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Yes, there will be more telling critiques from that quarter than the shadow cabinet (which sets an unfairly low bar).kle4 said:
At least we have George Osborne to keep TMay on her toes moving forward.DavidL said:
And there is only one answer. By electing a thick, incompetent buffoon as leader and then even more incredibly re-electing him Labour have failed to give this country a choice. It is disgraceful self-indulgence, really shameful. Even if you have reservations about May, even if you have serious concerns about the competence of those about her, there is no choice. None.0 -
I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I see a Prime Minster easily rattled. That does make me nervous.MarqueeMark said:
You want her to be a doormat in the entrance to 10 Downing Street?Jonathan said:
It's not remotely statesmanlike.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
Your nervousness is showing through - that our Prime Minister might have nicely judged the national mood to political advantage....0 -
Apart from 7 years of no Labour govt and 45% in the polls ? Not much...foxinsoxuk said:
She did bellicosity against both her own party, and against the Police, but what real change in either did she achieve? not much that I can see in either.CommanderShepard said:
Why are people so shocked that TMay can do politics. Have they forgotten she was the person who told the Tories they are the nasty party and then took on the vested interests I'm the police.MarqueeMark said:
You want her to be a doormat in the entrance to 10 Downing Street?Jonathan said:
It's not remotely statesmanlike.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
Your nervousness is showing through - that our Prime Minister might have nicely judged the national mood to political advantage....0 -
Yes, I think the chances of a good deal more or less evaporated some time ago (the Tory party conference was probably the last decent chance).kle4 said:
And if that is the case TMay's bellicose remarks are irrelevant, neither a grand victory nor a grand disaster, as the stage will already have been set.AlastairMeeks said:
The more chilling (and more likely) thought is that the Eurocrats are indifferent to the impact on the UK's general election. If that's a second or third order consideration, it implies that the Eurocrats have more important considerations. None of those more possible important considerations support the idea that a good deal is going to be done.0 -
No she didn't unless you are arguing she has altered her entire strategy re the negotiations based off the leak against her.Scott_P said:
Tezza did it today.kle4 said:Stuff like that makes the argument the EU and the EU27 are fools who respond to the last thing they heard and nothing else matters. And that's Donald Trump's thing.
I'm talking about shifts in position, not lashing out, the two can happen at the same time but are not the same thing. Have we altered position? We were resisting their demands and trying to cherry pick, and we still are, officially, aren't we?0 -
I'm not sure some people, perhaps because they just refuse to get their head around it, get what May is aiming at here.
You could say it's swivel eyed racist, ignorant, or my favourite, the pat on the head pitying 'misled' people who voted Leave but Ive said it before and its worth saying again. There is an innate British trait that we neither like nor yield when people back us against the wall.
The standard British reaction is 'yeah? Come on then, do your worst. We'll still be standing'
That isn't just a Brexit-mind, its a British trait.
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He repeatedly fell on the blade. Very clumsy of him. I believe the British press mocked the French over the suicide verdict. Some things don't change.dr_spyn said:
Earlier today, I was reading about his suicide, 6 self inflicted stab wounds near the heart and a 7th to pierce a lung. Most unusual death.CommanderShepard said:To describe Corbyn as honourable is to argue that Charles Villeneuve was a great Admiral.
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Just saw Tezza!
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Hmm. Dunno. The "Queen of little england" thing should be enough to get her >45% of the vote.Roger said:
It reminds people of Thatcher and not in a good way. The downside from her point of view is that it'll galvanise a progressive alliance against her. I don't think wrapping yourself in the flag is in keeping with to days zeitgeist. Certainly not with Remainers or young people.Jonathan said:
It's not remotely statesmanlike.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
She's not even trying to win remainers or young people. She's calculated we don't matter.
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Sit through the entire end credits.SimonStClare said:I’m off to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Good luck to PB’s Tissue_Price on his selection.
Five extra scenes.0 -
agreedkle4 said:
No, all issues must be the most important issue ever, this has to be the most damaging statement ever made!Scrapheap_as_was said:As a Tory remainer, I'm relaxed about all this - it's the Euro Sausage all over again from Yes Minister.
Honestly, as not a fan of TMay, when she does slip up people get a bit too excited and overdo it.0 -
And you were such a fan before too....Jonathan said:
I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I see a Prime Minster easily rattled. That does make me nervous.MarqueeMark said:
You want her to be a doormat in the entrance to 10 Downing Street?Jonathan said:
It's not remotely statesmanlike.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
Your nervousness is showing through - that our Prime Minister might have nicely judged the national mood to political advantage....0 -
Now Oil and Gas will suffer. I hadn't heard of that before.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/03/hard-brexit-oil-gas-industry-wto-freedom-of-movement0 -
So I'm right - it's nothing to worry about if Montie is moaning.MikeSmithson said:Tim Montgomerie joins the doubters and attacks TMay
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Arguably, her "Nasty Party" speech of 2002 laid the groundwork for David Cameron to become leader to detoxify the brand, a job that David Davis was thought not capable of doing. So, yes, she did help achieve real change.foxinsoxuk said:
She did bellicosity against both her own party, and against the Police, but what real change in either did she achieve? not much that I can see in either.CommanderShepard said:
Why are people so shocked that TMay can do politics. Have they forgotten she was the person who told the Tories they are the nasty party and then took on the vested interests I'm the police.MarqueeMark said:
You want her to be a doormat in the entrance to 10 Downing Street?Jonathan said:
It's not remotely statesmanlike.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
Your nervousness is showing through - that our Prime Minister might have nicely judged the national mood to political advantage....
I also heard a former Chief Constable on WatO yesterday saying that yes, the police had over-egged their case. She got them to wind their necks back in.
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Why do they insist on extra scenes after the credits? When did that become a thing?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sit through the entire end credits.SimonStClare said:I’m off to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Good luck to PB’s Tissue_Price on his selection.
Five extra scenes.
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That theory may be about to be tested to destruction.Y0kel said:I'm not sure some people, perhaps because they just refuse to get their head around it, get what May is aiming at here.
You could say it's swivel eyed racist, ignorant, or my favourite, the pat on the head pitying 'misled' people who voted Leave but Ive said it before and its worth saying again. There is an innate British trait that we neither like nor yield when people back us against the wall.
The standard British reaction is 'yeah? Come on then, do your worst. We'll still be standing'
That isn't just a Brexit-mind, its a British trait.
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I suspect Osborne is just trying to bed into the job and curry favour with the readership. It will be leading up until the GE in June when we will see whether he is ditching politics. I don't think he will be.DeClare said:
Yeah! in a free newspaper that's only read by London commuters and only taken seriously by deluded remaindermen.kle4 said:
At least we have George Osborne to keep TMay on her toes moving forward.DavidL said:
And there is only one answer. By electing a thick, incompetent buffoon as leader and then even more incredibly re-electing him Labour have failed to give this country a choice. It is disgraceful self-indulgence, really shameful. Even if you have reservations about May, even if you have serious concerns about the competence of those about her, there is no choice. None.0 -
Well FWIW before she became PM I regularly tipped her here for Tory leader arguing her party owed her a lot.CarlottaVance said:
And you were such a fan before too....Jonathan said:
I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I see a Prime Minster easily rattled. That does make me nervous.MarqueeMark said:
You want her to be a doormat in the entrance to 10 Downing Street?Jonathan said:
It's not remotely statesmanlike.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
Your nervousness is showing through - that our Prime Minister might have nicely judged the national mood to political advantage....
But she definitely betrayed a lack of confidence today. She has her weaknesses. She reminds me of Brown.
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I don't think tearing up the Calais agreement is a threat. The French are totally serious about passing the problem into us.Baskerville said:
Such as Macron threatening to tear up the Calais agreement, or Merkel claiming the UK has 'illusions', you mean?foxinsoxuk said:
A little bit of Jingoism never did anyone any harm, or did it?Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
I expect PB Leavers to be just as sympathetic to bellicose posturing during the French assembly elections, the German elections and the Spring '18 Italian elections.
Brexit by timetable...0 -
surbiton
'We would be in a strong position not to pay on any spend after 2020. But legally I am not sure how we can not pay until 2020 unless we want to sour relations with the EU countries.'
So just under two years of contributions approx.€ 20 billion.
So you agree the €60 - 100 billion is nonsense.
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I fell for that one in 1999 re Lock StockTheScreamingEagles said:
Sit through the entire end credits.SimonStClare said:I’m off to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Good luck to PB’s Tissue_Price on his selection.
Five extra scenes.0 -
Iron Man. It usually ties into another movie, so is a good way to tease and entice fans.CommanderShepard said:
Why do they insist on extra scenes after the credits? When did that become a thing?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sit through the entire end credits.SimonStClare said:I’m off to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Good luck to PB’s Tissue_Price on his selection.
Five extra scenes.
Five is too many. The first Iron Man had one right at the end, after like 8 minutes of credits, but recently they've tended to two - a brief series of credits of the main actors and the director etc, a scene, then the long form credits, and a very brief one after that.
I can see a certain joy from all those who worked on a movie as it means people stay for the entire credits. Similarly, it must bug cinema employees, as people don't clear out so they can clean up.
Dragon Age Inquisition did it too, and that's a 90 hour videogame.0 -
I wonder whether Theresa was reading SeanT's posts on PB last night?
The way the election of framed now is that your either a supporter of the UK or your a supporter of Juncker!
Time to choose.0 -
For a while Tim Montgomerie was on alternate days tweeting that Britain needed to charm the EU and tweeting that the EU was a dysfunctional organisation that we were well out of. He didn't seem to see the tension between these two lines of tweets.Scrapheap_as_was said:
So I'm right - it's nothing to worry about if Montie is moaning.MikeSmithson said:Tim Montgomerie joins the doubters and attacks TMay
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We'll win, we always do.SouthamObserver said:
That theory may be about to be tested to destruction.Y0kel said:I'm not sure some people, perhaps because they just refuse to get their head around it, get what May is aiming at here.
You could say it's swivel eyed racist, ignorant, or my favourite, the pat on the head pitying 'misled' people who voted Leave but Ive said it before and its worth saying again. There is an innate British trait that we neither like nor yield when people back us against the wall.
The standard British reaction is 'yeah? Come on then, do your worst. We'll still be standing'
That isn't just a Brexit-mind, its a British trait.0 -
She better not read his other posts begging for EEA or the softest of Brexits, she'll get really confused.GIN1138 said:I wonder whether Theresa was reading SeanT's posts on PB last night?
The way the election of framed now is that your either a supporter of the UK or your a supporter of Juncker!
Time to choose.0 -
Yep, there is no choice and that is to Labour's eternal shame. In the end, though, a bellicose, confrontational approach to Brexit will hurt us most. That is the bottom line that all those cheering May on need to remember. Cod-Churchill might buy some time should the worst happen, but it will not provide a solution.DavidL said:This election is about Brexit. In Brexit we face one of the more complicated and difficult challenges that we have faced since the war, the outcome of which will have a material effect on peoples' standard of living for a long time to come. The question people have to ask themselves is who is best placed to negotiate us the best result?
And there is only one answer. By electing a thick, incompetent buffoon as leader and then even more incredibly re-electing him Labour have failed to give this country a choice. It is disgraceful self-indulgence, really shameful. Even if you have reservations about May, even if you have serious concerns about the competence of those about her, there is no choice. None.
Of course if the EU are stupid enough to act unreasonably or make ridiculous statements May is going to use the opportunity to ram that message home. It is going to win the election for her so why wouldn't she?
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Yes, I'm very much of that persuasion myself, Yokel, but for the small qualification that one has to believe it's something worth fighting for.Y0kel said:I'm not sure some people, perhaps because they just refuse to get their head around it, get what May is aiming at here.
You could say it's swivel eyed racist, ignorant, or my favourite, the pat on the head pitying 'misled' people who voted Leave but Ive said it before and its worth saying again. There is an innate British trait that we neither like nor yield when people back us against the wall.
The standard British reaction is 'yeah? Come on then, do your worst. We'll still be standing'
That isn't just a Brexit-mind, its a British trait.0 -
The point I was making was that TM is not unique in using foreign affairs posturing as part of an election campaign.FF43 said:
I don't think tearing up the Calais agreement is a threat. The French are totally serious about passing the problem into us.Baskerville said:
Such as Macron threatening to tear up the Calais agreement, or Merkel claiming the UK has 'illusions', you mean?foxinsoxuk said:
A little bit of Jingoism never did anyone any harm, or did it?Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
I expect PB Leavers to be just as sympathetic to bellicose posturing during the French assembly elections, the German elections and the Spring '18 Italian elections.
Brexit by timetable...
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kle4 said:
She better not read his other posts begging for EEA or the softest of Brexits, she'll get really confused.GIN1138 said:I wonder whether Theresa was reading SeanT's posts on PB last night?
The way the election of framed now is that your either a supporter of the UK or your a supporter of Juncker!
Time to choose. 0 -
One hopes all sides will calm down post all these bloody elections, but hope is fading on that front.SouthamObserver said:
Yep, there is no choice and that is to Labour's eternal shame. In the end, though, a bellicose, confrontational approach to Brexit will hurt us most. That is the bottom line that all those cheering May on need to remember. Cod-Churchill might buy some time should the worst happen, but it will not provide a solution.DavidL said:This election is about Brexit. In Brexit we face one of the more complicated and difficult challenges that we have faced since the war, the outcome of which will have a material effect on peoples' standard of living for a long time to come. The question people have to ask themselves is who is best placed to negotiate us the best result?
And there is only one answer. By electing a thick, incompetent buffoon as leader and then even more incredibly re-electing him Labour have failed to give this country a choice. It is disgraceful self-indulgence, really shameful. Even if you have reservations about May, even if you have serious concerns about the competence of those about her, there is no choice. None.
Of course if the EU are stupid enough to act unreasonably or make ridiculous statements May is going to use the opportunity to ram that message home. It is going to win the election for her so why wouldn't she?0 -
Or the ones where he advocates bombing Dortmund!kle4 said:
She better not read his other posts begging for EEA or the softest of Brexits, she'll get really confused.GIN1138 said:I wonder whether Theresa was reading SeanT's posts on PB last night?
The way the election of framed now is that your either a supporter of the UK or your a supporter of Juncker!
Time to choose.0 -
Where is Dianne Abbott today? Need some cheering up...0
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Agreed and she seems to think 48% are 'the enemy within' so to speak.SouthamObserver said:
Yeah, right. let's see the headlines in the Mail , the Express, the Telegraph and the Sun tomorrow. She has made clear that anyone who opposes her is an enemy of the UK.Richard_Nabavi said:
No she's not. She's pitching to those who want a deal but are worried that the EU are being unreasonable.SouthamObserver said:May is pitching to the head-bangers here who want failure.
I expressed concern to my MP on UK policy towards leaving the EU as I'm entitled to do. He politely passed it onto the govt. for a reply as he usually does. Back came a hostile letter from No. 10. In 43 years I've never had a reply from the govt. that in icy English came close to saying
you have no rights
your side lost *
GFY (they didn't quite say this but might as well have done).
I didn't mentioned federalism (the f word). I'd just pointed out that Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein find it necessary to have a closer relationship to the EU than WTO and we shouldn't take such a drastic step as WTO.
So, maybe a bunker mentality is already developing in No. 10.
* The referendum was advisory; the ballot paper didn't say 'winner takes all'; 'leaving the EU' could equally be interpreted to be 'like Norway', 'like Iceland' or indeed 'like Liechtenstein'.0 -
I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.eek said:
That downside became fact with the leak from Juncker yesterday....SouthamObserver said:
The downside is that it makes it politically harder for EU leaders to offer up the concessions they will need to make in order for there to be a Brexit deal that works for the UK.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
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To be fair the extra scene at the end of Deadpool is hilarious. Not played Dragon age....kle4 said:
Iron Man. It usually ties into another movie, so is a good way to tease and entice fans.CommanderShepard said:
Why do they insist on extra scenes after the credits? When did that become a thing?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sit through the entire end credits.SimonStClare said:I’m off to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Good luck to PB’s Tissue_Price on his selection.
Five extra scenes.
Five is too many. The first Iron Man had one right at the end, after like 8 minutes of credits, but recently they've tended to two - a brief series of credits of the main actors and the director etc, a scene, then the long form credits, and a very brief one after that.
I can see a certain joy from all those who worked on a movie as it means people stay for the entire credits. Similarly, it must bug cinema employees, as people don't clear out so they can clean up.
Dragon Age Inquisition did it too, and that's a 90 hour videogame.0 -
It does seem that the EU is preparing to cut its losses:SouthamObserver said:
I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.eek said:
That downside became fact with the leak from Juncker yesterday....SouthamObserver said:
The downside is that it makes it politically harder for EU leaders to offer up the concessions they will need to make in order for there to be a Brexit deal that works for the UK.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
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If her previous position was "I want the best deal possible" then her statement today represents a shift.kle4 said:No she didn't unless you are arguing she has altered her entire strategy re the negotiations based off the leak against her.
I'm talking about shifts in position, not lashing out, the two can happen at the same time but are not the same thing. Have we altered position? We were resisting their demands and trying to cherry pick, and we still are, officially, aren't we?
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The Guardian article is utter rubbish. For a start no country will impose tariffs on their own energy when they are so dependent on imports as most of the EU is.surbiton said:Now Oil and Gas will suffer. I hadn't heard of that before.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/03/hard-brexit-oil-gas-industry-wto-freedom-of-movement
More importantly the article is misleading. It states that 10% of the workforce is from outside the UK ( I am surprised it is that small. Prior to the oil price crash it would have been nearer 30%) without pointing out that 90% of those foreign workers are from non EU countries.
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TM's greatest achievement is avoiding scrutiny over Non-EU immigration levels:
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Happened with Iron Man, it is to set up the other films in the franchise.CommanderShepard said:
Why do they insist on extra scenes after the credits? When did that become a thing?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sit through the entire end credits.SimonStClare said:I’m off to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Good luck to PB’s Tissue_Price on his selection.
Five extra scenes.
Even DC did it with Suicide Squad.0 -
Your last point is true.rural_voter said:
Agreed and she seems to think 48% are 'the enemy within' so to speak.SouthamObserver said:
Yeah, right. let's see the headlines in the Mail , the Express, the Telegraph and the Sun tomorrow. She has made clear that anyone who opposes her is an enemy of the UK.Richard_Nabavi said:
No she's not. She's pitching to those who want a deal but are worried that the EU are being unreasonable.SouthamObserver said:May is pitching to the head-bangers here who want failure.
I expressed concern to my MP on UK policy towards leaving the EU as I'm entitled to do. He politely passed it onto the govt. for a reply as he usually does. Back came a hostile letter from No. 10. In 43 years I've never had a reply from the govt. that in icy English came close to saying
you have no rights
your side lost *
GFY (they didn't quite say this but might as well have done).
I didn't mentioned federalism (the f word). I'd just pointed out that Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein find it necessary to have a closer relationship to the EU than WTO and we shouldn't take such a drastic step as WTO.
So, maybe a bunker mentality is already developing in No. 10.
* The referendum was advisory; the ballot paper didn't say 'winner takes all'; 'leaving the EU' could equally be interpreted to be 'like Norway', 'like Iceland' or indeed 'like Liechtenstein'.
I am frankly amazed they responded though.0 -
No they're just demanding 100bn from us!SouthamObserver said:
I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.eek said:
That downside became fact with the leak from Juncker yesterday....SouthamObserver said:
The downside is that it makes it politically harder for EU leaders to offer up the concessions they will need to make in order for there to be a Brexit deal that works for the UK.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
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It helps if the EU don't keep upping the bill. I have no idea why this stuff is coming from across the North Sea right now, it makes more sense to keep the powder dry. I get they are mortally offended but jesus christ they need to rest it up.Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I'm very much of that persuasion myself, Yokel, but for the small qualification that one has to believe it's something worth fighting for.Y0kel said:I'm not sure some people, perhaps because they just refuse to get their head around it, get what May is aiming at here.
You could say it's swivel eyed racist, ignorant, or my favourite, the pat on the head pitying 'misled' people who voted Leave but Ive said it before and its worth saying again. There is an innate British trait that we neither like nor yield when people back us against the wall.
The standard British reaction is 'yeah? Come on then, do your worst. We'll still be standing'
That isn't just a Brexit-mind, its a British trait.
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We've all done that now and again, be fair.MarqueeMark said:
Or the ones where he advocates bombing Dortmund!kle4 said:
She better not read his other posts begging for EEA or the softest of Brexits, she'll get really confused.GIN1138 said:I wonder whether Theresa was reading SeanT's posts on PB last night?
The way the election of framed now is that your either a supporter of the UK or your a supporter of Juncker!
Time to choose.0 -
@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
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Juncker and Verhofstad soured the atmosphere by suggesting the PM was delusional - not too far from your more blunt questioning of her sanity for which you should be ashamed. No doubt you'll soon be calling her worse. what is it with LD/Lab about women in politics?surbiton said:
Fair enough. That could have negotiated with goodwill. But now it has really soured the atmosphere. It is also just not what she says, it is also her manner of saying. Too abrasive. Yes, she will add a few points and win an even bigger majority. Then what ?eek said:
Legally I suspect we don't have to pay beyond March 29 2019, morally we should pay until the end of the 2020 budget...surbiton said:
Carlotta, the annual NET contribution is indeed net as it says. But the EU gross budget runs into hundreds of billions. In 2014 [ I think ], the EU finalised their budget, partly at Britain's insistence, that it should run until 2020. All 28 countries signed the budget.CarlottaVance said:
Given our annual net contribution is around £13 billion - why would £26 billion become £50 or £100?surbiton said:
Sensible to you = Zero ?Richard_Nabavi said:Of course, if our EU friends want to improve the atmosphere, they have a very simple means to do so. They just need to let it be known that they too don't recognise the figures of €50bn to €100bn which have appeared in the press, and that they expect the final figure to be sensible when compared with the UK's annual membership cost.
What if the UK have indeed signed commitments of whatever billions ? Are you saying UK should renege ?
We would be in a strong position not to pay on any spend after 2020. But legally I am not sure how we can not pay until 2020 unless we want to sour relations with the EU countries.
Remember one thing: if the UK does not pay [ we do not know the actual figure, at the moment it is all hot air ], the other 27 will have to pick up the tab. No one will be happy.
If our strategy is divide and rule, then the chances of Latvia siding with us, after they have been told they would have to pick up €3bn, say, of the spend, is most unlikely.
I hope I have made it as clear as possible.
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They're shooting big. Will be a bit disappointing, relatively speaking, if it is 'only' a 50-70 majority.TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923.
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bullllllshitJonathan said:Thatcher wouldn't have done it.
Major wouldn't have done it.
Blair wouldn't have done it.
Brown wouldn't have done it.
Cameron wouldn't have done it.
Corbyn would have thought about it and even he would not have done it.
May either thinks she is in a movie or is seriously out of her depth. Possibly both.0 -
There is also the British sense of fair play.Y0kel said:I'm not sure some people, perhaps because they just refuse to get their head around it, get what May is aiming at here.
You could say it's swivel eyed racist, ignorant, or my favourite, the pat on the head pitying 'misled' people who voted Leave but Ive said it before and its worth saying again. There is an innate British trait that we neither like nor yield when people back us against the wall.
The standard British reaction is 'yeah? Come on then, do your worst. We'll still be standing'
That isn't just a Brexit-mind, its a British trait.
Somebody says our opening offer is 50bn, then oh you don't accept it is now 60bn, oh you are tgoing o be awkward it's a 100bn.
The British trait is to say foxtrot Oscar if you are going to play silly buggers.0 -
When they've shouted Rule Britannia, when they've sung God Save The Queen and when they've finished killing Juncker with their mouths, the Leavers are going to ensure that all of us are going to pay - pay - pay for their jingoism.0
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The Irish already unimpressed with the EU and Juncker
Fine Gael MEP Brian Hayes has warned that efforts by the EU to increase the bill presented to Britain for leaving the union could “wreck the Brexit negotiations before they start.These reports of a €100 billion bill are utterly unhelpful. Putting such an over-inflated bill on the British could leave talks at a standstill from the start,” he said
And:
In a meeting with the British prime minister Theresa May last week - details of which have been leaked - president of the European Commission Jean Claude Juncker is said to have told the British that if they refuse to pay the bill, there will be no trade deal post-Brexit. That would be a disaster for Ireland, meaning high tariffs for many Irish goods entering the UK market
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/brexit-q-a-will-britain-have-to-pay-100bn-to-leave-eu-1.30698950 -
Not a wind up?!TheScreamingEagles said:
Happened with Iron Man, it is to set up the other films in the franchise.CommanderShepard said:
Why do they insist on extra scenes after the credits? When did that become a thing?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sit through the entire end credits.SimonStClare said:I’m off to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Good luck to PB’s Tissue_Price on his selection.
Five extra scenes.
Even DC did it with Suicide Squad.
I was sat in my chair as the credits rolled feeling smug as everyone walked out! 5mins later I had the usherette saying "look mate I've seen this film 10 times this week and its fucking finished!"0 -
Should be a fairly easy Tory gain going by the latest opinion polls.TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
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If it makes you feel better.AlastairMeeks said:When they've shouted Rule Britannia, when they've sung God Save The Queen and when they've finished killing Juncker with their mouths, the Leavers are going to ensure that all of us are going to pay - pay - pay for their jingoism.
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Any idea when we might hear from Don Valley? Positive thoughts to TP.0
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chestnut said:
The Irish already unimpressed with the EU and Juncker
Fine Gael MEP Brian Hayes has warned that efforts by the EU to increase the bill presented to Britain for leaving the union could “wreck the Brexit negotiations before they start”.
“These reports of a €100 billion bill are utterly unhelpful. Putting such an over-inflated bill on the British could leave talks at a standstill from the start,” he said
And:
In a meeting with the British prime minister Theresa May last week - details of which have been leaked - president of the European Commission Jean Claude Juncker is said to have told the British that if they refuse to pay the bill, there will be no trade deal post-Brexit. That would be a disaster for Ireland, meaning high tariffs for many Irish goods entering the UK market
The Irish are running a mini-block with the Dutch & Danes, promoting a no fuss, get it sorted and do a liberal trade deal approach. All three governments appear to be co-ordinating a position.0 -
Technical question; would spending on a generic 'vote X' advert today count towards general election or local election expenditure?TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
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If you're right no doubt there will now be a dignified silence from all out European friends about the British PM s state of mind while the election continues. I'm sure they wouldn't ever swoop to the level of biting back. Are you?AlastairMeeks said:It's quite apparent from posts on here that there are plenty of Leavers entirely willing to believe that the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung is the obvious newspaper of choice for Eurocrats to try to swing the British election. So Theresa May is probably going to be just fine suggesting that.
The more chilling (and more likely) thought is that the Eurocrats are indifferent to the impact on the UK's general election. If that's a second or third order consideration, it implies that the Eurocrats have more important considerations. None of those more possible important considerations support the idea that a good deal is going to be done.0 -
We never pay anyone Dane-geld,AlastairMeeks said:When they've shouted Rule Britannia, when they've sung God Save The Queen and when they've finished killing Juncker with their mouths, the Leavers are going to ensure that all of us are going to pay - pay - pay for their jingoism.
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
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So long as it says only Vote Tory = National spendingTudorRose said:
Technical question; would spending on a generic 'vote X' advert today count towards general election or local election expenditure?TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/859832412959903745
If it says vote [candidate's name] = Local spending.0 -
The UK government would do well to align itself with them!Y0kel said:chestnut said:The Irish already unimpressed with the EU and Juncker
Fine Gael MEP Brian Hayes has warned that efforts by the EU to increase the bill presented to Britain for leaving the union could “wreck the Brexit negotiations before they start”.
“These reports of a €100 billion bill are utterly unhelpful. Putting such an over-inflated bill on the British could leave talks at a standstill from the start,” he said
And:
In a meeting with the British prime minister Theresa May last week - details of which have been leaked - president of the European Commission Jean Claude Juncker is said to have told the British that if they refuse to pay the bill, there will be no trade deal post-Brexit. That would be a disaster for Ireland, meaning high tariffs for many Irish goods entering the UK market
The Irish are running a mini-block with the Dutch & Danes, promoting a no fuss, get it sorted and do a liberal trade deal approach. All three governments appear to be co-ordinating a position.0 -
ITV has confirmed Leaders Debate for Thurs 18 May.
Seven parties invited - as per 2015 ITV debate.
Debate goes ahead whether or not May and / or Corbyn attend.
May has already said No, Corbyn has said No if May not there.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/itv-uk-general-election-debate-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-empty-chair0 -
Surely the existence of the danegeld is proof we do pay danegeld?MonikerDiCanio said:
We never pay anyone Dane-geld,AlastairMeeks said:When they've shouted Rule Britannia, when they've sung God Save The Queen and when they've finished killing Juncker with their mouths, the Leavers are going to ensure that all of us are going to pay - pay - pay for their jingoism.
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Interesting report on C4 News by Crick from Mansfield. Locals dominated by Labour and Corbyn - and how badly he is regarded in this solid Labour town.0
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Sounds simple - makes it more likely any spending shenanigans were deliberate.TheScreamingEagles said:
So long as it says only Vote Tory = National spendingTudorRose said:
Technical question; would spending on a generic 'vote X' advert today count towards general election or local election expenditure?TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/859832412959903745
If it says votes [candidate's name] = Local spending.0 -
Verhofstad only the other day was being pretty unpleasant . I have no link but I recall it.SouthamObserver said:
I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.eek said:
That downside became fact with the leak from Juncker yesterday....SouthamObserver said:
The downside is that it makes it politically harder for EU leaders to offer up the concessions they will need to make in order for there to be a Brexit deal that works for the UK.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.0 -
Any word on how the presidential debate is going?0
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I have not heard Juncker deny the remarks attributed to him either. Or do you approve of the EU interfering in member's domestic politics?SouthamObserver said:
I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.eek said:
That downside became fact with the leak from Juncker yesterday....SouthamObserver said:
The downside is that it makes it politically harder for EU leaders to offer up the concessions they will need to make in order for there to be a Brexit deal that works for the UK.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.0 -
It's not just been Labour since 1923, since the seat was created in 1885 it has never gone Conservative. Before it was Labour it was Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/8598324129599037450 -
He should go. Yes it would be a u-turn and he'd take some flak from the others, but that May is the only one not brave enough to turn up will override that, and he is not bad in such settings.MikeL said:ITV has confirmed Leaders Debate for Thurs 18 May.
Seven parties invited - as per 2015 ITV debate.
Debate goes ahead whether or not May and / or Corbyn attend.
May has already said No, Corbyn has said No if May not there.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/itv-uk-general-election-debate-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-empty-chair0 -
Did.kle4 said:
Surely the existence of the danegeld is proof we do pay danegeld?MonikerDiCanio said:
We never pay anyone Dane-geld,AlastairMeeks said:When they've shouted Rule Britannia, when they've sung God Save The Queen and when they've finished killing Juncker with their mouths, the Leavers are going to ensure that all of us are going to pay - pay - pay for their jingoism.
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Thanks!TheScreamingEagles said:
So long as it says only Vote Tory = National spendingTudorRose said:
Technical question; would spending on a generic 'vote X' advert today count towards general election or local election expenditure?TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/859832412959903745
If it says votes [candidate's name] = Local spending.0 -
Arf - Mansfield & "liberal" in the same paragraph is amusingPhilip_Thompson said:
It's not just been Labour since 1923, since the seat was created in 1885 it has never gone Conservative. Before it was Labour it was Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/859832412959903745
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On paper it looks well within reach for the Tories: last time 28.2% Con, 25.1% UKIP, against Labour's 39.4%. However, the Kipper is standing again, which might be a problem.MarqueeMark said:Interesting report on C4 News by Crick from Mansfield. Locals dominated by Labour and Corbyn - and how badly he is regarded in this solid Labour town.
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Duncan Robinson (@duncanrobinson)
"Brexit will never become a success." says Martin Selmayr, chef de cabinet of Jean-Claude Juncker. "It is a sad and sorry event."
Sad and sorry for him and his boss it should indeed be.0 -
I am struggling to see any evidence of the EU interfering in the UK election.CarlottaVance said:
I have not heard Juncker deny the remarks attributed to him either. Or do you approve of the EU interfering in member's domestic politics?SouthamObserver said:
I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.eek said:
That downside became fact with the leak from Juncker yesterday....SouthamObserver said:
The downside is that it makes it politically harder for EU leaders to offer up the concessions they will need to make in order for there to be a Brexit deal that works for the UK.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
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The Tories only failed here by 56 votes in 1987.Philip_Thompson said:
It's not just been Labour since 1923, since the seat was created in 1885 it has never gone Conservative. Before it was Labour it was Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/8598324129599037450 -
Hamlet without the Prince.MikeL said:ITV has confirmed Leaders Debate for Thurs 18 May.
Seven parties invited - as per 2015 ITV debate.
Debate goes ahead whether or not May and / or Corbyn attend.
May has already said No, Corbyn has said No if May not there.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/itv-uk-general-election-debate-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-empty-chair
Does equal reporting require that May would have her own one-on-one interview as well?0 -
He is an MEP. He is not a national leader.felix said:
Verhofstad only the other day was being pretty unpleasant . I have no link but I recall it.SouthamObserver said:
I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.eek said:
That downside became fact with the leak from Juncker yesterday....SouthamObserver said:
The downside is that it makes it politically harder for EU leaders to offer up the concessions they will need to make in order for there to be a Brexit deal that works for the UK.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
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The short campaign spending period for the GE starts today or when your candidate declares or is nominated, if later. I expect the Mansfield candidate has yet to do either.TudorRose said:
Technical question; would spending on a generic 'vote X' advert today count towards general election or local election expenditure?TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/8598324129599037450 -
World's biggest bank: "We have to plan for a scenario where there is no U.K.-EU passporting deal". Understandably.
JPMorgan to Move Hundreds of Staff to Three EU Offices on Brexit
http://tinyurl.com/NeedThisFeckingPassporting0 -
Sounds like she's going to be over the limit in Maidenhead as her name is everywhere.TheScreamingEagles said:
So long as it says only Vote Tory = National spendingTudorRose said:
Technical question; would spending on a generic 'vote X' advert today count towards general election or local election expenditure?TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/859832412959903745
If it says vote [candidate's name] = Local spending.0 -
One of those curious seats which are not blessed with massive majorities and so not technically 'safe', but which have solidly remained with one party over such a long period that they seem like they should be safe, I suppose. Like Copeland.justin124 said:
The Tories only failed here by 56 votes in 1987.Philip_Thompson said:
It's not just been Labour since 1923, since the seat was created in 1885 it has never gone Conservative. Before it was Labour it was Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
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Indeed. Nowadays one free Christmas tree per year flows in the opposite direction.MonikerDiCanio said:
Did.kle4 said:
Surely the existence of the danegeld is proof we do pay danegeld?MonikerDiCanio said:
We never pay anyone Dane-geld,AlastairMeeks said:When they've shouted Rule Britannia, when they've sung God Save The Queen and when they've finished killing Juncker with their mouths, the Leavers are going to ensure that all of us are going to pay - pay - pay for their jingoism.
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Only counts in that constituency!ThreeQuidder said:
Sounds like she's going to be over the limit in Maidenhead as her name is everywhere.TheScreamingEagles said:
So long as it says only Vote Tory = National spendingTudorRose said:
Technical question; would spending on a generic 'vote X' advert today count towards general election or local election expenditure?TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/859832412959903745
If it says vote [candidate's name] = Local spending.0 -
More importantly Corbyn has to have equal time too.MarqueeMark said:
Hamlet without the Prince.MikeL said:ITV has confirmed Leaders Debate for Thurs 18 May.
Seven parties invited - as per 2015 ITV debate.
Debate goes ahead whether or not May and / or Corbyn attend.
May has already said No, Corbyn has said No if May not there.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/itv-uk-general-election-debate-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-empty-chair
Does equal reporting require that May would have her own one-on-one interview as well?0 -
No, so long as you've made a reasonable offer with a reasonable time frame and party x declines it, then no.MarqueeMark said:
Hamlet without the Prince.MikeL said:ITV has confirmed Leaders Debate for Thurs 18 May.
Seven parties invited - as per 2015 ITV debate.
Debate goes ahead whether or not May and / or Corbyn attend.
May has already said No, Corbyn has said No if May not there.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/itv-uk-general-election-debate-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-empty-chair
Does equal reporting require that May would have her own one-on-one interview as well?0 -
Excellent news.MikeL said:ITV has confirmed Leaders Debate for Thurs 18 May.
Seven parties invited - as per 2015 ITV debate.
Debate goes ahead whether or not May and / or Corbyn attend.
May has already said No, Corbyn has said No if May not there.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/itv-uk-general-election-debate-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-empty-chair
Tezza and Jezza empty chaired ....
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The debate between Macron and Le Pen is this evening with the election this weekend. May's full frontal attack on Brussels will surely give ammunition to Le Pen.SouthamObserver said:
I am struggling to see any evidence of the EU interfering in the UK election.CarlottaVance said:
I have not heard Juncker deny the remarks attributed to him either. Or do you approve of the EU interfering in member's domestic politics?SouthamObserver said:
I have not heard any national leader among the EU27 use the confrontational language May did today.eek said:
That downside became fact with the leak from Juncker yesterday....SouthamObserver said:
The downside is that it makes it politically harder for EU leaders to offer up the concessions they will need to make in order for there to be a Brexit deal that works for the UK.Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.0 -
I received a survey from the Tories the other day. Some good and mildly leading questions on it.IanB2 said:
The short campaign spending period for the GE starts today or when your candidate declares or is nominated, if later. I expect the Mansfield candidate has yet to do either.TudorRose said:
Technical question; would spending on a generic 'vote X' advert today count towards general election or local election expenditure?TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/8598324129599037450 -
What real leaders do:
https://twitter.com/lucian_kim/status/8593968252200837120 -
So, this is effectively a 'free hit' not counting for either the GE or the locals? It seems to me that there is scope for a bit of confusion on this, not least because the expenses issues from the 2015 election have still not been conclusively resolved.IanB2 said:
The short campaign spending period for the GE starts today or when your candidate declares or is nominated, if later. I expect the Mansfield candidate has yet to do either.TudorRose said:
Technical question; would spending on a generic 'vote X' advert today count towards general election or local election expenditure?TheScreamingEagles said:@jimwaterson: Tories buying big adverts in bloody Mansfield, which has been Labour since 1923. Not one mention of "Conservatives".
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Could that mean that Dave was right (again) about shanty towns i deepest Kent?FF43 said:
I don't think tearing up the Calais agreement is a threat. The French are totally serious about passing the problem into us.Baskerville said:
Such as Macron threatening to tear up the Calais agreement, or Merkel claiming the UK has 'illusions', you mean?foxinsoxuk said:
A little bit of Jingoism never did anyone any harm, or did it?Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
I expect PB Leavers to be just as sympathetic to bellicose posturing during the French assembly elections, the German elections and the Spring '18 Italian elections.
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Expect lawyers to argue it was not reasonable....TheScreamingEagles said:
No, so long as you've made a reasonable offer with a reasonable time frame and party x declines it, then no.MarqueeMark said:
Hamlet without the Prince.MikeL said:ITV has confirmed Leaders Debate for Thurs 18 May.
Seven parties invited - as per 2015 ITV debate.
Debate goes ahead whether or not May and / or Corbyn attend.
May has already said No, Corbyn has said No if May not there.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/itv-uk-general-election-debate-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-empty-chair
Does equal reporting require that May would have her own one-on-one interview as well?0 -
No.MarqueeMark said:
Hamlet without the Prince.MikeL said:ITV has confirmed Leaders Debate for Thurs 18 May.
Seven parties invited - as per 2015 ITV debate.
Debate goes ahead whether or not May and / or Corbyn attend.
May has already said No, Corbyn has said No if May not there.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/itv-uk-general-election-debate-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-empty-chair
Does equal reporting require that May would have her own one-on-one interview as well?
Her choice not to go.0
