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@JohnRentoul: "We need to look forward not back." She did not say that!? Labour's 2005 slogan.0
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Scotland for >65seek said:
Where in the world is social care free of charge?Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Have to question efficacy of having an inheritance tax threshold of £1m and a social care threshold of £100k. Pass it on, unless you're sick
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Just had two pieces of correspondence, one a letter from Mrs May, the other a leaflet from the Labour candidate (already had a couple from the Conservative).0
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And the absolutely majority meant that something that was just a coalition negotiation item (Brexit vote) wasn't removed by the coalition negotiations and had to be implemented...Carolus_Rex said:
How was it a blunder last time? Going hard on the Lib Dems was what got Cameron his absolute majority.williamglenn said:Is this the second election in a row where the Tories have made a strategic blunder by going too hard on the Lib Dems?
If they'd insulated Farron from the 'coalition of chaos' meme and treated them as a minor 'serious' party (and ex-coalition partner) then they would have been much better placed to punish Labour. As it is it's looking like a two-horse race in which people are drawn to the underdog.0 -
No, their manifesto isn't out yet.Slackbladder said:
Did the Lib Dem's actually release their manifesto in the end? Even I missed it, so God knows what the public thought, or rather didn't think about it.TheScreamingEagles said:Tim Farron is a worse leader than Jeremy Corbyn.
There I've said it.0 -
Crikey Maggie May! How has that not been used before?Scott_P said:0 -
One of May's big problems could be that the EU will not want to play ball with an 'extend and pretend' Brexit approach as they clearly have the upper hand and why would they want to waste it?TOPPING said:Yes I think this was a standard motivating factor for holding the election (apart of course from the fact that an increased majority is a good thing whatever the circs).
But if there is a transition period (five years? 10 years?) that still leaves us at the next GE not having left and with the possibility for the next Govt to say we're not leaving.
Unless there is an extension of the A50 period or otherwise some kind of transition which really does mean we stay in the EU then there will be immediate legal consequences in March 2019 which could mean that all Euro central counterparty clearing will need to leave London.0 -
So subsidised by the rest of the UK thanks to the Bartlett formula which is 30 years out of date...calum said:
Scotland for >65seek said:
Where in the world is social care free of charge?Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Have to question efficacy of having an inheritance tax threshold of £1m and a social care threshold of £100k. Pass it on, unless you're sick
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Tory manifesto has auto enrolment being extended to the self employed....
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I hope so. Photo ID. Get you bin-liner off.Scott_P said:@Jack_Blanchard_: Tory manifesto: People must show ID to vote in future elections
The SJWs won't like this.0 -
Thankyou rUK !eek said:
So subsidised by the rest of the UK thanks to the Bartlett formula which is 30 years out of date...calum said:
Scotland for >65seek said:
Where in the world is social care free of charge?Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Have to question efficacy of having an inheritance tax threshold of £1m and a social care threshold of £100k. Pass it on, unless you're sick
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what's changed to now?Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Have to question efficacy of having an inheritance tax threshold of £1m and a social care threshold of £100k. Pass it on, unless you're sick
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In what way do they "have the upper hand"?williamglenn said:
One of May's big problems could be that the EU will not want to play ball with an 'extend and pretend' Brexit approach as they clearly have the upper hand and why would they want to waste it?TOPPING said:Yes I think this was a standard motivating factor for holding the election (apart of course from the fact that an increased majority is a good thing whatever the circs).
But if there is a transition period (five years? 10 years?) that still leaves us at the next GE not having left and with the possibility for the next Govt to say we're not leaving.
Unless there is an extension of the A50 period or otherwise some kind of transition which really does mean we stay in the EU then there will be immediate legal consequences in March 2019 which could mean that all Euro central counterparty clearing will need to leave London.
We're leaving. That gives us the advantage.0 -
That simply isn't true. The referendum was won because people were fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration into low wage jobs. If every immigrant was getting a highly paid skilled job there would have been no problem. Leave suggested the Australian Style points system, which IS asking "where are you going to?", the problem with uncontrolled mass immigration is no one asks that questionScott_P said:@BizPears: "A country that asks not where you've come from but where you are going to," says May, after a referendum that was won by promising opposite
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For that to happen currently the lib dems, greens and UKIP would have to have negative votes....Dura_Ace said:
Cross over now confirmed for 1st week in June.TheScreamingEagles said:Ipsos MORI
Con 49 (nc) Lab 34 (+8) LD 7 (-7) Greens 3 (+2) UKIP 2 (-2)0 -
Yeah, but we want it all back when you go.calum said:
Thankyou rUK !eek said:
So subsidised by the rest of the UK thanks to the Bartlett formula which is 30 years out of date...calum said:
Scotland for >65seek said:
Where in the world is social care free of charge?Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Have to question efficacy of having an inheritance tax threshold of £1m and a social care threshold of £100k. Pass it on, unless you're sick
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Dave's disasters were after the Coalition was gone and he was a Conservative Prime Minister....midwinter said:
It was a disaster for Dave..sadly.Carolus_Rex said:
How was it a blunder last time? Going hard on the Lib Dems was what got Cameron his absolute majority.williamglenn said:Is this the second election in a row where the Tories have made a strategic blunder by going too hard on the Lib Dems?
If they'd insulated Farron from the 'coalition of chaos' meme and treated them as a minor 'serious' party (and ex-coalition partner) then they would have been much better placed to punish Labour. As it is it's looking like a two-horse race in which people are drawn to the underdog.0 -
What about the foxes? Where are they headed?0
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Mental health parity. How many times has this been promised in last decade? I am losing track. Never actually happens.0
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Presumably to register for self-employment, you also have to register for auto-enrollment, and a mandated payment into a pension scheme.Scrapheap_as_was said:Tory manifesto has auto enrolment being extended to the self employed....
how does that work?
Sounds sensible really.0 -
Hurrah. We're remaining part of the ECHR.0
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https://twitter.com/martinbelam/status/865159646385930241rottenborough said:What about the foxes? Where are they headed?
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So that's one part of the Good Friday Agreement May isn't prepared to tear up.TheScreamingEagles said:Hurrah. We're remaining part of the ECHR.
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It doesn't look like it. The Conservatives are on course to win their biggest vote share since the 1950's.TOPPING said:
Underdog to run the country? Perhaps.williamglenn said:Is this the second election in a row where the Tories have made a strategic blunder by going too hard on the Lib Dems?
If they'd insulated Farron from the 'coalition of chaos' meme and treated them as a minor 'serious' party (and ex-coalition partner) then they would have been much better placed to punish Labour. As it is it's looking like a two-horse race in which people are drawn to the underdog.0 -
No it wasn't. Ask the Leavers on here. None of them gave a stuff about immigration. Apart from you.isam said:
That simply isn't true. The referendum was won because people were fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration into low wage jobs. If every immigrant was getting a highly paid skilled job there would have been no problem. Leave suggested the Australian Style points system, which IS asking "where are you going to?", the problem with uncontrolled mass immigration is no one asks that questionScott_P said:@BizPears: "A country that asks not where you've come from but where you are going to," says May, after a referendum that was won by promising opposite
You are using that narrative because it is why *you* voted. Plenty of others also, I'm sure. But if Tezza decides (she hasn't) that she wants FOM then that will perfectly satisfy the instruction to Leave the EU.0 -
These numbers are absolutely awful for the Lib Dems, and I wonder now if the party has a future.0
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Not really the Conservative party any more, is it.Scott_P said:@Jack_Blanchard_: Tory manifesto: People must show ID to vote in future elections
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DD? Donald Duck?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Scott_P said:
@Jack_Blanchard_: Tory manifesto: People must show ID to vote in future elections
So how does that work with postal voting?
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Another poster attaching their views to every other poster here. I know that immigration is a problem - I've posted my council estate Aldi anecdote here a few times... It wasn't however the main reason I voted leave...TOPPING said:
No it wasn't. Ask the Leavers on here. None of them gave a stuff about immigration. Apart from you.isam said:
That simply isn't true. The referendum was won because people were fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration into low wage jobs. If every immigrant was getting a highly paid skilled job there would have been no problem. Leave suggested the Australian Style points system, which IS asking "where are you going to?", the problem with uncontrolled mass immigration is no one asks that questionScott_P said:@BizPears: "A country that asks not where you've come from but where you are going to," says May, after a referendum that was won by promising opposite
You are using that narrative because it is why *you* voted. Plenty of others also, I'm sure. But if Tezza decides (she hasn't) that she wants FOM then that will perfectly satisfy the instruction to Leave the EU.
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That's how they managed to get to 52% everyone was voting for different and sometimes contradictory things.TOPPING said:
No it wasn't. Ask the Leavers on here. None of them gave a stuff about immigration. Apart from you.isam said:
That simply isn't true. The referendum was won because people were fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration into low wage jobs. If every immigrant was getting a highly paid skilled job there would have been no problem. Leave suggested the Australian Style points system, which IS asking "where are you going to?", the problem with uncontrolled mass immigration is no one asks that questionScott_P said:@BizPears: "A country that asks not where you've come from but where you are going to," says May, after a referendum that was won by promising opposite
You are using that narrative because it is why *you* voted. Plenty of others also, I'm sure. But if Tezza decides (she hasn't) that she wants FOM then that will perfectly satisfy the instruction to Leave the EU.0 -
How will that work re postal vote?Scott_P said:@Jack_Blanchard_: Tory manifesto: People must show ID to vote in future elections
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Davis wont let that pass.Dadge said:
Not really the Conservative party any more, is it.Scott_P said:@Jack_Blanchard_: Tory manifesto: People must show ID to vote in future elections
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The SNP's support appears to be firming up at >45%
http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/latest-subsample-average-suggests-snp.html0 -
How does it work for those of us who use postal votes?Dadge said:
Not really the Conservative party any more, is it.Scott_P said:@Jack_Blanchard_: Tory manifesto: People must show ID to vote in future elections
Does Mrs May realise most postal votes are used by Tories.0 -
"It is time to put the old tribal politics behind us and to unite behind the Tories getting the best deal for Britain."0
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financially what is the difference to them doing a personal pension now? is it a state sponsored pension 'default'... don't get it.Slackbladder said:
Presumably to register for self-employment, you also have to register for auto-enrollment, and a mandated payment into a pension scheme.Scrapheap_as_was said:Tory manifesto has auto enrolment being extended to the self employed....
how does that work?
Sounds sensible really.0 -
With a bit of luck they'll ban it apart for exceptional circumstances and introduce early voting.MarkHopkins said:
So how does that work with postal voting?Scott_P said:@Jack_Blanchard_: Tory manifesto: People must show ID to vote in future elections
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SJWs will like that.TheScreamingEagles said:Hurrah. We're remaining part of the ECHR.
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Well presumably for every year the can is kicked down the road that is an extra $$ contribution by the UK.williamglenn said:
One of May's big problems could be that the EU will not want to play ball with an 'extend and pretend' Brexit approach as they clearly have the upper hand and why would they want to waste it?TOPPING said:Yes I think this was a standard motivating factor for holding the election (apart of course from the fact that an increased majority is a good thing whatever the circs).
But if there is a transition period (five years? 10 years?) that still leaves us at the next GE not having left and with the possibility for the next Govt to say we're not leaving.
Unless there is an extension of the A50 period or otherwise some kind of transition which really does mean we stay in the EU then there will be immediate legal consequences in March 2019 which could mean that all Euro central counterparty clearing will need to leave London.
Hence, just like a second referendum, a transition period I find very difficult to believe will happen for reasons of logic.
A transition period is not leaving. It is not being able to make trade deals with Tonga or wherever it is we're supposed to be able to be free to trade with. It is prolonging our membership.
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So when May said the other day that she would serve 'a full 5 year term' did she have her fingers crossed behind her back?CarlottaVance said:0 -
What happened to the Brexit dividend? Where is our £350m?
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I think its more a check (hopefully regularly rather than on startup) that something is being put / saved into a pension...Scrapheap_as_was said:
financially what is the difference to them doing a personal pension now? is it a state sponsored pension 'default'... don't get it.Slackbladder said:
Presumably to register for self-employment, you also have to register for auto-enrollment, and a mandated payment into a pension scheme.Scrapheap_as_was said:Tory manifesto has auto enrolment being extended to the self employed....
how does that work?
Sounds sensible really.0 -
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Yep. I'm a postal voter as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
How does it work for those of us who use postal votes?Dadge said:
Not really the Conservative party any more, is it.Scott_P said:@Jack_Blanchard_: Tory manifesto: People must show ID to vote in future elections
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HmmmTheScreamingEagles said:Hurrah. We're remaining part of the ECHR.
Wonderful. Now I need to see if I've got a UKIP candidate.0 -
How much in person voting fraud is there? As opposed to postal vote fraud?Scott_P said:@Jack_Blanchard_: Tory manifesto: People must show ID to vote in future elections
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So no one was voting about immigration in your first paragraph,but plenty of people were in your second.TOPPING said:
No it wasn't. Ask the Leavers on here. None of them gave a stuff about immigration. Apart from you.isam said:
That simply isn't true. The referendum was won because people were fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration into low wage jobs. If every immigrant was getting a highly paid skilled job there would have been no problem. Leave suggested the Australian Style points system, which IS asking "where are you going to?", the problem with uncontrolled mass immigration is no one asks that questionScott_P said:@BizPears: "A country that asks not where you've come from but where you are going to," says May, after a referendum that was won by promising opposite
You are using that narrative because it is why *you* voted. Plenty of others also, I'm sure. But if Tezza decides (she hasn't) that she wants FOM then that will perfectly satisfy the instruction to Leave the EU.0 -
and if they aren't? Employers have to re enrol those who opt out every 3 years and employees can then opt out again if they wish - inertia being the hope they'll give in - I don't see how any of this works for the s/e where they are employer and employee.eek said:
I think its more a check (hopefully regularly rather than on startup) that something is being put / saved into a pension...Scrapheap_as_was said:
financially what is the difference to them doing a personal pension now? is it a state sponsored pension 'default'... don't get it.Slackbladder said:
Presumably to register for self-employment, you also have to register for auto-enrollment, and a mandated payment into a pension scheme.Scrapheap_as_was said:Tory manifesto has auto enrolment being extended to the self employed....
how does that work?
Sounds sensible really.
Will be v interested to see what this actually means!0 -
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Still proud when I put 'Spursy' in a thread headerScrapheap_as_was said:
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/8651160661791662100 -
Dick Dastardly. This is the Nasty Party after all....SandyRentool said:
DD? Donald Duck?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Exactly. And what is sauce for the goose...logical_song said:
That's how they managed to get to 52% everyone was voting for different and sometimes contradictory things.TOPPING said:
No it wasn't. Ask the Leavers on here. None of them gave a stuff about immigration. Apart from you.isam said:
That simply isn't true. The referendum was won because people were fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration into low wage jobs. If every immigrant was getting a highly paid skilled job there would have been no problem. Leave suggested the Australian Style points system, which IS asking "where are you going to?", the problem with uncontrolled mass immigration is no one asks that questionScott_P said:@BizPears: "A country that asks not where you've come from but where you are going to," says May, after a referendum that was won by promising opposite
You are using that narrative because it is why *you* voted. Plenty of others also, I'm sure. But if Tezza decides (she hasn't) that she wants FOM then that will perfectly satisfy the instruction to Leave the EU.
Leavers cannot constantly tell us there was no Leave manifesto (of course there was, but...), it's up to the government to decide, and then in the next breath tell us why the country voted to leave (immigration, ECJ, etc) and the government must do as it has been told.0 -
Its a case of saying that if you don't want to save for a pension you'll have to declare that you don't, rather than having to declare that you do if you do. It makes opting-out of saving for your pension a proactive choice with all the consequences that come with that.Scrapheap_as_was said:
and if they aren't? Employers have to re enrol those who opt out every 3 years and employees can then opt out again if they wish - inertia being the hope they'll give in - I don't see how any of this works for the s/e where they are employer and employee.eek said:
I think its more a check (hopefully regularly rather than on startup) that something is being put / saved into a pension...Scrapheap_as_was said:
financially what is the difference to them doing a personal pension now? is it a state sponsored pension 'default'... don't get it.Slackbladder said:
Presumably to register for self-employment, you also have to register for auto-enrollment, and a mandated payment into a pension scheme.Scrapheap_as_was said:Tory manifesto has auto enrolment being extended to the self employed....
how does that work?
Sounds sensible really.
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A mandate for a good deal. Whether that's achievable is quite another matter.Scott_P said:0 -
@JamieRoss7: Meanwhile, at #FMQs, Kezia Dugdale and Sturgeon are laying in to @WingsScotland. "I'm not responsible for Stuart Campbell," says the FM.
@BBCPhilipSim: Kezia Dugdale criticising blogger @WingsScotland in Holyrood chamber; asks FM to condemn his "bile" and anyone poisoning political debate0 -
There is literally no one even half decent enough to vote for in this GE.
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The leavers on here who gave a stuff about immigration are almost all banned.TOPPING said:
No it wasn't. Ask the Leavers on here. None of them gave a stuff about immigration. Apart from you.isam said:
That simply isn't true. The referendum was won because people were fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration into low wage jobs. If every immigrant was getting a highly paid skilled job there would have been no problem. Leave suggested the Australian Style points system, which IS asking "where are you going to?", the problem with uncontrolled mass immigration is no one asks that questionScott_P said:@BizPears: "A country that asks not where you've come from but where you are going to," says May, after a referendum that was won by promising opposite
You are using that narrative because it is why *you* voted. Plenty of others also, I'm sure. But if Tezza decides (she hasn't) that she wants FOM then that will perfectly satisfy the instruction to Leave the EU.
I am not using that narrative because it's why "I" voted. My job is unaffected by EU immigration. If you think Leave didn't win because of immigration that's down to you, but I think you are wrong.0 -
An effective poster...... it works for me.calum said:
Nice link to Maggie and it does show where Theresa is coming from.
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I would say the majority of Leavers on here ( @rcs1000, @Richard_Tyndall etc) didn't vote that way because of immigration.Ishmael_Z said:
So no one was voting about immigration in your first paragraph,but plenty of people were in your second.TOPPING said:
No it wasn't. Ask the Leavers on here. None of them gave a stuff about immigration. Apart from you.isam said:
That simply isn't true. The referendum was won because people were fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration into low wage jobs. If every immigrant was getting a highly paid skilled job there would have been no problem. Leave suggested the Australian Style points system, which IS asking "where are you going to?", the problem with uncontrolled mass immigration is no one asks that questionScott_P said:@BizPears: "A country that asks not where you've come from but where you are going to," says May, after a referendum that was won by promising opposite
You are using that narrative because it is why *you* voted. Plenty of others also, I'm sure. But if Tezza decides (she hasn't) that she wants FOM then that will perfectly satisfy the instruction to Leave the EU.
I haven't done a poll, that said and I imagine there would be plenty of shy immigration-hating leavers on PB if a poll was done.0 -
Hmmm. What problem are they trying to solve with this change?Scott_P said:@Jack_Blanchard_: Tory manifesto: People must show ID to vote in future elections
As ever, details, details ...0 -
Conservative and Unionist Party manifesto:
https://www.scribd.com/document/348726290/Conservative-party-2017-manifesto#download0 -
Really not sure what to make of the IPSOS Mori. I can believe the Lib Dem figure, they are spiralling the plug hole of total irrelevance in this election. It is hard to believe that the Tories are any higher than 49% (surely). UKIP look very low, have they started to adapt to the number of constituencies that a UKIP vote is relevant? Labour look really high but I suppose the votes have to go somewhere. There is about 5% left which makes some provision for the SNP and any odds and sods, probably a bit low.0
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@BBCPhilipSim: Kezia Dugdale says @WingsScotland "distorts" debate, sayin 44% of SNP MSPs & 50% of SNP MPs "encourage" him. Wants them to "denounce & shun"
@AidanKerrTweets: Terrific ding dong at #FMQs.
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"These are good principles which have underpinned Conservatism." We must have been watching different Conservatisms for the past 40 years.
Telegraph correspondent, Tim Wallace horrified by May's manifesto0 -
Ms. Apocalypse, I quite like most of what I've heard from the Pirates, but cutting copyright to 10 years is not good for writers.0
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@PolhomeEditor: On whether she's a Thatcherite, May says: "Margaret Thatcher was a Conservative, I'm a Conservative, this is a Conservative manifesto."
@BBCJLandale: Says something when a Tory prime minister at her manifesto launch has to assure journalists: "I'm a Conservative...".0 -
Seems like the Conservative party has become a latter day Owenite SDP lite party.
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LOL.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: On whether she's a Thatcherite, May says: "Margaret Thatcher was a Conservative, I'm a Conservative, this is a Conservative manifesto."
@BBCJLandale: Says something when a Tory prime minister at her manifesto launch has to assure journalists: "I'm a Conservative...".
So is May going to be the second Tory leader in a row PB Tories aren't keen on?0 -
Is there a shift in language on Brexit in the manifesto? "We will seek [...] a comprehensive free trade and customs agreement."0
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This is entering dangerous Brian Spanner shaped territory.Scott_P said:@BBCPhilipSim: Kezia Dugdale says @WingsScotland "distorts" debate, sayin 44% of SNP MSPs & 50% of SNP MPs "encourage" him. Wants them to "denounce & shun"
@AidanKerrTweets: Terrific ding dong at #FMQs.0 -
What's particularly amusing is the contrast with the attacks from the LibDems, Labour and SNP, who have all been claiming that Theresa May is taking the Conservative Party hard to the right.JackW said:Seems like the Conservative party has become a latter day Owenite SDP lite party.
Interesting times ....0 -
Solid manifesto from May some tough choices on using assets to pay for social care (though under £100k exempt) and ending universal free school meals and winter fuel payments but more money for the NHS and social care and increase in threshold for starting rate of basic and top rate tax0
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I think plenty of Leavers voted that way because of immigration; my point was so what? It doesn't mean the government has to do anything about immigration because as every Leaver can't stop telling us, there was no Leave manifesto, the Leave campaign had no influence on government policy, and it is up to the current government to just leave the EU howsoever they want to do it (or not, if there is a transition period).isam said:
The leavers on here who gave a stuff about immigration are almost all banned.TOPPING said:
No it wasn't. Ask the Leavers on here. None of them gave a stuff about immigration. Apart from you.isam said:
That simply isn't true. The referendum was won because people were fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration into low wage jobs. If every immigrant was getting a highly paid skilled job there would have been no problem. Leave suggested the Australian Style points system, which IS asking "where are you going to?", the problem with uncontrolled mass immigration is no one asks that questionScott_P said:@BizPears: "A country that asks not where you've come from but where you are going to," says May, after a referendum that was won by promising opposite
You are using that narrative because it is why *you* voted. Plenty of others also, I'm sure. But if Tezza decides (she hasn't) that she wants FOM then that will perfectly satisfy the instruction to Leave the EU.
I am not using that narrative because it's why "I" voted. My job is unaffected by EU immigration. If you think Leave didn't win because of immigration that's down to you, but I think you are wrong.0 -
They should just only follow Angry Salmond.Alistair said:
This is entering dangerous Brian Spanner shaped territory.Scott_P said:@BBCPhilipSim: Kezia Dugdale says @WingsScotland "distorts" debate, sayin 44% of SNP MSPs & 50% of SNP MPs "encourage" him. Wants them to "denounce & shun"
@AidanKerrTweets: Terrific ding dong at #FMQs.
He's got the tone right and isn't shy of calling out the idiots on his side.0 -
No. If she gets a three figure majority, squashes UKIP and the LibDems like bugs and keeps PMQs with Jeremy Corbyn, the Party are going to love her. Even PB Tories.The_Apocalypse said:
LOL.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: On whether she's a Thatcherite, May says: "Margaret Thatcher was a Conservative, I'm a Conservative, this is a Conservative manifesto."
@BBCJLandale: Says something when a Tory prime minister at her manifesto launch has to assure journalists: "I'm a Conservative...".
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Free Breakfast in school will more than make up for the loss of universal free school meals. Every study I've seen shows it does more good than virtually anything else..HYUFD said:Solid manifesto from May some tough choices on using assets to pay for social care (though under £100k exempt) and ending universal free school meals and winter fuel payments but more money for the NHS and social care and increase in threshold for starting rate of basic and top rate tax
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It will be interesting to see where they go with Carers Allowance on social security. If they raise that quite substantially, their care policy will start to look very joined up and aimed at making it affordable for families to do the work that is often outsourced to private care providers, local authorities etc.HYUFD said:Solid manifesto from May some tough choices on using assets to pay for social care (though under £100k exempt) and ending universal free school meals and winter fuel payments but more money for the NHS and social care and increase in threshold for starting rate of basic and top rate tax
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Anecdata:
At lunch just now colleague says two of his mates down the pub (I know I know) are considering voting Labour "because of free tuition fees" - they have teenage children.
Couple of other people remarked how Corbyn "is not as bad on TV as he was when he first got the job - sounds OK"
Tories need to spend 3 weeks 24/7 demolishing (1) Labour's spending plans and (2) Jeremy Corbyn as a terrorist sympathising near communist
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It's a rare book that is still earning decent royalties after 10 years...Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, I quite like most of what I've heard from the Pirates, but cutting copyright to 10 years is not good for writers.
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This social care change. It needs more explanation and urgently.
As I read what it says in the manifesto - if person A becomes ill and needs long term social care either in their own home or a residential home, it will be free at the time. When they die it will be taken out of their assets, in most cases this will be the family home. So where does that leave another person, B, who lives with them either as a spouse, civil partner or indeed just partner?
They normally would probably be expecting to inherit the house and continue living in it.
On face of it the home will sold and the charges made.
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What does it matter WHY a small majority voted 'Leave'? It's bad enough that parliament absolved itself of it's responsibility by calling a referendum without having to capitulate to the mobs every prejudice.TOPPING said:
No it wasn't. Ask the Leavers on here. None of them gave a stuff about immigration. Apart from you.isam said:
That simply isn't true. The referendum was won because people were fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration into low wage jobs. If every immigrant was getting a highly paid skilled job there would have been no problem. Leave suggested the Australian Style points system, which IS asking "where are you going to?", the problem with uncontrolled mass immigration is no one asks that questionScott_P said:@BizPears: "A country that asks not where you've come from but where you are going to," says May, after a referendum that was won by promising opposite
You are using that narrative because it is why *you* voted. Plenty of others also, I'm sure. But if Tezza decides (she hasn't) that she wants FOM then that will perfectly satisfy the instruction to Leave the EU.0 -
Tacking socially right wing, economically left.Richard_Nabavi said:
What's particularly amusing is the contrast with the attacks from the LibDems, Labour and SNP, who have all been claiming that Theresa May is taking the Conservative Party hard to the right.JackW said:Seems like the Conservative party has become a latter day Owenite SDP lite party.
Interesting times ....
No contradiction there, but distinctly unpalatable for some of us.0 -
No. She also says the Uk will quit the customs union. This matches what she said last year and earlier this year.williamglenn said:Is there a shift in language on Brexit in the manifesto? "We will seek [...] a comprehensive free trade and customs agreement."
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Corbyn is getting hammered in the polls! That all said, he is the only party leader who is enjoying the campaign. He's not doing too badly and indeed looks better on telly in this situation than he does in normal service. Don't worry though, the Tories are going to win big.JonCisBack said:Anecdata:
At lunch just now colleague says two of his mates down the pub (I know I know) are considering voting Labour "because of free tuition fees" - they have teenage children.
Couple of other people remarked how Corbyn "is not as bad on TV as he was when he first got the job - sounds OK"
Tories need to spend 3 weeks 24/7 demolishing (1) Labour's spending plans and (2) Jeremy Corbyn as a terrorist sympathising near communist
Tories should be concerned by the poll trend and up their game.0 -
Well what happens at the moment is that if there is a couple security is taken over the house and realised when the second one dies, not the first. I can see complications where there are other occupants such as children, grandchildren etc but I do think that the object of our Social Care bill cannot be to boost inheritance.rottenborough said:This social care change. It needs more explanation and urgently.
As I read what it says in the manifesto - if person A becomes ill and needs long term social care either in their own home or a residential home, it will be free at the time. When they die it will be taken out of their assets, in most cases this will be the family home. So where does that leave another person, B, who lives with them either as a spouse, civil partner or indeed just partner?
They normally would probably be expecting to inherit the house and continue living in it.
On face of it the home will sold and the charges made.
Have I missed something here?0 -
Charlie Elphicke (Dover Deal) has been doing a lot of work on the customs processing agreements and arrangements to be in place following Brexit. Obviously Dover will be greatly affected.williamglenn said:Is there a shift in language on Brexit in the manifesto? "We will seek [...] a comprehensive free trade and customs agreement."
Mu understanding is that he has worked a lot with the Freight Hauliers and Calais and the French to ensure a scheme is in place and this is will need to reduplicated at other ports around the country.
I am going to his hustings tonight and I will be asking him this very question.0 -
Mr. eek, suppose someone, who is a wonderful F1 tipster, had rotten book sales despite consistently good reviews. Now imagine after years of trying he finally gets a big hit. Not a monster, let's say 12,000 sales. But those reader want to try his other books. Are you really saying they should be able to be made free, and hence deprive him of any income from them?
There are numerous downsides to writing. It's very hard to make sales, it's hard to get any kind of profile, the market is saturated, getting an agent is hard, getting a publisher is hard. One of the few upsides is that if you have a hit later the books that were duds when released *might* see some extra secondary sales.
Incidentally, do give episode one of my new serial a look. It's fast, fun, and free:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Phoenix-Rising-Wandering-Roaming-Tiger-ebook/dp/B071LCLJYY/
Mr. C, I agree, and I said before that the Conservatives were being too soft on Corbyn.0
