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  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    kle4 said:

    Stuff like that makes the argument the EU and the EU27 are fools who respond to the last thing they heard and nothing else matters. And that's Donald Trump's thing.

    Tezza did it today. And the Brexiteers love it
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,963
    kle4 said:

    At least we have George Osborne to keep TMay on her toes moving forward.
    Yes, there will be more telling critiques from that quarter than the shadow cabinet (which sets an unfairly low bar).
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    You want her to be a doormat in the entrance to 10 Downing Street?

    Your nervousness is showing through - that our Prime Minister might have nicely judged the national mood to political advantage....
    I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I see a Prime Minster easily rattled. That does make me nervous.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    She did bellicosity against both her own party, and against the Police, but what real change in either did she achieve? not much that I can see in either.

    Apart from 7 years of no Labour govt and 45% in the polls ? Not much...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    kle4 said:

    And if that is the case TMay's bellicose remarks are irrelevant, neither a grand victory nor a grand disaster, as the stage will already have been set.
    Yes, I think the chances of a good deal more or less evaporated some time ago (the Tory party conference was probably the last decent chance).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    edited May 2017
    Scott_P said:

    Tezza did it today.
    No she didn't unless you are arguing she has altered her entire strategy re the negotiations based off the leak against her.

    I'm talking about shifts in position, not lashing out, the two can happen at the same time but are not the same thing. Have we altered position? We were resisting their demands and trying to cherry pick, and we still are, officially, aren't we?
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    I'm not sure some people, perhaps because they just refuse to get their head around it, get what May is aiming at here.

    You could say it's swivel eyed racist, ignorant, or my favourite, the pat on the head pitying 'misled' people who voted Leave but Ive said it before and its worth saying again. There is an innate British trait that we neither like nor yield when people back us against the wall.

    The standard British reaction is 'yeah? Come on then, do your worst. We'll still be standing'

    That isn't just a Brexit-mind, its a British trait.

  • dr_spyn said:

    Earlier today, I was reading about his suicide, 6 self inflicted stab wounds near the heart and a 7th to pierce a lung. Most unusual death.
    He repeatedly fell on the blade. Very clumsy of him. I believe the British press mocked the French over the suicide verdict. Some things don't change.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,801
    Just saw Tezza! :open_mouth:
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited May 2017
    Roger said:

    It reminds people of Thatcher and not in a good way. The downside from her point of view is that it'll galvanise a progressive alliance against her. I don't think wrapping yourself in the flag is in keeping with to days zeitgeist. Certainly not with Remainers or young people.
    Hmm. Dunno. The "Queen of little england" thing should be enough to get her >45% of the vote.

    She's not even trying to win remainers or young people. She's calculated we don't matter.

    She's right.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,442

    I’m off to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Good luck to PB’s Tissue_Price on his selection.

    Sit through the entire end credits.

    Five extra scenes.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    kle4 said:

    No, all issues must be the most important issue ever, this has to be the most damaging statement ever made!

    Honestly, as not a fan of TMay, when she does slip up people get a bit too excited and overdo it.
    agreed
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Jonathan said:

    I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I see a Prime Minster easily rattled. That does make me nervous.
    And you were such a fan before too....
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069

    Tim Montgomerie joins the doubters and attacks TMay

    https://twitter.com/montie/status/859818279849922560

    So I'm right - it's nothing to worry about if Montie is moaning.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,251

    She did bellicosity against both her own party, and against the Police, but what real change in either did she achieve? not much that I can see in either.

    Arguably, her "Nasty Party" speech of 2002 laid the groundwork for David Cameron to become leader to detoxify the brand, a job that David Davis was thought not capable of doing. So, yes, she did help achieve real change.

    I also heard a former Chief Constable on WatO yesterday saying that yes, the police had over-egged their case. She got them to wind their necks back in.

    2 from 2.
  • Sit through the entire end credits.

    Five extra scenes.
    Why do they insist on extra scenes after the credits? When did that become a thing?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,010
    Y0kel said:

    I'm not sure some people, perhaps because they just refuse to get their head around it, get what May is aiming at here.

    You could say it's swivel eyed racist, ignorant, or my favourite, the pat on the head pitying 'misled' people who voted Leave but Ive said it before and its worth saying again. There is an innate British trait that we neither like nor yield when people back us against the wall.

    The standard British reaction is 'yeah? Come on then, do your worst. We'll still be standing'

    That isn't just a Brexit-mind, its a British trait.

    That theory may be about to be tested to destruction.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,317
    GIN1138 said:

    Just saw Tezza! :open_mouth:

    You must not be a real voter then :D
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    DeClare said:

    Yeah! in a free newspaper that's only read by London commuters and only taken seriously by deluded remaindermen.
    I suspect Osborne is just trying to bed into the job and curry favour with the readership. It will be leading up until the GE in June when we will see whether he is ditching politics. I don't think he will be.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    And you were such a fan before too....
    Well FWIW before she became PM I regularly tipped her here for Tory leader arguing her party owed her a lot.

    But she definitely betrayed a lack of confidence today. She has her weaknesses. She reminds me of Brown.


  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,820

    Such as Macron threatening to tear up the Calais agreement, or Merkel claiming the UK has 'illusions', you mean?
    I don't think tearing up the Calais agreement is a threat. The French are totally serious about passing the problem into us.
  • walterwwalterw Posts: 71
    surbiton

    'We would be in a strong position not to pay on any spend after 2020. But legally I am not sure how we can not pay until 2020 unless we want to sour relations with the EU countries.'

    So just under two years of contributions approx.€ 20 billion.

    So you agree the €60 - 100 billion is nonsense.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,137

    Sit through the entire end credits.

    Five extra scenes.
    I fell for that one in 1999 re Lock Stock
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349

    Why do they insist on extra scenes after the credits? When did that become a thing?
    Iron Man. It usually ties into another movie, so is a good way to tease and entice fans.

    Five is too many. The first Iron Man had one right at the end, after like 8 minutes of credits, but recently they've tended to two - a brief series of credits of the main actors and the director etc, a scene, then the long form credits, and a very brief one after that.

    I can see a certain joy from all those who worked on a movie as it means people stay for the entire credits. Similarly, it must bug cinema employees, as people don't clear out so they can clean up.

    Dragon Age Inquisition did it too, and that's a 90 hour videogame.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,801
    I wonder whether Theresa was reading SeanT's posts on PB last night? :D

    The way the election of framed now is that your either a supporter of the UK or your a supporter of Juncker!

    Time to choose.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    So I'm right - it's nothing to worry about if Montie is moaning.
    For a while Tim Montgomerie was on alternate days tweeting that Britain needed to charm the EU and tweeting that the EU was a dysfunctional organisation that we were well out of. He didn't seem to see the tension between these two lines of tweets.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    That theory may be about to be tested to destruction.

    We'll win, we always do.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    GIN1138 said:

    I wonder whether Theresa was reading SeanT's posts on PB last night? :D

    The way the election of framed now is that your either a supporter of the UK or your a supporter of Juncker!

    Time to choose.

    She better not read his other posts begging for EEA or the softest of Brexits, she'll get really confused.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,010
    DavidL said:

    This election is about Brexit. In Brexit we face one of the more complicated and difficult challenges that we have faced since the war, the outcome of which will have a material effect on peoples' standard of living for a long time to come. The question people have to ask themselves is who is best placed to negotiate us the best result?

    And there is only one answer. By electing a thick, incompetent buffoon as leader and then even more incredibly re-electing him Labour have failed to give this country a choice. It is disgraceful self-indulgence, really shameful. Even if you have reservations about May, even if you have serious concerns about the competence of those about her, there is no choice. None.

    Of course if the EU are stupid enough to act unreasonably or make ridiculous statements May is going to use the opportunity to ram that message home. It is going to win the election for her so why wouldn't she?

    Yep, there is no choice and that is to Labour's eternal shame. In the end, though, a bellicose, confrontational approach to Brexit will hurt us most. That is the bottom line that all those cheering May on need to remember. Cod-Churchill might buy some time should the worst happen, but it will not provide a solution.

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,596
    Y0kel said:

    I'm not sure some people, perhaps because they just refuse to get their head around it, get what May is aiming at here.

    You could say it's swivel eyed racist, ignorant, or my favourite, the pat on the head pitying 'misled' people who voted Leave but Ive said it before and its worth saying again. There is an innate British trait that we neither like nor yield when people back us against the wall.

    The standard British reaction is 'yeah? Come on then, do your worst. We'll still be standing'

    That isn't just a Brexit-mind, its a British trait.

    Yes, I'm very much of that persuasion myself, Yokel, but for the small qualification that one has to believe it's something worth fighting for.
  • BaskervilleBaskerville Posts: 391
    FF43 said:

    I don't think tearing up the Calais agreement is a threat. The French are totally serious about passing the problem into us.
    The point I was making was that TM is not unique in using foreign affairs posturing as part of an election campaign.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,801
    kle4 said:

    She better not read his other posts begging for EEA or the softest of Brexits, she'll get really confused.
    :D
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349

    Yep, there is no choice and that is to Labour's eternal shame. In the end, though, a bellicose, confrontational approach to Brexit will hurt us most. That is the bottom line that all those cheering May on need to remember. Cod-Churchill might buy some time should the worst happen, but it will not provide a solution.

    One hopes all sides will calm down post all these bloody elections, but hope is fading on that front.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,251
    kle4 said:

    She better not read his other posts begging for EEA or the softest of Brexits, she'll get really confused.
    Or the ones where he advocates bombing Dortmund!
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,079
    Where is Dianne Abbott today? Need some cheering up...
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    Yeah, right. let's see the headlines in the Mail , the Express, the Telegraph and the Sun tomorrow. She has made clear that anyone who opposes her is an enemy of the UK.
    Agreed and she seems to think 48% are 'the enemy within' so to speak.

    I expressed concern to my MP on UK policy towards leaving the EU as I'm entitled to do. He politely passed it onto the govt. for a reply as he usually does. Back came a hostile letter from No. 10. In 43 years I've never had a reply from the govt. that in icy English came close to saying

    you have no rights
    your side lost *
    GFY (they didn't quite say this but might as well have done).

    I didn't mentioned federalism (the f word). I'd just pointed out that Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein find it necessary to have a closer relationship to the EU than WTO and we shouldn't take such a drastic step as WTO.

    So, maybe a bunker mentality is already developing in No. 10.


    * The referendum was advisory; the ballot paper didn't say 'winner takes all'; 'leaving the EU' could equally be interpreted to be 'like Norway', 'like Iceland' or indeed 'like Liechtenstein'.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,010
    eek said:

    That downside became fact with the leak from Juncker yesterday....

    I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.

  • T
    kle4 said:

    Iron Man. It usually ties into another movie, so is a good way to tease and entice fans.

    Five is too many. The first Iron Man had one right at the end, after like 8 minutes of credits, but recently they've tended to two - a brief series of credits of the main actors and the director etc, a scene, then the long form credits, and a very brief one after that.

    I can see a certain joy from all those who worked on a movie as it means people stay for the entire credits. Similarly, it must bug cinema employees, as people don't clear out so they can clean up.

    Dragon Age Inquisition did it too, and that's a 90 hour videogame.
    To be fair the extra scene at the end of Deadpool is hilarious. Not played Dragon age....
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.

    It does seem that the EU is preparing to cut its losses:

    https://twitter.com/Jack_Blanchard_/status/859805270683287553
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    kle4 said:

    No she didn't unless you are arguing she has altered her entire strategy re the negotiations based off the leak against her.

    I'm talking about shifts in position, not lashing out, the two can happen at the same time but are not the same thing. Have we altered position? We were resisting their demands and trying to cherry pick, and we still are, officially, aren't we?

    If her previous position was "I want the best deal possible" then her statement today represents a shift.

    If her previous position was the hardest Brexit possible, then you're right, no change
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    murali_s said:

    Where is Dianne Abbott today? Need some cheering up...

    Indeed - a good old fashioned political gaffestorm really cheers me up compared to the complex realities of the real world.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,242
    surbiton said:
    The Guardian article is utter rubbish. For a start no country will impose tariffs on their own energy when they are so dependent on imports as most of the EU is.

    More importantly the article is misleading. It states that 10% of the workforce is from outside the UK ( I am surprised it is that small. Prior to the oil price crash it would have been nearer 30%) without pointing out that 90% of those foreign workers are from non EU countries.

    Basically they are talking garbage.
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    TM's greatest achievement is avoiding scrutiny over Non-EU immigration levels:

    https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,442

    Why do they insist on extra scenes after the credits? When did that become a thing?
    Happened with Iron Man, it is to set up the other films in the franchise.

    Even DC did it with Suicide Squad.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349

    Agreed and she seems to think 48% are 'the enemy within' so to speak.

    I expressed concern to my MP on UK policy towards leaving the EU as I'm entitled to do. He politely passed it onto the govt. for a reply as he usually does. Back came a hostile letter from No. 10. In 43 years I've never had a reply from the govt. that in icy English came close to saying

    you have no rights
    your side lost *
    GFY (they didn't quite say this but might as well have done).

    I didn't mentioned federalism (the f word). I'd just pointed out that Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein find it necessary to have a closer relationship to the EU than WTO and we shouldn't take such a drastic step as WTO.

    So, maybe a bunker mentality is already developing in No. 10.


    * The referendum was advisory; the ballot paper didn't say 'winner takes all'; 'leaving the EU' could equally be interpreted to be 'like Norway', 'like Iceland' or indeed 'like Liechtenstein'.
    Your last point is true.

    I am frankly amazed they responded though.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,801

    I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.

    No they're just demanding 100bn from us! ;)
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    Yes, I'm very much of that persuasion myself, Yokel, but for the small qualification that one has to believe it's something worth fighting for.
    It helps if the EU don't keep upping the bill. I have no idea why this stuff is coming from across the North Sea right now, it makes more sense to keep the powder dry. I get they are mortally offended but jesus christ they need to rest it up.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349

    Or the ones where he advocates bombing Dortmund!
    We've all done that now and again, be fair.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,442
    edited May 2017
    @jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".

    image

    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/859832412959903745
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    surbiton said:

    Fair enough. That could have negotiated with goodwill. But now it has really soured the atmosphere. It is also just not what she says, it is also her manner of saying. Too abrasive. Yes, she will add a few points and win an even bigger majority. Then what ?
    Juncker and Verhofstad soured the atmosphere by suggesting the PM was delusional - not too far from your more blunt questioning of her sanity for which you should be ashamed. No doubt you'll soon be calling her worse. what is it with LD/Lab about women in politics?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349

    @jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923.

    They're shooting big. Will be a bit disappointing, relatively speaking, if it is 'only' a 50-70 majority.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Jonathan said:

    Thatcher wouldn't have done it.
    Major wouldn't have done it.
    Blair wouldn't have done it.
    Brown wouldn't have done it.
    Cameron wouldn't have done it.

    Corbyn would have thought about it and even he would not have done it.

    May either thinks she is in a movie or is seriously out of her depth. Possibly both.

    bullllllshit
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,156
    edited May 2017
    Y0kel said:

    I'm not sure some people, perhaps because they just refuse to get their head around it, get what May is aiming at here.

    You could say it's swivel eyed racist, ignorant, or my favourite, the pat on the head pitying 'misled' people who voted Leave but Ive said it before and its worth saying again. There is an innate British trait that we neither like nor yield when people back us against the wall.

    The standard British reaction is 'yeah? Come on then, do your worst. We'll still be standing'

    That isn't just a Brexit-mind, its a British trait.

    There is also the British sense of fair play.

    Somebody says our opening offer is 50bn, then oh you don't accept it is now 60bn, oh you are tgoing o be awkward it's a 100bn.

    The British trait is to say foxtrot Oscar if you are going to play silly buggers.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    When they've shouted Rule Britannia, when they've sung God Save The Queen and when they've finished killing Juncker with their mouths, the Leavers are going to ensure that all of us are going to pay - pay - pay for their jingoism.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited May 2017
    The Irish already unimpressed with the EU and Juncker

    Fine Gael MEP Brian Hayes has warned that efforts by the EU to increase the bill presented to Britain for leaving the union could “wreck the Brexit negotiations before they start.These reports of a €100 billion bill are utterly unhelpful. Putting such an over-inflated bill on the British could leave talks at a standstill from the start,” he said

    And:

    In a meeting with the British prime minister Theresa May last week - details of which have been leaked - president of the European Commission Jean Claude Juncker is said to have told the British that if they refuse to pay the bill, there will be no trade deal post-Brexit. That would be a disaster for Ireland, meaning high tariffs for many Irish goods entering the UK market

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/brexit-q-a-will-britain-have-to-pay-100bn-to-leave-eu-1.3069895
  • isamisam Posts: 41,137

    Happened with Iron Man, it is to set up the other films in the franchise.

    Even DC did it with Suicide Squad.
    Not a wind up?!

    I was sat in my chair as the credits rolled feeling smug as everyone walked out! 5mins later I had the usherette saying "look mate I've seen this film 10 times this week and its fucking finished!"
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    @jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".

    image

    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/859832412959903745

    Should be a fairly easy Tory gain going by the latest opinion polls.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349

    When they've shouted Rule Britannia, when they've sung God Save The Queen and when they've finished killing Juncker with their mouths, the Leavers are going to ensure that all of us are going to pay - pay - pay for their jingoism.

    If it makes you feel better.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    Any idea when we might hear from Don Valley? Positive thoughts to TP.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited May 2017
    chestnut said:

    The Irish already unimpressed with the EU and Juncker

    Fine Gael MEP Brian Hayes has warned that efforts by the EU to increase the bill presented to Britain for leaving the union could “wreck the Brexit negotiations before they start”.

    “These reports of a €100 billion bill are utterly unhelpful. Putting such an over-inflated bill on the British could leave talks at a standstill from the start,” he said

    And:

    In a meeting with the British prime minister Theresa May last week - details of which have been leaked - president of the European Commission Jean Claude Juncker is said to have told the British that if they refuse to pay the bill, there will be no trade deal post-Brexit. That would be a disaster for Ireland, meaning high tariffs for many Irish goods entering the UK market



    The Irish are running a mini-block with the Dutch & Danes, promoting a no fuss, get it sorted and do a liberal trade deal approach. All three governments appear to be co-ordinating a position.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683

    @jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".

    image

    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/859832412959903745

    Technical question; would spending on a generic 'vote X' advert today count towards general election or local election expenditure?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    It's quite apparent from posts on here that there are plenty of Leavers entirely willing to believe that the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung is the obvious newspaper of choice for Eurocrats to try to swing the British election. So Theresa May is probably going to be just fine suggesting that.

    The more chilling (and more likely) thought is that the Eurocrats are indifferent to the impact on the UK's general election. If that's a second or third order consideration, it implies that the Eurocrats have more important considerations. None of those more possible important considerations support the idea that a good deal is going to be done.

    If you're right no doubt there will now be a dignified silence from all out European friends about the British PM s state of mind while the election continues. I'm sure they wouldn't ever swoop to the level of biting back. Are you?
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    When they've shouted Rule Britannia, when they've sung God Save The Queen and when they've finished killing Juncker with their mouths, the Leavers are going to ensure that all of us are going to pay - pay - pay for their jingoism.

    We never pay anyone Dane-geld,
    No matter how trifling the cost;
    For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
    And the nation that pays it is lost
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,442
    edited May 2017
    TudorRose said:

    Technical question; would spending on a generic 'vote X' advert today count towards general election or local election expenditure?
    So long as it says only Vote Tory = National spending

    If it says vote [candidate's name] = Local spending.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,317
    Y0kel said:



    The Irish are running a mini-block with the Dutch & Danes, promoting a no fuss, get it sorted and do a liberal trade deal approach. All three governments appear to be co-ordinating a position.
    The UK government would do well to align itself with them!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,767
    ITV has confirmed Leaders Debate for Thurs 18 May.

    Seven parties invited - as per 2015 ITV debate.

    Debate goes ahead whether or not May and / or Corbyn attend.

    May has already said No, Corbyn has said No if May not there.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/itv-uk-general-election-debate-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-empty-chair
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    edited May 2017

    We never pay anyone Dane-geld,
    Surely the existence of the danegeld is proof we do pay danegeld?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,251
    Interesting report on C4 News by Crick from Mansfield. Locals dominated by Labour and Corbyn - and how badly he is regarded in this solid Labour town.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349

    So long as it says only Vote Tory = National spending

    If it says votes [candidate's name] = Local spending.
    Sounds simple - makes it more likely any spending shenanigans were deliberate.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.

    Verhofstad only the other day was being pretty unpleasant . I have no link but I recall it.
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Any word on how the presidential debate is going?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281

    I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.

    I have not heard Juncker deny the remarks attributed to him either. Or do you approve of the EU interfering in member's domestic politics?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    @jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".

    image

    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/859832412959903745

    It's not just been Labour since 1923, since the seat was created in 1885 it has never gone Conservative. Before it was Labour it was Liberal.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    MikeL said:

    ITV has confirmed Leaders Debate for Thurs 18 May.

    Seven parties invited - as per 2015 ITV debate.

    Debate goes ahead whether or not May and / or Corbyn attend.

    May has already said No, Corbyn has said No if May not there.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/itv-uk-general-election-debate-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-empty-chair

    He should go. Yes it would be a u-turn and he'd take some flak from the others, but that May is the only one not brave enough to turn up will override that, and he is not bad in such settings.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    kle4 said:

    Surely the existence of the danegeld is proof we do pay danegeld?
    Did.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683

    So long as it says only Vote Tory = National spending

    If it says votes [candidate's name] = Local spending.
    Thanks!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098

    It's not just been Labour since 1923, since the seat was created in 1885 it has never gone Conservative. Before it was Labour it was Liberal.
    Arf - Mansfield & "liberal" in the same paragraph is amusing :p
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Interesting report on C4 News by Crick from Mansfield. Locals dominated by Labour and Corbyn - and how badly he is regarded in this solid Labour town.

    On paper it looks well within reach for the Tories: last time 28.2% Con, 25.1% UKIP, against Labour's 39.4%. However, the Kipper is standing again, which might be a problem.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,978
    Duncan Robinson (@duncanrobinson)
    "Brexit will never become a success." says Martin Selmayr, chef de cabinet of Jean-Claude Juncker. "It is a sad and sorry event."

    Sad and sorry for him and his boss it should indeed be.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,010

    I have not heard Juncker deny the remarks attributed to him either. Or do you approve of the EU interfering in member's domestic politics?

    I am struggling to see any evidence of the EU interfering in the UK election.

  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    It's not just been Labour since 1923, since the seat was created in 1885 it has never gone Conservative. Before it was Labour it was Liberal.
    The Tories only failed here by 56 votes in 1987.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,251
    MikeL said:

    ITV has confirmed Leaders Debate for Thurs 18 May.

    Seven parties invited - as per 2015 ITV debate.

    Debate goes ahead whether or not May and / or Corbyn attend.

    May has already said No, Corbyn has said No if May not there.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/itv-uk-general-election-debate-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-empty-chair

    Hamlet without the Prince.

    Does equal reporting require that May would have her own one-on-one interview as well?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,010
    felix said:

    Verhofstad only the other day was being pretty unpleasant . I have no link but I recall it.

    He is an MEP. He is not a national leader.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,972
    TudorRose said:

    Technical question; would spending on a generic 'vote X' advert today count towards general election or local election expenditure?
    The short campaign spending period for the GE starts today or when your candidate declares or is nominated, if later. I expect the Mansfield candidate has yet to do either.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,442
    World's biggest bank: "We have to plan for a scenario where there is no U.K.-EU passporting deal". Understandably.

    JPMorgan to Move Hundreds of Staff to Three EU Offices on Brexit

    http://tinyurl.com/NeedThisFeckingPassporting
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    So long as it says only Vote Tory = National spending

    If it says vote [candidate's name] = Local spending.
    Sounds like she's going to be over the limit in Maidenhead as her name is everywhere.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    justin124 said:

    The Tories only failed here by 56 votes in 1987.
    One of those curious seats which are not blessed with massive majorities and so not technically 'safe', but which have solidly remained with one party over such a long period that they seem like they should be safe, I suppose. Like Copeland.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,972

    Did.
    Indeed. Nowadays one free Christmas tree per year flows in the opposite direction.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,317

    Sounds like she's going to be over the limit in Maidenhead as her name is everywhere.
    Only counts in that constituency!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098

    Hamlet without the Prince.

    Does equal reporting require that May would have her own one-on-one interview as well?
    More importantly Corbyn has to have equal time too.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,442

    Hamlet without the Prince.

    Does equal reporting require that May would have her own one-on-one interview as well?
    No, so long as you've made a reasonable offer with a reasonable time frame and party x declines it, then no.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    MikeL said:

    ITV has confirmed Leaders Debate for Thurs 18 May.

    Seven parties invited - as per 2015 ITV debate.

    Debate goes ahead whether or not May and / or Corbyn attend.

    May has already said No, Corbyn has said No if May not there.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/itv-uk-general-election-debate-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-empty-chair

    Excellent news.

    Tezza and Jezza empty chaired .... :smile:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,538

    I am struggling to see any evidence of the EU interfering in the UK election.
    The debate between Macron and Le Pen is this evening with the election this weekend. May's full frontal attack on Brussels will surely give ammunition to Le Pen.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098
    IanB2 said:

    The short campaign spending period for the GE starts today or when your candidate declares or is nominated, if later. I expect the Mansfield candidate has yet to do either.
    I received a survey from the Tories the other day. Some good and mildly leading questions on it.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    IanB2 said:

    The short campaign spending period for the GE starts today or when your candidate declares or is nominated, if later. I expect the Mansfield candidate has yet to do either.
    So, this is effectively a 'free hit' not counting for either the GE or the locals? It seems to me that there is scope for a bit of confusion on this, not least because the expenses issues from the 2015 election have still not been conclusively resolved.
  • midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112
    FF43 said:

    I don't think tearing up the Calais agreement is a threat. The French are totally serious about passing the problem into us.
    Could that mean that Dave was right (again) about shanty towns i deepest Kent?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,251

    No, so long as you've made a reasonable offer with a reasonable time frame and party x declines it, then no.
    Expect lawyers to argue it was not reasonable....
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Hamlet without the Prince.

    Does equal reporting require that May would have her own one-on-one interview as well?
    No.

    Her choice not to go.
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