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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,063
    it might be best if Labour get absolutely shellacked in these local elections and the elections in 2018

    Do people really get shellacked these days? I think people get hammered or maramalised, but shellacking seems very rare.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005

    Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:

    twitter.com/PollingDigest/status/848615666534023168

    "Mile wide and inch deep" incoming.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,063

    Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:

    https://twitter.com/PollingDigest/status/848615666534023168

    Jeremy has them right where he wants them - he knows people are most likely to make a mistake when overconfident, so he has made them supremely confident. Clever man.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,063
    RobD said:

    Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:

    twitter.com/PollingDigest/status/848615666534023168

    "Mile wide and inch deep" incoming.
    Could be true, but better a mile wide than half a yard all the same.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,033
    Alistair said:

    Stade win, I suffer regret at making 25% of what i ould have.

    Good spot though. Considerably more profitable than my Everton at 9/2!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:

    twitter.com/PollingDigest/status/848615666534023168

    "Mile wide and inch deep" incoming.
    Could be true, but better a mile wide than half a yard all the same.
    kilometer wide and centimeter deep doesn't have the same ring to it... another win for imperial units. :smiley:
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,063
    When is the Patriotic Alliance (a little too on the nose for a name, I think) due to actually begin operation?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005
    edited April 2017

    Andy_JS said:

    50 Labour losses seems a bit on the low side, as does their share of the vote holding at 29% compared to 4 years ago.

    If UKIP do tank badly, that flatters all other parties. Plus your local Labour councillor probably isn't Corbyn. Plus Labour still has a decent ground operation. I can see them holding up okay in the circumstances (nowhere near where they need to be, but given the dire position).

    Their real test is mayoral. West Mids would be a big coup for Blues.
    Their problem is that they still have substantial seat numbers in the Midlands, where their polling is horrendously bad, so headline losses could be grim. It doesn't matter if they get hammered in Devon or Hampshire, as they don't have much left there. Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Notts. And Derbyshire are a different matter.

    I'd expect about 100 losses in England and 150 in Scotland.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,684
    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    50 Labour losses seems a bit on the low side, as does their share of the vote holding at 29% compared to 4 years ago.

    If UKIP do tank badly, that flatters all other parties. Plus your local Labour councillor probably isn't Corbyn. Plus Labour still has a decent ground operation. I can see them holding up okay in the circumstances (nowhere near where they need to be, but given the dire position).

    Their real test is mayoral. West Mids would be a big coup for Blues.
    Their problem is that they still have substantial seat numbers in the Midlands, where their polling is horrendously bad, so headline losses could be grim. It doesn't matter if they get hammered in Devon or Hampshire, as they don't have to lee there. Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Notts. And Derbyshire are a different matter.

    I'd expect about 100 losses in England and 150 in Scotland.
    All the fault of the MSM denigrating Corbyn's leadership on a daily basis.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,185

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Argentina invaded the Malvinas Falklands and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Argentine flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    :innocent:
    Sadly true
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,063
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:

    twitter.com/PollingDigest/status/848615666534023168

    "Mile wide and inch deep" incoming.
    Could be true, but better a mile wide than half a yard all the same.
    kilometer wide and centimeter deep doesn't have the same ring to it... another win for imperial units. :smiley:
    You jest, but fortunately we were able to stop the EU before they came for our colloquialisms and aphorisms - I'll be damned if I should learn to walk a kilometer in someone else's shoes.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005
    kle4 said:

    When is the Patriotic Alliance (a little too on the nose for a name, I think) due to actually begin operation?

    It does sound like an African liberation movement.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,185
    edited April 2017
    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    UK gets ever more dire. Telegraph now speculating on who will win the war
    Britain's Navy is 'far weaker' than it was during the Falklands but could still 'cripple' Spain

    In the unlikely event of a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar that is a possible scenario
    The RN couldn't even get close to crippling a big town in Spain.

    They'd run out of shells and missiles in a week. They looked great in the Falklands because the territory and the enemy was so sparse.

    I'm not sure we'd want to Nuke Spain if they stole Gibraltar, but that would certainly be our only plausible military option. Diplomacy otherwise - deploy the Boris!
    We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,063
    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    50 Labour losses seems a bit on the low side, as does their share of the vote holding at 29% compared to 4 years ago.

    If UKIP do tank badly, that flatters all other parties. Plus your local Labour councillor probably isn't Corbyn. Plus Labour still has a decent ground operation. I can see them holding up okay in the circumstances (nowhere near where they need to be, but given the dire position).

    Their real test is mayoral. West Mids would be a big coup for Blues.
    Their problem is that they still have substantial seat numbers in the Midlands, where their polling is horrendously bad, so headline losses could be grim. It doesn't matter if they get hammered in Devon or Hampshire, as they don't have much left there. Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Notts. And Derbyshire are a different matter.

    I'd expect about 100 losses in England and 150 in Scotland.
    They'll still have Durham!
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,468
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:

    twitter.com/PollingDigest/status/848615666534023168

    "Mile wide and inch deep" incoming.
    Could be true, but better a mile wide than half a yard all the same.
    kilometer wide and centimeter deep doesn't have the same ring to it... another win for imperial units. :smiley:
    As opposed to those nasty Rebel Alliance units :)
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited April 2017
    The French Polling Commission (Commission des Sondages) is saying that Sputnik News were naughty to report a social media survey by Russian firm Brand Analytics as if it were a good clean poll. The allegedly offending article is here. The survey, or poll, gives

    Fillon 23.6 %
    Macron 23.1%
    Le Pen 20.9 %
    Mélenchon 13.5 %
    Hamon 11.9 %
    Dupont-Aignan 3.1%

    It doesn't matter much of a crap that Sputnik News did an article in which they led on the Brand Analytics poll and gave less space to surveys by the other three firms whose polls they're following: Ipsos, Opinionway, and Ifop.

    What does matter is that the meme of Russian interference is being spread far and wide by western news agencies. (Please don't read this wrong. I believe there is Russian interference.)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,185

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,468
    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    When is the Patriotic Alliance (a little too on the nose for a name, I think) due to actually begin operation?

    It does sound like an African liberation movement.
    Alliance of Patriots.
    Popular Alliance of Patriots
    Patriotic People's Alliance :lol:
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    When is the Patriotic Alliance (a little too on the nose for a name, I think) due to actually begin operation?

    It does sound like an African liberation movement.
    Alliance of Patriots.
    Popular Alliance of Patriots
    Patriotic People's Alliance :lol:
    Splitters!
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,157
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,806
    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    UK gets ever more dire. Telegraph now speculating on who will win the war
    Britain's Navy is 'far weaker' than it was during the Falklands but could still 'cripple' Spain

    In the unlikely event of a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar that is a possible scenario
    The RN couldn't even get close to crippling a big town in Spain.

    They'd run out of shells and missiles in a week. They looked great in the Falklands because the territory and the enemy was so sparse.

    I'm not sure we'd want to Nuke Spain if they stole Gibraltar, but that would certainly be our only plausible military option. Diplomacy otherwise - deploy the Boris!
    We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was
    So how would our arsenal compare to that of the US at the start of their biggest push in VietNam?

    To make the smallest dent in Spain we'd need to mobilise everyone.

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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,806
    HYUFD said:


    We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was

    Are we really talking about exterminating a medium sized Spanish city to give Gibraltar the freedom to act as a tax haven to the detriment of the country it is a pimple on the back of, and so that those running that territory can insult their much larger neighbour with impunity?

    Mrs Thatcher waited until there was an actual invasion before sending her taskforce.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133



    Ignoring the result of the first oven removal and having another oven removal to get the answer you prefer eh?

    Yes, I'm not keen on half baked things. :D

    The first oven removal was more akin to trying to count the votes before close of poll though - or maybe it was just that my oven is a bit unreliable. ;)

    Sooner or later the cake was always going to Leave the oven.
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    UK gets ever more dire. Telegraph now speculating on who will win the war
    Britain's Navy is 'far weaker' than it was during the Falklands but could still 'cripple' Spain

    In the unlikely event of a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar that is a possible scenario
    The RN couldn't even get close to crippling a big town in Spain.

    They'd run out of shells and missiles in a week. They looked great in the Falklands because the territory and the enemy was so sparse.

    I'm not sure we'd want to Nuke Spain if they stole Gibraltar, but that would certainly be our only plausible military option. Diplomacy otherwise - deploy the Boris!
    We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was
    Would Dan Snow lead a flotilla of little boats to rescue the ex-pats in the costas, or leave the wrinkled oldies to their fate?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    @Cyan - what's the inference about that "poll" being highlighted? Is it that the Russians are trying to prevent complacency among Le Pen's supporters? Or that they are trying to persuade people that Fillon could make the second round?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,466
    RobD said:

    Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:

    twitter.com/PollingDigest/status/848615666534023168

    "Mile wide and inch deep" incoming.
    The Jezziah's support is approximately an inch wide, but perhaps not a mile deep.
    kle4 said:

    Public panic over Brexit reaches new heights:

    https://twitter.com/PollingDigest/status/848615666534023168

    Jeremy has them right where he wants them - he knows people are most likely to make a mistake when overconfident, so he has made them supremely confident. Clever man.
    Like Sir Humphrey Appleby with John Halstead, he is lulling them into a true sense of security.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Reminder: there will not be a war over Gibraltar.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,063
    edited April 2017
    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.
    Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005
    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.
    Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?
    Pincer movement with the Portuguese. :)
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    We could. What part of this war concept are you struggling to understand?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,157

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    We could. What part of this war concept are you struggling to understand?
    Proportionality. We didn't bomb the Argentinian mainland over the Falklands.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,806


    Yes, I'm not keen on half baked things. :D

    The first oven removal was more akin to trying to count the votes before close of poll though - or maybe it was just that my oven is a bit unreliable. ;)

    As long as you are not having your cake and eating it. That would be bad.

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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Reminder: there will not be a war over Gibraltar.

    Don't pour cold water on this. I'm starting to live the dream.

    I've already started sharpening my machete. Many of them will fall to my blade.
    I call it "Dave" as it is a lone wolf killer, local, and not religious in any way..
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,466
    edited April 2017
    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    UK gets ever more dire. Telegraph now speculating on who will win the war
    Britain's Navy is 'far weaker' than it was during the Falklands but could still 'cripple' Spain

    In the unlikely event of a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar that is a possible scenario
    The RN couldn't even get close to crippling a big town in Spain.

    They'd run out of shells and missiles in a week. They looked great in the Falklands because the territory and the enemy was so sparse.

    I'm not sure we'd want to Nuke Spain if they stole Gibraltar, but that would certainly be our only plausible military option. Diplomacy otherwise - deploy the Boris!
    We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was
    So how would our arsenal compare to that of the US at the start of their biggest push in VietNam?

    To make the smallest dent in Spain we'd need to mobilise everyone.

    No we wouldn't. There are no jungles in Spain. As divers people have proved over the years, it's actually an easy country to invade. However, since even Rajoy is not crazy enough to spark an actual war it doesn't matter in practice. It's classic distraction therapy from the real intractable problems (by all sides).
    FF43 said:

    HYUFD said:


    We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was

    Are we really talking about exterminating a medium sized Spanish city to give Gibraltar the freedom to act as a tax haven to the detriment of the country it is a pimple on the back of, and so that those running that territory can insult their much larger neighbour with impunity?

    Mrs Thatcher waited until there was an actual invasion before sending her taskforce.
    Callaghan on the other hand threatened Argentina with a nuclear submarine before their task force sailed. Curiously, this meant that 1,000 people were not killed, but he lost the next election. Justin will tell you that Thatcher's way worked better in political terms (although I personally see no evidence it made any significant difference to the actual result - only the scale of it).
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,157
    Well I never... Who would have predicted this?

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/848627904472854532
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    edited April 2017
    GeoffM said:

    Reminder: there will not be a war over Gibraltar.

    Don't pour cold water on this. I'm starting to live the dream.

    I've already started sharpening my machete. Many of them will fall to my blade.
    I call it "Dave" as it is a lone wolf killer, local, and not religious in any way..
    You'd be more like the Falkland Islands Defence Force.
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,237
    Dear Lord..

    I don't pay any attention to the news for 48 hrs and some poor brown kid gets all but killed in Croydon and Michael,Howard starts agitating for another Peninsular War.

    Another day in the chimpanzee house Brexit Britian
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.
    Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?
    Yes, a good idea. A siege of Madrid would provoke memories of 1936-8.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    We could. What part of this war concept are you struggling to understand?
    Proportionality. We didn't bomb the Argentinian mainland over the Falklands.
    We didn't need to. If we needed to we could have.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,185
    edited April 2017

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    In the unlikely event the Spanish armed forces invaded Gibraltar of course all means would be used to defend it
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,185
    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    UK gets ever more dire. Telegraph now speculating on who will win the war
    Britain's Navy is 'far weaker' than it was during the Falklands but could still 'cripple' Spain

    In the unlikely event of a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar that is a possible scenario
    The RN couldn't even get close to crippling a big town in Spain.

    They'd run out of shells and missiles in a week. They looked great in the Falklands because the territory and the enemy was so sparse.

    I'm not sure we'd want to Nuke Spain if they stole Gibraltar, but that would certainly be our only plausible military option. Diplomacy otherwise - deploy the Boris!
    We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was
    So how would our arsenal compare to that of the US at the start of their biggest push in VietNam?

    To make the smallest dent in Spain we'd need to mobilise everyone.

    Unlike in Vietnam we would have the native population of Gibraltar on our side
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    Every news organisation seems to have come over all 'The Day Today.'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IEwBrJzhlg
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.
    Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?
    That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,185
    edited April 2017

    Well I never... Who would have predicted this?

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/848627904472854532

    He still can't stand Merkel though but even May said she wanted a strong EU
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005
    edited April 2017

    Every news organisation seems to have come over all 'The Day Today.'

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IEwBrJzhlg

    Heh, I posted that earlier today... :p

    The stretched twig of peace is at melting point... :D
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.
    Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?
    That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.
    I'm pretty sure a large proportion of UK expats in Spain are deep cover agents for M.I.5. felix has gone curiously quiet...
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.
    Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?
    Pincer movement with the Portuguese. :)
    And the fiery Moors and Barbary Corsairs.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.

    Can't think why...
    SeanT said:

    The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.

    WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.

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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,237
    FF43 said:

    HYUFD said:


    We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was

    Are we really talking about exterminating a medium sized Spanish city to give Gibraltar the freedom to act as a tax haven to the detriment of the country it is a pimple on the back of, and so that those running that territory can insult their much larger neighbour with impunity?

    Mrs Thatcher waited until there was an actual invasion before sending her taskforce.
    Yep, the Far Right is getting increasingly unhinged. They need a war soon to promote a new and extensive market in flag and bunting production importation from China, and also natch to lubricate their Mahoosive egos. The 1st Political Betting Keyboard Warrior regiment will be in the vanguard of the fighting tweeting behind their heroine General Hopkins from the comfort of their sofas.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209

    Dear Lord..

    I don't pay any attention to the news for 48 hrs and some poor brown kid gets all but killed in Croydon and Michael,Howard starts agitating for another Peninsular War.

    Another day in the chimpanzee house Brexit Britian

    Do you know the race of the perpetrators in the Croydon attack?
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,324

    Well I never... Who would have predicted this?

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/848627904472854532

    Oh dear. I hope we haven't soiled our patch with this GCHQ wire-tapping thing. I think Donald has spurned us and opted instead for the continentals. Back of the queue for our US trade deal?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,185
    FF43 said:

    HYUFD said:


    We have 10 submarines each with Cruise missiles which could more than cripple 1 big town, we have 10 000 more troops than Spain and a larger airforce and the SAS, in the very unlikely event the Spanish did invade we could more than defend the Rock, especially as it is far closer than the Falklands was

    Are we really talking about exterminating a medium sized Spanish city to give Gibraltar the freedom to act as a tax haven to the detriment of the country it is a pimple on the back of, and so that those running that territory can insult their much larger neighbour with impunity?

    Mrs Thatcher waited until there was an actual invasion before sending her taskforce.
    It was only an actual invasion I was referring to
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    h
    We could. What part of this war concept are you struggling to understand?
    Proportionality. We didn't bomb the Argentinian mainland over the Falklands.
    We didn't need to. If we needed to we could have.
    I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuff

    The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.

    WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.

    You going to lead the line then Sean?

    Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Ishmael_Z said:

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.
    Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?
    That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.
    I'm pretty sure a large proportion of UK expats in Spain are deep cover agents for M.I.5. felix has gone curiously quiet...
    felix has been assigned his mission now,
    All further contact from him will be in code.

    "Tonight the generous sparrow walks on one leg" *wink* *wink*
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,237
    tlg86 said:

    Dear Lord..

    I don't pay any attention to the news for 48 hrs and some poor brown kid gets all but killed in Croydon and Michael,Howard starts agitating for another Peninsular War.

    Another day in the chimpanzee house Brexit Britian

    Do you know the race of the perpetrators in the Croydon attack?
    It's not relevant to what I said, is it?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,030

    Well I never... Who would have predicted this?

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/848627904472854532

    Oh dear. I hope we haven't soiled our patch with this GCHQ wire-tapping thing. I think Donald has spurned us and opted instead for the continentals. Back of the queue for our US trade deal?
    LOL. You guys really are clutching at straws aren't you.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    h
    We could. What part of this war concept are you struggling to understand?
    Proportionality. We didn't bomb the Argentinian mainland over the Falklands.
    We didn't need to. If we needed to we could have.
    I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuff

    The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.

    WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.

    You going to lead the line then Sean?

    Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
    War correspondent, perhaps? :p
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209

    tlg86 said:

    Dear Lord..

    I don't pay any attention to the news for 48 hrs and some poor brown kid gets all but killed in Croydon and Michael,Howard starts agitating for another Peninsular War.

    Another day in the chimpanzee house Brexit Britian

    Do you know the race of the perpetrators in the Croydon attack?
    It's not relevant to what I said, is it?
    We obviously don't know yet, but if the perpetrators don't turn out to be white, you can bet that the criticism won't be quite so loud.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,466

    Well I never... Who would have predicted this?

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/848627904472854532

    Donald Trump is chiefly noteworthy for saying what he thinks his core audience wants to hear. In that respect if no other, he is the consummate politician. In this case, an FT journalist hears nice things about a pet project. The communication issue with most of what he says is that his target audience is not normally the people who are used to being addressed or indeed listened to. The problem is that most of what he says is badly thought through, unworkable or simply wrong (cf. his trade figures in the article, out by 60%).

    And yet somehow I still have this nagging question - how different would Hilary Clinton have been in practice?
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    HYUFD said:

    Well I never... Who would have predicted this?

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/848627904472854532

    He still can't stand Merkel though but even May said she wanted a strong EU
    It will restructure in a few years.

    The EZ-EU-EFTA model has one strand too many.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,468

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    h
    We could. What part of this war concept are you struggling to understand?
    Proportionality. We didn't bomb the Argentinian mainland over the Falklands.
    We didn't need to. If we needed to we could have.
    I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuff

    The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.

    WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.

    You going to lead the line then Sean?

    Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
    You going to lead the "resistance" against Brexit, Bromptonaut?

    Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
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    RobD said:

    Every news organisation seems to have come over all 'The Day Today.'

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IEwBrJzhlg

    Heh, I posted that earlier today... :p

    The stretched twig of peace is at melting point... :D
    Apols I must have missed that. Hope you don't mind the repeat.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,063
    edited April 2017
    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.
    Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?
    That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.
    Assuming Portugal can be kept neutral, the possibility of french reinforcements across the Pyrenees has to be a concern, a quick march and raid may be necessary before pulling back, that'll give time for the Channel Island naval units to land on the Basque Coast to keep them off guard.

    A series of chevauchée will then weaken areas for eventual securing an ever expanding core outward from the Rock.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005

    RobD said:

    Every news organisation seems to have come over all 'The Day Today.'

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IEwBrJzhlg

    Heh, I posted that earlier today... :p

    The stretched twig of peace is at melting point... :D
    Apols I must have missed that. Hope you don't mind the repeat.
    Hah, no apologies necessary. Always makes me laugh seeing it.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,468
    GeoffM said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding eer for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.
    Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?
    That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.
    I'm pretty sure a large proportion of UK expats in Spain are deep cover agents for M.I.5. felix has gone curiously quiet...
    felix has been assigned his mission now,
    All further contact from him will be in code.

    "Tonight the generous sparrow walks on one leg" *wink* *wink*
    'Allo, 'allo. Zis is PB Nighthawks!
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited April 2017
    dixiedean said:

    Alistair said:

    Stade win, I suffer regret at making 25% of what i ould have.

    Good spot though. Considerably more profitable than my Everton at 9/2!
    Honestly thought it was a palp until I saw it on Betfair. Then i had to double check Stade were putting out a full side.

    Repairing my USA election disaster one bet at a time.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005
    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mortimer said:

    calum said:



    Michael Howard reminding everyone he is a swivel-eyed lunatic. And all because the EU has pointed out Gibraltar is a matter for the Spanish and the UK to deal with, and that as an EU member state Spain gets to say whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar.

    As the Brexit 'March' and continuing attempts to challenge Brexit showed, the real headbangers are those who want to frustrate or overturn It in spite of the will of the people.
    And, God, they do themselves no favours by their continuing descent into infantility and name-calling. Michael Howard is an astute and talented mainstream politician, not a swivel-eyed lunatic. Cameron did in substance say that brexit raised the risk of WWIII, and denying it in the face of written and video evidence is like a very small child with chocolate all over its face denying it has been at the easter eggs. And so on. It is a wonder that one pram can furnish such an inexhaustible stream of toys.
    There are clearly some Remainers on here who are so diehard in the very unlikely event that Spain invaded Gibraltar and the UK sent a taskforce to defend it, they would be waving the Spanish flag with gusto and hoping the taskforce was beaten so we could crawl back to the EU with our tails between our legs!
    Correct. And some have the audacity to call Brexiteers loons.
    Indeed
    Your immediately preceding post was about how we could use Cruise missiles to bomb Spanish towns in retaliation for the annexation of Gibraltar!
    The problem with using cruise missiles is that very little would be left for the pillaging and throat slitting that we'll be doing on our all-conquering march northwards towards Madrid.
    Surely you should cut across to Catalonia, seeking alliance with the separatists before moving on the capital?
    That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.
    Assuming Portugal can be kept neutral, the possibility of french reinforcements across the Pyrenees has to be a concern, a quick march and raid may be necessary before pulling back, that'll give time for the Channel Island naval units to land on the Basque Coast to keep them off guard.
    We'll just invoke the Treaty of Troyes and subsume France's military. ;)
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    You going to lead the "resistance" against Brexit, Bromptonaut?

    Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?


    Daddy, what did you do in the Brexit War?

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    isamisam Posts: 41,010
    Has he been rendered Stateless? Lady Nugent won't be happy

    https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/848626361719771140
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Say what you like about remainers, no one would accuse them of a lack of trollability.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,466

    SeanT said:



    I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuff

    The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.

    WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.

    You going to lead the line then Sean?

    Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
    He will go to the front line and quote his famous passage about the Sony Walkman at the Spaniards until they run for their very lives, not stopping until their feet are actually in the Bay of Biscay.

    In reserve will be Harriet Harman waving her latest gender studies training manual. The third line will be Nick Clegg defending tuition fees.

    I'm already feeling sorry for the Spanish.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Say what you like about remainers, no one would accuse them of a lack of trollability.

    You mean this discussion hasn't been entirely serious...? :o
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,624
    edited April 2017
    I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.

    We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.

    I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,010
    Brexit induced hate crime reaches Pakistan

    https://twitter.com/mailonline/status/848623826430775297
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,157
    RobD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Say what you like about remainers, no one would accuse them of a lack of trollability.

    You mean this discussion hasn't been entirely serious...? :o
    I had you going with my HS2 comparison. ;)
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    RobD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Say what you like about remainers, no one would accuse them of a lack of trollability.

    You mean this discussion hasn't been entirely serious...? :o
    Double bluff...
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2017
    ydoethur said:

    SeanT said:



    I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuff

    The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.

    WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.

    You going to lead the line then Sean?

    Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
    He will go to the front line and quote his famous passage about the Sony Walkman at the Spaniards until they run for their very lives, not stopping until their feet are actually in the Bay of Biscay.

    In reserve will be Harriet Harman waving her latest gender studies training manual. The third line will be Nick Clegg defending tuition fees.

    I'm already feeling sorry for the Spanish.
    I suspect Clegg of being a foreign agent. His wife is one of them. Keep it all from him.

    Of course, the Spanish did invent guerilla warfare (hence the name) and Old Boney lost 200 000 men there. It could prove intractable.

    The only way to be sure is nuke the planet from orbit.
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,237
    isam said:

    Has he been rendered Stateless? Lady Nugent won't be happy

    https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/848626361719771140

    Just to be even handed, good riddance....
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005

    RobD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Say what you like about remainers, no one would accuse them of a lack of trollability.

    You mean this discussion hasn't been entirely serious...? :o
    I had you going with my HS2 comparison. ;)
    Given what you have said previously, it wasn't too unbelievable :p
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.

    We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.

    I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.

    Im sure the new Empire loyalist Party will help you sleep at night , mind you looking at the posts of the buffoons on here , perhaps not .
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.

    We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.

    I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.

    Marbs will be in the Empire before you know it.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,312
    edited April 2017
    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    When is the Patriotic Alliance (a little too on the nose for a name, I think) due to actually begin operation?

    It does sound like an African liberation movement.
    'The Patriotic Alliance (PA) is a South African political party, formed in November 2013 by, among others, one-time convicted bank robber turned motivational speaker, author and businessman Gayton McKenzie and former convicted fraudster turned businessman and socialite Kenny Kunene.'

    http://tinyurl.com/kmfmx2u
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,466

    I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.

    We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.

    I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.

    In response to that, I leave you with this, which I use when teaching on the Cuban Missile Crisis:

    https://youtu.be/yrbv40ENU_o

    Good night, and have a good week everyone.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,185
    edited April 2017

    I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.

    We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.

    I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.

    There are also 125,000 Spaniards in the UK and we are not going to sacrifice Gibraltar to save Benidorm!
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited April 2017
    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:


    That's a possibility. It depends on how successful the Madrid rucksack- and car-bombing campaign has been by that stage. Capturing the southern ports will be a priority.

    Assuming Portugal can be kept neutral, the possibility of french reinforcements across the Pyrenees has to be a concern, a quick march and raid may be necessary before pulling back, that'll give time for the Channel Island naval units to land on the Basque Coast to keep them off guard.
    Portugal already hosts the"home" games for Gib in UEFA. We've spent decades cementing that relationship. They'll stay officially neutral but in a Chile type of way.

    Madrid is too much a Road To Moscow scenario. The Royal Gibraltar Regiment takes Seville. Andalusia falls. All of the Costas are full of expats who will welcome liberation anyway so there's no need to secure the east flank in any numbers. In fact in places like Duquesa they won't even notice any difference except a dark blue passort next time they renew.

    North of Seville the fighting will get harder, which is why a simultaneous coup in Andorra is necessary to disrupt the mountain crossing and open another front.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,063

    ydoethur said:

    SeanT said:



    I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuff

    The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.

    WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.

    You going to lead the line then Sean?

    Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
    He will go to the front line and quote his famous passage about the Sony Walkman at the Spaniards until they run for their very lives, not stopping until their feet are actually in the Bay of Biscay.

    In reserve will be Harriet Harman waving her latest gender studies training manual. The third line will be Nick Clegg defending tuition fees.

    I'm already feeling sorry for the Spanish.
    I suspect Clegg of being a foreign agent. His wife is one of them. Keep it all from him.

    Of course, the Spanish did invent guerilla warfare (hence the name) and Old Boney lost 200 000 men there. It could prove intractable.

    The only way to be sure is nuke the planet from orbit.
    A silly overreaction. No, we do need to show we are prepared for such a final outcome though, so the only option is to open hostilities by nuking one of our own cities to show how serious we are, like Blackpool.
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    chestnut said:

    I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.

    We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.

    I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.

    Marbs will be in the Empire before you know it.
    I'm a huge fan of the British Empire, without it I wouldn't be British nor living in this country.

    Huzzah for The Empire.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited April 2017
    Unfortunately it comes as little surprise this attack took place in croydon....A few year old but I doubt things have improved much...

    The Croydon postcode CR0 was found to have the highest number of crimes reported last year, with 5,000 more than any other postal area.

    The south London suburb was the scene of some of the most severe rioting last summer. During 2011, 2,081 burglaries, 3,258 violent crimes and 8,316 instances of anti-social behaviour were reported in the CR0 postcode district.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9106129/Britains-crime-hot-spots-revealed.html
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    To sum up the conclusions of the debate on here the hard Brexiteer line will lead to WW3 mostly restricted to the Iberian Peninsula and the Falklands and the Scottish War Of Independence 2019-2021 .
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    The easiest way to beat Spain is not with a navy, or a bombardment, or even 300,000 pensioner fifth columnists.

    No. We just offer a Free Trade deal to Catalonia.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,468

    I go to bed worried that when I wake up in the morning we'll be at war with Spain, especially as there's 300,000 Brits they could take hostage.

    We might have to sacrifice Gibraltar for their lives as well as for a good Brexit deal.

    I hope when I wake up in the morning that we're at war with France instead as that war will take as long as my morning commute, circa 40 mins.

    Who liberated Spain from Napoleon's clutches during the Peninsular War?

    The Spaniards should be eternally grateful to us!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsular_War
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,063
    edited April 2017

    To sum up the conclusions of the debate

    Are you absolutely sure you noticed the part where actual debate turned to fake debate? It can be hard to tell with the serious sometimes.

    (In part, because the sensible points were laid out very clearly previously, in terms of what is actually being said and how much overreaction there has been)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    SeanT said:

    Unfortunately it comes as little surprise this attack took place in croydon....A few year old but I doubt things have improved much...

    The Croydon postcode CR0 was found to have the highest number of crimes reported last year, with 5,000 more than any other postal area.

    The south London suburb was the scene of some of the most severe rioting last summer. During 2011, 2,081 burglaries, 3,258 violent crimes and 8,316 instances of anti-social behaviour were reported in the CR0 postcode district.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9106129/Britains-crime-hot-spots-revealed.html

    Someone I know from Croydon says the crime happened in the chavvviest white part of Croydon, so was likely a bunch of drunken white thugs. I bow to that superior wisdom.

    It is nonetheless curious that the names or IDs of the assailants have not been released, in any way shape or form, despite arrests. Perhaps the cops are just trying to calm things.
    My limited experience of croydon is that crime isn't limited to particular group, rather the town has gone down the shitter as inner city London has moved there.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,185

    ydoethur said:

    SeanT said:



    I think we came very close to special ops on the Argentine mainland: blowing up their planes on the runway and stuff

    The more I think about it, the readier I am for WAR.

    WAR. Come on, Jonny Spaniard. Let's be 'avin ya.

    You going to lead the line then Sean?

    Or just stay back in Blighty and write about it on an Internet forum?
    He will go to the front line and quote his famous passage about the Sony Walkman at the Spaniards until they run for their very lives, not stopping until their feet are actually in the Bay of Biscay.

    In reserve will be Harriet Harman waving her latest gender studies training manual. The third line will be Nick Clegg defending tuition fees.

    I'm already feeling sorry for the Spanish.
    I suspect Clegg of being a foreign agent. His wife is one of them. Keep it all from him.

    Of course, the Spanish did invent guerilla warfare (hence the name) and Old Boney lost 200 000 men there. It could prove intractable.

    The only way to be sure is nuke the planet from orbit.
    https://order-order.com/2017/04/02/miriam-two-sides-to-gibraltar/
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    edited April 2017
    SeanT said:

    Unfortunately it comes as little surprise this attack took place in croydon....A few year old but I doubt things have improved much...

    The Croydon postcode CR0 was found to have the highest number of crimes reported last year, with 5,000 more than any other postal area.

    The south London suburb was the scene of some of the most severe rioting last summer. During 2011, 2,081 burglaries, 3,258 violent crimes and 8,316 instances of anti-social behaviour were reported in the CR0 postcode district.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9106129/Britains-crime-hot-spots-revealed.html

    Someone I know from Croydon says the crime happened in the chavvviest white part of Croydon, so was likely a bunch of drunken white thugs. I bow to that superior wisdom.

    It is nonetheless curious that the names or IDs of the assailants have not been released, in any way shape or form, despite arrests. Perhaps the cops are just trying to calm things.
    Not sure if this got mentioned one here at the time, but I see the CP6 didn't prosecute the killing in Harlow as a hate crime:

    http://tinyurl.com/hfxlc9t

    Incidentally, whoever perpetrated this vile crime in Croydon should be banged up for good.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,312

    To sum up the conclusions of the debate on here the hard Brexiteer line will lead to WW3 mostly restricted to the Iberian Peninsula and the Falklands and the Scottish War Of Independence 2019-2021 .

    And England..oops..the UK will win all of them.
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