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The June elections are probably more important to him than the size of his winning margin next weekend.
Lets assume a parallel (Fantasy right now) universe where the SNP had won the referendum.
How strong would Sturgeon's hand be to make England, Wales and Northern Ireland bend to her will, to get a fantastic deal for Scotland.
Hard to imagine what the equivalent of a Tory would be in France. OK there are some Poujadist types, but where are the gentlemen's clubs or the private schools? One of the Grande Ecoles spawns quite a few "Islington" types who many Tories would cross the road to avoid.
And I'd question whether Le Pen is really a "fascist"? Hard Right yes. Far Right? Possibly. But fascist? I'd need to be persuaded of that....
LD = Little Democrats....
He predicted a Trump win and he thinks Le Pen has a good chance. The Eurasia Group risk consultancy puts the probability of a Le Pen win at 30%.
What do people make of Jean-Francois Jalkh being appointed as NF leader and then stepping down? Her campaign must surely have considered the possible consequences of appointing him. I don't think the appointment did her any harm. Now he has had to be replaced so quickly, I'm not so sure. A lot of dogwhistling about Jewish influence is happening in France.
Macron has basically said that Le Pen and the NF are the modern incarnation of the OAS.
I voted remain, not least because I despise Farage and would not be seen dead on the same side as him - but I am disgusted by the smear.
(as of now since the vote is lost and the die is cast its clear to me we should leave the EU and if they insist on punishment beatings they can sod off)
In comments unearthed by a journalist at La Croix newspaper and republished in Le Monde, Jalkh, an MEP, argued he was not a Holocaust denier but had spoken to a chemistry expert about Zyklon B, which was used in the extermination chambers.
“I consider that from a technical standpoint it is impossible – and I stress, impossible – to use it in mass exterminations. Why? Because you need several days to decontaminate a space … where Zyklon B has been used.”
Europe is expanding yet further its demands for Britain’s Brexit financial settlement to include “political” commitments, such as the UK’s share of a £2.5bn fund to help refugees in Turkey, The Telegraph can disclose.
The fact I have £50 on him did not influence these views at all.
Who’d be best for Britian – Macron or Le Pen. YouGov finds LEAVE voters want the fascist
welshowl said: "What could beat Cardinal Sin of Manila."
Sean_F said "Archbishop Worlock of Liverpool."
I was baptized by Cannon Ball.
The whole point of Brexit is to transfer sovereignty back to Britain that had been acquired by the EU through our membership.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B
"Holocaust deniers claim that Zyklon B gas was not used in the gas chambers..."
I was in this YouGov and I voted LePen because the collapse of the establishment in France will make Brexit negotiations more difficult. Chaos across the Channel would be very useful. OAnd one in the eye, as you rightly say, against the EU monolith.
And again with this 'Right' canard. Her economic policies, like most people described as 'fascist' are far left.
I think those answering "Le Pen" to the question asked have a point to a degree... it may well be better for Britain to have a French President who is anti-EU in terms of negotiating more favourable Brexit terms.
But it certainly doesn't mean people "want" that outcome. For some people, what is good for British interests and what they want are one and the same thing. But, for many, it's a relevant factor but not the only one.
EDIT: Actually, I see your point about the whole headline. But I still think it's a bit misleading. Fairer would be "Who'd be best for Britain? YouGov find Leave voters say Le Pen".
It is possible to believe that Le Pen might be 'better for Britain' - whatever that might mean - and still not want that outcome. I, for one, think that a Le Pen victory might well facilitate a better outcome for Britain in its negotiations with the EU, but still not want it to happen (because of both the greater long-term damage it would do to Europe and, potentially, Britain and because I simply don't want politicians who are that right wing attaining ascendancy within Western democracy).
Clearly, thinking something might be better does not mean you want it, nor vice versa.
2. The UK leaves the EU. Not only don't we get 1/27th of their embassies and missions and bits'n'bobs but they want us to pay for their Agencies to break leases.
Both arguments can't be right.
If we pay to leave the EU then Scotland must pay to leave the UK.
Not the same as supporting Le Pen;s policies across the board.
According to a senior party official familiar with the leadership team’s electoral strategy, while Labour MPs are looking over their shoulders in seats once considered unassailable, Corbyn and his close aides believe a grass-roots insurgency can succeed against the well-oiled Conservative election machine.
http://www.politico.eu/article/jeremy-corbyn-campaign-team-defies-gravity/
http://en.rfi.fr/france/20140410-front-nationals-le-pen-can-be-called-fascist-court-rules
But whoever thought Leavers were logical?
If Le Pen were to win, a recovery in Europe would be thrown into reverse and markets would dive. That is not in the UK's interests.
You are simply wrong.
Once you realise the answer is zero, the nonsense of the GE is apparent.
https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/857930797600428032
Marine Le Pen waddles and quacks like a fascist and the fact that she is microscopically less odious than her father is little consolation.
Probably, no, she's not. She's more of a populist-nationalist. But she's more than happy to play to and to take the votes of fascists.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4452032/Students-welcome-election-union-chief-jazz-hands.html
If you believed the left Trump is a fascist, Republicans are fascists, so are Tories, UKIP, May, Thatcher, Blair, Cameron, and I dare say if I looked hard enough I'd find examples of people like Nick Clegg being called fascists. If everyone is a fascists nobody is a fascist.
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https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/857923436194222081
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/857904445409120257
https://twitter.com/LivEchonews/status/857924208189472768
Of course, if the word 'fascist' is reduced to just meaning odious, then, yes, it's a fair description.
Then Mike comes along and overlays my prejudices with his own and pulls out a single interpretation of the original (poor) question.
Asking someone which is better for Britain is not the same as asking which they want. I detest Marine Le Pen and would never vote for her in a million years. If asked which is better for France or which I want would go for Macron every time. But Macron is a Europhile who wants to take a hard line over Brexit including possibly revising the Le Touquet agreement which he sees as unfair to France. Le Pen on the other hand is a strong supporter of Brexit and appears to want a good deal for the UK. Given their respective positions there is certainly a case to be made that Le Pen would be better for Britain. If I'd been asked I might have said that she was. But that doesn't mean I want her. I don't. Indeed, if I did say that I thought Le Pen was better for Britain, I would regard it as seriously libellous if someone said that meant I wanted her. I want the best deal for Britain but not at any cost. And Le Pen as president of France is far too high a cost.
I'm may be some time ....
And 15% of SNP voters. 30% of Men, 30% of the 65+......
Of course, on nearly every other category Macron is a far better choice for Britain. He is certainly no anglophobe and while he will be tough in negotiations, aligned with Merkel, I don't forsee relations worsening with France with him at the helm. Also the chaos in France after a Le Pen victory is unlikely to be good for their economy, hence the eurozone, and Europe generally. If Europe is having a bad time that usually means we will soon too.
I'd say Macron is better overall but can see the logic behind saying Le Pen is better for Britain, at least when it comes to Brexit negotiations. And obviously, the reason to support Macron is not because he's better for Britain but because the FN in power would be a terrible shame for France.
The Anschluss referendum voting paper was by far my favourite:
https://austria-forum.org/attach/AEIOU/Anschluss/Bilder_zum_Anschluss/scaled-368x270-Stimmzettel-Anschluss.jpg
Furthermore it makes me really angry as it is making me use up a self imposed limit on posting (since there is so much like rubbish posted that you could spend all day refuting it)