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Well, it clearly depends on other variables, as I didn’tScott_P said:
I did. Top of the pageYBarddCwsc said:Well, I just googled dementia tax, I didn’t get that.
However, I did find an interesting booklet called the Dementia Tax by the Alzheimer’ Society. I didn’t know about it.
It is railing against the shabby treatment of dementia sufferers by an uncaring social policy devised by a cruel Government.
It was published in 2008.0 -
"Potentially"SeanT said:
lol. Look at the sales.Andrew said:
Yeah, I had one around 2004 iirc (an MDA Compact), and was on the internet in 1993 - saw the potential a long way ahead. Assistants are just shite though.glw said:
You could have written much the same around 2005 or earlier about smartphones. There were people like me with smartphones, and PDAs before that, but we were few and far between. Then came the iPhone and Android and everything changed.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/03/10/alexa-could-be-amazons-next-big-winner.html
"RBC Capital Markets analyst Mark Mahaney thinks Alexa could be the next big thing for Amazon, potentially generating $10 billion in revenue by as soon as 2020."
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Extrapolate that for 3 weeks and you are well within "hung" parliament territory.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you take Sunil's ELBOW, Labour has put on 7 points in 4 weeks. Tories 1.
Where are the recent Labour votes coming from ? The Tories, I suspect.0 -
I suggest it is a strategic mistake for Labour to try to make "Tax" the main subject of the election, given their ambitious spending and funding plans.Scott_P said:
(And that is irrespective of the rights and wrongs of any parties' proposals for funding care of dementia sufferers)0 -
They can and most will but if they are wealthy pensioners it could cost themTOPPING said:
UKIP voters can pat themselves on the back for a job well done. They can now head back to their old allegiances.HYUFD said:
Apart from UKIP, they want to abolish inheritance tax completely, oppose May's plans to make the home liable for personal care costs and would integrate the NHS and social care, want to keep the triple lock and full WFA payments and are firmly behind Brexit but I doubt any of that will stop Nuttall from losing over half his voters, especially pensionersTOPPING said:
Indeed. The point being there is no safe haven for wealthy pensioners right now.HYUFD said:
Not on IHT he is not,TOPPING said:
£2m .Scrapheap_as_was said:
Should this also apply if they own a £2M home? What value is acceptable?bigjohnowls said:
Indeed where Grandma surviveswhat you wish by the Govt.surbiton said:
Do you work in CCHQ ?MarqueeMark said:
The best way for the Tories to approach the Care Issue is for Theresa May to expend some of her undoubted mountain of personal capital with the voters. She has to go in to bat.Sandpit said:
That's much better. Mrs Strong&Stable back on the front pages.TheScreamingEagles said:
She is sticking by the policy because it is the fair thing to do. Yes, the new system is not perfect, and there will be some losers - some may not get the full level of inheritance they were hoping for. This will be looked at - and efforts made to minimise the impact where possible.
But the system will ensure couples are now able to pass on £200,000 of their wealth - up from £46,000. It will cure the iniquity of people being to forced to sell their property in their lifetime to cover the cost of their care bills. Yes, some of the wealthiest might have their net worth exposed to being used to meet the cost of their future care needs. We will look to ensuring there is an insurance to reduce that risk - perhaps a state-backed scheme where the premiums also come out
Many will have heard scare stories about how their houses will be stolen. This is the lowest form of politics from people who should know better, but will resort to any low trick to grab your vote. Believe me when I say, we have looked at the alternatives, but what we have proposed is the fairest basis.0 -
So. How do Labour plan to subsidise the inheritances of the moderately wealthy ?Disraeli said:
I suggest it is a strategic mistake for Labour to try to make "Tax" the main subject of the election, given their ambitious spending and funding plans.Scott_P said:
(And that is irrespective of the rights and wrongs of any parties' proposals for funding care of dementia sufferers)0 -
But they'll end up being right. There's a huge backlash coming over personal data, Apple is the one company that treats you as the customer rather than the product.glw said:
My pet theory is that Apple has boxed themselves into a corner with their whole "we don't look at or sell your data, you are the customer not a product" approach. It is very hard to do the sorts of things Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Microsoft are doing without "big data" to mine for training assistants, Apple has to try and do everything privately on the client device rather than with aggregated data in the cloud.SeanT said:It's very striking that Apple still haven't got their own home assistant on the market yet.
20 years ago, they would surely have been the pioneers here, first out of the blocks, in what is clearly going to be the groundbreaking personal tech of the future, the new smartphone, the next PC.
Instead, despite being the biggest tech company in the world, they are letting their rivals steal a march, and they might never catch up, even as they faff around with turkeys like the Apple Watch.
I suspect there are quite a few engineers at Apple who regret some of the public stances Apple has taken over the last few years.0 -
And to think this woman could be in charge of this country's security in a few weeks' time.DavidL said:
Bitch.RobD said:
I think Dianne's comment is far more damaging:Pulpstar said:My Nan had to move into a home, and her estate was totally cleaned out save for about 10k me and my brother got between us and a small bit to my parents I think.
Care home fees demolish your lives' hard work. That said the tax is a massive blunder. Thankfully Corbyn and the IRA seem to have jumped to BBC most read...
[Ireland] is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.
A victory for Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell would be a moral disaster.0 -
I wonder if I'm headed for the shit show of an accumulator of Brexit, Trump, and a Corbyn led Labour party winning power all within 12 months?Cyclefree said:
And to think this woman could be in charge of this country's security in a few weeks' time.DavidL said:
Bitch.RobD said:
I think Dianne's comment is far more damaging:Pulpstar said:My Nan had to move into a home, and her estate was totally cleaned out save for about 10k me and my brother got between us and a small bit to my parents I think.
Care home fees demolish your lives' hard work. That said the tax is a massive blunder. Thankfully Corbyn and the IRA seem to have jumped to BBC most read...
[Ireland] is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.
A victory for Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell would be a moral disaster.
Edit - Please Roger, don't reply with 'No' to this post.0 -
Has anyone thought for a moment why is this Nurse going to food banks ? Scottish nurses are paid more than English nurses.RobD said:
Wow! Which sane political party attacks nurses?!Saltire said:
https://twitter.com/agcolehamilton/status/866400302978793474HaroldO said:Stay classy SNP:
https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/866403949615689728
The poor women is getting hell on twitter now.0 -
I tell you, if that happens, I will give up politics altogether. My (Tory) friend predicted:TheScreamingEagles said:
I wonder if I'm headed for the shit show of an accumulator of Brexit, Trump, and a Corbyn led Labour party winning power all within 12 months?Cyclefree said:
And to think this woman could be in charge of this country's security in a few weeks' time.DavidL said:
Bitch.RobD said:
I think Dianne's comment is far more damaging:Pulpstar said:My Nan had to move into a home, and her estate was totally cleaned out save for about 10k me and my brother got between us and a small bit to my parents I think.
Care home fees demolish your lives' hard work. That said the tax is a massive blunder. Thankfully Corbyn and the IRA seem to have jumped to BBC most read...
[Ireland] is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.
A victory for Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell would be a moral disaster.
Edit - Please Roger, don't reply with 'No' to this post.
1. Brexit [ I couldn't stop laughing ]
2. Trump [ I thought he was insane ]
3. Corbyn - "because he comes across as honest" [ I will give up politics ]0 -
Just to give an idea of how different the debate is here in Scotland and that it is not just the SNP talking about independence.
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/8651714857947217920 -
The nurse in the clip doesn't mention foodbanks at all (In the 1:20 clip). Alex Hamilton-Cole needs to go and rewatch it.Saltire said:
https://twitter.com/agcolehamilton/status/866400302978793474HaroldO said:Stay classy SNP:
https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/866403949615689728
The poor women is getting hell on twitter now.0 -
We need an outlier poll with Labour on 40% to really put the dead cat among the pigeons.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I can't see anything in Labour's manifesto committing them to raise tax allowances for low paid or average workers. Have I missed it?
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Where does she say she needs to use a foodbank ?surbiton said:
Has anyone thought for a moment why is this Nurse going to food banks ? Scottish nurses are paid more than English nurses.RobD said:
Wow! Which sane political party attacks nurses?!Saltire said:
https://twitter.com/agcolehamilton/status/866400302978793474HaroldO said:Stay classy SNP:
https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/866403949615689728
The poor women is getting hell on twitter now.
Both sides seem to have dreamt this up.0 -
Amazing pace from Alonso. Starts fifth of 33 for his first ever oval race.Scott_P said:@andrewbensonf1: Ed Carpenter, last man, goes 2nd, so Alonso qualifies fifth on Indy 500 debut. For context, Mansell was eighth, in what was his fourth race
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Corbyn IRA comments #2 in bbc most read.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I wouldn't go that far - SeanT is quite capable of out-extreming our Norm from time to time - it's just the Tebbit is a true believer, unassailed by either doubt, or imagination.HYUFD said:
Yes, SeanT is a vegan Buddhist compared to Norm!bobajobPB said:Hyufd
Norman "Stormin' Norman" Tebbitt would consider PB dangerously left wing
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Oh, don't get me wrong, they'll be everywhere. They're going to be in every mobile, TV, PC, car, even idiotic places like fridges.SeanT said:
lol. Look at the sales.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/03/10/alexa-could-be-amazons-next-big-winner.html
They'll still be shite.0 -
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I'm starting to think May would be worse, than Corbyn. She is a provincial, curtain twitching, pious, meddler. She becomes more intolerable each passing day.0 -
Tut tut, those tory drones are the worst..... why isn't it #1?Pulpstar said:
Corbyn IRA comments #2 in bbc most read.TheScreamingEagles said:
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Mansell was a bit disappointing at Indy - but he did win the championship, as a rookie.Sandpit said:
Amazing pace from Alonso. Starts fifth of 33 for his first ever oval race.Scott_P said:@andrewbensonf1: Ed Carpenter, last man, goes 2nd, so Alonso qualifies fifth on Indy 500 debut. For context, Mansell was eighth, in what was his fourth race
Alonso will need a fair slice of luck, but a win from him is not utterly inconceivable.
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Indeed. "Potentially" is just like "could" and "may". It actually means "won't".Philip_Thompson said:
"Potentially"SeanT said:
lol. Look at the sales.Andrew said:
Yeah, I had one around 2004 iirc (an MDA Compact), and was on the internet in 1993 - saw the potential a long way ahead. Assistants are just shite though.glw said:
You could have written much the same around 2005 or earlier about smartphones. There were people like me with smartphones, and PDAs before that, but we were few and far between. Then came the iPhone and Android and everything changed.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/03/10/alexa-could-be-amazons-next-big-winner.html
"RBC Capital Markets analyst Mark Mahaney thinks Alexa could be the next big thing for Amazon, potentially generating $10 billion in revenue by as soon as 2020."
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For all of Theresa May's many many many many faults, she's no IRA sympathising apologist.bobajobPB said:TSE
I'm starting to think May would be worse, than Corbyn. She is a provincial, curtain twitching, pious, meddler. She becomes more intolerable each passing day.
That alone make her exponentially a much better candidate to be Prime Minister than Corbyn.0 -
They are both seventeen layers of utter, rotten, dribbling shite. What has our nation done to deserve Mr & Mrs Twit as head of our two 'main' parties? Sophie Walker is the best party leader by a mile and she only has seven candidates.RobD said:
You'd certainly be in a minority of the electorate!bobajobPB said:TSE
I'm starting to think May would be worse, than Corbyn. She is a provincial, curtain twitching, pious, meddler. She becomes more intolerable each passing day.
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Much that I have no fucking clue what the Tories were playing at with their manifesto, I am also extremely glad SeanT is a thriller writer and not a pilot....
With a different career path, I can just imagine at the first sign of turbulence, captain Knox will have strapped the parachute on and bailed out before the air hostess has finished the announcement that all passengers should return to their seats and fasten their seat belts.0 -
I wonder, who's made more money in predicting future consumer trends, PBers or Jeff Bezos.
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Taoiseach-in-waiting Leo Varadkar and Sinn Fein want special status for Northern Ireland to keep it in the EU. Does Theresa May have a position on this and shouldn't she tell us what it is?TheScreamingEagles said:
For all of Theresa May's many many many many faults, she's no IRA sympathising apologist.bobajobPB said:TSE
I'm starting to think May would be worse, than Corbyn. She is a provincial, curtain twitching, pious, meddler. She becomes more intolerable each passing day.
That alone make her exponentially a much better candidate to be Prime Minister than Corbyn.0 -
Evil ToriesbobajobPB said:TSE
I'm starting to think May would be worse, than Corbyn. She is a provincial, curtain twitching, pious, meddler. She becomes more intolerable each passing day.
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Evil Terrorist-supporting Labour0 -
Have dare you overlook, the Right (dis)honourable Prof Nutall, a giant in academia and on the football field...bobajobPB said:
They are both seventeen layers of utter, rotten, dribbling shite. What has our nation done to deserve Mr & Mrs Twit as head of our two 'main' parties? Sophie Walker is the best party leader by a mile and she only has seven candidates.RobD said:
You'd certainly be in a minority of the electorate!bobajobPB said:TSE
I'm starting to think May would be worse, than Corbyn. She is a provincial, curtain twitching, pious, meddler. She becomes more intolerable each passing day.0 -
Just did the Google test, and also got Tory rebuttal ad. Interestingly, I also found this doc from 2008, proving that Mason didn't coin the phrase after all (although he brought it to life as a meme).
https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/download/downloads/id/411/dementia_tax_report.pdf0 -
And if only Jahadi Jez's issue was with being an IRA sympathizer....TheScreamingEagles said:
For all of Theresa May's many many many many faults, she's no IRA sympathising apologist.bobajobPB said:TSE
I'm starting to think May would be worse, than Corbyn. She is a provincial, curtain twitching, pious, meddler. She becomes more intolerable each passing day.
That alone make her exponentially a much better candidate to be Prime Minister than Corbyn.0 -
A true race to the bottom.TheScreamingEagles said:
For all of Theresa May's many many many many faults, she's no IRA sympathising apologist.bobajobPB said:TSE
I'm starting to think May would be worse, than Corbyn. She is a provincial, curtain twitching, pious, meddler. She becomes more intolerable each passing day.
That alone make her exponentially a much better candidate to be Prime Minister than Corbyn.0 -
The SNP nurse row on twitter seems to have gone as follows:
Nurse Clairey has a decent attack on the SNP. Does NOT mention needing to head to a foodbank.
Alex Hamilton-Cole adds the fact she is "forced to use foodbanks" into the row. She doesn't, he's dreamt it up - a quick perusal of her twitter would reveal this is a nonsense, but crucially she hasn't used this line herself. Her attack on the SNP about the pay demoralisation was entirely legitamate.
People start pointing out that her use of foodbanks is utter mince, because it is. But she hasn't said this in the first place, it's entirely made up by Alex so far as I can tell.
I'm not sure what Alex Hamilton-Cole is trying to play at here.0 -
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I'm not qualfied to mention the exalted one.FrancisUrquhart said:
Have dare you overlook, the Right (dis)honourable Prof Nutall, a giant in academia and on the football field...bobajobPB said:
They are both seventeen layers of utter, rotten, dribbling shite. What has our nation done to deserve Mr & Mrs Twit as head of our two 'main' parties? Sophie Walker is the best party leader by a mile and she only has seven candidates.RobD said:
You'd certainly be in a minority of the electorate!bobajobPB said:TSE
I'm starting to think May would be worse, than Corbyn. She is a provincial, curtain twitching, pious, meddler. She becomes more intolerable each passing day.
Deities defy classification.0 -
https://twitter.com/nippy_scotland/status/866421357965455361Pulpstar said:The SNP nurse row on twitter seems to have gone as follows:
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Come back Ed....you were a bit of a plonker, not half as smart as you thought you were and were easily fooled by pseudo academic books (with dodgy evidence) that formed the key parts of your policies, but look what the leadership of the Labour Party has become...terrorist sympathizers, communists, Marxists, antisemites, holocaust deniers....bobajobPB said:
A true race to the bottom.TheScreamingEagles said:
For all of Theresa May's many many many many faults, she's no IRA sympathising apologist.bobajobPB said:TSE
I'm starting to think May would be worse, than Corbyn. She is a provincial, curtain twitching, pious, meddler. She becomes more intolerable each passing day.
That alone make her exponentially a much better candidate to be Prime Minister than Corbyn.0 -
I agree with most of the negativity here re Corbyn. But specifically on Brexit, which is what will be the dominant thing for the next parliament, I think Corbyn could do a better job than May. That's because he would probably delegate it to people in his party who somewhat know what they are doing.0
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Yes. No.williamglenn said:
Taoiseach-in-waiting Leo Varadkar and Sinn Fein want special status for Northern Ireland to keep it in the EU. Does Theresa May have a position on this and shouldn't she tell us what it is?TheScreamingEagles said:
For all of Theresa May's many many many many faults, she's no IRA sympathising apologist.bobajobPB said:TSE
I'm starting to think May would be worse, than Corbyn. She is a provincial, curtain twitching, pious, meddler. She becomes more intolerable each passing day.
That alone make her exponentially a much better candidate to be Prime Minister than Corbyn.
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He posted the wrong clip, here's the earlier bit of her talking about having to use foodbanksPulpstar said:The SNP nurse row on twitter seems to have gone as follows:
Nurse Clairey has a decent attack on the SNP. Does NOT mention needing to head to a foodbank.
Alex Hamilton-Cole adds the fact she is "forced to use foodbanks" into the row. She doesn't, he's dreamt it up - a quick perusal of her twitter would reveal this is a nonsense, but crucially she hasn't used this line herself. Her attack on the SNP about the pay demoralisation was entirely legitamate.
People start pointing out that her use of foodbanks is utter mince, because it is. But she hasn't said this in the first place, it's entirely made up by Alex so far as I can tell.
I'm not sure what Alex Hamilton-Cole is trying to play at here.
https://twitter.com/DrScottThinks/status/8663743062170214400 -
Looks like new poll in Metro:
Referring to a Survation:
Con 43
Lab 34
Says Con -5, Lab +5
Bit confusing as Suvation/Mail on Sunday was 46/34 - but reported changes are close to the changes from the last Survation / Good Morning Britain which was 48/30.
http://news.sky.com/story/mondays-national-newspaper-front-pages-108882290 -
Got some way to go to be their most successful product - Amazon web services is doing about $12bn annual revenue and still growing rapidly.SeanT said:
Get one. Try it. The sensation is like handling an early smartphone, or the first iPad, or even the first decent laptop. It's clumsy and glitchy and flawed, but above it all is a surging, melting feeling of OMGYES.Philip_Thompson said:
"Potentially"SeanT said:
lol. Look at the sales.Andrew said:
Yeah, I had one around 2004 iirc (an MDA Compact), and was on the internet in 1993 - saw the potential a long way ahead. Assistants are just shite though.glw said:
You could have written much the same around 2005 or earlier about smartphones. There were people like me with smartphones, and PDAs before that, but we were few and far between. Then came the iPhone and Android and everything changed.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/03/10/alexa-could-be-amazons-next-big-winner.html
"RBC Capital Markets analyst Mark Mahaney thinks Alexa could be the next big thing for Amazon, potentially generating $10 billion in revenue by as soon as 2020."
Massive.
Of COURSE this is how we will interact with computers in the future. We will just talk to them, and tell them to organise our homes and lives. Amazon are the first in, and will reap rewards. Note in this piece that Apple are belatedly trying to catch up, but Amazon are already innovating further
"I believe that the Echo Show will become one of Amazon’s most successful Echo devices and at some point the most successful product Amazon has ever produced. Just last holiday season, the Echo Dot broke all sales records at Amazon. This demand will continue and expand as Moore’s Law pushes the retail price to $99 or lower in the next year."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/05/10/inside-the-amazon-echo-show-and-its-impact-on-the-voice-first-revolution/#2001738e6700
http://www.zdnet.com/article/forget-microsoft-and-google-apples-next-tech-arch-enemy-is-amazon/
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@Thescreamingeagles FFsake
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That's wishful thinking...The Tories have some plonkers, but Labour "top team" is f##king horrendous and all but a few want to work with them. What they going to draft in more communists to do the work?FF43 said:I agree with most of the negativity here re Corbyn. But specifically on Brexit, which is what will be the dominant thing for the next parliament, I think Corbyn could do a better job than May. That's because he would probably delegate it to people in his party who somewhat know what they are doing.
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That's probably true. Can you imagine trying to cut a deal with May? Stubborn, small-minded, self-important and nit-picky - not the type to have around the table with our continental friends.FF43 said:I agree with most of the negativity here re Corbyn. But specifically on Brexit, which is what will be the dominant thing for the next parliament, I think Corbyn could do a better job than May. That's because he would probably delegate it to people in his party who somewhat know what they are doing.
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@ajjenkins: A neighbour of the nurse from tonight's #leadersdebate says he's had a request to check her BINS to see where she shops. Oh my word!0
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I have a feeling Ed will be the man to wield the axe on June 9.FrancisUrquhart said:
Come back Ed....you were a bit of a plonker, not half as smart as you thought you were and were easily fooled by pseudo academic books (with dodgy evidence) that formed the key parts of your policies, but look what the leadership of the Labour Party has become...terrorist sympathizers, communists, Marxists, antisemites, holocaust deniers....bobajobPB said:
A true race to the bottom.TheScreamingEagles said:
For all of Theresa May's many many many many faults, she's no IRA sympathising apologist.bobajobPB said:TSE
I'm starting to think May would be worse, than Corbyn. She is a provincial, curtain twitching, pious, meddler. She becomes more intolerable each passing day.
That alone make her exponentially a much better candidate to be Prime Minister than Corbyn.0 -
Police Scotland?Scott_P said:@ajjenkins: A neighbour of the nurse from tonight's #leadersdebate says he's had a request to check her BINS to see where she shops. Oh my word!
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Corbyn had also opposed doing anything about ISIS and look at what Stop the War has said while he was in charge of it.
He simply cannot be trusted with the nation's security.
As for those worried about care costs, look at what McDonnrll proposes: a wealth tax, land tax and a financial transactions tax. That will destroy peoples' pensions, property and savings.
May is a bit meh. But those two are an utter menace to the security and economy of this country.0 -
Google showed on some very cool tech at I/O a few days ago. Google Home is way way "smarter" than Amazon, including shortly being able to preempt things e.g. It looks at your schedule, monitors the traffic, realises the traffic is bad, so call out to you that you need to leave x minutes early i.e. now.0
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Interesting, that would mean two polls with differing Tory scores (46/43) but similar Labour scores (34/34) over a similar period. Do you have a link to the article?MikeL said:Looks like new poll in Metro:
Referring to a Survation:
Con 43
Lab 34
Says Con -5, Lab +5
Bit confusing as Suvation/Mail on Sunday was 46/34 - but reported changes are close to the changes from the last Survation / Good Morning Britain which was 48/300 -
Joanna Cherry was wrong to circulate a smear about the participant on the show, but to give her credit she apologised quickly. As a lawyer she no doubt realised she was in deep water.Scott_P said:
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Theresa Meh.Cyclefree said:Corbyn had also opposed doing anything about ISIS and look at what Stop the War has said while he was in charge of it.
He simply cannot be trusted with the nation's security.
As for those worried about care costs, look at what McDonnrll proposes: a wealth tax, land tax and a financial transactions tax. That will destroy peoples' pensions, property and savings.
May is a bit meh. But those two are an utter menace to the security and economy of this country.0 -
That already happens on my iPhone through Google Maps. It can be handy, although it assumes I drive everywhere.FrancisUrquhart said:Google showed on some very cool tech at I/O a few days ago. Google Home is way way "smarter" than Amazon, including shortly being able to preempt things e.g. It looks at your schedule, monitors the traffic, realises the traffic is bad, so call out to you that you need to leave x minutes early i.e. now.
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MikeL said:
Looks like new poll in Metro:
Referring to a Survation:
Con 43
Lab 34
Says Con -5, Lab +5
Bit confusing as Suvation/Mail on Sunday was 46/34 - but reported changes are close to the changes from the last Survation / Good Morning Britain which was 48/30.
http://news.sky.com/story/mondays-national-newspaper-front-pages-10888229
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Whoever decided they should go into cloud computing probably deserves a couple of bob as a bonus.SeanT said:
Yep.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://www.recode.net/2017/4/27/15451726/amazon-q1-2017-earnings-profits-net-income-cash-flow-chart
Look at that revenue. $37 BILLION.0 -
Behind it is Waze...use that rather than Google Maps. Is an Israeli startup Google bought a while back. Way better tech then any sat nav.RobD said:
That already happens on my iPhone through Google Maps. It can be handy, although it assumes I drive everywhere.FrancisUrquhart said:Google showed on some very cool tech at I/O a few days ago. Google Home is way way "smarter" than Amazon, including shortly being able to preempt things e.g. It looks at your schedule, monitors the traffic, realises the traffic is bad, so call out to you that you need to leave x minutes early i.e. now.
The point is Google home is going to do a lot more of this preempt stuff. They also showed off things were it worked out who else was featured in photos and lets you either automatically send copies to certain people or notify you if you want to etc etc etc.0 -
It's useless in London for that very reason. It's frequently quicker to walk to a meeting than drive (take a cab). Still a very long way to go until talking computers are anything more than just gimmickry.RobD said:
That already happens on my iPhone through Google Maps. It can be handy, although it assumes I drive everywhere.FrancisUrquhart said:Google showed on some very cool tech at I/O a few days ago. Google Home is way way "smarter" than Amazon, including shortly being able to preempt things e.g. It looks at your schedule, monitors the traffic, realises the traffic is bad, so call out to you that you need to leave x minutes early i.e. now.
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Ah, I see the link now.MikeL said:Looks like new poll in Metro:
Referring to a Survation:
Con 43
Lab 34
Says Con -5, Lab +5
Bit confusing as Suvation/Mail on Sunday was 46/34 - but reported changes are close to the changes from the last Survation / Good Morning Britain which was 48/30.
http://news.sky.com/story/mondays-national-newspaper-front-pages-10888229
I can't see any previous poll last week that had Con 48 and Lab 29. There was a YouGov/Times poll on 2nd May, but nothing else. Am I missing something??0 -
The Survation poll for the Mail on Sunday was an online poll whereas as the GMB polls are phone polls.RobD said:
Interesting, that would mean two polls with differing Tory scores (46/43) but similar Labour scores (34/34) over a similar period. Do you have a link to the article?MikeL said:Looks like new poll in Metro:
Referring to a Survation:
Con 43
Lab 34
Says Con -5, Lab +5
Bit confusing as Suvation/Mail on Sunday was 46/34 - but reported changes are close to the changes from the last Survation / Good Morning Britain which was 48/30
Edit - Both methodologies are UK wide polls, unlike most other polls which are GB wide.
To get a GB wide figure, I usually add 1% to the Con and Lab VI0 -
I'm a very, very long way from being a fan of May, but I suspect she might prove quite an effective negotiator. What her priorities for negotiation might be is quite another matter.bobajobPB said:
That's probably true. Can you imagine trying to cut a deal with May? Stubborn, small-minded, self-important and nit-picky - not the type to have around the table with our continental friends.FF43 said:I agree with most of the negativity here re Corbyn. But specifically on Brexit, which is what will be the dominant thing for the next parliament, I think Corbyn could do a better job than May. That's because he would probably delegate it to people in his party who somewhat know what they are doing.
Corbyn ? Just no.
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This is a third Survation poll? I'm confused...TheScreamingEagles said:
The Survation poll for the Mail on Sunday was an online poll whereas as the GMB polls are phone polls.RobD said:
Interesting, that would mean two polls with differing Tory scores (46/43) but similar Labour scores (34/34) over a similar period. Do you have a link to the article?MikeL said:Looks like new poll in Metro:
Referring to a Survation:
Con 43
Lab 34
Says Con -5, Lab +5
Bit confusing as Suvation/Mail on Sunday was 46/34 - but reported changes are close to the changes from the last Survation / Good Morning Britain which was 48/30
Edit - Both methodologies are UK wide polls, unlike most other polls which are GB wide.
To get a GB wide figure, I usually add 1% to the Con and Lab VI0 -
This one appears to be in The MetroTheScreamingEagles said:
The Survation poll for the Mail on Sunday was an online poll whereas as the GMB polls are phone polls.RobD said:
Interesting, that would mean two polls with differing Tory scores (46/43) but similar Labour scores (34/34) over a similar period. Do you have a link to the article?MikeL said:Looks like new poll in Metro:
Referring to a Survation:
Con 43
Lab 34
Says Con -5, Lab +5
Bit confusing as Suvation/Mail on Sunday was 46/34 - but reported changes are close to the changes from the last Survation / Good Morning Britain which was 48/30
Edit - Both methodologies are UK wide polls, unlike most other polls which are GB wide.
To get a GB wide figure, I usually add 1% to the Con and Lab VI0 -
Corbyn would delegate (I hope!). Not that he has any chance of winning anyway!Nigelb said:
I'm a very, very long way from being a fan of May, but I suspect she might prove quite an effective negotiator. What her priorities for negotiation might be is quite another matter.bobajobPB said:
That's probably true. Can you imagine trying to cut a deal with May? Stubborn, small-minded, self-important and nit-picky - not the type to have around the table with our continental friends.FF43 said:I agree with most of the negativity here re Corbyn. But specifically on Brexit, which is what will be the dominant thing for the next parliament, I think Corbyn could do a better job than May. That's because he would probably delegate it to people in his party who somewhat know what they are doing.
Corbyn ? Just no.0 -
They are shortly releasing tv's (made under licence) but with their Amazon Fire OS built in. Is way better than Apple Tv.SeanT said:
Amazon are the new Apple, and Bezos is the new Jobs.RobD said:
Whoever decided they should go into cloud computing probably deserves a couple of bob as a bonus.SeanT said:
Yep.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://www.recode.net/2017/4/27/15451726/amazon-q1-2017-earnings-profits-net-income-cash-flow-chart
Look at that revenue. $37 BILLION.0 -
I believe the Survation poll for GMB was conducted Friday and Saturday.
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It's tomorrow's Survation for Good Morning Britain 18% lead now 9%RobD said:
Ah, I see the link now.MikeL said:Looks like new poll in Metro:
Referring to a Survation:
Con 43
Lab 34
Says Con -5, Lab +5
Bit confusing as Suvation/Mail on Sunday was 46/34 - but reported changes are close to the changes from the last Survation / Good Morning Britain which was 48/30.
http://news.sky.com/story/mondays-national-newspaper-front-pages-10888229
I can't see any previous poll last week that had Con 48 and Lab 29. There was a YouGov/Times poll on 2nd May, but nothing else. Am I missing something??0 -
There's an interesting point there. Bezos has become one of the world's richest men by perpetually delaying the profitability of Amazon. He has chosen growth over profit at every step of the way.MaxPB said:
Wouldn't that require Amazon to make a profit?rcs1000 said:I wonder, who's made more money in predicting future consumer trends, PBers or Jeff Bezos.
Hmmmm....
I'm involved with a bunch of businesses, and what usually happens is that - when the business is small - people are happy to forgo profits for growth. Then, suddenly, you make a couple of million quid in sales, and loss aversions starts to kick in. Management had nothing, and now their stake is worth a million quid. They start fearing losing that million quid, and they start worrying about turning a profit rather than driving the top line.
Those who become billionaires: they're the people who repeatedly say this is not enough, let's drive this hard. Those people are incredibly exciting to work with.0 -
Unfortunately there is zero evidence to suggest Theresa May will deliver a good result. She will of course continue to the PM after the election with an increased majority, possibly a very large one. We have to hope she will surprise us. She's all we have got.Nigelb said:
I'm a very, very long way from being a fan of May, but I suspect she might prove quite an effective negotiator. What her priorities for negotiation might be is quite another matter.bobajobPB said:
That's probably true. Can you imagine trying to cut a deal with May? Stubborn, small-minded, self-important and nit-picky - not the type to have around the table with our continental friends.FF43 said:I agree with most of the negativity here re Corbyn. But specifically on Brexit, which is what will be the dominant thing for the next parliament, I think Corbyn could do a better job than May. That's because he would probably delegate it to people in his party who somewhat know what they are doing.
Corbyn ? Just no.0 -
There was a Survation Phone poll for GMB last MondayRobD said:
This is a third Survation poll? I'm confused...TheScreamingEagles said:
The Survation poll for the Mail on Sunday was an online poll whereas as the GMB polls are phone polls.RobD said:
Interesting, that would mean two polls with differing Tory scores (46/43) but similar Labour scores (34/34) over a similar period. Do you have a link to the article?MikeL said:Looks like new poll in Metro:
Referring to a Survation:
Con 43
Lab 34
Says Con -5, Lab +5
Bit confusing as Suvation/Mail on Sunday was 46/34 - but reported changes are close to the changes from the last Survation / Good Morning Britain which was 48/30
Edit - Both methodologies are UK wide polls, unlike most other polls which are GB wide.
To get a GB wide figure, I usually add 1% to the Con and Lab VI
There was a Survation online poll for the Mail on Sunday publishes yesterday
Looks like there's a new Survation PHONE poll out for GMB now which the Metro have covered
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Clear as mud.TheScreamingEagles said:
There was a Survation Phone poll for GMB last MondayRobD said:
This is a third Survation poll? I'm confused...TheScreamingEagles said:
The Survation poll for the Mail on Sunday was an online poll whereas as the GMB polls are phone polls.RobD said:
Interesting, that would mean two polls with differing Tory scores (46/43) but similar Labour scores (34/34) over a similar period. Do you have a link to the article?MikeL said:Looks like new poll in Metro:
Referring to a Survation:
Con 43
Lab 34
Says Con -5, Lab +5
Bit confusing as Suvation/Mail on Sunday was 46/34 - but reported changes are close to the changes from the last Survation / Good Morning Britain which was 48/30
Edit - Both methodologies are UK wide polls, unlike most other polls which are GB wide.
To get a GB wide figure, I usually add 1% to the Con and Lab VI
There was a Survation online poll for the Mail on Sunday publishes yesterday
Looks like there's a new Survation PHONE poll out for GMB now which the Metro have covered
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/866392133200228354 But okay 0 -
Actually Google would have. While it's entirely possible that this will be the Next Big Thing it has been Google's method for years now to keep its finger in as many pies as possible so that it doesn't miss out on the next big thing and it develops its cutting edge technology through as many fields as possible.SeanT said:
Amazon have ALREADY generated TWO billion in revenue from the Echo. And sales are doubling roughly every 9 months.GeoffM said:
Indeed. "Potentially" is just like "could" and "may". It actually means "won't".Philip_Thompson said:
"Potentially"SeanT said:
lol. Look at the sales.Andrew said:
Yeah, I had one around 2004 iirc (an MDA Compact), and was on the internet in 1993 - saw the potential a long way ahead. Assistants are just shite though.glw said:
You could have written much the same around 2005 or earlier about smartphones. There were people like me with smartphones, and PDAs before that, but we were few and far between. Then came the iPhone and Android and everything changed.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/03/10/alexa-could-be-amazons-next-big-winner.html
"RBC Capital Markets analyst Mark Mahaney thinks Alexa could be the next big thing for Amazon, potentially generating $10 billion in revenue by as soon as 2020."
Massive.
TEN billion is therefore, probably, on the conservative side.
Google (and, soon, Apple) would not have entered this market to compete with Amazon if they did not think it was - potentially - enormously profitable. It is clearly the future, and anyone who disagrees is a fule.
For every Apple Watch there's been a Google Glass.0 -
To someone far better than May.bobajobPB said:
Corbyn would delegate (I hope!). Not that he has any chance of winning anyway!Nigelb said:
I'm a very, very long way from being a fan of May, but I suspect she might prove quite an effective negotiator. What her priorities for negotiation might be is quite another matter.bobajobPB said:
That's probably true. Can you imagine trying to cut a deal with May? Stubborn, small-minded, self-important and nit-picky - not the type to have around the table with our continental friends.FF43 said:I agree with most of the negativity here re Corbyn. But specifically on Brexit, which is what will be the dominant thing for the next parliament, I think Corbyn could do a better job than May. That's because he would probably delegate it to people in his party who somewhat know what they are doing.
Corbyn ? Just no.
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I reckon Ed Miliband would beat Mrs May in a general election.bigjohnowls said:
To someone far better than May.bobajobPB said:
Corbyn would delegate (I hope!). Not that he has any chance of winning anyway!Nigelb said:
I'm a very, very long way from being a fan of May, but I suspect she might prove quite an effective negotiator. What her priorities for negotiation might be is quite another matter.bobajobPB said:
That's probably true. Can you imagine trying to cut a deal with May? Stubborn, small-minded, self-important and nit-picky - not the type to have around the table with our continental friends.FF43 said:I agree with most of the negativity here re Corbyn. But specifically on Brexit, which is what will be the dominant thing for the next parliament, I think Corbyn could do a better job than May. That's because he would probably delegate it to people in his party who somewhat know what they are doing.
Corbyn ? Just no.
Keri Starmer0 -
I've just got an embargoed copy of the Survation/GMB poll0
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TMICIPMTheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon Ed Miliband would beat Mrs May in a general election.bigjohnowls said:
To someone far better than May.bobajobPB said:
Corbyn would delegate (I hope!). Not that he has any chance of winning anyway!Nigelb said:
I'm a very, very long way from being a fan of May, but I suspect she might prove quite an effective negotiator. What her priorities for negotiation might be is quite another matter.bobajobPB said:
That's probably true. Can you imagine trying to cut a deal with May? Stubborn, small-minded, self-important and nit-picky - not the type to have around the table with our continental friends.FF43 said:I agree with most of the negativity here re Corbyn. But specifically on Brexit, which is what will be the dominant thing for the next parliament, I think Corbyn could do a better job than May. That's because he would probably delegate it to people in his party who somewhat know what they are doing.
Corbyn ? Just no.
Keri Starmer0 -
Oh, and the embargo ended at 00.01 but I'm so tired, I really should go to bed.TheScreamingEagles said:I've just got an embargoed copy of the Survation/GMB poll
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Did Kezia Dugdale really say in tonight's debate that Labour will make the most effective opposition to the Tories, as BBC Radio 4 just reported, with the implication that that's a reason to vote Labour? That's not what I'd call inspired leadership.0
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Following a week in which the main parties officially unveiled their election manifestos, the Conservative lead over Labour has halved from 18% to 9%, according to a new Survation telephone poll on behalf of Good Morning Britain. More can be found here.
Headline voting intention results (change from Survation/GMB May 15th)
CON 43% (-5); LAB 34% (+5); LD 8% (NC); UKIP 4% (NC); Others 10% (-1)
Survation interviewed 1,034 UK residents aged 18+ using a combination of demographically pre-balanced mobile and landline data, conducting fieldwork 19th-20th of May. Survation is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.0 -
Please post your vital signs so we can infer the figures.TheScreamingEagles said:I've just got an embargoed copy of the Survation/GMB poll
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Sean - I will have to take your word for it: I haven't actually tried one. But now, bed.SeanT said:bobajobPB said:
It's useless in London for that very reason. It's frequently quicker to walk to a meeting than drive (take a cab). Still a very long way to go until talking computers are anything more than just gimmickry.RobD said:
That already happens on my iPhone through Google Maps. It can be handy, although it assumes I drive everywhere.FrancisUrquhart said:Google showed on some very cool tech at I/O a few days ago. Google Home is way way "smarter" than Amazon, including shortly being able to preempt things e.g. It looks at your schedule, monitors the traffic, realises the traffic is bad, so call out to you that you need to leave x minutes early i.e. now.
They're already beyond gimmickry. They just *feel* right. It's basically HAL from Kubrick's 2001, only better. It's one of those moments - like mobile phones - when the future just arrives, suddenly, in your hand and in your home.
Being able to set an alarm with one sentence when you're shagged out and flopping into bed, and can't be bothered to faff about with clocks or gadgets, is almost worth it in itself. The assistant responds warmly, and soothingly. It cocoons you, then wakes you, with your favourite music. It says Hello. And that is one in about a million applications.
Another point: these things are relatively cheap (and will only get cheaper). It's not £800 for a new iPad or £1900 for a Macbook, it's £129 for Google Home. Most people will be able to afford them.0 -
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/866432743999254528TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh, and the embargo ended at 00.01 but I'm so tired, I really should go to bed.TheScreamingEagles said:I've just got an embargoed copy of the Survation/GMB poll
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She really is shut isn't sheCyan said:Did Kezia Dugdale really say in tonight's debate that Labour will make the most effective opposition to the Tories, as BBC Radio 4 just reported, with the implication that that's a reason to vote Labour? That's not what I'd call inspired leadership.
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Tory strategy is skewer Corbyn - he's insufficiently respectful to monarch and army.TheScreamingEagles said:Neil Henderson @hendopolis on Twitter:
METRO: Tories target Corbyn after polls setback #tomorrowspaperstoday
9:35 PM - 21 May 2017
FFS, Labour, chuck "the nasty party" back in the witch's face! In war, you concentrate your forces on the enemy's weakest point.
Attack the traditional, ultra-arrogant, privately-schooled, right-wing power structure in this country. How hard can that be?
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I've post the details of the Survation email at
12.17 and 12.18 am.
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Baxtered that gives a Con Majority of just 52.SeanT said:
I hope Nick Timothy and Theresa May are feeling proud of themselves, as they look at these polls.RobD said:
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/866432743999254528TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh, and the embargo ended at 00.01 but I'm so tired, I really should go to bed.TheScreamingEagles said:I've just got an embargoed copy of the Survation/GMB poll
MORONS.
Ouch.0 -
I think where Amazon have the edge over Google is that they have always been more focused on the tangible world rather than the virtual world. It's much more useful to have an assistant that can bring you things and do things for you rather than just serve up information that's increasingly ubiquitous anyway.SeanT said:
They are, very definitely, the Next Big Thing.Philip_Thompson said:
Actually Google would have. While it's entirely possible that this will be the Next Big Thing it has been Google's method for years now to keep its finger in as many pies as possible so that it doesn't miss out on the next big thing and it develops its cutting edge technology through as many fields as possible.SeanT said:
Amazon have ALREADY generated TWO billion in revenue from the Echo. And sales are doubling roughly every 9 months.GeoffM said:
Indeed. "Potentially" is just like "could" and "may". It actually means "won't".Philip_Thompson said:
"Potentially"SeanT said:
lol. Look at the sales.Andrew said:
Yeah, I had one around 2004 iirc (an MDA Compact), and was on the internet in 1993 - saw the potential a long way ahead. Assistants are just shite though.glw said:
You could have written much the same around 2005 or earlier about smartphones. There were people like me with smartphones, and PDAs before that, but we were few and far between. Then came the iPhone and Android and everything changed.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/03/10/alexa-could-be-amazons-next-big-winner.html
"RBC Capital Markets analyst Mark Mahaney thinks Alexa could be the next big thing for Amazon, potentially generating $10 billion in revenue by as soon as 2020."
Massive.
TEN billion is therefore, probably, on the conservative side.
Google (and, soon, Apple) would not have entered this market to compete with Amazon if they did not think it was - potentially - enormously profitable. It is clearly the future, and anyone who disagrees is a fule.
For every Apple Watch there's been a Google Glass.0 -
I take no pleasure in being proved right about Theresa May being crap.
She should be begging for Osborne's help right now.0 -
The Tories really think the IRA is top of people's worry list when they are having their NHS and school funding cut and now their houses stolen by Mrs EvilCyan said:
Tory strategy is skewer Corbyn - he's insufficiently respectful to monarch and army.TheScreamingEagles said:
Looks like there's a new Survation PHONE poll out for GMB now which the Metro have covered
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/866392133200228354
FFS, Labour, chuck "the nasty party" back in the witch's face!0 -
