has official channels that have a track record. Only when they speak do you get certainty that they are as an organisation making a claim.
Of course, nutcases who are prepared to kill themselves are difficult to control, once a "cause" as they see it is finished, their numbers will begin to come down. Until some other "cause" comes up.
If you have nothing useful to bring, don't bring it.
These bastards as you call them don't have months at all. The idea that events in Iraq and Syria which you refer to will somehow crush IS is fanciful. If you paid any attention you'd know where they have set up camp & organisational infrastructure and you'd know they wont all die in Syria and Iraq, most will move on to other countries or come home.
Secondly they are not nutters at all. People who carry out mass casualty attacks successfully tend to plan, prepare and attack. They are perfectly capable at what they see as their required duty.
You fail to understand the enemy faced, both IS and the often forgotten Al Qaeda.0 -
Sky claiming May is suspending the conservative GE campaign. The right thing to do, if true I expect the others parties will follow and do the same.0
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Trying to find a reputable source for TM's statement
I can only find;
https://twitter.com/GlobalsNewsroom
Surely there must be something more official?0 -
Sky read it out loud too. Probably been issued as a statement to the media of which Global is a part of.Pong said:Trying to find a reputable source for theresa may's statement
I can only find;
https://twitter.com/GlobalsNewsroom
Surely there must be something more official?0 -
BBC-Live: PM's election campaign suspendedPong said:Trying to find a reputable source for TM's statement
I can only find;
https://twitter.com/GlobalsNewsroom
Surely there must be something more official?
Posted at 2:37
A Conservative source told the Press Association that the prime minister's general election campaign was being suspended.
Wise move, I think she's going to be rather preoccupied with Cobra.0 -
Here in Canada both Canadian and US media saying it is a terrorist attack and likening it to the Irish troublesPong said:Trying to find a reputable source for TM's statement
I can only find;
https://twitter.com/GlobalsNewsroom
Surely there must be something more official?0 -
It was the local elections that were postponed (from a procedural point of view). The GE had not been called at the time that the decision to postpone was taken, so Parliament was simply not dissolved until later.Philip_Thompson said:
That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.not_on_fire said:
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & MouthPhilip_Thompson said:
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?rcs1000 said:
No.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
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And it would be impossible to campaign in these circumstancesSimonStClare said:
BBC-Live: PM's election campaign suspendedPong said:Trying to find a reputable source for TM's statement
I can only find;
https://twitter.com/GlobalsNewsroom
Surely there must be something more official?
Posted at 2:37
A Conservative source told the Press Association that the prime minister's general election campaign was being suspended.
Wise move, I think she's going to be rather preoccupied with Cobra.0 -
There are some quite sickening twitter posts from some people saying how convienet this is for Theresa May - 19 people some of them children have just been killed fro goodness sake0
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Trolling is sickening and the result of the misuse of twitter/facebook.marke09 said:There are some quite sickening twitter posts from some people saying how convienet this is for Theresa May - 19 people some of them children have just been killed fro goodness sake
Best to ignore the trash who do this0 -
Remember if this is Islamic extremism, do not necessarily bet the entire house on IS.0
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Getting the tone right in the coming days will also be important.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And it would be impossible to campaign in these circumstancesSimonStClare said:
BBC-Live: PM's election campaign suspendedPong said:Trying to find a reputable source for TM's statement
I can only find;
https://twitter.com/GlobalsNewsroom
Surely there must be something more official?
Posted at 2:37
A Conservative source told the Press Association that the prime minister's general election campaign was being suspended.
Wise move, I think she's going to be rather preoccupied with Cobra.0 -
Agreedoxfordsimon said:
Getting the tone right in the coming days will also be important.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And it would be impossible to campaign in these circumstancesSimonStClare said:
BBC-Live: PM's election campaign suspendedPong said:Trying to find a reputable source for TM's statement
I can only find;
https://twitter.com/GlobalsNewsroom
Surely there must be something more official?
Posted at 2:37
A Conservative source told the Press Association that the prime minister's general election campaign was being suspended.
Wise move, I think she's going to be rather preoccupied with Cobra.0 -
There are bound to be idiots on Twitter (some have shown their hand already) who claim this proves candidate X is unfit for office. Unless it is the action of a terrorist group one of the candidates has historically been seen as sympathetic to (unlikely, given MO) this shouldn't have a major impact - again unless like the 2004 Madrid bombings one of the parties seeks to make political capital out of it and gets it completely wrong. With a bit of luck our politicians will be too sensible.oxfordsimon said:
Getting the tone right in the coming days will also be important.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And it would be impossible to campaign in these circumstancesSimonStClare said:
BBC-Live: PM's election campaign suspendedPong said:Trying to find a reputable source for TM's statement
I can only find;
https://twitter.com/GlobalsNewsroom
Surely there must be something more official?
Posted at 2:37
A Conservative source told the Press Association that the prime minister's general election campaign was being suspended.
Wise move, I think she's going to be rather preoccupied with Cobra.0 -
Could the Queen summon a new Parliament to meet immediately. Is it stated in law that the Commons must be elected? Interesting hypothetical.OblitusSumMe said:
It was the local elections that were postponed (from a procedural point of view). The GE had not been called at the time that the decision to postpone was taken, so Parliament was simply not dissolved until later.Philip_Thompson said:
That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.not_on_fire said:
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & MouthPhilip_Thompson said:
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?rcs1000 said:
No.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
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RIP to all the victims. A truly heinous crime.0
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I expect the narrative to change to security and keeping people safe.CarlottaVance said:
There are bound to be idiots on Twitter (some have shown their hand already) who claim this proves candidate X is unfit for office. Unless it is the action of a terrorist group one of the candidates has historically been seen as sympathetic to (unlikely, given MO) this shouldn't have a major impact - again unless like the 2004 Madrid bombings one of the parties seeks to make political capital out of it and gets it completely wrong. With a bit of luck our politicians will be too sensible.oxfordsimon said:
Getting the tone right in the coming days will also be important.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And it would be impossible to campaign in these circumstancesSimonStClare said:
BBC-Live: PM's election campaign suspendedPong said:Trying to find a reputable source for TM's statement
I can only find;
https://twitter.com/GlobalsNewsroom
Surely there must be something more official?
Posted at 2:37
A Conservative source told the Press Association that the prime minister's general election campaign was being suspended.
Wise move, I think she's going to be rather preoccupied with Cobra.
I would expect there to be a period of respect0 -
The campaign probably won't get started again proper until the weekend.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I expect the narrative to change to security and keeping people safe.CarlottaVance said:
There are bound to be idiots on Twitter (some have shown their hand already) who claim this proves candidate X is unfit for office. Unless it is the action of a terrorist group one of the candidates has historically been seen as sympathetic to (unlikely, given MO) this shouldn't have a major impact - again unless like the 2004 Madrid bombings one of the parties seeks to make political capital out of it and gets it completely wrong. With a bit of luck our politicians will be too sensible.oxfordsimon said:
Getting the tone right in the coming days will also be important.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And it would be impossible to campaign in these circumstancesSimonStClare said:
BBC-Live: PM's election campaign suspendedPong said:Trying to find a reputable source for TM's statement
I can only find;
https://twitter.com/GlobalsNewsroom
Surely there must be something more official?
Posted at 2:37
A Conservative source told the Press Association that the prime minister's general election campaign was being suspended.
Wise move, I think she's going to be rather preoccupied with Cobra.
I would expect there to be a period of respect0 -
I don't know the constitutional position on this - but there is no way that we could cancel the election at this stage. It would look like giving in to terrorism and no-one is going to appear to do that.RobD said:
Could the Queen summon a new Parliament to meet immediately. Is it stated in law that the Commons must be elected? Interesting hypothetical.OblitusSumMe said:
It was the local elections that were postponed (from a procedural point of view). The GE had not been called at the time that the decision to postpone was taken, so Parliament was simply not dissolved until later.Philip_Thompson said:
That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.not_on_fire said:
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & MouthPhilip_Thompson said:
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?rcs1000 said:
No.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
Yes, it is an interesting hypothetical (and one I actually considered a couple of weeks ago without reaching any conclusions) but the political reality is such that we have to proceed.0 -
Absolutely agree, was only interested in the hypothetical.oxfordsimon said:
I don't know the constitutional position on this - but there is no way that we could cancel the election at this stage. It would look like giving in to terrorism and no-one is going to appear to do that.RobD said:
Could the Queen summon a new Parliament to meet immediately. Is it stated in law that the Commons must be elected? Interesting hypothetical.OblitusSumMe said:
It was the local elections that were postponed (from a procedural point of view). The GE had not been called at the time that the decision to postpone was taken, so Parliament was simply not dissolved until later.Philip_Thompson said:
That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.not_on_fire said:
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & MouthPhilip_Thompson said:
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?rcs1000 said:
No.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
Yes, it is an interesting hypothetical (and one I actually considered a couple of weeks ago without reaching any conclusions) but the political reality is such that we have to proceed.0 -
Specifically targeting children coming out of a teeny gig is f*cking outrageous.
The justification will be "you kill our kids in Yemen/Syria/Iraq/Palestine/Chechnya/Belfast/etc, so we kill yours"
F*cking zombies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts
g'night.
RIP, kids.0 -
You can't be a member of the Commons without being elected, but the Queen has the power to appoint whoever she wishes to be her Ministers, and the Ministers and Privy Council have quite considerable powers.RobD said:
Could the Queen summon a new Parliament to meet immediately. Is it stated in law that the Commons must be elected? Interesting hypothetical.OblitusSumMe said:
It was the local elections that were postponed (from a procedural point of view). The GE had not been called at the time that the decision to postpone was taken, so Parliament was simply not dissolved until later.Philip_Thompson said:
That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.not_on_fire said:
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & MouthPhilip_Thompson said:
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?rcs1000 said:
No.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
For understandable reasons I expect that the Commons would resist the Queen seeking to appoint its members.
Anyway, keep calm and carry on.0 -
Interesting, so once Parliament is dissolved there is no mechanism of summoning another without an election? You are right about the Privy Council, and executive powers.OblitusSumMe said:
You can't be a member of the Commons without being elected, but the Queen has the power to appoint whoever she wishes to be her Ministers, and the Ministers and Privy Council have quite considerable powers.RobD said:
Could the Queen summon a new Parliament to meet immediately. Is it stated in law that the Commons must be elected? Interesting hypothetical.OblitusSumMe said:
It was the local elections that were postponed (from a procedural point of view). The GE had not been called at the time that the decision to postpone was taken, so Parliament was simply not dissolved until later.Philip_Thompson said:
That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.not_on_fire said:
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & MouthPhilip_Thompson said:
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?rcs1000 said:
No.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
For understandable reasons I expect that the Commons would resist the Queen seeking to appoint its members.
Anyway, keep calm and carry on.0 -
The Netflix show "Designated Survivor" shows what the situation is in the US, where Governors can appoint new Senators, but there has to be an election to replace the House of Representatives, and thus be able to pass a budget. No elected representatives, no budget.RobD said:Interesting, so once Parliament is dissolved there is no mechanism of summoning another without an election? You are right about the Privy Council, and executive powers.
That's why the English Civil War was fought and the US inherited that from us.0 -
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Horrible news from Manchester. Love and prayers for the victims and their families. It's very hard to be aeay from home when you wake up to news like this. You just want to be close to the ones you love. I cannot begin to imagine what it must be like for those affected.0
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The worst thing is seeing the tweets from people still looking for friends/family.0
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In principle, yes. If a period of official national mourning were declared, the election clock would be effectively suspended for the duration since that period wouldn't be counted when determining the days since the election writ was moved. This came up a while back, when discussing what would happen if the Queen died in the middle of an election campaign.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
Officially declaring a period of national mourning over this tragic incident seems highly unlikely, but it is a theoretical possibility,0 -
The BBC are talking live to a woman trying to find her daughter. Deeply distressing - but I am not sure it was the right editorial decision to put that distress on air live like that.
The presenter is asking inane questions and really make it worse.0 -
Very distressingoxfordsimon said:The BBC are talking live to a woman trying to find her daughter. Deeply distressing - but I am not sure it was the right editorial decision to put that distress on air live like that.
The presenter is asking inane questions and really make it worse.
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The election has to go ahead. Democracy cannot concede to terror. The vile scum who did this and who support it can be handed no kind of victory. We go on, we endure and in the end we win.Robert_Of_Sheffield said:
In principle, yes. If a period of official national mourning were declared, the election clock would be effectively suspended for the duration since that period wouldn't be counted when determining the days since the election writ was moved. This came up a while back, when discussing what would happen if the Queen died in the middle of an election campaign.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
Officially declaring a period of national mourning over this tragic incident seems highly unlikely, but it is a theoretical possibility,
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Might just have to re-watch Neil's great opening speech to This Week after the attacks in France.SouthamObserver said:
The election has to go ahead. Democracy cannot concede to terror. The vile scum who did this and who support it can be handed no kind of victory. We go on, we endure and in the end we win.Robert_Of_Sheffield said:
In principle, yes. If a period of official national mourning were declared, the election clock would be effectively suspended for the duration since that period wouldn't be counted when determining the days since the election writ was moved. This came up a while back, when discussing what would happen if the Queen died in the middle of an election campaign.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
Officially declaring a period of national mourning over this tragic incident seems highly unlikely, but it is a theoretical possibility,0 -
Bloody hell, I went to bed just as the first reports on PB appeared - had no idea until now that so many people were killed and injured.
Condolences to all those affected.
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Christ. Went to bed last night in blissful ignorance of this.
Our security services have had a lot of successes in stopping this kind of horror but this one has got through. My thoughts and sympathy with the victims and their families.0 -
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.The_Apocalypse said:
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.MarqueeMark said:
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.The_Apocalypse said:
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.0 -
What's the saying, they need to get lucky every day?DavidL said:Christ. Went to bed last night in blissful ignorance of this.
Our security services have had a lot of successes in stopping this kind of horror but this one has got through. My thoughts and sympathy with the victims and their families.0 -
Like David, I had an early night and have just woken up to the news. Tragic and appalling. I feel for the families.
It appears the bomber just waited outside by the exit for the concert to end, probably surrounded by ordinary people waiting for concertgoers to emerge. If they didn't act suspiciously and we had no prior intelligence it is hard to see what could have been done to stop it.
I hope, after a suitable pause, the election resumes and that we don't allow this atrocity to deflect us from demonstrating the strength of our democracy, in a sober and mature way.0 -
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.The_Apocalypse said:
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.MarqueeMark said:
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.The_Apocalypse said:
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.0 -
Been to Manchester Victoria quite a few times over the last six months, and even went to the National Football Museum in March. Although I didn't realise the Arena adjoined the station so closely.0
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I would hope, and indeed expect, that even the more extreme elements of our media would have sufficient respect for the victims to exercise a degree of restraint in subsequent coverage.RobD said:
Sober and mature? Unlikely, I'm afraid!IanB2 said:
I hope, after a suitable pause, the election resumes and that we don't allow this atrocity to deflect us from demonstrating the strength of our democracy, in a sober and mature way.0 -
Sounds like hope in the face of experience to me. There is no way that security, already an issue in the campaign, is not going to have massively higher salience in the public mind after this event, especially given the equivocal level of condemnation for terrorism in certain quarters.IanB2 said:
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.The_Apocalypse said:
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.MarqueeMark said:
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.The_Apocalypse said:
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.0 -
Oh, I just meant in terms of normal policy arguments, not related to the attack at all.IanB2 said:
I would hope, and indeed expect, that even the more extreme elements of our media would have sufficient respect for the victims to exercise a degree of restraint in subsequent coverage.RobD said:
Sober and mature? Unlikely, I'm afraid!IanB2 said:
I hope, after a suitable pause, the election resumes and that we don't allow this atrocity to deflect us from demonstrating the strength of our democracy, in a sober and mature way.0 -
We should take our lead from the French. Security was obviously an issue in the French election, after their series of appalling incidents, but it doesn't appear to have unduly distorted the outcome and took its place alongside healthy debate on the other important issues.AlsoIndigo said:
Sounds like hope in the face of experience to me. There is no way that security, already an issue in the campaign, is not going to have massively higher salience in the public mind after this event, especially given the equivocal level of condemnation for terrorism in certain quarters.IanB2 said:
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.The_Apocalypse said:
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.MarqueeMark said:
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.The_Apocalypse said:
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.0 -
Indeed. And the ongoing Social Care fiasco which has dominated the last week will now fall off the agenda. May needs to be very careful about her tone but it is difficult not to see this working to her advantage.AlsoIndigo said:
Sounds like hope in the face of experience to me. There is no way that security, already an issue in the campaign, is not going to have massively higher salience in the public mind after this event, especially given the equivocal level of condemnation for terrorism in certain quarters.IanB2 said:
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.The_Apocalypse said:
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.MarqueeMark said:
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.The_Apocalypse said:
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.0 -
Especially if her opponents are unable to come out and straight up condemn this disgrace in the most unabiguous and forthright terms.DavidL said:
Indeed. And the ongoing Social Care fiasco which has dominated the last week will now fall off the agenda. May needs to be very careful about her tone but it is difficult not to see this working to her advantage.AlsoIndigo said:
Sounds like hope in the face of experience to me. There is no way that security, already an issue in the campaign, is not going to have massively higher salience in the public mind after this event, especially given the equivocal level of condemnation for terrorism in certain quarters.IanB2 said:
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.The_Apocalypse said:
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.MarqueeMark said:
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.The_Apocalypse said:
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.0 -
The media on the left will be praying the culprits weren't Islamic while on the right theyll be praying they are.DavidL said:
Indeed. And the ongoing Social Care fiasco which has dominated the last week will now fall off the agenda. May needs to be very careful about her tone but it is difficult not to see this working to her advantage.AlsoIndigo said:
Sounds like hope in the face of experience to me. There is no way that security, already an issue in the campaign, is not going to have massively higher salience in the public mind after this event, especially given the equivocal level of condemnation for terrorism in certain quarters.IanB2 said:
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.The_Apocalypse said:
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.MarqueeMark said:
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.The_Apocalypse said:
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.
They'll be a mentally ill lone wolf who's concerns and motivations we need to understand or an organised wider movement of hate that needs condemned out right.
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That will get settled very quickly as soon as they determine the explosive used in the device, lone wolfs for example probably dont have access to C4notme said:
They'll be a mentally ill lone wolf who's concerns and motivations we need to understand or an organised wider movement of hate that needs condemned out right.DavidL said:
Indeed. And the ongoing Social Care fiasco which has dominated the last week will now fall off the agenda. May needs to be very careful about her tone but it is difficult not to see this working to her advantage.AlsoIndigo said:
Sounds like hope in the face of experience to me. There is no way that security, already an issue in the campaign, is not going to have massively higher salience in the public mind after this event, especially given the equivocal level of condemnation for terrorism in certain quarters.IanB2 said:
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.edmundintokyo said:
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.The_Apocalypse said:
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.MarqueeMark said:
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.The_Apocalypse said:
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.
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The implications for the general election are stark.
I expect the Prime Minister to handle this outrage in a calm and measured fashion and yes this will play into the theme of "strong and stable leadership".
I expect Jezza to be politically eviscerated. There will be no hiding place for his equivocations on terrorism. One chink in the coming days and he is utterly done. Even if he managed to find a form of words that appear appropriate to this event, the damage from his previous statements will come back with a vengeance.
The general election is over for Jezza, even more so than it was before.0 -
Yep. The election is done. Corbyn is unelectable and days like today show why.JackW said:The implications for the general election are stark.
I expect the Prime Minister to handle this outrage in a calm and measured fashion and yes this will play into the theme of "strong and stable leadership".
I expect Jezza to be politically eviscerated. There will be no hiding place for his equivocations on terrorism. One chink in the coming days and he is utterly done. Even if he managed to find a form of words that appear appropriate to this event, the damage from his previous statements will come back with a vengeance.
The general election is over for Jezza, even more so than it was before.
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Terrible thing to happen, all those poor parents and family members impacted by this.
There will be an impact on the election I think. Talking with my daughters late 20 year old friend the other day, for him and his friends, the IRA were old history, something he was taught about in school. Therefore Corbyn and McDonnell's IRA support was meaningless.
Given the last time Manchester was bombed was the IRA attacking the Armadale Centre in 1996 ithis event might just make him and others of his generation understand how disgraceful Corbyn and McDonnell were and are to support another terrorist organisation.0
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