So it sounds like some cowardly suicide bomber decided to walk up and hang around outside the entrance of the arena waiting for the concert to end, then blew himself up. Sickening and difficult to see how it could be prevented if the bomber was in a public place.
I think we have to prepare ourselves for the number of dead to rise, it always does. NBC said pretty quickly 20+ dead and 100s injured.
The only incident I can think of where the opposite happened was 9/11 oddly enough. Initial reports all said 5,000 dead and could rise, final death toll was much lower as people were getting double-counted, weren't actually there etc
I have BBC news channel on. Very cautious "official" coverage. Maybe rightly, not sure. But slightly weird that they are referencing "American news sources" (by which they mean US news channels who are braver/riskier on publicising the numbers). Not obvious why these US sources should be more reliable than the BBC's own reporters on the scene or close by.
Some homeless dude entire worldly belongings have just been blown up...
There's a few of beggars/rough sleepers in and around Market Street, which is about 2 mins walk from the Arena/Victoria, and Cathedral Gardens is half way between the Arena/Victoria and Market Street.
Sky news starting to quote US sources because they were correct earlier with some info. Now quoting US officials saying its a suspected suicide bombing.
I have BBC news channel on. Very cautious "official" coverage. Maybe rightly, not sure. But slightly weird that they are referencing "American news sources" (by which they mean US news channels who are braver/riskier on publicising the numbers). Not obvious why these US sources should be more reliable than the BBC's own reporters on the scene or close by.
Fox News have a close tie with Sky, CNN have stringers I think. 19 killed 50 injured seems to be getting traction.
I have BBC news channel on. Very cautious "official" coverage. Maybe rightly, not sure. But slightly weird that they are referencing "American news sources" (by which they mean US news channels who are braver/riskier on publicising the numbers). Not obvious why these US sources should be more reliable than the BBC's own reporters on the scene or close by.
Fox News have a close tie with Sky, CNN have stringers I think. 19 killed 50 injured seems to be getting traction.
19 killed, 50 injured is the official figure published by GMP.
I have BBC news channel on. Very cautious "official" coverage. Maybe rightly, not sure. But slightly weird that they are referencing "American news sources" (by which they mean US news channels who are braver/riskier on publicising the numbers). Not obvious why these US sources should be more reliable than the BBC's own reporters on the scene or close by.
US and/or our Sky are prepared to broadcast "unofficial" news. In the first hour or so after an incident like this very few people actually know for certain what has really happened.
So far as much as we know: 1, Explosion 2, Talk about a suicide bomber [ rucksack ] - not confirmed by police as yet 3. Approx 20 dead, 50 injured. This could rise.
Sky news starting to quote US sources because they were correct earlier with some info. Now quoting US officials saying its a suspected suicide bombing.
BBC Live coverage is so slow and sanitised it’s hardly worth following, they're now reporting the arena’s transport links while US news agencies have real time updates and analysis. Whether it's accurate on not remains to be seen.
As a kid I Used to go to Manchester with my mother on shopping trips. As an adult I lived and worked there. Thoughts to the families and friends of those affected. I remember going to Belle Vue Zoo. Manchester was a great place to go.
Just arrived back in our hotel in Vancouver from a day with our family to be confronted with this outrage.
It is 6.08 pm here and the reporting has reduced my wife and I to tears. The Canadian government have just sent their Nations deepest sympathy and solidarity to the UK.
The reporting is referring to the IRA terrorist days in the UK
You are probably not aware that German language pro-IS forums were firing out joyful claims of a strike within a hour of the incident.
IS has official channels that have a track record. Only when they speak do you get certainty that they are as an organisation making a claim.
Well, these bastards have a month or two to go unless the American-Saudi sponsored units / Turkish units / Syrian-Russians fight amongst themselves.
Of course, nutcases who are prepared to kill themselves are difficult to control, once a "cause" as they see it is finished, their numbers will begin to come down. Until some other "cause" comes up.
Just arrived back in our hotel in Vancouver from a day with our family to be confronted with this outrage.
It is 6.08 pm here and the reporting has reduced my wife and I to tears. The Canadian government have just sent their Nations deepest sympathy and solidarity to the UK.
The reporting is referring to the IRA terrorist days in the UK
try to watch Fox News or CNN, assuming you can't get BBC World News
You are probably not aware that German language pro-IS forums were firing out joyful claims of a strike within a hour of the incident.
IS has official channels that have a track record. Only when they speak do you get certainty that they are as an organisation making a claim.
Well, these bastards have a month or two to go unless the American-Saudi sponsored units / Turkish units / Syrian-Russians fight amongst themselves.
Of course, nutcases who are prepared to kill themselves are difficult to control, once a "cause" as they see it is finished, their numbers will begin to come down. Until some other "cause" comes up.
You completely fail to understand anything about IS then. They have organisational footholds in about 6 or 7 different countries outside of Syria and Iraq.
If you have nothing useful to bring, don't bring it.
Just arrived back in our hotel in Vancouver from a day with our family to be confronted with this outrage.
It is 6.08 pm here and the reporting has reduced my wife and I to tears. The Canadian government have just sent their Nations deepest sympathy and solidarity to the UK.
The reporting is referring to the IRA terrorist days in the UK
try to watch Fox News or CNN, assuming you can't get BBC World News
BBC World is on but cannot receive CNN. Watching Canadian news channels but it is just so upsetting. My daughter and her husband with our granddaughter were there just three weeks ago
You are probably not aware that German language pro-IS forums were firing out joyful claims of a strike within a hour of the incident.
IS has official channels that have a track record. Only when they speak do you get certainty that they are as an organisation making a claim.
Well, these bastards have a month or two to go unless the American-Saudi sponsored units / Turkish units / Syrian-Russians fight amongst themselves.
Of course, nutcases who are prepared to kill themselves are difficult to control, once a "cause" as they see it is finished, their numbers will begin to come down. Until some other "cause" comes up.
You completely fail to understand anything about IS then. They have organisational footholds in about 6 or 7 different countries outside of Syria and Iraq.
If you have nothing useful to bring, don't bring it.
What bullshit are you talking about at this time ? You seem to be very well informed at times like this.
Just arrived back in our hotel in Vancouver from a day with our family to be confronted with this outrage.
It is 6.08 pm here and the reporting has reduced my wife and I to tears. The Canadian government have just sent their Nations deepest sympathy and solidarity to the UK.
The reporting is referring to the IRA terrorist days in the UK
try to watch Fox News or CNN, assuming you can't get BBC World News
BBC World is on but cannot receive CNN. Watching Canadian news channels but it is just so upsetting. My daughter and her husband with our granddaughter were there just three weeks ago
BBC World News is good but very cautious in their reporting. This is not necessarily a bad thing.
Not really, remember women were among those recently arrested in anti-terror operations. And there have been plenty of female suicide bombers elsewhere.
Just arrived back in our hotel in Vancouver from a day with our family to be confronted with this outrage.
It is 6.08 pm here and the reporting has reduced my wife and I to tears. The Canadian government have just sent their Nations deepest sympathy and solidarity to the UK.
The reporting is referring to the IRA terrorist days in the UK
try to watch Fox News or CNN, assuming you can't get BBC World News
BBC World is on but cannot receive CNN. Watching Canadian news channels but it is just so upsetting. My daughter and her husband with our granddaughter were there just three weeks ago
BBC World News is good but very cautious in their reporting. This is not necessarily a bad thing.
Comparing BBC World News to Canadian/US just now the BBC are very guarded
You are probably not aware that German language pro-IS forums were firing out joyful claims of a strike within a hour of the incident.
IS has official channels that have a track record. Only when they speak do you get certainty that they are as an organisation making a claim.
Well, these bastards have a month or two to go unless the American-Saudi sponsored units / Turkish units / Syrian-Russians fight amongst themselves.
Of course, nutcases who are prepared to kill themselves are difficult to control, once a "cause" as they see it is finished, their numbers will begin to come down. Until some other "cause" comes up.
You completely fail to understand anything about IS then. They have organisational footholds in about 6 or 7 different countries outside of Syria and Iraq.
If you have nothing useful to bring, don't bring it.
What bullshit are you talking about at this time ? You seem to be very well informed at times like this.
Can't even read your own posts then.
These bastards as you call them don't have months at all. The idea that events in Iraq and Syria which you refer to will somehow crush IS is fanciful. If you paid any attention you'd know where they have set up camp & organisational infrastructure and you'd know they wont all die in Syria and Iraq, most will move on to other countries or come home.
Secondly they are not nutters at all. People who carry out mass casualty attacks successfully tend to plan, prepare and attack. They are perfectly capable at what they see as their required duty.
You fail to understand the enemy faced, both IS and the often forgotten Al Qaeda.
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & Mouth
That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.
It was the local elections that were postponed (from a procedural point of view). The GE had not been called at the time that the decision to postpone was taken, so Parliament was simply not dissolved until later.
There are some quite sickening twitter posts from some people saying how convienet this is for Theresa May - 19 people some of them children have just been killed fro goodness sake
There are some quite sickening twitter posts from some people saying how convienet this is for Theresa May - 19 people some of them children have just been killed fro goodness sake
Trolling is sickening and the result of the misuse of twitter/facebook.
BBC-Live: PM's election campaign suspended Posted at 2:37
A Conservative source told the Press Association that the prime minister's general election campaign was being suspended.
Wise move, I think she's going to be rather preoccupied with Cobra.
And it would be impossible to campaign in these circumstances
Getting the tone right in the coming days will also be important.
There are bound to be idiots on Twitter (some have shown their hand already) who claim this proves candidate X is unfit for office. Unless it is the action of a terrorist group one of the candidates has historically been seen as sympathetic to (unlikely, given MO) this shouldn't have a major impact - again unless like the 2004 Madrid bombings one of the parties seeks to make political capital out of it and gets it completely wrong. With a bit of luck our politicians will be too sensible.
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & Mouth
That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.
It was the local elections that were postponed (from a procedural point of view). The GE had not been called at the time that the decision to postpone was taken, so Parliament was simply not dissolved until later.
Could the Queen summon a new Parliament to meet immediately. Is it stated in law that the Commons must be elected? Interesting hypothetical.
BBC-Live: PM's election campaign suspended Posted at 2:37
A Conservative source told the Press Association that the prime minister's general election campaign was being suspended.
Wise move, I think she's going to be rather preoccupied with Cobra.
And it would be impossible to campaign in these circumstances
Getting the tone right in the coming days will also be important.
There are bound to be idiots on Twitter (some have shown their hand already) who claim this proves candidate X is unfit for office. Unless it is the action of a terrorist group one of the candidates has historically been seen as sympathetic to (unlikely, given MO) this shouldn't have a major impact - again unless like the 2004 Madrid bombings one of the parties seeks to make political capital out of it and gets it completely wrong. With a bit of luck our politicians will be too sensible.
I expect the narrative to change to security and keeping people safe.
BBC-Live: PM's election campaign suspended Posted at 2:37
A Conservative source told the Press Association that the prime minister's general election campaign was being suspended.
Wise move, I think she's going to be rather preoccupied with Cobra.
And it would be impossible to campaign in these circumstances
Getting the tone right in the coming days will also be important.
There are bound to be idiots on Twitter (some have shown their hand already) who claim this proves candidate X is unfit for office. Unless it is the action of a terrorist group one of the candidates has historically been seen as sympathetic to (unlikely, given MO) this shouldn't have a major impact - again unless like the 2004 Madrid bombings one of the parties seeks to make political capital out of it and gets it completely wrong. With a bit of luck our politicians will be too sensible.
I expect the narrative to change to security and keeping people safe.
I would expect there to be a period of respect
The campaign probably won't get started again proper until the weekend.
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & Mouth
That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.
It was the local elections that were postponed (from a procedural point of view). The GE had not been called at the time that the decision to postpone was taken, so Parliament was simply not dissolved until later.
Could the Queen summon a new Parliament to meet immediately. Is it stated in law that the Commons must be elected? Interesting hypothetical.
I don't know the constitutional position on this - but there is no way that we could cancel the election at this stage. It would look like giving in to terrorism and no-one is going to appear to do that.
Yes, it is an interesting hypothetical (and one I actually considered a couple of weeks ago without reaching any conclusions) but the political reality is such that we have to proceed.
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & Mouth
That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.
It was the local elections that were postponed (from a procedural point of view). The GE had not been called at the time that the decision to postpone was taken, so Parliament was simply not dissolved until later.
Could the Queen summon a new Parliament to meet immediately. Is it stated in law that the Commons must be elected? Interesting hypothetical.
I don't know the constitutional position on this - but there is no way that we could cancel the election at this stage. It would look like giving in to terrorism and no-one is going to appear to do that.
Yes, it is an interesting hypothetical (and one I actually considered a couple of weeks ago without reaching any conclusions) but the political reality is such that we have to proceed.
Absolutely agree, was only interested in the hypothetical.
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & Mouth
That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.
It was the local elections that were postponed (from a procedural point of view). The GE had not been called at the time that the decision to postpone was taken, so Parliament was simply not dissolved until later.
Could the Queen summon a new Parliament to meet immediately. Is it stated in law that the Commons must be elected? Interesting hypothetical.
You can't be a member of the Commons without being elected, but the Queen has the power to appoint whoever she wishes to be her Ministers, and the Ministers and Privy Council have quite considerable powers.
For understandable reasons I expect that the Commons would resist the Queen seeking to appoint its members.
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & Mouth
That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.
It was the local elections that were postponed (from a procedural point of view). The GE had not been called at the time that the decision to postpone was taken, so Parliament was simply not dissolved until later.
Could the Queen summon a new Parliament to meet immediately. Is it stated in law that the Commons must be elected? Interesting hypothetical.
You can't be a member of the Commons without being elected, but the Queen has the power to appoint whoever she wishes to be her Ministers, and the Ministers and Privy Council have quite considerable powers.
For understandable reasons I expect that the Commons would resist the Queen seeking to appoint its members.
Anyway, keep calm and carry on.
Interesting, so once Parliament is dissolved there is no mechanism of summoning another without an election? You are right about the Privy Council, and executive powers.
Interesting, so once Parliament is dissolved there is no mechanism of summoning another without an election? You are right about the Privy Council, and executive powers.
The Netflix show "Designated Survivor" shows what the situation is in the US, where Governors can appoint new Senators, but there has to be an election to replace the House of Representatives, and thus be able to pass a budget. No elected representatives, no budget.
That's why the English Civil War was fought and the US inherited that from us.
Horrible news from Manchester. Love and prayers for the victims and their families. It's very hard to be aeay from home when you wake up to news like this. You just want to be close to the ones you love. I cannot begin to imagine what it must be like for those affected.
In principle, yes. If a period of official national mourning were declared, the election clock would be effectively suspended for the duration since that period wouldn't be counted when determining the days since the election writ was moved. This came up a while back, when discussing what would happen if the Queen died in the middle of an election campaign.
Officially declaring a period of national mourning over this tragic incident seems highly unlikely, but it is a theoretical possibility,
The BBC are talking live to a woman trying to find her daughter. Deeply distressing - but I am not sure it was the right editorial decision to put that distress on air live like that.
The presenter is asking inane questions and really make it worse.
The BBC are talking live to a woman trying to find her daughter. Deeply distressing - but I am not sure it was the right editorial decision to put that distress on air live like that.
The presenter is asking inane questions and really make it worse.
In principle, yes. If a period of official national mourning were declared, the election clock would be effectively suspended for the duration since that period wouldn't be counted when determining the days since the election writ was moved. This came up a while back, when discussing what would happen if the Queen died in the middle of an election campaign.
Officially declaring a period of national mourning over this tragic incident seems highly unlikely, but it is a theoretical possibility,
The election has to go ahead. Democracy cannot concede to terror. The vile scum who did this and who support it can be handed no kind of victory. We go on, we endure and in the end we win.
In principle, yes. If a period of official national mourning were declared, the election clock would be effectively suspended for the duration since that period wouldn't be counted when determining the days since the election writ was moved. This came up a while back, when discussing what would happen if the Queen died in the middle of an election campaign.
Officially declaring a period of national mourning over this tragic incident seems highly unlikely, but it is a theoretical possibility,
The election has to go ahead. Democracy cannot concede to terror. The vile scum who did this and who support it can be handed no kind of victory. We go on, we endure and in the end we win.
Might just have to re-watch Neil's great opening speech to This Week after the attacks in France.
Christ. Went to bed last night in blissful ignorance of this.
Our security services have had a lot of successes in stopping this kind of horror but this one has got through. My thoughts and sympathy with the victims and their families.
This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.
Christ. Went to bed last night in blissful ignorance of this.
Our security services have had a lot of successes in stopping this kind of horror but this one has got through. My thoughts and sympathy with the victims and their families.
What's the saying, they need to get lucky every day?
Like David, I had an early night and have just woken up to the news. Tragic and appalling. I feel for the families.
It appears the bomber just waited outside by the exit for the concert to end, probably surrounded by ordinary people waiting for concertgoers to emerge. If they didn't act suspiciously and we had no prior intelligence it is hard to see what could have been done to stop it.
I hope, after a suitable pause, the election resumes and that we don't allow this atrocity to deflect us from demonstrating the strength of our democracy, in a sober and mature way.
I hope, after a suitable pause, the election resumes and that we don't allow this atrocity to deflect us from demonstrating the strength of our democracy, in a sober and mature way.
This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.
Been to Manchester Victoria quite a few times over the last six months, and even went to the National Football Museum in March. Although I didn't realise the Arena adjoined the station so closely.
I hope, after a suitable pause, the election resumes and that we don't allow this atrocity to deflect us from demonstrating the strength of our democracy, in a sober and mature way.
Sober and mature? Unlikely, I'm afraid!
I would hope, and indeed expect, that even the more extreme elements of our media would have sufficient respect for the victims to exercise a degree of restraint in subsequent coverage.
This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.
Sounds like hope in the face of experience to me. There is no way that security, already an issue in the campaign, is not going to have massively higher salience in the public mind after this event, especially given the equivocal level of condemnation for terrorism in certain quarters.
I hope, after a suitable pause, the election resumes and that we don't allow this atrocity to deflect us from demonstrating the strength of our democracy, in a sober and mature way.
Sober and mature? Unlikely, I'm afraid!
I would hope, and indeed expect, that even the more extreme elements of our media would have sufficient respect for the victims to exercise a degree of restraint in subsequent coverage.
Oh, I just meant in terms of normal policy arguments, not related to the attack at all.
This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.
Sounds like hope in the face of experience to me. There is no way that security, already an issue in the campaign, is not going to have massively higher salience in the public mind after this event, especially given the equivocal level of condemnation for terrorism in certain quarters.
We should take our lead from the French. Security was obviously an issue in the French election, after their series of appalling incidents, but it doesn't appear to have unduly distorted the outcome and took its place alongside healthy debate on the other important issues.
This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.
Sounds like hope in the face of experience to me. There is no way that security, already an issue in the campaign, is not going to have massively higher salience in the public mind after this event, especially given the equivocal level of condemnation for terrorism in certain quarters.
Indeed. And the ongoing Social Care fiasco which has dominated the last week will now fall off the agenda. May needs to be very careful about her tone but it is difficult not to see this working to her advantage.
This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.
Sounds like hope in the face of experience to me. There is no way that security, already an issue in the campaign, is not going to have massively higher salience in the public mind after this event, especially given the equivocal level of condemnation for terrorism in certain quarters.
Indeed. And the ongoing Social Care fiasco which has dominated the last week will now fall off the agenda. May needs to be very careful about her tone but it is difficult not to see this working to her advantage.
Especially if her opponents are unable to come out and straight up condemn this disgrace in the most unabiguous and forthright terms.
This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.
Sounds like hope in the face of experience to me. There is no way that security, already an issue in the campaign, is not going to have massively higher salience in the public mind after this event, especially given the equivocal level of condemnation for terrorism in certain quarters.
Indeed. And the ongoing Social Care fiasco which has dominated the last week will now fall off the agenda. May needs to be very careful about her tone but it is difficult not to see this working to her advantage.
The media on the left will be praying the culprits weren't Islamic while on the right theyll be praying they are.
They'll be a mentally ill lone wolf who's concerns and motivations we need to understand or an organised wider movement of hate that needs condemned out right.
This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.
PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.
Disagree, that's exactly what it means. Betting creates information, and information is useful, *especially* during events that create a fast, hard-to-scrutinize policy response.
We don't want to think about Party political arguments right now, that's the point. No-one should want an election outcome stained by this event, and we can only hope that when the campaign resumes it does so where it left off.
Sounds like hope in the face of experience to me. There is no way that security, already an issue in the campaign, is not going to have massively higher salience in the public mind after this event, especially given the equivocal level of condemnation for terrorism in certain quarters.
Indeed. And the ongoing Social Care fiasco which has dominated the last week will now fall off the agenda. May needs to be very careful about her tone but it is difficult not to see this working to her advantage.
They'll be a mentally ill lone wolf who's concerns and motivations we need to understand or an organised wider movement of hate that needs condemned out right.
That will get settled very quickly as soon as they determine the explosive used in the device, lone wolfs for example probably dont have access to C4
The implications for the general election are stark.
I expect the Prime Minister to handle this outrage in a calm and measured fashion and yes this will play into the theme of "strong and stable leadership".
I expect Jezza to be politically eviscerated. There will be no hiding place for his equivocations on terrorism. One chink in the coming days and he is utterly done. Even if he managed to find a form of words that appear appropriate to this event, the damage from his previous statements will come back with a vengeance.
The general election is over for Jezza, even more so than it was before.
The implications for the general election are stark.
I expect the Prime Minister to handle this outrage in a calm and measured fashion and yes this will play into the theme of "strong and stable leadership".
I expect Jezza to be politically eviscerated. There will be no hiding place for his equivocations on terrorism. One chink in the coming days and he is utterly done. Even if he managed to find a form of words that appear appropriate to this event, the damage from his previous statements will come back with a vengeance.
The general election is over for Jezza, even more so than it was before.
Yep. The election is done. Corbyn is unelectable and days like today show why.
Terrible thing to happen, all those poor parents and family members impacted by this.
There will be an impact on the election I think. Talking with my daughters late 20 year old friend the other day, for him and his friends, the IRA were old history, something he was taught about in school. Therefore Corbyn and McDonnell's IRA support was meaningless.
Given the last time Manchester was bombed was the IRA attacking the Armadale Centre in 1996 ithis event might just make him and others of his generation understand how disgraceful Corbyn and McDonnell were and are to support another terrorist organisation.
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Also the GE is 17 days away - which is a fair while.
Though even if this happened the day before I would still expect GE to go ahead.
Remember the whole 'I've been blown up by a better class of bastard than you' sayings.
So far as much as we know:
1, Explosion
2, Talk about a suicide bomber [ rucksack ] - not confirmed by police as yet
3. Approx 20 dead, 50 injured. This could rise.
Watching CNN. They're saying attacks like this will be more likely as ISIS loses more and more territory.
IS has official channels that have a track record. Only when they speak do you get certainty that they are as an organisation making a claim.
It is 6.08 pm here and the reporting has reduced my wife and I to tears. The Canadian government have just sent their Nations deepest sympathy and solidarity to the UK.
The reporting is referring to the IRA terrorist days in the UK
Of course, nutcases who are prepared to kill themselves are difficult to control, once a "cause" as they see it is finished, their numbers will begin to come down. Until some other "cause" comes up.
If you have nothing useful to bring, don't bring it.
These bastards as you call them don't have months at all. The idea that events in Iraq and Syria which you refer to will somehow crush IS is fanciful. If you paid any attention you'd know where they have set up camp & organisational infrastructure and you'd know they wont all die in Syria and Iraq, most will move on to other countries or come home.
Secondly they are not nutters at all. People who carry out mass casualty attacks successfully tend to plan, prepare and attack. They are perfectly capable at what they see as their required duty.
You fail to understand the enemy faced, both IS and the often forgotten Al Qaeda.
I can only find;
https://twitter.com/GlobalsNewsroom
Surely there must be something more official?
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A Conservative source told the Press Association that the prime minister's general election campaign was being suspended.
Wise move, I think she's going to be rather preoccupied with Cobra.
Best to ignore the trash who do this
I would expect there to be a period of respect
Yes, it is an interesting hypothetical (and one I actually considered a couple of weeks ago without reaching any conclusions) but the political reality is such that we have to proceed.
The justification will be "you kill our kids in Yemen/Syria/Iraq/Palestine/Chechnya/Belfast/etc, so we kill yours"
F*cking zombies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts
g'night.
RIP, kids.
For understandable reasons I expect that the Commons would resist the Queen seeking to appoint its members.
Anyway, keep calm and carry on.
That's why the English Civil War was fought and the US inherited that from us.
Officially declaring a period of national mourning over this tragic incident seems highly unlikely, but it is a theoretical possibility,
The presenter is asking inane questions and really make it worse.
Condolences to all those affected.
Our security services have had a lot of successes in stopping this kind of horror but this one has got through. My thoughts and sympathy with the victims and their families.
It appears the bomber just waited outside by the exit for the concert to end, probably surrounded by ordinary people waiting for concertgoers to emerge. If they didn't act suspiciously and we had no prior intelligence it is hard to see what could have been done to stop it.
I hope, after a suitable pause, the election resumes and that we don't allow this atrocity to deflect us from demonstrating the strength of our democracy, in a sober and mature way.
They'll be a mentally ill lone wolf who's concerns and motivations we need to understand or an organised wider movement of hate that needs condemned out right.
I expect the Prime Minister to handle this outrage in a calm and measured fashion and yes this will play into the theme of "strong and stable leadership".
I expect Jezza to be politically eviscerated. There will be no hiding place for his equivocations on terrorism. One chink in the coming days and he is utterly done. Even if he managed to find a form of words that appear appropriate to this event, the damage from his previous statements will come back with a vengeance.
The general election is over for Jezza, even more so than it was before.
There will be an impact on the election I think. Talking with my daughters late 20 year old friend the other day, for him and his friends, the IRA were old history, something he was taught about in school. Therefore Corbyn and McDonnell's IRA support was meaningless.
Given the last time Manchester was bombed was the IRA attacking the Armadale Centre in 1996 ithis event might just make him and others of his generation understand how disgraceful Corbyn and McDonnell were and are to support another terrorist organisation.