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Past 25% majorities?Pulpstar said:
They'll be losing seats past that lot.AndyJS said:Local elections — Labour defence list:
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@PickardJE: 1st EveningStandard editorial from Osborne: "The country should prepare for more tough days ahead as reality bites." http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-a-paper-committed-to-freedom-and-optimism-a3528416.html0
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Good fetes require that. Having been to hundreds most are not good.midwinter said:
Pretty sure fetes require strong, stable management. Can't imagine Jezza and Diane doing too well. They'd overspend on the cream teas and have to loot the tombola.Scrapheap_as_was said:
that post comes over as dangerously close to "Best leave the proper jobs to men".tyson said:
She popped up in Ormskirk yesterday I think. My brother saw her in the flesh, and like any other person, was massively underwhelmed and he's a diehard Tory.TheScreamingEagles said:Macavity May hid during the referendum, she's finding it hard to hide as PM during a GE campaign.
I think she'd probably make a very good manager of a tea shop in York...but she has seriously overreached. There is a small part of me that feels sorry for her.
The likes of Theresa May and Angela Leadsome.....the epitome of parochial, little minded, Tory women. They'd be best left to arrange fetes and that is it.0 -
She wasn't even in the studio. She was on the phone, so a) why no crib sheet and b) what were her staff doing while she was floundering?Beverley_C said:
Surely it is more about getting briefed properly and knowing what you are going to say before you walk into the studio. When I am doing presentations I usually have an A4 sheet with the key facts in 20 pt text. I set it on the table and glance at it if I need to.Barnesian said:
She may not be able to remember or handle numbers. Many intelligent people have this disability. Of course, as punters, all of us can handle numbers so we are probably not sympathetic to number dyslexics.0 -
Same single source, yet again. She must have proper press with her, surely? Jezza seems to.Theuniondivvie said:Paper of record.
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BBC news now showing her Daily Politics interview. This is going to lead all news channels all day.
Why didn't Yvette Cooper promote the policy - maybe she has more sense0 -
I would have thought that being able to count is a job requirement for something like Home Secretary. I know Labour have low standards but there has to be some limit.Barnesian said:She may not be able to remember or handle numbers. Many intelligent people have this disability. Of course, as punters, all of us can handle numbers so we are probably not sympathetic to number dyslexics.
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When Diane Abbott gets a favourable review compared to the PM...
@PolhomeEditor: At least Diane Abbott is fronting up today and taking loads of media questions. Unlike the PM, it would seem ... http://www.cornwalllive.com/prime-minister-theresa-may-visits-cornwall-ahead-of-general-election/story-30306323-detail/story.html0 -
Interesting site although that particular forecast is nearly two weeks old.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Project More Fear ?Scott_P said:@PickardJE: 1st EveningStandard editorial from Osborne: "The country should prepare for more tough days ahead as reality bites." http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-a-paper-committed-to-freedom-and-optimism-a3528416.html
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Damned decent of them to simplify things for the tactical Yoons.calum said:SLAB have chosen a "Corbynista" to fight DCT - SCON are having a field day !!
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George's career in politics is over.TGOHF said:
Gives credence to the rumours that if he does come back to politics it will be with the rebranded LDs - burning his Tory party bridges fast.Scott_P said:@ChristianJMay: Editorial in Osborne's first @standardnews - May's "election campaign amounts to no more than a slogan."
If Brexit is a success then it really is all over for him in politics.
If Brexit is a disaster, he's saved this country from economic ruin once, he won't fancy doing it twice.0 -
That is possible - and would naturally render her unable sensibly to discuss budgetary matters. One can be sympathetic, without thinking her in any way qualified to run a major spending department.Barnesian said:
She may not be able to remember or handle numbers. Many intelligent people have this disability. Of course, as punters, all of us can handle numbers so we are probably not sympathetic to number dyslexics.david_herdson said:
I did wonder that about Abbott - yet she read history at Cambridge so presumably she does have (or did have) some latent intelligence in her head.SeanT said:
Yes, even if you've no idea, and you're making it up on the spot, anyone with an IQ over 90 should be able to make it up better than THAT.Nigelb said:
Most striking is her clear innumeracy.SeanT said:
She first said that 10,000 cops would cost £300,000, when this was pointed out as being absurd, she said they would cost £80 million; when Ferrari pointed out that this meant the cops would be on £8000 a year, she then said they were going to recruit 25,000 officers, not 10,000.Pulpstar said:I don't have sound here, but how did the Abbot botch an interview regarding 10k more police ?
Sounds reasonable enough as a policy, if a bit expensive.
When again she was pressed on the fact these 10,000 new officers - or 25,000 new officers -
were only going to be paid £8000 a year at most, on her figures, she suggested that Labour intended to recruit 250,000 new officers.
When this new figure was questioned, a quarter of a million new policemen and women, she said in actual fact Labour intended to recruit 2000 new officers, and also 250, making 2250.
When asked why she'd said they intended to recruit 250,000 new officers, she then claimed that she'd never said this, despite just saying it on live radio.
At this point the interview concluded, with a painful rustling of papers, as Abbott was audibly handed the "right" figures.
But you have to listen to it, to get the full majesty of excruciating pauses and evasions. It is superb.
I don't expect politicians to be fantastic at maths, but the inability to comprehend even orders of magnitude is surely disqualificatory for senior executive positions ?
I wonder if she is just actively dim. Like Corbyn. And she is the proposed new Home Secretary, in charge of peace and justice throughout the realm. Meanwhile John McDonnell, our proposed Chancellor, who will hold the keys to the coffers of the kingdom, gives speeches under the hammer and sickle.
It's hard to believe it's happening. It's like Labour are throwing animal droppings in our faces, and expecting us to applaud.0 -
Of course you do, that's what any sensible person would do when going on-air to talk about something directly related to their job.Beverley_C said:Surely it is more about getting briefed properly and knowing what you are going to say before you walk into the studio. When I am doing presentations I usually have an A4 sheet with the key facts in 20 pt text. I set it on the table and glance at it if I need to.
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J'habite Dartmoor. I don't regularly see the WMN these days, had no idea how bad things were there.Bufton_Tufton said:
'Cornwall Live' (and 'Devon Live') is the website of the 'Western Morning News' - the regional daily paper. So, yes, they are 'real' journalists - unwise to 'p*ss' them off I would have thought. The editorial two weeks ago suggested the Conservatives were taking the region for granted again - this rather proves the point.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, my guess is you don't assiduously read cornwalllive.com every day of the week, and that you are passing on a link which someone has spammed you with without checking its credibility. The story is now on the BBC but yet again it is sourced from, and only from, cornwalllive.williamglenn said:
Please elaborate on your theory.Ishmael_Z said:
And another. Do you ever get the feeling you are being spoon-fed?williamglenn said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-39758977
Also see that link for D. Abbot digging in a hole.0 -
She isn't shadow home secretary.Big_G_NorthWales said:BBC news now showing her Daily Politics interview. This is going to lead all news channels all day.
Why didn't Yvette Cooper promote the policy - maybe she has more sense0 -
It's dated May 1st.....AndyJS said:
Interesting site although that particular forecast is nearly two weeks old.CarlottaVance said:0 -
On Daily Politics did they pick up Abbott on the fact that the £300 million figure is also wrong?0
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On the graph it says "April 19th, 2007".CarlottaVance said:
It's dated May 1st.....AndyJS said:
Interesting site although that particular forecast is nearly two weeks old.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Oh dear. I quite like Diane Abbott, but she lacks the essential politician's skill of bluffing when she doesn't know what she's talking about. Theresa May, by contrast, is an expert at it (she would've covered up her lack of knowledge of exact figures with some spiel along the lines of "it will be paid for by the strong and stable economy provided by my strong and stable leadership" without taking any guilty-sounding pauses).0
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That's what I can't quite understand. You're not going to get Tessy saying anything very interesting, but you'd think the main players would be along to pick up on stuff like this e.g. Sky in Banchory on Saturday.Ishmael_Z said:
Same single source, yet again. She must have proper press with her, surely? Jezza seems to.Theuniondivvie said:Paper of record.
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That's the key. I have great respect for many politicians who can recall precise details of a great many things or cobble a reasonable answer together when surprised, but that policy us surely what she was on to talk about, and she clearly had no idea and even if she struggles with numbers they could have written in down for her. Inexplicable.glw said:
Of course you do, that's what any sensible person would do when going on-air to talk about something directly related to their job.Beverley_C said:Surely it is more about getting briefed properly and knowing what you are going to say before you walk into the studio. When I am doing presentations I usually have an A4 sheet with the key facts in 20 pt text. I set it on the table and glance at it if I need to.
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Cornwall is a long way to go to be locked in a room.Ishmael_Z said:
Same single source, yet again. She must have proper press with her, surely? Jezza seems to.Theuniondivvie said:Paper of record.
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OK, I now see that my "single source" point is impossibly over-complicated, and I'd like to apologise for making it.Scott_P said:When Diane Abbott gets a favourable review compared to the PM...
@PolhomeEditor: At least Diane Abbott is fronting up today and taking loads of media questions. Unlike the PM, it would seem ... http://www.cornwalllive.com/prime-minister-theresa-may-visits-cornwall-ahead-of-general-election/story-30306323-detail/story.html0 -
Yes it's not like Abbott's been ambushed about some policy issue unrelated to her role. She's doing these interviews because she is meant to be announcing and explaining the proposals related to her area of responsibility.TGOHF said:
She isn't shadow home secretary.Big_G_NorthWales said:BBC news now showing her Daily Politics interview. This is going to lead all news channels all day.
Why didn't Yvette Cooper promote the policy - maybe she has more sense0 -
In which case, EU citizens resident here are facing a major loss of their current rights. Unlike Americans, Canadians and Australians currently living in the UK.SeanT said:
They'll have all their EU rights when they are in the rest of the EU, of course. If they decide to move out of the UK for a considerable time, then they will face the same bureaucratic challenges as, say, Americans, Canadians or Australians who are permanently settled in the UK, and I don't see these people weeping in the street.SouthamObserver said:
Precisely.Fenman said:
But there needs to be considerable clarification. If they go back to their country of origin, say for family reasons, for how long are they entitled to come back? What happens to their health care? Tribunals? The lawyers must be rubbing their hands together!SeanT said:
Scott seems to be labouring under the illusion that the UK government is going to go round the houses of Ealing, ripping away EU passports from weeping Dutchwomen, forcing them to stay in the UK forever.Richard_Tyndall said:
The expectation, which I think is entirely probable, is that those already settled here will continue to have free movement - unless of course you are expecting the EU to say they are not allowed to go home once in a while. I mean I know the EU are making a lot of threats but even they wouldn't go that far would they?Scott_P said:
But that is also nonsense.Richard_Tyndall said:Misquoting again Scott. I was referring to the views of the EU nationals on their prospects in the UK, not Brexit overall.
Right now they have free movement, and in future they won't.
Not even you can describe that as "no change", surely?
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As one would expect, that's a very good piece from the new editor, and the PM would be well advised to heed what he says in the last paragraph.Scott_P said:@PickardJE: 1st EveningStandard editorial from Osborne: "The country should prepare for more tough days ahead as reality bites." http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-a-paper-committed-to-freedom-and-optimism-a3528416.html
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One graph is pre-announcement, one is post.AndyJS said:
On the graph it says "April 19th, 2007".CarlottaVance said:
It's dated May 1st.....AndyJS said:
Interesting site although that particular forecast is nearly two weeks old.CarlottaVance said:0 -
If Brexit is a disaster I doubt it will be the Tories entrusted to save the day so he'll need an alternative vehicle.TheScreamingEagles said:
George's career in politics is over.TGOHF said:
Gives credence to the rumours that if he does come back to politics it will be with the rebranded LDs - burning his Tory party bridges fast.Scott_P said:@ChristianJMay: Editorial in Osborne's first @standardnews - May's "election campaign amounts to no more than a slogan."
If Brexit is a success then it really is all over for him in politics.
If Brexit is a disaster, he's saved this country from economic ruin once, he won't fancy doing it twice.0 -
Thanks.SeanT said:
Scroll down. Second half. May 1st.AndyJS said:
On the graph it says "April 19th, 2007".CarlottaVance said:
It's dated May 1st.....AndyJS said:
Interesting site although that particular forecast is nearly two weeks old.CarlottaVance said:0 -
No doubt Cooper is in her constituency, trying to save her job from the catastrophe that Jezza's cultist have plunged her party into.TGOHF said:
She isn't shadow home secretary.Big_G_NorthWales said:BBC news now showing her Daily Politics interview. This is going to lead all news channels all day.
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But nothing from the factory behind the iron curtain.SeanT said:
The BBC are there. Duh. Laura Kantspellhersurname is there.Theuniondivvie said:
That's what I can't quite understand. You're not going to get Tessy saying anything very interesting, but you'd think the main players would be along to pick up on stuff like this e.g. Sky in Banchory on Saturday.Ishmael_Z said:
Same single source, yet again. She must have proper press with her, surely? Jezza seems to.Theuniondivvie said:Paper of record.
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And if every day for the next 6 weeks features photos like that of her thoroughly at ease with genuine voters the "Macavity" point is going to start looking a bit silly.SeanT said:
She does, and she's meeting votersIshmael_Z said:
Same single source, yet again. She must have proper press with her, surely? Jezza seems to.Theuniondivvie said:Paper of record.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/859363204652302336
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/8593677756006031390 -
They're not remembering per se. It's a mixture of bluff, avoiding figures and getting the topic on something they do know inside and out.kle4 said:
That's the key. I have great respect for many politicians who can recall precise details of a great many things or cobble a reasonable answer together when surprised, but that policy us surely what she was on to talk about, and she clearly had no idea and even if she struggles with numbers they could have written in down for her. Inexplicable.glw said:
Of course you do, that's what any sensible person would do when going on-air to talk about something directly related to their job.Beverley_C said:Surely it is more about getting briefed properly and knowing what you are going to say before you walk into the studio. When I am doing presentations I usually have an A4 sheet with the key facts in 20 pt text. I set it on the table and glance at it if I need to.
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If multiple journalists who are paid by the same organisation are saying the same thing, is it still a single source?Ishmael_Z said:
OK, I now see that my "single source" point is impossibly over-complicated, and I'd like to apologise for making it.Scott_P said:When Diane Abbott gets a favourable review compared to the PM...
@PolhomeEditor: At least Diane Abbott is fronting up today and taking loads of media questions. Unlike the PM, it would seem ... http://www.cornwalllive.com/prime-minister-theresa-may-visits-cornwall-ahead-of-general-election/story-30306323-detail/story.html
I think the accusation you're searching for is in fact bias.0 -
Why doesn't she know what she is talking about? She was talking about a core Home Office issue: police.Danny565 said:Oh dear. I quite like Diane Abbott, but she lacks the essential politician's skill of bluffing when she doesn't know what she's talking about. Theresa May, by contrast, is an expert at it (she would've covered up her lack of knowledge of exact figures with some spiel along the lines of "it will be paid for by the strong and stable economy provided by my strong and stable leadership" without taking any guilty-sounding pauses).
She doesn't know anything about it, because she doesn't take her role as an Opposition spokesperson seriously and doesn't care about anything but playing games within the Labour party over when Jezza is leaving.
As more than one PBer has asked: why the hell are the public paying Short money for this shower?0 -
Is there any reason why UK/EU citizens can't enjoy dual citizenship after 5 years residence in one or the other as an expat/migrant?
Or is that far too simple?0 -
Given that turned into a comedy show - maybee wanting to avoid any repetition?Theuniondivvie said:
That's what I can't quite understand. You're not going to get Tessy saying anything very interesting, but you'd think the main players would be along to pick up on stuff like this e.g. Sky in Banchory on Saturday.Ishmael_Z said:
Same single source, yet again. She must have proper press with her, surely? Jezza seems to.Theuniondivvie said:Paper of record.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/8593632046523023360 -
@BBCVickiYoung: Theresa May has been meeting fishermen in Cornwall and walking around beautiful Mevagissey #GE2017 https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/859374041488138241/video/10
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Kate McCannVerified account @KateEMcCann 2m2 minutes ago
John Woodcock tells @daily_politics Labour won't win election.
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I'm no shill for May, but on the "meeting ordinary voters" - do you not think there is perhaps just the slightest security concern here ?
I'm sure she will meet some but for obvious reasons she's not going to be able to do spontaneous canvassing in every Labour marginal.0 -
'locked in a room'Scott_P said:@BBCVickiYoung: Theresa May has been meeting fishermen in Cornwall and walking around beautiful Mevagissey #GE2017 https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/859374041488138241/video/1
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@faisalislam: In Plymouth... first voxpops - a couple from neighbouring constituency, both Ukip, both now voting Conservative... https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/859374594091880448/photo/10
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The Europhiles on here are like the people who say Christmas should be banned or renamed because it offends other religions. Meanwhile the actual members of those other religions are busy getting on with their lives and enjoying sending Christmas cards to their Christian friends.SouthamObserver said:
In which case, EU citizens resident here are facing a major loss of their current rights. Unlike Americans, Canadians and Australians currently living in the UK.SeanT said:
They'll have all their EU rights when they are in the rest of the EU, of course. If they decide to move out of the UK for a considerable time, then they will face the same bureaucratic challenges as, say, Americans, Canadians or Australians who are permanently settled in the UK, and I don't see these people weeping in the street.SouthamObserver said:
Precisely.Fenman said:
But there needs to be considerable clarification. If they go back to their country of origin, say for family reasons, for how long are they entitled to come back? What happens to their health care? Tribunals? The lawyers must be rubbing their hands together!SeanT said:
Scott seems to be labouring under the illusion that the UK government is going to go round the houses of Ealing, ripping away EU passports from weeping Dutchwomen, forcing them to stay in the UK forever.Richard_Tyndall said:
The expectation, which I think is entirely probable, is that those already settled here will continue to have free movement - unless of course you are expecting the EU to say they are not allowed to go home once in a while. I mean I know the EU are making a lot of threats but even they wouldn't go that far would they?Scott_P said:
But that is also nonsense.Richard_Tyndall said:Misquoting again Scott. I was referring to the views of the EU nationals on their prospects in the UK, not Brexit overall.
Right now they have free movement, and in future they won't.
Not even you can describe that as "no change", surely?
You have to find some reason to protest something you don't like even if the people you claim to be speaking for don't have a clue what you are going on about and frankly don't care.
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Jesus H Christ, her minder's wearing tan shoes with a blue suit..Scott_P said:@BBCVickiYoung: Theresa May has been meeting fishermen in Cornwall and walking around beautiful Mevagissey #GE2017 https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/859374041488138241/video/1
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and Labour List has the full Scottish slate:rottenborough said:For those PBers wondering about Broxtowe and Nick P:
http://www.gregmarshall4broxtowe.org.uk/
http://labourlist.org/2017/05/the-full-list-of-the-labour-partys-general-election-candidates-in-scotland/0 -
BBC Daily Politics—many Lab MPs privately say they want May as PM rather than Corbyn.0
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I did say 'or cobble a reasonable answer together'. Sometimes they won't know, but they are skilled enough to handle that.BannedInParis said:
They're not remembering per se. It's a mixture of bluff, avoiding figures and getting the topic on something they do know inside and out.kle4 said:
That's the key. I have great respect for many politicians who can recall precise details of a great many things or cobble a reasonable answer together when surprised, but that policy us surely what she was on to talk about, and she clearly had no idea and even if she struggles with numbers they could have written in down for her. Inexplicable.glw said:
Of course you do, that's what any sensible person would do when going on-air to talk about something directly related to their job.Beverley_C said:Surely it is more about getting briefed properly and knowing what you are going to say before you walk into the studio. When I am doing presentations I usually have an A4 sheet with the key facts in 20 pt text. I set it on the table and glance at it if I need to.
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Mentions of Corbo = 0rottenborough said:For those PBers wondering about Broxtowe and Nick P:
http://www.gregmarshall4broxtowe.org.uk/
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Yeah, part of me is actually a bit surprised in this day and age that leaders even get as close to "normal people" as they do.Pulpstar said:I'm no shill for May, but on the "meeting ordinary voters" - do you not think there is perhaps just the slightest security concern here ?
I'm sure she will meet some but for obvious reasons she's not going to be able to do spontaneous canvassing in every Labour marginal.
In America, were Clinton or Trump let near anyone who hadn't been screened by security already?0 -
Yeah, I was just adding a wee bit of colour to it. It can be quite fun watching some of the better ones and seeing how they handle it. Look for getting the answer to be rephrased to give them 20+ more seconds to think.kle4 said:
I did say 'or cobble a reasonable answer together'. Sometimes they won't know, but they are skilled enough to handle that.BannedInParis said:
They're not remembering per se. It's a mixture of bluff, avoiding figures and getting the topic on something they do know inside and out.kle4 said:
That's the key. I have great respect for many politicians who can recall precise details of a great many things or cobble a reasonable answer together when surprised, but that policy us surely what she was on to talk about, and she clearly had no idea and even if she struggles with numbers they could have written in down for her. Inexplicable.glw said:
Of course you do, that's what any sensible person would do when going on-air to talk about something directly related to their job.Beverley_C said:Surely it is more about getting briefed properly and knowing what you are going to say before you walk into the studio. When I am doing presentations I usually have an A4 sheet with the key facts in 20 pt text. I set it on the table and glance at it if I need to.
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Yes - and therefore all sides who DID sign should abide by it.Icarus said:
We signed the treaty.Disraeli said:
Yes - it IS 'unreasonable' of the EU not to aim to have everything done and dusted by 2019.williamglenn said:
Do you expect/accept a transition agreement which would be governed by the current arrangements during which time the long term future agreement will be negotiated or do you think it's 'unreasonable' of the EU not to aim to have everything done and dusted by 2019?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, as I've said (although not for a little while) excepting the customs union, which we must leave, I'm open to a pretty wide spectrum of deals. I wouldn't mind if freedom of movement were replaced by freedom to work (ie guaranteed job offer).
The only new thing I've heard which is unacceptable is the possibility of having EU citizens here governed by EU rather than UK law.
The EU were the ones who put the two year deadline into theConstitutionLisbon Treaty - not us.
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I think like many leaders she is wary both security wise and of potential Duffy moments, but we need more to feed this meme than at present.Pulpstar said:I'm no shill for May, but on the "meeting ordinary voters" - do you not think there is perhaps just the slightest security concern here ?
I'm sure she will meet some but for obvious reasons she's not going to be able to do spontaneous canvassing in every Labour marginal.0 -
Seeing as a week and a bit ago the UK security services tipped off their French colleagues about a planned attack on French Presidential candidates I think we can say that there a major security concerns right now.Pulpstar said:I'm no shill for May, but on the "meeting ordinary voters" - do you not think there is perhaps just the slightest security concern here ?
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Every time I see May on TV walking around the streets there doesn't seem to be any security, although they must be in the background. But she's the first PM I've seen for a long time that doesn't have security people very close at hand all the time when in public.Pulpstar said:I'm no shill for May, but on the "meeting ordinary voters" - do you not think there is perhaps just the slightest security concern here ?
I'm sure she will meet some but for obvious reasons she's not going to be able to do spontaneous canvassing in every Labour marginal.0 -
And thats the best defence against Jeremy Corbyn complainers on the doorstep.rottenborough said:Kate McCannVerified account @KateEMcCann 2m2 minutes ago
John Woodcock tells @daily_politics Labour won't win election.
I hope to God he is right.
You don't need to worry about Jeremy. He won't be Prime Minister.0 -
Abbott car crash has really gazumped the old "how much does a pint of milk cost" question that has tripped up politicians in the past.
How much does a policeman cost?0 -
She isn't a wet behind the ears innocent who just hasn't learned to lie yet, she is a useless, hypocritical waste of space, and we are paying her wages.Danny565 said:Oh dear. I quite like Diane Abbott, but she lacks the essential politician's skill of bluffing when she doesn't know what she's talking about. Theresa May, by contrast, is an expert at it (she would've covered up her lack of knowledge of exact figures with some spiel along the lines of "it will be paid for by the strong and stable economy provided by my strong and stable leadership" without taking any guilty-sounding pauses).
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I'll help Labour out here :
Their plan is to introduce 2,500 police officer a year at a cost of ~ £32,000 per police officer (With £80 million extra ratcheting spend per year) yielding 10,000 officers at an ongoing cost of £320 million additional spending per year at the end of the parliament.0 -
Interestingly he says neither the referendum nor a GE will give her a mandate ?Richard_Nabavi said:
As one would expect, that's a very good piece from the new editor, and the PM would be well advised to heed what he says in the last paragraph.Scott_P said:@PickardJE: 1st EveningStandard editorial from Osborne: "The country should prepare for more tough days ahead as reality bites." http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-a-paper-committed-to-freedom-and-optimism-a3528416.html
Sounds like GO is in favour of another referendum - how very LD/Blair..0 -
She may, and if she does then she has my sympathy. However, I'd question whether such an individual should ever be appointed to a key front-bench role.Barnesian said:
She may not be able to remember or handle numbers. Many intelligent people have this disability. Of course, as punters, all of us can handle numbers so we are probably not sympathetic to number dyslexics.david_herdson said:
I did wonder that about Abbott - yet she read history at Cambridge so presumably she does have (or did have) some latent intelligence in her head.SeanT said:
Yes, even if you've no idea, and you're making it up on the spot, anyone with an IQ over 90 should be able to make it up better than THAT.Nigelb said:
Most striking is her clear innumeracy.SeanT said:
She first said that 10,000 cops would cost £300,000, when this was pointed out as being absurd, she said they would cost £80 million; when Ferrari pointed out that this meant the cops would be on £8000 a year, she then said they were going to recruit 25,000 officers, not 10,000.Pulpstar said:I don't have sound here, but how did the Abbot botch an interview regarding 10k more police ?
Sounds reasonable enough as a policy, if a bit expensive.
When again she was pressed on the fact these 10,000 new officers - or 25,000 new officers -
were only going to be paid £8000 a year at most, on her figures, she suggested that Labour intended to recruit 250,000 new officers.
When this new figure was questioned, a quarter of a million new policemen and women, she said in actual fact Labour intended to recruit 2000 new officers, and also 250, making 2250.
When asked why she'd said they intended to recruit 250,000 new officers, she then claimed that she'd never said this, despite just saying it on live radio.
At this point the interview concluded, with a painful rustling of papers, as Abbott was audibly handed the "right" figures.
But you have to listen to it, to get the full majesty of excruciating pauses and evasions. It is superb.
I don't expect politicians to be fantastic at maths, but the inability to comprehend even orders of magnitude is surely disqualificatory for senior executive positions ?
I wonder if she is just actively dim. Like Corbyn. And she is the proposed new Home Secretary, in charge of peace and justice throughout the realm. Meanwhile John McDonnell, our proposed Chancellor, who will hold the keys to the coffers of the kingdom, gives speeches under the hammer and sickle.
It's hard to believe it's happening. It's like Labour are throwing animal droppings in our faces, and expecting us to applaud.0 -
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Yes and no. I'm sure there needs to be some care taken, but it's not like people tool up on the off-chance that a senior politician will knock on their door.Pulpstar said:I'm no shill for May, but on the "meeting ordinary voters" - do you not think there is perhaps just the slightest security concern here ?
I'm sure she will meet some but for obvious reasons she's not going to be able to do spontaneous canvassing in every Labour marginal.
Additionally, May is somewhat hoist by her own petard here. She did specifically say she wasn't getting involved in televised debates because she wanted to meet ordinary voters one-to-one. That was obvious nonsense, but she can hardly mumble something about security concerns if people say, "where are these ordinary voters, then?"0 -
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Of course they do. If Labour's polling is bad now, just think what it'd be like with Corbyn as PM.AndyJS said:BBC Daily Politics—many Lab MPs privately say they want May as PM rather than Corbyn.
On the other hand, I get the sense that they feel that May is a relatively easy target with the right Labour leader (though they thought that about the posh boy too).0 -
@MrHarryCole: Diane Abbott cock up leads the BBC 1 o'clock bulletins.0
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I don't know what your exact financial situation is, but there are some nice properties around Tickhill for very reasonable money.Tissue_Price said:Very exciting news!
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Yep - I am against taking away rights from people who have chosen to make the UK their home and have contributed so much to it. If you are not, so be it.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Europhiles on here are like the people who say Christmas should be banned or renamed because it offends other religions. Meanwhile the actual members of those other religions are busy getting on with their lives and enjoying sending Christmas cards to their Christian friends.SouthamObserver said:
In which case, EU citizens resident here are facing a major loss of their current rights. Unlike Americans, Canadians and Australians currently living in the UK.SeanT said:
They'll have all their EU rights when they are in the rest of the EU, of course. If they decide to move out of the UK for a considerable time, then they will face the same bureaucratic challenges as, say, Americans, Canadians or Australians who are permanently settled in the UK, and I don't see these people weeping in the street.SouthamObserver said:
Precisely.Fenman said:
But there needs to be considerable clarification. If they go back to their country of origin, say for family reasons, for how long are they entitled to come back? What happens to their health care? Tribunals? The lawyers must be rubbing their hands together!SeanT said:
Scott seems to be labouring under the illusion that the UK government is going to go round the houses of Ealing, ripping away EU passports from weeping Dutchwomen, forcing them to stay in the UK forever.Richard_Tyndall said:
The expectation, which I think is entirely probable, is that those already settled here will continue to have free movement - unless of course you are expecting the EU to say they are not allowed to go home once in a while. I mean I know the EU are making a lot of threats but even they wouldn't go that far would they?Scott_P said:
But that is also nonsense.Richard_Tyndall said:Misquoting again Scott. I was referring to the views of the EU nationals on their prospects in the UK, not Brexit overall.
Right now they have free movement, and in future they won't.
Not even you can describe that as "no change", surely?
You have to find some reason to protest something you don't like even if the people you claim to be speaking for don't have a clue what you are going on about and frankly don't care.0 -
I've read the Joshua column, it starts well, goes a bit wobbly in the middle but ends in a powerful flurry.Scott_P said:@George_Osborne: Also in @EveningStandard: new immigration poll; Abbott's car crash interview;Bloomberg on air pollution & exclusive column by Anthony Joshua
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high fiving?FrancisUrquhart said:
She wasn't even in the studio. She was on the phone, so a) why no crib sheet and b) what were her staff doing while she was floundering?Beverley_C said:
Surely it is more about getting briefed properly and knowing what you are going to say before you walk into the studio. When I am doing presentations I usually have an A4 sheet with the key facts in 20 pt text. I set it on the table and glance at it if I need to.Barnesian said:
She may not be able to remember or handle numbers. Many intelligent people have this disability. Of course, as punters, all of us can handle numbers so we are probably not sympathetic to number dyslexics.0 -
She is in her element canvassing - she has done it all her political life and the idea she is shut away suits some as a narrative but plainly that is not true as videos surface of her trip to meet the fishermen in Cornwall demonstrates. Even Faisal Islam is tweeting a vox pop with 2 UKIP supporters now voting conservativeSeanT said:
My beautiful homeland. TMay looks reasonably relaxed there, for a slightly awkward person (which she clearly is, and which, I think, elicits sympathy)Scott_P said:@BBCVickiYoung: Theresa May has been meeting fishermen in Cornwall and walking around beautiful Mevagissey #GE2017 https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/859374041488138241/video/1
You can also hear someone say Well done Theresa! Presumably a Tory stooge, but nonetheless this is not the locked-in-a-box, voter-averse Maybot of today's tedious meme.
I suspect there's a lot of goodwill towards her, personally. She's the best we've got, she's going in to bat for Britain, we want and need her to do well, even as we look on, nervously.0 -
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Yep, good luck.0
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I remember John Major and his soapbox in the 1992 general election - at a time when the IRA was active in the UK, never mind random nutters. The security risks can be overblown. Daesh sympathisers are unlikely to be able to rustle up a suicide belt within the 10 minutes or so that she might be in a town centre.Pulpstar said:I'm no shill for May, but on the "meeting ordinary voters" - do you not think there is perhaps just the slightest security concern here ?
I'm sure she will meet some but for obvious reasons she's not going to be able to do spontaneous canvassing in every Labour marginal.0 -
Good luck.. snipe those miserable PBers who doubt Mother Theresa!Tissue_Price said:Very exciting news!
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Neither the Brits nor the EU citizens have to lose their rights. It is far from a given that nearly all EU citizens will get permanent residency.SeanT said:
Likewise, Brits are going to lose the Freedom of Movement to and within the EU. But the EU citizens in the UK, who keep their EU passports, will have more freedom than the Brits. AND they will nearly all get permanent residency. Their circumstances will be slightly crimped, but it's hardly the apocalypse.SouthamObserver said:
In which case, EU citizens resident here are facing a major loss of their current rights. Unlike Americans, Canadians and Australians currently living in the UK.SeanT said:
They'll have all their EU rights when they are in the rest of the EU, of course. If they decide to move out of the UK for a considerable time, then they will face the same bureaucratic challenges as, say, Americans, Canadians or Australians who are permanently settled in the UK, and I don't see these people weeping in the street.SouthamObserver said:
Precisely.Fenman said:
But there needs to be considerable clarification. If they go back to their country of origin, say for family reasons, for how long are they entitled to come back? What happens to their health care? Tribunals? The lawyers must be rubbing their hands together!SeanT said:
Scott seems to be labouring under the illusion that the UK government is going to go round the houses of Ealing, ripping away EU passports from weeping Dutchwomen, forcing them to stay in the UK forever.Richard_Tyndall said:
The expectation, which I think is entirely probable, is that those already settled here will continue to have free movement - unless of course you are expecting the EU to say they are not allowed to go home once in a while. I mean I know the EU are making a lot of threats but even they wouldn't go that far would they?Scott_P said:
But that is also nonsense.Richard_Tyndall said:Misquoting again Scott. I was referring to the views of the EU nationals on their prospects in the UK, not Brexit overall.
Right now they have free movement, and in future they won't.
Not even you can describe that as "no change", surely?
We lived and loved and worked in each other's countries long before the EU.
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I have money on Don falling to Con.AndyJS said:
Number 101 on the Labour defence list.Tissue_Price said:Very exciting news!
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IM not Amber Rudd's biggest fan, but the contrast between her on police numbers vs Diane Abbott is just so stark...
Rudd - Polished, on her brief and able to answer questions
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Thats DCT a nailed on Con hold now.calum said:SLAB have chosen a "Corbynista" to fight DCT - SCON are having a field day !!
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So have I.rottenborough said:
I have money on Don falling to Con.AndyJS said:
Number 101 on the Labour defence list.Tissue_Price said:Very exciting news!
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Good, I have a few hundred invested in Mundell I think.Alistair said:
Thats DCT a nailed on Con hold now.calum said:SLAB have chosen a "Corbynista" to fight DCT - SCON are having a field day !!
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As a youngster I accidentally caused a security incident around Dennis Thatcher....believe me there are lot of people following them at all times and (at least then) they acted first and asked questions later...resulting in me eating dirt as I was jumped on by a whole load of suited apes that appeared from seemingly nowhere.AndyJS said:
Every time I see May on TV walking around the streets there doesn't seem to be any security, although they must be in the background. But she's the first PM I've seen for a long time that doesn't have security people very close at hand all the time when in public.Pulpstar said:I'm no shill for May, but on the "meeting ordinary voters" - do you not think there is perhaps just the slightest security concern here ?
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Is it you who are standing? If so then well done, but obviously I have to disagree with your Brexit stance.Tissue_Price said:Very exciting news!
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The Monkeyhangers are not all bad...Roger said:
I'd prefer an end to Hartlipool.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That incident was dreadful and if one outcome of this election is the end of UKIP that would be a reason to celebrateRoger said:Hearty Brexit celebrations in Hartlipool
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The odds were nuts. Still are to be honest.Pulpstar said:
Good, I have a few hundred invested in Mundell I think.Alistair said:
Thats DCT a nailed on Con hold now.calum said:SLAB have chosen a "Corbynista" to fight DCT - SCON are having a field day !!
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For reference, Don Valley last elected a Conservative in 1900 (as part of the then Doncaster constituency). It has been Labour since 1922.rottenborough said:
I have money on Don falling to Con.AndyJS said:
Number 101 on the Labour defence list.Tissue_Price said:Very exciting news!
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Guardian now leading on Osborne stabbing May in the front.0
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Indeed - he's also now anti-Independence, perhaps SLAB are working some form of reverse psychology here !!Alistair said:
Thats DCT a nailed on Con hold now.calum said:SLAB have chosen a "Corbynista" to fight DCT - SCON are having a field day !!
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OrderOrder:
"Corbyn insists he isn’t embarrassed by Diane Abbott after her clusterf**k this morning. Get your popcorn ready, she’s touring the studios again this afternoon…"0 -
Labour would be reduced to about 130 MPs if they lost every seat on the list down to Don Valley, although it's likely they'll hold "easier" places in London and university seats like Exeter, York Central, Hammersmith.rottenborough said:
I have money on Don falling to Con.AndyJS said:
Number 101 on the Labour defence list.Tissue_Price said:Very exciting news!
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Also their top on-line story. – A key policy and an Abbott cluster of monumental proportions.Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Diane Abbott cock up leads the BBC 1 o'clock bulletins.
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Indeed. I have bet quite heavily on a Labour wipeout on a scale not seen since, say the 1920s. Recent polling has made me a little nervous (how the hell are they are on 28-29%???), but holding my nerve so far.david_herdson said:
For reference, Don Valley last elected a Conservative in 1900 (as part of the then Doncaster constituency). It has been Labour since 1922.rottenborough said:
I have money on Don falling to Con.AndyJS said:
Number 101 on the Labour defence list.Tissue_Price said:Very exciting news!
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