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1st?
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2nd tho no great achievement0
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Andy Burnham now involved. Phew - what a relief.0
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Sounds awful.0
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This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.0
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People being shipped out to all the Greater Manchester A & Es, so they must be expecting big casualties.0
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Totally off topic, the Germans have today - for the first time since the creation of the Euro - acknowledged that low inflation has made it harder for peripheral countries to recover.
Guys, if you'd recognized this about seven years ago, an awful lot of human suffering might have been avoided.0 -
Not sure this is the time for GE talk, but I would think that a) all GE coverage is off for the rest of the week and b) I would think screaming terrorist sympathizer at Jezza (although true) might be now seen as in bad taste.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
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I was thinking that - but felt now not the time to worry about the politicsMarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
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Bloody hell. That is a lot!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:People being shipped out to all the Greater Manchester A & Es, so they must be expecting big casualties.
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NBC reporter was saying 30 mins ago casualties were in the 100s.dixiedean said:
Bloody hell. That is a lot!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:People being shipped out to all the Greater Manchester A & Es, so they must be expecting big casualties.
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Nail bomb would cause loads of minor as well as major injuries, so does sound consistent with what we've heard.dixiedean said:
Bloody hell. That is a lot!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:People being shipped out to all the Greater Manchester A & Es, so they must be expecting big casualties.
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Sky saying all emergency resources in Manchester are being sent to the arena.0
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Yep. Not really the time for this discussion, but I can imagine that the Tories will keep re running the interview when he expresses his uncertainty about shoot to kill.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
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Not great news. <Local hotels taking in unaccompanied kids. Big incident.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Nail bomb would cause loads of minor as well as major injuries, so does sound consistent with what we've heard.dixiedean said:
Bloody hell. That is a lot!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:People being shipped out to all the Greater Manchester A & Es, so they must be expecting big casualties.
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Theres something else going on elsewhere in Greater Manchester.
I said earlier that the suicide bomber idea was floated. Someone I know who is good at assessing this kind of stuff reckons its a matching MO for incident, location and planned targeting approach but that is an assessment not a fact.0 -
When France and Belgium in particular were on the receiving end of atrocities, I sensed in the media a degree of misplaced hubris about our own security services. There was even suggestion that our superior intelligence might be a bargaining chip in Brexit talks.
Recent events remind me of the IRA statement after the Brighton bombing: "remember we only have to be lucky once. You will have to be lucky always."0 -
Confirmed "shrapnel type injuries" ( for Yokel)0
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Oldham.Y0kel said:Theres something else going on elsewhere in Greater Manchester.
I said earlier that the suicide bomber idea was floated. Someone I know who is good at assessing this kind of stuff reckons its a matching MO for incident, location and planned targeting approach but that is an assessment not a fact.0 -
I was waiting to be seen at Rochdale hospital as this happened and at 11.30 we were all told that there had been a major incident with many expected casualties and to leave and come back tomorrow.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:People being shipped out to all the Greater Manchester A & Es, so they must be expecting big casualties.
Utterly sickening news, and for me in the city where I live and work and having been to the Arena and Victoria many times without ever feeling vulnerable.0 -
So sad. I remember the attacks in Manchester and Warrington when I was growing up. My neighbour was injured in Warrington, and it could have been anyone I knew or me, I was luckily playing a football tournament on that day.
I have to say that I couldn't fathom it when I was growing up, nor now, how people could do this sort of thing in the name of religion. Just senseless.0 -
Its his job now, he's not muscling in and I'm no fan of his. Now is not a time for politics though I have certain thoughts running through my head right now about a certain individual they can wait for another day.Tim_B said:0 -
GMP statement soon.0
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No, thats not it.OUT said:
Oldham.Y0kel said:Theres something else going on elsewhere in Greater Manchester.
I said earlier that the suicide bomber idea was floated. Someone I know who is good at assessing this kind of stuff reckons its a matching MO for incident, location and planned targeting approach but that is an assessment not a fact.0 -
Cnbc reporting suspected suicide bombing via U.S. intelligence briefing0
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Horrible news from Manchester Arena tonight, made worse that it may involve many youngsters. Condolences to them and their families.0
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Excitable rumours about an incident at a hospital.OUT said:
Oldham.Y0kel said:Theres something else going on elsewhere in Greater Manchester.
I said earlier that the suicide bomber idea was floated. Someone I know who is good at assessing this kind of stuff reckons its a matching MO for incident, location and planned targeting approach but that is an assessment not a fact.
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The US media seem to be well ahead on this story. I don't know if British media are just being extra extra cautious on reporting on this or if US intelligence have info.Tony said:Cnbc reporting suspected suicide bombing via U.S. intelligence briefing
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reminded me of the sun headline: "Your money or your lives"camel said:When France and Belgium in particular were on the receiving end of atrocities, I sensed in the media a degree of misplaced hubris about our own security services. There was even suggestion that our superior intelligence might be a bargaining chip in Brexit talks.
Recent events remind me of the IRA statement after the Brighton bombing: "remember we only have to be lucky once. You will have to be lucky always."
Not looking so clever now.
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I agree. Not really a fan of Burnham but it is his time to step up. He has a strategic role to link police and health service and local council approaches, and a moral duty to encourage calm, praise heroes and helpful citizens, plan for the future.Philip_Thompson said:
Its his job now, he's not muscling in and I'm no fan of his. Now is not a time for politics though I have certain thoughts running through my head right now about a certain individual they can wait for another day.Tim_B said:0 -
19 dead, 50 injured from GMP statement.0
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Oldham Council has denied this is happening.Floater said:
Excitable rumours about an incident at a hospital.OUT said:
Oldham.Y0kel said:Theres something else going on elsewhere in Greater Manchester.
I said earlier that the suicide bomber idea was floated. Someone I know who is good at assessing this kind of stuff reckons its a matching MO for incident, location and planned targeting approach but that is an assessment not a fact.0 -
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19 dead ffs0
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19 people dead according to GMP. 50 injured. Being treated as a terrorist incident. - Sky News0
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As I say excitable rumoursDanny565 said:
Oldham Council has denied this is happening.Floater said:
Excitable rumours about an incident at a hospital.OUT said:
Oldham.Y0kel said:Theres something else going on elsewhere in Greater Manchester.
I said earlier that the suicide bomber idea was floated. Someone I know who is good at assessing this kind of stuff reckons its a matching MO for incident, location and planned targeting approach but that is an assessment not a fact.
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I am sure Burnham will do fine. He is a long time professional career politician and a minister when incidents have occurred. I am sure he can handle the job of mayor in such a situation.0
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How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.0 -
I was at the Arena 14 days ago watching Iron Maiden. Brilliant gig, great evening with friends and so many fans. That 2 weeks later some other people have been slaughtered at their gig is too awful to contemplate.
This is not a time for politics.0 -
I lived and worked in London during the 70s IRA bombing campaign. You just got on with life and heard the 'WHUMP' of the explosions in the distance. I remember Leila Khaled who hijacked 2 planes from Heathrow from memory.Nemtynakht said:So sad. I remember the attacks in Manchester and Warrington when I was growing up. My neighbour was injured in Warrington, and it could have been anyone I knew or me, I was luckily playing a football tournament on that day.
I have to say that I couldn't fathom it when I was growing up, nor now, how people could do this sort of thing in the name of religion. Just senseless.
Apparently 19 dead, unknown injured.0 -
Bugger, much worse than I feared.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:19 dead, 50 injured from GMP statement.
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Awful. Targeting children too.. whoever the perpetrators are have a special place in hell reserved for them.0
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RIP to all the victims and condolences to their families.
Also condolences to those with loved ones who have been injured.0 -
Fox echoes those numbersSimonStClare said:
Bugger, much worse than I feared.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:19 dead, 50 injured from GMP statement.
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This is just ghastly.
Poor innocents.0 -
In situations like this , if you want fast but ofetn inaccurate news then listen to CNN, NBC etc. If you want verifiable but late news then listen to BBC. I find SKY News is suually between the two and what I try to watch.0
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Idiots on Twitter spreading false rumours of a man with a gun in Oldham hospital0
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Suicide bomber looks 90% sadly.0
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I saw them a couple of years ago...they can still do it.RochdalePioneers said:I was at the Arena 14 days ago watching Iron Maiden. Brilliant gig, great evening with friends and so many fans. That 2 weeks later some other people have been slaughtered at their gig is too awful to contemplate.
This is not a time for politics.
Bit of light relief, about 15 years ago I was returning from Portugal. The plane was supposed to Monarch, but for some reason was it was a charter airline called Astraeus, Over the intercom this distinctive voice rang out...hello my name is Bruce Dickinson and I will be your captain today...you say what...0 -
May I just commend your sentiments and your taste in musicRochdalePioneers said:I was at the Arena 14 days ago watching Iron Maiden. Brilliant gig, great evening with friends and so many fans. That 2 weeks later some other people have been slaughtered at their gig is too awful to contemplate.
This is not a time for politics.
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Bugger. That is all for now,0
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Absolutely.RochdalePioneers said:I was at the Arena 14 days ago watching Iron Maiden. Brilliant gig, great evening with friends and so many fans. That 2 weeks later some other people have been slaughtered at their gig is too awful to contemplate.
This is not a time for politics.0 -
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.The_Apocalypse said:
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.0 -
The Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain) shows a reducing number of terrorist incidents by decade, but that - when they occur - they are much more deadly.RobD said:0 -
Incident took part OUTSIDE the venue in a public space.0
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Yeah - he is a qualified airline pilotFrancisUrquhart said:
I saw them a couple of years ago...they can still do it.RochdalePioneers said:I was at the Arena 14 days ago watching Iron Maiden. Brilliant gig, great evening with friends and so many fans. That 2 weeks later some other people have been slaughtered at their gig is too awful to contemplate.
This is not a time for politics.
Bit of light relief, about 15 years ago I was returning from Portugal. The plane was supposed to Monarch, but for some reason was it was a charter airline called Astraeus, Over the intercom this distinctive voice rang out...hello my name is Bruce Dickinson and I will be your captain today...you say what...
Friend of mine once dated a girl who had dated one of Maidens other lead singers
Stories :-)0 -
Watching BBC World News and Fox News concurrently. Fox's coverage (with Sky) is better than th Beeb0
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Fuckjonny83 said:19 people dead according to GMP. 50 injured. Being treated as a terrorist incident. - Sky News
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Nate Silver covered this in this Signal and the Noise book - there is a strong power law relationship between the number of casualties and the frequency of such incidentsrcs1000 said:
The Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain) shows a reducing number of terrorist incidents by decade, but that - when they occur - they are much more deadly.RobD said:0 -
Horrific. Was just checking the news channels before bed as this broke. Am rather worried that if those death and injury numbers have been officially issued already, they are only likely to rise and possibly by a lot. Both sad and sick in about equal measure.0
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Corbyn has his Andrew Neil interview on the 26th.0
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An attack that will turn children's hair white.
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Yes, early numbers tend to rise so prepare for worse.MarkLittlewood said:Horrific. Was just checking the news channels before bed as this broke. Am rather worried that if those death and injury numbers have been officially issued already, they are only likely to rise and possibly by a lot. Both sad and sick in about equal measure.
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I was nowhere near either but remember being shocked that they were both places I had been to. I think that it is particularly difficult to post in the right manner. Obviously my thoughts go out to those affected, but most people will be thinking of the politics and how it will affect the election as well. I will go to bed before I say something inappropriate.Tim_B said:
I lived and worked in London during the 70s IRA bombing campaign. You just got on with life and heard the 'WHUMP' of the explosions in the distance. I remember Leila Khaled who hijacked 2 planes from Heathrow from memory.Nemtynakht said:So sad. I remember the attacks in Manchester and Warrington when I was growing up. My neighbour was injured in Warrington, and it could have been anyone I knew or me, I was luckily playing a football tournament on that day.
I have to say that I couldn't fathom it when I was growing up, nor now, how people could do this sort of thing in the name of religion. Just senseless.
Apparently 19 dead, unknown injured.
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I dont really want to make any political point - but if JC is aked for opinion on this bombing and then followed up by his opinion on Manchester IRA bombing or Warrington...it is unlikley he will come out of it well0
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Indeed, I wonder if some of the betting markets are suspended, but then I imagine some can't be. I'd feel dirty profiting off something like this but some possibly would. Unpleasant but true.MarqueeMark said:
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.The_Apocalypse said:
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.0 -
NBC say suicide bomber with rucksack bomb.0
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CBS News confirms a large group of young girls are among the 19 dead following alleged terror attack at Ariana Grande concert in England0
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CBS News confirms a large group of young girls are among the 19 dead following alleged terror attack at Ariana Grande concert in England0
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Could the GE be suspended / delayed?0
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CBS News confirms there were two explosions at the Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, Englad - the devices contained nails.0
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PB being a betting site doesn't mean that incidents like these are a time to think about politics, especially so soon after the incident.MarqueeMark said:
This is a betting site. This terrible event has betting implications. Harsh, but there will be consequences of this action. And I don't see how how any of them are good for Jeremy Corbyn, being offered up as our next Prime Minister.The_Apocalypse said:
How some people's first thoughts during incidents like this can be political is beyond me.MarqueeMark said:This going to have a huge impact on the election. Labour are going to pay the price for offering up as our Prime Minister a guy who will be pilloried in coming days as the terrorists' friend.
That your side were already nailed on to win the GE makes it even worse.
But I am not placing bets, to cash in. That would seem particularly distasteful.0 -
No.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
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GMP going to do a controlled explosion on a second suspected device - sounds lucky that it never went off to be honest.0
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Look at the long list of prevented attacks. Thank you to those who help keep us safe.rcs1000 said:
The Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain) shows a reducing number of terrorist incidents by decade, but that - when they occur - they are much more deadly.RobD said:0 -
That could be anything. Some tramps carry bag of belongings will get blown up rather than risked.Philip_Thompson said:GMP going to do a controlled explosion on a second suspected device - sounds lucky that it never went off to be honest.
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It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?rcs1000 said:
No.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
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Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & MouthPhilip_Thompson said:
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?rcs1000 said:
No.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
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Its a good job nobody in the running to get control of the levers of power wants to get rid of the likes of MI5.nunu said:
Look at the long list of prevented attacks. Thank you to those who help keep us safe.rcs1000 said:
The Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain) shows a reducing number of terrorist incidents by decade, but that - when they occur - they are much more deadly.RobD said:-1 -
seeing rumours from States of up to 30 dead0
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Not now, not nowFrancisUrquhart said:
Its a good job nobody in the running to get control of the levers of power wants to get rid of the likes of MI5.nunu said:
Look at the long list of prevented attacks. Thank you to those who help keep us safe.rcs1000 said:
The Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain) shows a reducing number of terrorist incidents by decade, but that - when they occur - they are much more deadly.RobD said:0 -
I'll be in the city centre on Wednesday, along with thousands of others watching United in Stockholm, it's going to be a very strange atmosphere.0
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I think we have to prepare ourselves for the number of dead to rise, it always does. NBC said pretty quickly 20+ dead and 100s injured.Floater said:seeing rumours from States of up to 30 dead
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That took an Act of Parliament from memory. Parliament's been dissolved so there can't be a new Act of Parliament so it would require either an existing Act like the Civil Contingencies Act or some other power to be invoked.not_on_fire said:
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & MouthPhilip_Thompson said:
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?rcs1000 said:
No.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
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Preventing the spread of contagion is slightly different from an isolated incident.not_on_fire said:
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & MouthPhilip_Thompson said:
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?rcs1000 said:
No.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
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Press conference by GMP at 2. I'd expect worse news.0
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Some reports now of shrapnel and nails. The death toll could rise.0
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I'm not trying to claim that this incident will or should delay the GE, just pointing out that there is a precedent for short notice postponements of electionsSimonStClare said:
Preventing the spread of contagion is slightly different from an isolated incident.not_on_fire said:
Remember the 2001 GE got delayed due to Foot & MouthPhilip_Thompson said:
It could couldn't it? It won't, but the Civil Contingencies Act gives the power to do that I thought?rcs1000 said:
No.FrancisUrquhart said:Could the GE be suspended / delayed?
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