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It always gets like this over Ed Balls dinner.SirNorfolkPassmore said:People are being quite tetchy on here today.
It is as if some people have forgotten the true meaning of Ed Balls Day. Sad.0 -
You rambling post is difficult to understand. But are you suggesting that if someone has an opinion against some of the actions of the State of Israel, they are anti-Semitic ?JeremyBeadle said:Just curious: the holocaust denial thing is one thing, but it seems to me that the (true, not the wishy-washy Blairite stuff) left is massively anti-semitic, from what I see on my Facebook (and they don't seem shy about it either - express something pro-Trump and you are blocked and defriended, but the anti-semitism is unembarrassed. Me to lefty 'er, that "Israel is a War-criminal" page you linked to is vile anti-semitism.' Lefty: 'foams at mouth': defriened.
Is anti-semitism is actually a vote loser, and for which parties? It must be hard to get elected in, say, Tower Hamlets, without sharing many opinions with Adolf.
Obviously the holocaust stuff is a bit passé, but Labour and the Lib Dems are infested with anti-semites (er, fascists?) from what I can see.
Perhaps some polling on attitudes towards Israel would be more useful?0 -
I used to think that was a bit simplistic, Mark, but the older I get the more I'm inclined to think it's true.MarkHopkins said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
I don't want to get into arguments after what happened in our family recently, but what exactly makes Le Pen a Fascist?MikeSmithson said:Just to say that French courts have ruled that it is legal to call Le Pen a fascist.
http://en.rfi.fr/france/20140410-front-nationals-le-pen-can-be-called-fascist-court-rules
Is Red Ken a Fascist?
Fascism is defined as extreme right-wing.
However, I'm not sure there's much difference between extreme left and right wing.
Am I growing senile?0 -
Wait until the wee hours of June 9th...ITMA said:
It would be more interesting if the thread writers were more honest with their readers rather than at best trolling them. It seems at first brush that they actively hate at least half of them.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Mike, you've ruined my weekend thread.
I was planning to cover this.
Leavers really are moral degenerates who were quite happy to support and campaign for such a vile and racist Leave campaign, is this polling really surprising?
I wonder what the polling would say about bears and their toilet habits ?
It would be more interesting to do a thread on how the referendum has caused the biggest political realignment since the Cavaliers and Roundheads.
I see one reader has already left for the day in disgust. Its a sound policy.
Sadly the site is heading for way beyond its worst days of the referendum.0 -
At least you'll always have their misogyny to fall back on.freetochoose said:I can see the population falling rapidly as disgusted Remainers leave a fascist state run by an ugly bitch.
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I think they are suggesting that there were anti Semitic materials on that page.surbiton said:
You rambling post is difficult to understand. But are you suggesting that if someone has an opinion against some of the actions of the State of Israel, they are anti-Semitic ?JeremyBeadle said:Just curious: the holocaust denial thing is one thing, but it seems to me that the (true, not the wishy-washy Blairite stuff) left is massively anti-semitic, from what I see on my Facebook (and they don't seem shy about it either - express something pro-Trump and you are blocked and defriended, but the anti-semitism is unembarrassed. Me to lefty 'er, that "Israel is a War-criminal" page you linked to is vile anti-semitism.' Lefty: 'foams at mouth': defriened.
Is anti-semitism is actually a vote loser, and for which parties? It must be hard to get elected in, say, Tower Hamlets, without sharing many opinions with Adolf.
Obviously the holocaust stuff is a bit passé, but Labour and the Lib Dems are infested with anti-semites (er, fascists?) from what I can see.
Perhaps some polling on attitudes towards Israel would be more useful?0 -
I think they are suggesting that there were anti Semitic materials on that page.surbiton said:
You rambling post is difficult to understand. But are you suggesting that if someone has an opinion against some of the actions of the State of Israel, they are anti-Semitic ?JeremyBeadle said:Just curious: the holocaust denial thing is one thing, but it seems to me that the (true, not the wishy-washy Blairite stuff) left is massively anti-semitic, from what I see on my Facebook (and they don't seem shy about it either - express something pro-Trump and you are blocked and defriended, but the anti-semitism is unembarrassed. Me to lefty 'er, that "Israel is a War-criminal" page you linked to is vile anti-semitism.' Lefty: 'foams at mouth': defriened.
Is anti-semitism is actually a vote loser, and for which parties? It must be hard to get elected in, say, Tower Hamlets, without sharing many opinions with Adolf.
Obviously the holocaust stuff is a bit passé, but Labour and the Lib Dems are infested with anti-semites (er, fascists?) from what I can see.
Perhaps some polling on attitudes towards Israel would be more useful?
The klaxons will be deafening.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Wait until the wee hours of June 9th...ITMA said:
It would be more interesting if the thread writers were more honest with their readers rather than at best trolling them. It seems at first brush that they actively hate at least half of them.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Mike, you've ruined my weekend thread.
I was planning to cover this.
Leavers really are moral degenerates who were quite happy to support and campaign for such a vile and racist Leave campaign, is this polling really surprising?
I wonder what the polling would say about bears and their toilet habits ?
It would be more interesting to do a thread on how the referendum has caused the biggest political realignment since the Cavaliers and Roundheads.
I see one reader has already left for the day in disgust. Its a sound policy.
Sadly the site is heading for way beyond its worst days of the referendum.0 -
Growing in wisdom, perhaps.Peter_the_Punter said:
I used to think that was a bit simplistic, Mark, but the older I get the more I'm inclined to think it's true.MarkHopkins said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
I don't want to get into arguments after what happened in our family recently, but what exactly makes Le Pen a Fascist?MikeSmithson said:Just to say that French courts have ruled that it is legal to call Le Pen a fascist.
http://en.rfi.fr/france/20140410-front-nationals-le-pen-can-be-called-fascist-court-rules
Is Red Ken a Fascist?
Fascism is defined as extreme right-wing.
However, I'm not sure there's much difference between extreme left and right wing.
Am I growing senile?0 -
It's a shame the moderation has become so light touch at the same time as I became less angry.. think of all the abuse I could have thrown!SirNorfolkPassmore said:People are being quite tetchy on here today.
It is as if some people have forgotten the true meaning of Ed Balls Day. Sad.0 -
Just make sure you don't say the words "bob" and "job" in quick succession.....or was that "job" and "bob"?....isam said:
It's a shame the moderation has become so light touch at the same time as I became less angry.. think of all the abuse I could have thrown!SirNorfolkPassmore said:People are being quite tetchy on here today.
It is as if some people have forgotten the true meaning of Ed Balls Day. Sad.
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"You rambling post is difficult to understand. But are you suggesting that if someone has an opinion against some of the actions of the State of Israel, they are anti-Semitic ?"
Most of the time.
They aren't 100% the same, but just as Leave voters correlate with Le Pen or Trump, people complaining about Israel tend to be anti-semites.
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Being disallowed from replying to someone with a dozen different screen names can be tricky... especially when asking if they are the same person is also a banning offence!RobD said:
Just make sure you don't say the words "bob" and "job" in quick succession.....or was that "job" and "bob"?....isam said:
It's a shame the moderation has become so light touch at the same time as I became less angry.. think of all the abuse I could have thrown!SirNorfolkPassmore said:People are being quite tetchy on here today.
It is as if some people have forgotten the true meaning of Ed Balls Day. Sad.0 -
No need to worry, he's on his last one apparentlyisam said:
Being disallowed from replying to someone with a dozen different screen names can be tricky... especially when asking if they are the same person is also a banning offence!RobD said:
Just make sure you don't say the words "bob" and "job" in quick succession.....or was that "job" and "bob"?....isam said:
It's a shame the moderation has become so light touch at the same time as I became less angry.. think of all the abuse I could have thrown!SirNorfolkPassmore said:People are being quite tetchy on here today.
It is as if some people have forgotten the true meaning of Ed Balls Day. Sad.
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I seem to recollect '1066 And All That' describing the Roundheads as right but boring, and the Cavaliers as wrong but fun.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've never been fond of the term Cavaliers and Roundheads.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Mike, you've ruined my weekend thread.
I was planning to cover this.
Leavers really are moral degenerates who were quite happy to support and campaign for such a vile and racist Leave campaign, is this polling really surprising?
I wonder what the polling would say about bears and their toilet habits ?
It would be more interesting to do a thread on how the referendum has caused the biggest political realignment since the Cavaliers and Roundheads.
I'm on of life's Cavaliers, but with my Republican tendencies, I'm a Roundhead.
Divine rights of Kings and Queens? You're having a laugh.
Did any history book ever improve on these definitions?0 -
We're actually at the Hampshire house right now.surbiton said:
Thank God, you live in Gibraltar. Stay there.GeoffM said:
YesAlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
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Across for my brother's 40th this weekend.
I've just made sure we're all safely on the Electoral Roll.
It'll be a safe Con hold here but it's important not to be complacent.0 -
Indeed even without getting into the whole question of the accuracy of polling, that reads to me as 57% don't know. Anyone trying to draw meaningful lessons from a 57% don't know is a bit odd.isam said:
Not as big as the group of leavers that didn't support "the fascist"AlastairMeeks said:
More than 8 out of 10 leavers who expressed a preference deciding to root for the fascist is quite a monolithic bloc.isam said:
What the referendum seems to have done is to transform people who for years had been saying that society was more nuanced than meets the eye, who avoided stereotyping of people on flimsy evidence, who protested that groups of people were not "a monolith", into the people they used to criticise!AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
If 100 leavers were asked and 99 offered no opinion, it would be crazy to take the one that did answer, either way, as more representative then the 99 who didn't. It's just so stupid it wastes everyone's time0 -
Can we have a Number 5 please?AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
5) I'd do her niece? Fascist or not.
*I've always been a shallow bastard.0 -
Haven't you received your bundle of 50 ballot papers? What are MI5 up to?!GeoffM said:
We're actually at the Hampshire house right now.surbiton said:
Thank God, you live in Gibraltar. Stay there.GeoffM said:
YesAlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
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Across for my brother's 40th this weekend.
I've just made sure we're all safely on the Electoral Roll.
It'll be a safe Con hold here but it's important not to be complacent.0 -
'Wrong but romantic' and 'Right but repulsive'Peter_the_Punter said:
I seem to recollect '1066 And All That' describing the Roundheads as right but boring, and the Cavaliers as wrong but fun.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've never been fond of the term Cavaliers and Roundheads.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Mike, you've ruined my weekend thread.
I was planning to cover this.
Leavers really are moral degenerates who were quite happy to support and campaign for such a vile and racist Leave campaign, is this polling really surprising?
I wonder what the polling would say about bears and their toilet habits ?
It would be more interesting to do a thread on how the referendum has caused the biggest political realignment since the Cavaliers and Roundheads.
I'm on of life's Cavaliers, but with my Republican tendencies, I'm a Roundhead.
Divine rights of Kings and Queens? You're having a laugh.
Did any history book ever improve on these definitions?0 -
Roundheads were just a likely to wear their hair long as Cavaliers, and Cavaliers were just as religious as Roundheads, so I'm with you as far as that goes.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've never been fond of the term Cavaliers and Roundheads.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Mike, you've ruined my weekend thread.
I was planning to cover this.
Leavers really are moral degenerates who were quite happy to support and campaign for such a vile and racist Leave campaign, is this polling really surprising?
I wonder what the polling would say about bears and their toilet habits ?
It would be more interesting to do a thread on how the referendum has caused the biggest political realignment since the Cavaliers and Roundheads.
I'm on of life's Cavaliers, but with my Republican tendencies, I'm a Roundhead.
Divine rights of Kings and Queens? You're having a laugh.
As for divine right - your avatar and mine could have a lively debate about that at some point!0 -
This is some nice music I have just discovered, Ken Livingstone likes the guitar but cant have the Joanna!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmfHid85XoM0 -
Could Brexit mean the loss of these nice blue passports?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/8579711476563107860 -
So that's me now down as 2, 5 and the first half of 3.Fenster said:
Can we have a Number 5 please?AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
5) I'd do her niece? Fascist or not.
*I've always been a shallow bastard.
Is this a FPTP poll or is it some overly complicated STV affair requiring preferences?0 -
There was a Facebook page I saw the other day which urged people to make sure every thing in their household was on the Register.RobD said:
Haven't you received your bundle of 50 ballot papers? What are MI5 up to?!GeoffM said:
We're actually at the Hampshire house right now.surbiton said:
Thank God, you live in Gibraltar. Stay there.GeoffM said:
YesAlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
LIKE
Across for my brother's 40th this weekend.
I've just made sure we're all safely on the Electoral Roll.
It'll be a safe Con hold here but it's important not to be complacent.
Except the cat, as cats vote Tory.
Don’t blame me, I’m only passing it on. Never did like the scratchy mewy little songbird killers though!0 -
Team Blue are 2-0 on that front. Drives the lefties mad.felix said: 0 -
Not yet, but they've already sent me a monogrammed pen rather than a pencil.RobD said:
Haven't you received your bundle of 50 ballot papers? What are MI5 up to?!GeoffM said:
We're actually at the Hampshire house right now.surbiton said:
Thank God, you live in Gibraltar. Stay there.GeoffM said:
YesAlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
LIKE
Across for my brother's 40th this weekend.
I've just made sure we're all safely on the Electoral Roll.
It'll be a safe Con hold here but it's important not to be complacent.0 -
Friend of mine’s just got his dog into Thailand with little hassle with one of those.williamglenn said:Could Brexit mean the loss of these nice blue passports?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/8579711476563107860 -
We have FPTP. So your contribution equals zero.GeoffM said:
We're actually at the Hampshire house right now.surbiton said:
Thank God, you live in Gibraltar. Stay there.GeoffM said:
YesAlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
LIKE
Across for my brother's 40th this weekend.
I've just made sure we're all safely on the Electoral Roll.
It'll be a safe Con hold here but it's important not to be complacent.0 -
"The left here really don't like women do they?"
Lies, damn lies.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/22/revealed-jeremy-corbyn-showed-off-naked-diane-abbott-to-impress/
See? Jezza loves women.0 -
The evidence is clear that there is a very strong overlap. Julian Assange and Nigel Farage, for example, agree about much more than they disagree about.Peter_the_Punter said:
I used to think that was a bit simplistic, Mark, but the older I get the more I'm inclined to think it's true.MarkHopkins said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
I don't want to get into arguments after what happened in our family recently, but what exactly makes Le Pen a Fascist?MikeSmithson said:Just to say that French courts have ruled that it is legal to call Le Pen a fascist.
http://en.rfi.fr/france/20140410-front-nationals-le-pen-can-be-called-fascist-court-rules
Is Red Ken a Fascist?
Fascism is defined as extreme right-wing.
However, I'm not sure there's much difference between extreme left and right wing.
Am I growing senile?
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Wait, aren't we told relentlessly about what fraction of people didn't vote for the Tories?surbiton said:
We have FPTP. So your contribution equals zero.GeoffM said:
We're actually at the Hampshire house right now.surbiton said:
Thank God, you live in Gibraltar. Stay there.GeoffM said:
YesAlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
LIKE
Across for my brother's 40th this weekend.
I've just made sure we're all safely on the Electoral Roll.
It'll be a safe Con hold here but it's important not to be complacent.0 -
Presumably, that includes Jews as well ?JeremyBeadle said:"You rambling post is difficult to understand. But are you suggesting that if someone has an opinion against some of the actions of the State of Israel, they are anti-Semitic ?"
Most of the time.
They aren't 100% the same, but just as Leave voters correlate with Le Pen or Trump, people complaining about Israel tend to be anti-semites.0 -
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A vote young oedipus thread0 -
Her niece is less of a fascist than a fundamentalist religious crusader. A catholic ultra. She's liberal on economics so no fan of a large powerful state and doesn't even seem to like the idea of la republique (she has been caught associating with pro-monarchy groups in France). She's always on about 'judeo-christian' war with islam and her focus is on being socially conservative rather than 'populist'.Fenster said:
Can we have a Number 5 please?AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
5) I'd do her niece? Fascist or not.
*I've always been a shallow bastard.0 -
"Wrong but Wromantic".0
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His answer makes it clear that if anyone criticises the State of Israel, then they are anti-semites.RobD said:
I think they are suggesting that there were anti Semitic materials on that page.surbiton said:
You rambling post is difficult to understand. But are you suggesting that if someone has an opinion against some of the actions of the State of Israel, they are anti-Semitic ?JeremyBeadle said:Just curious: the holocaust denial thing is one thing, but it seems to me that the (true, not the wishy-washy Blairite stuff) left is massively anti-semitic, from what I see on my Facebook (and they don't seem shy about it either - express something pro-Trump and you are blocked and defriended, but the anti-semitism is unembarrassed. Me to lefty 'er, that "Israel is a War-criminal" page you linked to is vile anti-semitism.' Lefty: 'foams at mouth': defriened.
Is anti-semitism is actually a vote loser, and for which parties? It must be hard to get elected in, say, Tower Hamlets, without sharing many opinions with Adolf.
Obviously the holocaust stuff is a bit passé, but Labour and the Lib Dems are infested with anti-semites (er, fascists?) from what I can see.
Perhaps some polling on attitudes towards Israel would be more useful?0 -
French monarchist? It's all moot.... as soon as they become one we'll just invoke the Treaty of Troyes.Paristonda said:
Her niece is less of a fascist than a fundamentalist religious crusader. A catholic ultra. She's liberal on economics so no fan of a large powerful state and doesn't even seem to like the idea of la republique (she has been caught associating with pro-monarchy groups in France). She's always on about 'judeo-christian' war with islam and her focus is on being socially conservative rather than 'populist'.Fenster said:
Can we have a Number 5 please?AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
5) I'd do her niece? Fascist or not.
*I've always been a shallow bastard.
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Where does it say that?surbiton said:
His answer makes it clear that if anyone criticises the State of Israel, then they are anti-semites.RobD said:
I think they are suggesting that there were anti Semitic materials on that page.surbiton said:
You rambling post is difficult to understand. But are you suggesting that if someone has an opinion against some of the actions of the State of Israel, they are anti-Semitic ?JeremyBeadle said:Just curious: the holocaust denial thing is one thing, but it seems to me that the (true, not the wishy-washy Blairite stuff) left is massively anti-semitic, from what I see on my Facebook (and they don't seem shy about it either - express something pro-Trump and you are blocked and defriended, but the anti-semitism is unembarrassed. Me to lefty 'er, that "Israel is a War-criminal" page you linked to is vile anti-semitism.' Lefty: 'foams at mouth': defriened.
Is anti-semitism is actually a vote loser, and for which parties? It must be hard to get elected in, say, Tower Hamlets, without sharing many opinions with Adolf.
Obviously the holocaust stuff is a bit passé, but Labour and the Lib Dems are infested with anti-semites (er, fascists?) from what I can see.
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The left do have a few pet Jewish self-haters out there who get more air time, especially in the US, than they merit.surbiton said:
Presumably, that includes Jews as well ?JeremyBeadle said:"You rambling post is difficult to understand. But are you suggesting that if someone has an opinion against some of the actions of the State of Israel, they are anti-Semitic ?"
Most of the time.
They aren't 100% the same, but just as Leave voters correlate with Le Pen or Trump, people complaining about Israel tend to be anti-semites.0 -
True. The kids are all over-excited from playing with all the toys Ed Balls brought them. The adults have all been swigging sickly, Yvette Cooper-flavoured Baileys since 10am. It's an incendiary mix.RobD said:
It always gets like this over Ed Balls dinner.SirNorfolkPassmore said:People are being quite tetchy on here today.
It is as if some people have forgotten the true meaning of Ed Balls Day. Sad.0 -
"His answer makes it clear that if anyone criticises the State of Israel, then they are anti-semites."
I said 'most'. Is English not your first language?0 -
In a word then, she's 'barking'.Paristonda said:
Her niece is less of a fascist than a fundamentalist religious crusader. A catholic ultra. She's liberal on economics so no fan of a large powerful state and doesn't even seem to like the idea of la republique (she has been caught associating with pro-monarchy groups in France). She's always on about 'judeo-christian' war with islam and her focus is on being socially conservative rather than 'populist'.Fenster said:
Can we have a Number 5 please?AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
5) I'd do her niece? Fascist or not.
*I've always been a shallow bastard.0 -
Now there’s a mental vision I’d hoped never to see….!JeremyBeadle said:"The left here really don't like women do they?"
Lies, damn lies.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/22/revealed-jeremy-corbyn-showed-off-naked-diane-abbott-to-impress/
See? Jezza loves women.0 -
On the contrary, she sounds great!Peter_the_Punter said:
In a word then, she's 'barking'.Paristonda said:
Her niece is less of a fascist than a fundamentalist religious crusader. A catholic ultra. She's liberal on economics so no fan of a large powerful state and doesn't even seem to like the idea of la republique (she has been caught associating with pro-monarchy groups in France). She's always on about 'judeo-christian' war with islam and her focus is on being socially conservative rather than 'populist'.Fenster said:
Can we have a Number 5 please?AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
5) I'd do her niece? Fascist or not.
*I've always been a shallow bastard.0 -
"Charles I was a Cavalier King and therefore had a small pointed beard, long flowing curls, a large, flat, flowing hat and gay attire. The Roundheads, on the other hand, were clean-shaven, and wore tall, conical hats, white ties and sombre garments. Under these circumstances a Civil War was inevitable." Be warned.0
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Does Jezza actually have proper policies?Patrick said:Is it really that simple? MLP's economic policies seem indistinguishable from Corbyn's. I guess Jezza is another fascist. He's certainly a herbivore. (and an anti-semite) (and seems very OK with violence)
Rather than being a 'fascist', I think Mme Le Pen is more in the mould of the Kirchner's of Argentina. Lots of popular things that can't be paid for (more money for pensioners!), plus trade barriers (35% across the board in the case of Mme Le Pen).
One of the big problems in Europe right now is a lack of sensible Eurosceptic parties. Almost all the Eurosceptic parties on the continent believe that the EU is too pro-free trade. The AfD - for a while - was a sensible Eurosceptic party and then went through some schisms and followed the FN path. But the PVV are bonkers, the FN would destroy the French economy, and Forza Italia is still run by a complete crook.0 -
SirNorfolkPassmore said:
True. The kids are all over-excited from playing with all the toys Ed Balls brought them. The adults have all been swigging sickly, Yvette Cooper-flavoured Baileys since 10am. It's an incendiary mix.RobD said:
It always gets like this over Ed Balls dinner.SirNorfolkPassmore said:People are being quite tetchy on here today.
It is as if some people have forgotten the true meaning of Ed Balls Day. Sad.
Yvette Cooper-flavoured Baileys
Oh thank you so very much for that.
*shudders*
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Thank you, Richard. Might have guessed you'd be a fan too.Richard_Nabavi said:
'Wrong but romantic' and 'Right but repulsive'Peter_the_Punter said:
I seem to recollect '1066 And All That' describing the Roundheads as right but boring, and the Cavaliers as wrong but fun.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've never been fond of the term Cavaliers and Roundheads.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Mike, you've ruined my weekend thread.
I was planning to cover this.
Leavers really are moral degenerates who were quite happy to support and campaign for such a vile and racist Leave campaign, is this polling really surprising?
I wonder what the polling would say about bears and their toilet habits ?
It would be more interesting to do a thread on how the referendum has caused the biggest political realignment since the Cavaliers and Roundheads.
I'm on of life's Cavaliers, but with my Republican tendencies, I'm a Roundhead.
Divine rights of Kings and Queens? You're having a laugh.
Did any history book ever improve on these definitions?0 -
"Now there’s a mental vision I’d hoped never to see….!"
Rule 34, surely?0 -
I wonder if this MP will be replaced? I mean retired or forced to step down? Maybe he will defect to the Lib Dems as he would find his views similar to Tim Farron!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4455962/Student-says-MP-told-class-homosexuality-wrong.html0 -
@LabourNorthWest: Delighted to announce Jo Platt @CllrJoP has been chosen as the Labour candidate for Leigh #GE17 #VoteLabour0
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Quite in keeping witb the sympaties expressed by Leavers on PB, though some are more discreet than others..AlastairMeeks said:
More than 8 out of 10 leavers who expressed a preference deciding to root for the fascist is quite a monolithic bloc.isam said:
What the referendum seems to have done is to transform people who for years had been saying that society was more nuanced than meets the eye, who avoided stereotyping of people on flimsy evidence, who protested that groups of people were not "a monolith", into the people they used to criticise!AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
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Labour selected cllr Joanna Platt for Leigh.
Corbyn's ally Katy Clark withdrew before NEC interview today.
Platt had support from all the local powers: the council leader, Andy Burnham, the local branch of Momentum0 -
Yes. And UKIP's trade / economic views are out to lunch as well. But the necessary first step in having a sensible policy is to leave. MLP is a nasty lefty - and the % of lefties with a coherent economic policy is a number not unadjacent to zero. The ONLY spot-on good policy she has is to get the fuck out of Dodge.rcs1000 said:
Does Jezza actually have proper policies?Patrick said:Is it really that simple? MLP's economic policies seem indistinguishable from Corbyn's. I guess Jezza is another fascist. He's certainly a herbivore. (and an anti-semite) (and seems very OK with violence)
Rather than being a 'fascist', I think Mme Le Pen is more in the mould of the Kirchner's of Argentina. Lots of popular things that can't be paid for (more money for pensioners!), plus trade barriers (35% across the board in the case of Mme Le Pen).
One of the big problems in Europe right now is a lack of sensible Eurosceptic parties. Almost all the Eurosceptic parties on the continent believe that the EU is too pro-free trade. The AfD - for a while - was a sensible Eurosceptic party and then went through some schisms and followed the FN path. But the PVV are bonkers, the FN would destroy the French economy, and Forza Italia is still run by a complete crook.
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So women are just numbers to you? Ed Balls to that.RobD said:
Team Blue are 2-0 on that front. Drives the lefties mad.felix said:0 -
Just quoting Theresa May.Freggles said:
So women are just numbers to you? Ed Balls to that.RobD said:
Team Blue are 2-0 on that front. Drives the lefties mad.felix said:
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Alas, I fear you are correct. We had a few days recently when the site returned to its best and the discussion of odds and probabilities came once again to the fore. You know, political betting stuff. However, we have descended again to people trying to re-fight the Referendum and, even worse, calling the Prime Minister a "lying bitch" for no apparent reason Sad really but it is OGH's site.ITMA said:
...MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Mike, you've ruined my weekend thread.
I was planning to cover this.
Leavers really are moral degenerates who were quite happy to support and campaign for such a vile and racist Leave campaign, is this polling really surprising?
I wonder what the polling would say about bears and their toilet habits ?
It would be more interesting to do a thread on how the referendum has caused the biggest political realignment since the Cavaliers and Roundheads.
Sadly the site is heading for way beyond its worst days of the referendum.0 -
As the EU27 have clearly and consistently stated, Brexit means Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
Hardline leavers should be very happy with the EU position, they are clear that there is no halfway house soft Brexit. The only thing that needs discussing is the process of hard Brexit and the final bill.
Hardline Leavers should support Macron.0 -
As a matter of common courtesy, not to mention in aid of clarity, it would be so so easy if, when labeling groups of opponents or merely those with an alternate view as vile, idiotic and detestable, people could take the time to add the words 'some', 'many', 'most' or 'nearly all'. It would cost nothing.
But fuck that I guess.0 -
I thought Farron had made it clear that he didn’t hold those viewsThe_Taxman said:I wonder if this MP will be replaced? I mean retired or forced to step down? Maybe he will defect to the Lib Dems as he would find his views similar to Tim Farron!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4455962/Student-says-MP-told-class-homosexuality-wrong.html0 -
foxinsoxuk said:
Quite in keeping witb the sympaties expressed by Leavers on PB, though some are more discreet than others..AlastairMeeks said:
More than 8 out of 10 leavers who expressed a preference deciding to root for the fascist is quite a monolithic bloc.isam said:
What the referendum seems to have done is to transform people who for years had been saying that society was more nuanced than meets the eye, who avoided stereotyping of people on flimsy evidence, who protested that groups of people were not "a monolith", into the people they used to criticise!AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
No it's just a stupid question.
People were asked, based on their vague impressions of the 2 French candidates, which they thought would be best for Britain.
Le Pen (seen as anti-EU) was preferred by Leavers.
Macron (seen as pro-EU) was preferred by Remainers.
To be clear. They were not asked "Le Pen is a fascist, would you vote for her", but that's the way some seem to be interpreting it.
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Speaking of vile middle eastern countries....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4448404/Saudi-Arabia-sends-atheist-death-renouncing-Islam.html0 -
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You were right up to the final sentence. If we want to secure the largest possible payment and the smoothest possible clean WTO exit it surely assists us to have an EU in turmoil rather than Macron parroting German lines?foxinsoxuk said:
As the EU27 have clearly and consistently stated, Brexit means Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
Hardline leavers should be very happy with the EU position, they are clear that there is no halfway house soft Brexit. The only thing that needs discussing is the process of hard Brexit and the final bill.
As suchhardline Leavers should support Macron.0 -
I presume the final bill for diamond Brexit will be £0.01 - but with a free finger wave attached.foxinsoxuk said:
The only thing that needs discussing is the process of hard Brexit and the final bill.AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
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Down, boy. Barking but not tasteless.GeoffM said:
On the contrary, she sounds great!Peter_the_Punter said:
In a word then, she's 'barking'.Paristonda said:
Her niece is less of a fascist than a fundamentalist religious crusader. A catholic ultra. She's liberal on economics so no fan of a large powerful state and doesn't even seem to like the idea of la republique (she has been caught associating with pro-monarchy groups in France). She's always on about 'judeo-christian' war with islam and her focus is on being socially conservative rather than 'populist'.Fenster said:
Can we have a Number 5 please?AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
5) I'd do her niece? Fascist or not.
*I've always been a shallow bastard.0 -
Plain boringfoxinsoxuk said:
As the EU27 have clearly and consistently stated, Brexit means Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
Hardline leavers should be very happy with the EU position, they are clear that there is no halfway house soft Brexit. The only thing that needs discussing is the process of hard Brexit and the final bill.
Hardline Leavers should support Macron.
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For what it's worth the hard left has just got a whole lot weaker in Unite:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/work/trade-unions/news/85460/excl-blow-len-mccluskey-hard-left-have-majority-slashed-unites0 -
Are there any markets on Tottenham to get relegated next season? I want to stick loads of money on it happening.0
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That's a very odd article. What's the Mail got against Andrew Turner?The_Taxman said:I wonder if this MP will be replaced? I mean retired or forced to step down? Maybe he will defect to the Lib Dems as he would find his views similar to Tim Farron!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4455962/Student-says-MP-told-class-homosexuality-wrong.html
Did Dacre fall out with him at a drinks party, or something?0 -
I've officially had it confirmed.
We'll be getting a YouGov poll in The Sunday Times every weekend until polling day.0 -
Is this a dogging thread ?Peter_the_Punter said:
Down, boy. Barking but not tasteless.GeoffM said:
On the contrary, she sounds great!Peter_the_Punter said:
In a word then, she's 'barking'.Paristonda said:
Her niece is less of a fascist than a fundamentalist religious crusader. A catholic ultra. She's liberal on economics so no fan of a large powerful state and doesn't even seem to like the idea of la republique (she has been caught associating with pro-monarchy groups in France). She's always on about 'judeo-christian' war with islam and her focus is on being socially conservative rather than 'populist'.Fenster said:
Can we have a Number 5 please?AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
5) I'd do her niece? Fascist or not.
*I've always been a shallow bastard.0 -
Yep, makes sense for us to want economic turmoil visited on our biggest export market.GeoffM said:
You were right up to the final sentence. If we want to secure the largest possible payment and the smoothest possible clean WTO exit it surely assists us to have an EU in turmoil rather than Macron parroting German lines?foxinsoxuk said:
As the EU27 have clearly and consistently stated, Brexit means Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
Hardline leavers should be very happy with the EU position, they are clear that there is no halfway house soft Brexit. The only thing that needs discussing is the process of hard Brexit and the final bill.
As suchhardline Leavers should support Macron.
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Weekly? How boring.TheScreamingEagles said:I've officially had it confirmed.
We'll be getting a YouGov poll in The Sunday Times every weekend until polling day.0 -
I'm on Brentford and Isleworth as a Con regain at short odds, so this should help that bet out.Scott_P said:0 -
Are we reheating the Restaurant B serving Roast Dog comparison from yesterday?Peter_the_Punter said:
Down, boy. Barking but not tasteless.GeoffM said:
On the contrary, she sounds great!Peter_the_Punter said:
In a word then, she's 'barking'.Paristonda said:
Her niece is less of a fascist than a fundamentalist religious crusader. A catholic ultra. She's liberal on economics so no fan of a large powerful state and doesn't even seem to like the idea of la republique (she has been caught associating with pro-monarchy groups in France). She's always on about 'judeo-christian' war with islam and her focus is on being socially conservative rather than 'populist'.Fenster said:
Can we have a Number 5 please?AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
5) I'd do her niece? Fascist or not.
*I've always been a shallow bastard.
Say it ain't so, Joe?0 -
I have family on the Isle of Wight so know the place reasonably well.Pong said:
That's a very odd article. What's the Mail got against Andrew Turner?The_Taxman said:I wonder if this MP will be replaced? I mean retired or forced to step down? Maybe he will defect to the Lib Dems as he would find his views similar to Tim Farron!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4455962/Student-says-MP-told-class-homosexuality-wrong.html
Did Dacre fall out with him at a drinks party, or something?
For once, the DM is right. Andrew Turner is a complete pillock.0 -
Why would somebody make it up?OldKingCole said:
I thought Farron had made it clear that he didn’t hold those viewsThe_Taxman said:I wonder if this MP will be replaced? I mean retired or forced to step down? Maybe he will defect to the Lib Dems as he would find his views similar to Tim Farron!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4455962/Student-says-MP-told-class-homosexuality-wrong.html
Farron probably did respond in a way that left him open to accusations. It is embarrassing for him and indeed he has not said "No, I never said that", rather he has said as part of the coalition government (which he did not support and laughably called the Tories Toxic at the time) they instigated several policies that Homosexuals wanted to get equality in front of the law.0 -
We'll also be getting one during the week in The Times too.RobD said:
Weekly? How boring.TheScreamingEagles said:I've officially had it confirmed.
We'll be getting a YouGov poll in The Sunday Times every weekend until polling day.0 -
The US? How did they come into this thread?SouthamObserver said:
Yep, makes sense for us to want economic turmoil visited on our biggest export market.GeoffM said:
You were right up to the final sentence. If we want to secure the largest possible payment and the smoothest possible clean WTO exit it surely assists us to have an EU in turmoil rather than Macron parroting German lines?foxinsoxuk said:
As the EU27 have clearly and consistently stated, Brexit means Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
Hardline leavers should be very happy with the EU position, they are clear that there is no halfway house soft Brexit. The only thing that needs discussing is the process of hard Brexit and the final bill.
As suchhardline Leavers should support Macron.0 -
proof?JeremyBeadle said:
It must be hard to get elected in, say, Tower Hamlets, without sharing many opinions with Adolf.0 -
I think that probably correct. Any significant bill will be a political suicide pill for the MPs backing paying it. It could well be why May wants a big majority. It is the Leave Fundamentalists ratber than the Remainers who pose the biggest threat to her.Patrick said:
I presume the final bill for diamond Brexit will be £0.01 - but with a free finger wave attached.foxinsoxuk said:
The only thing that needs discussing is the process of hard Brexit and the final bill.AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
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Let's throw lists of the views of Mohammad Rahman and Hitler on a pile in the middle of the floor and conduct a blind taste test.nunu said:
proof?JeremyBeadle said:
It must be hard to get elected in, say, Tower Hamlets, without sharing many opinions with Adolf.0 -
Two grotesque factual errors in a single sentence.SeanT said:
At least they haven't happily bought houses in countries run by actual Fascists, as you have, in Orban's Hungary, which you now apparently consider your "spiritual home".AlastairMeeks said:
More than 8 out of 10 leavers who expressed a preference deciding to root for the fascist is quite a monolithic bloc.isam said:
What the referendum seems to have done is to transform people who for years had been saying that society was more nuanced than meets the eye, who avoided stereotyping of people on flimsy evidence, who protested that groups of people were not "a monolith", into the people they used to criticise!AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
You're improving.0 -
On topic
Almost all thread headers have a byline - TSE or Mike or some other contributor.
I do find it amusing that when a thread header is quite clearly utter bollocks and makes claims unsupported by the basic data, no one is honest enough to actually put their name to it.
If a political party made a dishonest claim like this in their flyers then this site would be all over it.0 -
I reckon he will offset with free uni for all policy.Scott_P said:twitter.com/joemurphylondon/status/857984464638685186
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I think the Tories on the isle of White have some beef with him about his relationship with his wife. Maybe someone wants to prise him out of the seat? From what I remember of the "scandal" I was puzzled as he looked to be the victim rather than the perpetrator of anything but my memory may be playing tricks! Politics can be very harsh.Pong said:
That's a very odd article. What's the Mail got against Andrew Turner?The_Taxman said:I wonder if this MP will be replaced? I mean retired or forced to step down? Maybe he will defect to the Lib Dems as he would find his views similar to Tim Farron!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4455962/Student-says-MP-told-class-homosexuality-wrong.html
Did Dacre fall out with him at a drinks party, or something?0 -
Why do we not get money back?foxinsoxuk said:
I think that probably correct. Any significant bill will be a political suicide pill for the MPs backing paying it. It could well be why May wants a big majority. It is the Leave Fundamentalists ratber than the Remainers who pose the biggest threat to her.Patrick said:
I presume the final bill for diamond Brexit will be £0.01 - but with a free finger wave attached.foxinsoxuk said:
The only thing that needs discussing is the process of hard Brexit and the final bill.AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
The Scots thought that they were entitled to 10% of everything back including 10% of all shared embassy floor space.
Why do the EU not, on the same measure, owe us 1/27th of everything?0 -
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It does seem that in Bangladesh copies of Mein Kampf sell well:nunu said:
proof?JeremyBeadle said:
It must be hard to get elected in, say, Tower Hamlets, without sharing many opinions with Adolf.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8382132.stm
Mind you, I have a copy on Kindle myself. It is pretty unreadable.0 -
Have you tried the English translation?foxinsoxuk said:
It does seem that in Bangladesh copies of Mein Kampf sell well:nunu said:
proof?JeremyBeadle said:
It must be hard to get elected in, say, Tower Hamlets, without sharing many opinions with Adolf.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8382132.stm
Mind you, I have a copy on Kindle myself. It is pretty unreadable. 0 -
I don't think that we should pay a penny post Brexit.GeoffM said:
Why do we not get money back?foxinsoxuk said:
I think that probably correct. Any significant bill will be a political suicide pill for the MPs backing paying it. It could well be why May wants a big majority. It is the Leave Fundamentalists ratber than the Remainers who pose the biggest threat to her.Patrick said:
I presume the final bill for diamond Brexit will be £0.01 - but with a free finger wave attached.foxinsoxuk said:
The only thing that needs discussing is the process of hard Brexit and the final bill.AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
The Scots thought that they were entitled to 10% of everything back including 10% of all shared embassy floor space.
Why do the EU not, on the same measure, owe us 1/27th of everything?
The EU27 think differently of course.0 -
It's a little bit more complicated. His girlfriend had an affair with a prominent fellow Conservative:The_Taxman said:
I think the Tories on the isle of White have some beef with him about his relationship with his wife. Maybe someone wants to prise him out of the seat? From what I remember of the "scandal" I was puzzled as he looked to be the victim rather than the perpetrator of anything but my memory may be playing tricks! Politics can be very harsh.Pong said:
That's a very odd article. What's the Mail got against Andrew Turner?The_Taxman said:I wonder if this MP will be replaced? I mean retired or forced to step down? Maybe he will defect to the Lib Dems as he would find his views similar to Tim Farron!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4455962/Student-says-MP-told-class-homosexuality-wrong.html
Did Dacre fall out with him at a drinks party, or something?
https://onthewight.com/andrew-turner-mp-split-due-affair/0 -
Because, thank god, we weren't in it when it became a fully fledged country.GeoffM said:
Why do we not get money back?foxinsoxuk said:
I think that probably correct. Any significant bill will be a political suicide pill for the MPs backing paying it. It could well be why May wants a big majority. It is the Leave Fundamentalists ratber than the Remainers who pose the biggest threat to her.Patrick said:
I presume the final bill for diamond Brexit will be £0.01 - but with a free finger wave attached.foxinsoxuk said:
The only thing that needs discussing is the process of hard Brexit and the final bill.AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
The Scots thought that they were entitled to 10% of everything back including 10% of all shared embassy floor space.
Why do the EU not, on the same measure, owe us 1/27th of everything?0 -
If it was 1st April, Ken Livingstone would be going for the PHD with Baroness Tongue.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Ich Kenne ein bisschen Deutsch!RobD said:
Have you tried the English translation?foxinsoxuk said:
It does seem that in Bangladesh copies of Mein Kampf sell well:nunu said:
proof?JeremyBeadle said:
It must be hard to get elected in, say, Tower Hamlets, without sharing many opinions with Adolf.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8382132.stm
Mind you, I have a copy on Kindle myself. It is pretty unreadable.0 -
We don't send 40%+ of our exports to the US. We send them to the member states of the European Union.GeoffM said:
The US? How did they come into this thread?SouthamObserver said:
Yep, makes sense for us to want economic turmoil visited on our biggest export market.GeoffM said:
You were right up to the final sentence. If we want to secure the largest possible payment and the smoothest possible clean WTO exit it surely assists us to have an EU in turmoil rather than Macron parroting German lines?foxinsoxuk said:
As the EU27 have clearly and consistently stated, Brexit means Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
That is the basic point. There is nothing that Leavers are not prepared to sacrifice, whether it be independence of the judiciary, Parliamentary accountability of government or the democracy of one of our closest neighbours, if that sacrifice might assist in some minor way Britain leaving the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
Be sensible, Alastair.Sean_F said:
Most of us think she's far too liberal.AlastairMeeks said:It seems that we have a four way split on topic between Leavers:
1) Leavers don't really support Marine Le Pen and the fact that nearly 9 out of 10 of those who expressed a preference named her is neither here nor there
2) Thinking that Marine Le Pen is best for Britain isn't the same as thinking that Marine Le Pen is the more desirable outcome
3) Marine Le Pen isn't really a fascist and is sadly misunderstood
4) Hurrah for the blackshirts!
Le Pen's election is much the more likely to throw the EU into disarray and could conceivably lead to its demise, the only circumstance which might in retrospect make Brexit appear to have been a wise policy.
The world can burn, so long as among the embers is a Britain that has left the EU.
Hardline leavers should be very happy with the EU position, they are clear that there is no halfway house soft Brexit. The only thing that needs discussing is the process of hard Brexit and the final bill.
As suchhardline Leavers should support Macron.
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Only a little?foxinsoxuk said:
Ich Kenne ein bisschen Deutsch!RobD said:
Have you tried the English translation?foxinsoxuk said:
It does seem that in Bangladesh copies of Mein Kampf sell well:nunu said:
proof?JeremyBeadle said:
It must be hard to get elected in, say, Tower Hamlets, without sharing many opinions with Adolf.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8382132.stm
Mind you, I have a copy on Kindle myself. It is pretty unreadable. 0 -
I wonder when the left got into bed with Nazis? I am in a mostly Muslim country and Hitler t-shirts and swastika motorbike stickers are very popular. There are lots of translations of the Protocols of the Elders Of Zion and such like online.
It strikes me that in terms of social views they have nothing in common with the Western left - there is no question here that Islamist parties are right-wing.
Are the Western left just very stupid? Or do far-right extremists stop being far-right extremists when they emigrate to a country where their views are not within the mainstream, and instead become 'friends of Jeremy'?0
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