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it might be best if Labour get absolutely shellacked in these local elections and the elections in 2018
Do people really get shellacked these days? I think people get hammered or maramalised, but shellacking seems very rare.0 -
"Mile wide and inch deep" incoming.Black_Rook said:Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:
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Jeremy has them right where he wants them - he knows people are most likely to make a mistake when overconfident, so he has made them supremely confident. Clever man.Black_Rook said:Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:
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Could be true, but better a mile wide than half a yard all the same.RobD said:
"Mile wide and inch deep" incoming.Black_Rook said:Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:
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kilometer wide and centimeter deep doesn't have the same ring to it... another win for imperial units.kle4 said:
Could be true, but better a mile wide than half a yard all the same.RobD said:
"Mile wide and inch deep" incoming.Black_Rook said:Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:
twitter.com/PollingDigest/status/848615666534023168
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When is the Patriotic Alliance (a little too on the nose for a name, I think) due to actually begin operation?0
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Their problem is that they still have substantial seat numbers in the Midlands, where their polling is horrendously bad, so headline losses could be grim. It doesn't matter if they get hammered in Devon or Hampshire, as they don't have much left there. Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Notts. And Derbyshire are a different matter.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If UKIP do tank badly, that flatters all other parties. Plus your local Labour councillor probably isn't Corbyn. Plus Labour still has a decent ground operation. I can see them holding up okay in the circumstances (nowhere near where they need to be, but given the dire position).Andy_JS said:50 Labour losses seems a bit on the low side, as does their share of the vote holding at 29% compared to 4 years ago.
Their real test is mayoral. West Mids would be a big coup for Blues.
I'd expect about 100 losses in England and 150 in Scotland.0 -
All the fault of the MSM denigrating Corbyn's leadership on a daily basis.Sean_F said:
Their problem is that they still have substantial seat numbers in the Midlands, where their polling is horrendously bad, so headline losses could be grim. It doesn't matter if they get hammered in Devon or Hampshire, as they don't have to lee there. Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Notts. And Derbyshire are a different matter.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If UKIP do tank badly, that flatters all other parties. Plus your local Labour councillor probably isn't Corbyn. Plus Labour still has a decent ground operation. I can see them holding up okay in the circumstances (nowhere near where they need to be, but given the dire position).Andy_JS said:50 Labour losses seems a bit on the low side, as does their share of the vote holding at 29% compared to 4 years ago.
Their real test is mayoral. West Mids would be a big coup for Blues.
I'd expect about 100 losses in England and 150 in Scotland.0 -
Sadly trueSunil_Prasannan said:HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Argentina invaded theIshmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:MalvinasFalklands and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Argentine flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
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You jest, but fortunately we were able to stop the EU before they came for our colloquialisms and aphorisms - I'll be damned if I should learn to walk a kilometer in someone else's shoes.RobD said:
kilometer wide and centimeter deep doesn't have the same ring to it... another win for imperial units.kle4 said:
Could be true, but better a mile wide than half a yard all the same.RobD said:
"Mile wide and inch deep" incoming.Black_Rook said:Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:
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We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands wasOmnium said:
The RN couldn't even get close to crippling a big town in Spain.HYUFD said:
In the unlikely event of a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar that is a possible scenariomalcolmg said:UK gets ever more dire. Telegraph now speculating on who will win the war
Britain's Navy is 'far weaker' than it was during the Falklands but could still 'cripple' Spain
They'd run out of shells and missiles in a week. They looked great in the Falklands because the territory and the enemy was so sparse.
I'm not sure we'd want to Nuke Spain if they stole Gibraltar, but that would certainly be our only plausible military option. Diplomacy otherwise - deploy the Boris!0 -
They'll still have Durham!Sean_F said:
Their problem is that they still have substantial seat numbers in the Midlands, where their polling is horrendously bad, so headline losses could be grim. It doesn't matter if they get hammered in Devon or Hampshire, as they don't have much left there. Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Notts. And Derbyshire are a different matter.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If UKIP do tank badly, that flatters all other parties. Plus your local Labour councillor probably isn't Corbyn. Plus Labour still has a decent ground operation. I can see them holding up okay in the circumstances (nowhere near where they need to be, but given the dire position).Andy_JS said:50 Labour losses seems a bit on the low side, as does their share of the vote holding at 29% compared to 4 years ago.
Their real test is mayoral. West Mids would be a big coup for Blues.
I'd expect about 100 losses in England and 150 in Scotland.0 -
As opposed to those nasty Rebel Alliance unitsRobD said:
kilometer wide and centimeter deep doesn't have the same ring to it... another win for imperial units.kle4 said:
Could be true, but better a mile wide than half a yard all the same.RobD said:
"Mile wide and inch deep" incoming.Black_Rook said:Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:
twitter.com/PollingDigest/status/848615666534023168
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The French Polling Commission (Commission des Sondages) is saying that Sputnik News were naughty to report a social media survey by Russian firm Brand Analytics as if it were a good clean poll. The allegedly offending article is here. The survey, or poll, gives
Fillon 23.6 %
Macron 23.1%
Le Pen 20.9 %
Mélenchon 13.5 %
Hamon 11.9 %
Dupont-Aignan 3.1%
It doesn't matter much of a crap that Sputnik News did an article in which they led on the Brand Analytics poll and gave less space to surveys by the other three firms whose polls they're following: Ipsos, Opinionway, and Ifop.
What does matter is that the meme of Russian interference is being spread far and wide by western news agencies. (Please don't read this wrong. I believe there is Russian interference.)0 -
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:0 -
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Splitters!Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:0 -
So how would our arsenal compare to that of the US at the start of their biggest push in VietNam?HYUFD said:
We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands wasOmnium said:
The RN couldn't even get close to crippling a big town in Spain.HYUFD said:
In the unlikely event of a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar that is a possible scenariomalcolmg said:UK gets ever more dire. Telegraph now speculating on who will win the war
Britain's Navy is 'far weaker' than it was during the Falklands but could still 'cripple' Spain
They'd run out of shells and missiles in a week. They looked great in the Falklands because the territory and the enemy was so sparse.
I'm not sure we'd want to Nuke Spain if they stole Gibraltar, but that would certainly be our only plausible military option. Diplomacy otherwise - deploy the Boris!
To make the smallest dent in Spain we'd need to mobilise everyone.
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Are we really talking about exterminating a medium sized Spanish city to give Gibraltar the freedom to act as a tax haven to the detriment of the country it is a pimple on the back of, and so that those running that territory can insult their much larger neighbour with impunity?HYUFD said:
We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was
Mrs Thatcher waited until there was an actual invasion before sending her taskforce.0 -
Sooner or later the cake was always going to Leave the oven.Torby_Fennel said:
Yes, I'm not keen on half baked things.Luckyguy1983 said:
Ignoring the result of the first oven removal and having another oven removal to get the answer you prefer eh?
The first oven removal was more akin to trying to count the votes before close of poll though - or maybe it was just that my oven is a bit unreliable.
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Would Dan Snow lead a flotilla of little boats to rescue the ex-pats in the costas, or leave the wrinkled oldies to their fate?HYUFD said:
We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands wasOmnium said:
The RN couldn't even get close to crippling a big town in Spain.HYUFD said:
In the unlikely event of a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar that is a possible scenariomalcolmg said:UK gets ever more dire. Telegraph now speculating on who will win the war
Britain's Navy is 'far weaker' than it was during the Falklands but could still 'cripple' Spain
They'd run out of shells and missiles in a week. They looked great in the Falklands because the territory and the enemy was so sparse.
I'm not sure we'd want to Nuke Spain if they stole Gibraltar, but that would certainly be our only plausible military option. Diplomacy otherwise - deploy the Boris!0 -
The Jezziah's support is approximately an inch wide, but perhaps not a mile deep.RobD said:
"Mile wide and inch deep" incoming.Black_Rook said:Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:
twitter.com/PollingDigest/status/848615666534023168
Like Sir Humphrey Appleby with John Halstead, he is lulling them into a true sense of security.kle4 said:
Jeremy has them right where he wants them - he knows people are most likely to make a mistake when overconfident, so he has made them supremely confident. Clever man.Black_Rook said:Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:
https://twitter.com/PollingDigest/status/848615666534023168
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The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:0 -
Reminder: there will not be a war over Gibraltar.0
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Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?GeoffM said:
The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:0 -
Pincer movement with the Portuguese.kle4 said:
Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?GeoffM said:
The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said: 0 -
We could. What part of this war concept are you struggling to understand?williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:0 -
Proportionality. We didn't bomb the Argentinian mainland over the Falklands.Philip_Thompson said:
We could. What part of this war concept are you struggling to understand?williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:0 -
As long as you are not having your cake and eating it. That would be bad.Torby_Fennel said:
Yes, I'm not keen on half baked things.
The first oven removal was more akin to trying to count the votes before close of poll though - or maybe it was just that my oven is a bit unreliable.
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Don't pour cold water on this. I'm starting to live the dream.Black_Rook said:Reminder: there will not be a war over Gibraltar.
I've already started sharpening my machete. Many of them will fall to my blade.
I call it "Dave" as it is a lone wolf killer, local, and not religious in any way..0 -
No we wouldn't. There are no jungles in Spain. As divers people have proved over the years, it's actually an easy country to invade. However, since even Rajoy is not crazy enough to spark an actual war it doesn't matter in practice. It's classic distraction therapy from the real intractable problems (by all sides).Omnium said:
So how would our arsenal compare to that of the US at the start of their biggest push in VietNam?HYUFD said:
We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands wasOmnium said:
The RN couldn't even get close to crippling a big town in Spain.HYUFD said:
In the unlikely event of a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar that is a possible scenariomalcolmg said:UK gets ever more dire. Telegraph now speculating on who will win the war
Britain's Navy is 'far weaker' than it was during the Falklands but could still 'cripple' Spain
They'd run out of shells and missiles in a week. They looked great in the Falklands because the territory and the enemy was so sparse.
I'm not sure we'd want to Nuke Spain if they stole Gibraltar, but that would certainly be our only plausible military option. Diplomacy otherwise - deploy the Boris!
To make the smallest dent in Spain we'd need to mobilise everyone.
Callaghan on the other hand threatened Argentina with a nuclear submarine before their task force sailed. Curiously, this meant that 1,000 people were not killed, but he lost the next election. Justin will tell you that Thatcher's way worked better in political terms (although I personally see no evidence it made any significant difference to the actual result - only the scale of it).FF43 said:
Are we really talking about exterminating a medium sized Spanish city to give Gibraltar the freedom to act as a tax haven to the detriment of the country it is a pimple on the back of, and so that those running that territory can insult their much larger neighbour with impunity?HYUFD said:
We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was
Mrs Thatcher waited until there was an actual invasion before sending her taskforce.0 -
Well I never... Who would have predicted this?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/8486279044728545320 -
Dear Lord..
I don't pay any attention to the news for 48 hrs and some poor brown kid gets all but killed in Croydon and Michael,Howard starts agitating for another Peninsular War.
Another day inthe chimpanzee houseBrexit Britian0 -
You'd be more like the Falkland Islands Defence Force.GeoffM said:
Don't pour cold water on this. I'm starting to live the dream.Black_Rook said:Reminder: there will not be a war over Gibraltar.
I've already started sharpening my machete. Many of them will fall to my blade.
I call it "Dave" as it is a lone wolf killer, local, and not religious in any way..0 -
Yes, a good idea. A siege of Madrid would provoke memories of 1936-8.kle4 said:
Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?GeoffM said:
The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:0 -
We didn't need to. If we needed to we could have.williamglenn said:
Proportionality. We didn't bomb the Argentinian mainland over the Falklands.Philip_Thompson said:
We could. What part of this war concept are you struggling to understand?williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:0 -
In the unlikely event the Spanish armed forces invaded Gibraltar of course all means would be used to defend itwilliamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:0 -
Unlike in Vietnam we would have the native population of Gibraltar on our sideOmnium said:
So how would our arsenal compare to that of the US at the start of their biggest push in VietNam?HYUFD said:
We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands wasOmnium said:
The RN couldn't even get close to crippling a big town in Spain.HYUFD said:
In the unlikely event of a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar that is a possible scenariomalcolmg said:UK gets ever more dire. Telegraph now speculating on who will win the war
Britain's Navy is 'far weaker' than it was during the Falklands but could still 'cripple' Spain
They'd run out of shells and missiles in a week. They looked great in the Falklands because the territory and the enemy was so sparse.
I'm not sure we'd want to Nuke Spain if they stole Gibraltar, but that would certainly be our only plausible military option. Diplomacy otherwise - deploy the Boris!
To make the smallest dent in Spain we'd need to mobilise everyone.0 -
Every news organisation seems to have come over all 'The Day Today.'
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That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.kle4 said:
Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?GeoffM said:
The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:0 -
He still can't stand Merkel though but even May said she wanted a strong EUwilliamglenn said:Well I never... Who would have predicted this?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/8486279044728545320 -
Heh, I posted that earlier today...YossariansChild said:Every news organisation seems to have come over all 'The Day Today.'
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IEwBrJzhlg
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I'm pretty sure a large proportion of UK expats in Spain are deep cover agents for M.I.5. felix has gone curiously quiet...GeoffM said:
That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.kle4 said:
Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?GeoffM said:
The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:0 -
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And the fiery Moors and Barbary Corsairs.RobD said:
Pincer movement with the Portuguese.kle4 said:
Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?GeoffM said:
The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:0 -
Can't think why...Casino_Royale said:some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
SeanT said:The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.
WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.0 -
Yep, the Far Right is getting increasingly unhinged. They need a war soon to promote a new and extensive market in flag and buntingFF43 said:
Are we really talking about exterminating a medium sized Spanish city to give Gibraltar the freedom to act as a tax haven to the detriment of the country it is a pimple on the back of, and so that those running that territory can insult their much larger neighbour with impunity?HYUFD said:
We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was
Mrs Thatcher waited until there was an actual invasion before sending her taskforce.productionimportation from China, and also natch to lubricate their Mahoosive egos. The 1st Political Betting Keyboard Warrior regiment will be in the vanguard of the fighting tweeting behind their heroine General Hopkins from the comfort of their sofas.0 -
Do you know the race of the perpetrators in the Croydon attack?Monksfield said:Dear Lord..
I don't pay any attention to the news for 48 hrs and some poor brown kid gets all but killed in Croydon and Michael,Howard starts agitating for another Peninsular War.
Another day inthe chimpanzee houseBrexit Britian0 -
Oh dear. I hope we haven't soiled our patch with this GCHQ wire-tapping thing. I think Donald has spurned us and opted instead for the continentals. Back of the queue for our US trade deal?williamglenn said:Well I never... Who would have predicted this?
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It was only an actual invasion I was referring toFF43 said:
Are we really talking about exterminating a medium sized Spanish city to give Gibraltar the freedom to act as a tax haven to the detriment of the country it is a pimple on the back of, and so that those running that territory can insult their much larger neighbour with impunity?HYUFD said:
We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was
Mrs Thatcher waited until there was an actual invasion before sending her taskforce.0 -
You going to lead the line then Sean?SeanT said:
I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuffPhilip_Thompson said:
We didn't need to. If we needed to we could have.williamglenn said:
Proportionality. We didn't bomb the Argentinian mainland over the Falklands.Philip_Thompson said:
hwilliamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:
We could. What part of this war concept are you struggling to understand?
The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.
WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.
Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?0 -
felix has been assigned his mission now,Ishmael_Z said:
I'm pretty sure a large proportion of UK expats in Spain are deep cover agents for M.I.5. felix has gone curiously quiet...GeoffM said:
That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.kle4 said:
Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?GeoffM said:
The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:
All further contact from him will be in code.
"Tonight the generous sparrow walks on one leg" *wink* *wink*0 -
It's not relevant to what I said, is it?tlg86 said:
Do you know the race of the perpetrators in the Croydon attack?Monksfield said:Dear Lord..
I don't pay any attention to the news for 48 hrs and some poor brown kid gets all but killed in Croydon and Michael,Howard starts agitating for another Peninsular War.
Another day inthe chimpanzee houseBrexit Britian0 -
LOL. You guys really are clutching at straws aren't you.Stark_Dawning said:
Oh dear. I hope we haven't soiled our patch with this GCHQ wire-tapping thing. I think Donald has spurned us and opted instead for the continentals. Back of the queue for our US trade deal?williamglenn said:Well I never... Who would have predicted this?
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War correspondent, perhaps?Bromptonaut said:
You going to lead the line then Sean?SeanT said:
I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuffPhilip_Thompson said:
We didn't need to. If we needed to we could have.williamglenn said:
Proportionality. We didn't bomb the Argentinian mainland over the Falklands.Philip_Thompson said:
hwilliamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:
We could. What part of this war concept are you struggling to understand?
The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.
WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.
Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum? 0 -
We obviously don't know yet, but if the perpetrators don't turn out to be white, you can bet that the criticism won't be quite so loud.Monksfield said:
It's not relevant to what I said, is it?tlg86 said:
Do you know the race of the perpetrators in the Croydon attack?Monksfield said:Dear Lord..
I don't pay any attention to the news for 48 hrs and some poor brown kid gets all but killed in Croydon and Michael,Howard starts agitating for another Peninsular War.
Another day inthe chimpanzee houseBrexit Britian0 -
Donald Trump is chiefly noteworthy for saying what he thinks his core audience wants to hear. In that respect if no other, he is the consummate politician. In this case, an FT journalist hears nice things about a pet project. The communication issue with most of what he says is that his target audience is not normally the people who are used to being addressed or indeed listened to. The problem is that most of what he says is badly thought through, unworkable or simply wrong (cf. his trade figures in the article, out by 60%).williamglenn said:Well I never... Who would have predicted this?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/848627904472854532
And yet somehow I still have this nagging question - how different would Hilary Clinton have been in practice?0 -
It will restructure in a few years.HYUFD said:
He still can't stand Merkel though but even May said she wanted a strong EUwilliamglenn said:Well I never... Who would have predicted this?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/848627904472854532
The EZ-EU-EFTA model has one strand too many.0 -
You going to lead the "resistance" against Brexit, Bromptonaut?Bromptonaut said:
You going to lead the line then Sean?SeanT said:
I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuffPhilip_Thompson said:
We didn't need to. If we needed to we could have.williamglenn said:
Proportionality. We didn't bomb the Argentinian mainland over the Falklands.Philip_Thompson said:
hwilliamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:
We could. What part of this war concept are you struggling to understand?
The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.
WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.
Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?0 -
Apols I must have missed that. Hope you don't mind the repeat.RobD said:
Heh, I posted that earlier today...YossariansChild said:Every news organisation seems to have come over all 'The Day Today.'
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IEwBrJzhlg
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Assuming Portugal can be kept neutral, the possibility of french reinforcements across the Pyrenees has to be a concern, a quick march and raid may be necessary before pulling back, that'll give time for the Channel Island naval units to land on the Basque Coast to keep them off guard.GeoffM said:
That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.kle4 said:
Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?GeoffM said:
The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:
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Hah, no apologies necessary. Always makes me laugh seeing it.YossariansChild said:
Apols I must have missed that. Hope you don't mind the repeat.RobD said:
Heh, I posted that earlier today...YossariansChild said:Every news organisation seems to have come over all 'The Day Today.'
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IEwBrJzhlg
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'Allo, 'allo. Zis is PB Nighthawks!GeoffM said:
felix has been assigned his mission now,Ishmael_Z said:
I'm pretty sure a large proportion of UK expats in Spain are deep cover agents for M.I.5. felix has gone curiously quiet...GeoffM said:
That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.kle4 said:
Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?GeoffM said:
The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding eer for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said:
All further contact from him will be in code.
"Tonight the generous sparrow walks on one leg" *wink* *wink*0 -
Honestly thought it was a palp until I saw it on Betfair. Then i had to double check Stade were putting out a full side.dixiedean said:
Good spot though. Considerably more profitable than my Everton at 9/2!Alistair said:Stade win, I suffer regret at making 25% of what i ould have.
Repairing my USA election disaster one bet at a time.0 -
We'll just invoke the Treaty of Troyes and subsume France's military.kle4 said:
Assuming Portugal can be kept neutral, the possibility of french reinforcements across the Pyrenees has to be a concern, a quick march and raid may be necessary before pulling back, that'll give time for the Channel Island naval units to land on the Basque Coast to keep them off guard.GeoffM said:
That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.kle4 said:
Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?GeoffM said:
The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.williamglenn said:
Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!HYUFD said:
IndeedCasino_Royale said:
Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.HYUFD said:
There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!Ishmael_Z said:
And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.Mortimer said:
As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.SouthamObserver said:
Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.calum said: 0 -
Sunil_Prasannan said:
You going to lead the "resistance" against Brexit, Bromptonaut?
Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
Daddy, what did you do in the Brexit War?
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Has he been rendered Stateless? Lady Nugent won't be happy
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Say what you like about remainers, no one would accuse them of a lack of trollability.0
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He will go to the front line and quote his famous passage about the Sony Walkman at the Spaniards until they run for their very lives, not stopping until their feet are actually in the Bay of Biscay.Bromptonaut said:
You going to lead the line then Sean?SeanT said:
I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuff
The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.
WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.
Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
In reserve will be Harriet Harman waving her latest gender studies training manual. The third line will be Nick Clegg defending tuition fees.
I'm already feeling sorry for the Spanish.0 -
I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.
We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.
I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.0 -
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I suspect Clegg of being a foreign agent. His wife is one of them. Keep it all from him.ydoethur said:
He will go to the front line and quote his famous passage about the Sony Walkman at the Spaniards until they run for their very lives, not stopping until their feet are actually in the Bay of Biscay.Bromptonaut said:
You going to lead the line then Sean?SeanT said:
I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuff
The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.
WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.
Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
In reserve will be Harriet Harman waving her latest gender studies training manual. The third line will be Nick Clegg defending tuition fees.
I'm already feeling sorry for the Spanish.
Of course, the Spanish did invent guerilla warfare (hence the name) and Old Boney lost 200 000 men there. It could prove intractable.
The only way to be sure is nuke the planet from orbit.0 -
Just to be even handed, good riddance....isam said:Has he been rendered Stateless? Lady Nugent won't be happy
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Given what you have said previously, it wasn't too unbelievablewilliamglenn said: 0 -
Im sure the new Empire loyalist Party will help you sleep at night , mind you looking at the posts of the buffoons on here , perhaps not .TheScreamingEagles said:I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.
We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.
I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.0 -
Marbs will be in the Empire before you know it.TheScreamingEagles said:I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.
We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.
I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.0 -
'The Patriotic Alliance (PA) is a South African political party, formed in November 2013 by, among others, one-time convicted bank robber turned motivational speaker, author and businessman Gayton McKenzie and former convicted fraudster turned businessman and socialite Kenny Kunene.'Sean_F said:
It does sound like an African liberation movement.kle4 said:When is the Patriotic Alliance (a little too on the nose for a name, I think) due to actually begin operation?
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In response to that, I leave you with this, which I use when teaching on the Cuban Missile Crisis:TheScreamingEagles said:I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.
We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.
I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.
https://youtu.be/yrbv40ENU_o
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There are also 125,000 Spaniards in the UK and we are not going to sacrifice Gibraltar to save Benidorm!TheScreamingEagles said:I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.
We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.
I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.0 -
Portugal already hosts the"home" games for Gib in UEFA. We've spent decades cementing that relationship. They'll stay officially neutral but in a Chile type of way.kle4 said:
Assuming Portugal can be kept neutral, the possibility of french reinforcements across the Pyrenees has to be a concern, a quick march and raid may be necessary before pulling back, that'll give time for the Channel Island naval units to land on the Basque Coast to keep them off guard.GeoffM said:
That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.
Madrid is too much a Road To Moscow scenario. The Royal Gibraltar Regiment takes Seville. Andalusia falls. All of the Costas are full of expats who will welcome liberation anyway so there's no need to secure the east flank in any numbers. In fact in places like Duquesa they won't even notice any difference except a dark blue passort next time they renew.
North of Seville the fighting will get harder, which is why a simultaneous coup in Andorra is necessary to disrupt the mountain crossing and open another front.0 -
A silly overreaction. No, we do need to show we are prepared for such a final outcome though, so the only option is to open hostilities by nuking one of our own cities to show how serious we are, like Blackpool.foxinsoxuk said:
I suspect Clegg of being a foreign agent. His wife is one of them. Keep it all from him.ydoethur said:
He will go to the front line and quote his famous passage about the Sony Walkman at the Spaniards until they run for their very lives, not stopping until their feet are actually in the Bay of Biscay.Bromptonaut said:
You going to lead the line then Sean?SeanT said:
I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuff
The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.
WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.
Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
In reserve will be Harriet Harman waving her latest gender studies training manual. The third line will be Nick Clegg defending tuition fees.
I'm already feeling sorry for the Spanish.
Of course, the Spanish did invent guerilla warfare (hence the name) and Old Boney lost 200 000 men there. It could prove intractable.
The only way to be sure is nuke the planet from orbit.0 -
I'm a huge fan of the British Empire, without it I wouldn't be British nor living in this country.chestnut said:
Marbs will be in the Empire before you know it.TheScreamingEagles said:I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.
We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.
I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.
Huzzah for The Empire.0 -
Unfortunately it comes as little surprise this attack took place in croydon....A few year old but I doubt things have improved much...
The Croydon postcode CR0 was found to have the highest number of crimes reported last year, with 5,000 more than any other postal area.
The south London suburb was the scene of some of the most severe rioting last summer. During 2011, 2,081 burglaries, 3,258 violent crimes and 8,316 instances of anti-social behaviour were reported in the CR0 postcode district.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9106129/Britains-crime-hot-spots-revealed.html0 -
To sum up the conclusions of the debate on here the hard Brexiteer line will lead to WW3 mostly restricted to the Iberian Peninsula and the Falklands and the Scottish War Of Independence 2019-2021 .0
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The easiest way to beat Spain is not with a navy, or a bombardment, or even 300,000 pensioner fifth columnists.
No. We just offer a Free Trade deal to Catalonia.
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Who liberated Spain from Napoleon's clutches during the Peninsular War?TheScreamingEagles said:I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.
We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.
I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.
The Spaniards should be eternally grateful to us!
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Are you absolutely sure you noticed the part where actual debate turned to fake debate? It can be hard to tell with the serious sometimes.MarkSenior said:To sum up the conclusions of the debate
(In part, because the sensible points were laid out very clearly previously, in terms of what is actually being said and how much overreaction there has been)
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On topic:
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/848542891496624128
plugged into electoral calculus gives:
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=31&LAB=29&LIB=22&UKIP=10&Green=2&NewLAB=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVUKIP=&TVGreen=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2015
Tories 40 short of a majority, LDs on 40 seats.
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My limited experience of croydon is that crime isn't limited to particular group, rather the town has gone down the shitter as inner city London has moved there.SeanT said:
Someone I know from Croydon says the crime happened in the chavvviest white part of Croydon, so was likely a bunch of drunken white thugs. I bow to that superior wisdom.FrancisUrquhart said:Unfortunately it comes as little surprise this attack took place in croydon....A few year old but I doubt things have improved much...
The Croydon postcode CR0 was found to have the highest number of crimes reported last year, with 5,000 more than any other postal area.
The south London suburb was the scene of some of the most severe rioting last summer. During 2011, 2,081 burglaries, 3,258 violent crimes and 8,316 instances of anti-social behaviour were reported in the CR0 postcode district.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9106129/Britains-crime-hot-spots-revealed.html
It is nonetheless curious that the names or IDs of the assailants have not been released, in any way shape or form, despite arrests. Perhaps the cops are just trying to calm things.0 -
https://order-order.com/2017/04/02/miriam-two-sides-to-gibraltar/foxinsoxuk said:
I suspect Clegg of being a foreign agent. His wife is one of them. Keep it all from him.ydoethur said:
He will go to the front line and quote his famous passage about the Sony Walkman at the Spaniards until they run for their very lives, not stopping until their feet are actually in the Bay of Biscay.Bromptonaut said:
You going to lead the line then Sean?SeanT said:
I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuff
The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.
WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.
Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
In reserve will be Harriet Harman waving her latest gender studies training manual. The third line will be Nick Clegg defending tuition fees.
I'm already feeling sorry for the Spanish.
Of course, the Spanish did invent guerilla warfare (hence the name) and Old Boney lost 200 000 men there. It could prove intractable.
The only way to be sure is nuke the planet from orbit.
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Not sure if this got mentioned one here at the time, but I see the CP6 didn't prosecute the killing in Harlow as a hate crime:SeanT said:
Someone I know from Croydon says the crime happened in the chavvviest white part of Croydon, so was likely a bunch of drunken white thugs. I bow to that superior wisdom.FrancisUrquhart said:Unfortunately it comes as little surprise this attack took place in croydon....A few year old but I doubt things have improved much...
The Croydon postcode CR0 was found to have the highest number of crimes reported last year, with 5,000 more than any other postal area.
The south London suburb was the scene of some of the most severe rioting last summer. During 2011, 2,081 burglaries, 3,258 violent crimes and 8,316 instances of anti-social behaviour were reported in the CR0 postcode district.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9106129/Britains-crime-hot-spots-revealed.html
It is nonetheless curious that the names or IDs of the assailants have not been released, in any way shape or form, despite arrests. Perhaps the cops are just trying to calm things.
http://tinyurl.com/hfxlc9t
Incidentally, whoever perpetrated this vile crime in Croydon should be banged up for good.0 -
And England..oops..the UK will win all of them.MarkSenior said:To sum up the conclusions of the debate on here the hard Brexiteer line will lead to WW3 mostly restricted to the Iberian Peninsula and the Falklands and the Scottish War Of Independence 2019-2021 .
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